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    My '98 Ti is in heavy ride rotation lately. Yesterday on Eldridge Grade (Mt. Tam):


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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy View Post
    "its not what you know, its who you know.
    Yep. From the WTB vault, this is an original lever link (and Charlie's favorite version):

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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy View Post
    "its not what you know, its who you know.
    Or what you know how to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Or what you know how to do.

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    Nice.

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    [QUOTE=DoubleCentury;8955736]Or what you know how to do.

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    You have to be light on that brake so you don't crush your rim sidewalls!

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    With a booster plate and this amount of leverage, the source of flex becomes the brake arms themselves. One finger braking for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Or what you know how to do.

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    Is that a mix of original and your handiwork? Or, all yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy View Post
    Is that a mix of original and your handiwork? Or, all yours?
    Pretty sure arms are original, lever link and brace portions are DC specials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Pretty sure arms are original, lever link and brace portions are DC specials.
    (Fork) Brace is vintage too.

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    That's right, the Judy fork arch was a WTB product and really beefy. I made the link and booster.

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    Am I alone in thinking subpar braking is all a part of the vintage experience?

    j/k. Nice work as always. Looks better in person.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    With a booster plate and this amount of leverage, the source of flex becomes the brake arms themselves. One finger braking for sure.
    Especially when one rides the brakes as much as you do.
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    Halaburt's ti is awesome. Never any issues with the Moratis? The scary internet pics seem to suggest they are worth more than they're, well, worth.


    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    So, umm, anyone got a spare seat tube decal in silver kicking around?
    And this, quoted for desperation/persistence.....none 'round?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    Halaburt's ti is awesome. Never any issues with the Moratis? The scary internet pics seem to suggest they are worth more than they're, well, worth
    that goes without saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    Halaburt's ti is awesome. Never any issues with the Moratis? The scary internet pics seem to suggest they are worth more than they're, well, worth.
    So far, so good. I do keep an eye on it though. Those went on it when the bike was new. I recall at the time not being able to find a new set of 181 CBR's (what I ran on all my other bikes at the time) and I couldn't bring myself to run the (IMO) ugly Shimano M950's.

    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    that goes without saying.
    I'll assume you're referring to the part of Nate's comment about how awesome my bike is.

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    This really pretty much has to be the best thread ever great pics and info lately

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    Quote Originally Posted by halaburt View Post
    So far, so good. I do keep an eye on it though. Those went on it when the bike was new. I recall at the time not being able to find a new set of 181 CBR's (what I ran on all my other bikes at the time) and I couldn't bring myself to run the (IMO) ugly Shimano M950's.



    I'll assume you're referring to the part of Nate's comment about how awesome my bike is.
    awesome indeed! otoh i have to ask: why not barcons? I like them so much since i can shift on any situation and, being inside the bar, it gives a very solid platform for the levers. mho.. just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    awesome indeed! otoh i have to ask: why not barcons? I like them so much since i can shift on any situation and, being inside the bar, it gives a very solid platform for the levers. mho.. just curious.
    You mean barcon shifters on the Kelly mounts?... or on in the traditional position? I assume the former?

    At the time I don't think I knew/understood that Shimano barcons could use the same mount platform as the down tube type shifters. All the Kelly material only talked about DT shifters. Now that I know, I'd like to try the fatter/shorter barcon types on these mounts but just haven't gotten around to it.

    I've got barcons (in the traditional position) on Salsa Woodchippers on my Fargo and like that a lot actually... For future flared drop bar bikes running >8sp, I would probably go that route now. For <=8sp, I do like the various WTB mounts.

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    Barcons, traditional, inside the bars. I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    .....none 'round?
    I could also use a set of decals, in my case the newer ones.

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    Is my seatpost too long?


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    You might be better on an 18".
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    ...or playing basketball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjustin007 View Post
    Is my seatpost too long?
    You might also ask the same question about your fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    You might be better on an 18".
    I think so, I've been looking for a trade. . .

    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    ...or playing basketball.
    I still play recreationally. I'm 6'5", but only have a 34" inseam, and a long torso.

    Quote Originally Posted by halaburt View Post
    You might also ask the same question about your fork.
    It's a Z2 BAM, 1998, I think, so it should be 70mm, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjustin007 View Post
    I think so, I've been looking for a trade. . .

    I still play recreationally. I'm 6'5", but only have a 34" inseam, and a long torso.

    You would definitely be better served with an 18... Didn't someone just recently pick up a large Phoenix frame and want a medium?

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    Does it interfere with the water bottle braze ons.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMF View Post
    You would definitely be better served with an 18... Didn't someone just recently pick up a large Phoenix frame and want a medium?
    I remember that too. Justin, do a search, I think I remember that in the trade thread or WIW thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    I remember that too. Justin, do a search, I think I remember that in the trade thread or WIW thread.
    GOB - I posted in a couple of places looking for a trade, so it may be my posts you are thinking of. Have 15" looking for 18" or 19.5", not the other way around.
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    For thread comprehensiveness. The current build on my '98.



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    that looks nice!

    Does anyone know if there were any top pull front derailleur Ti Phoenix?

    Are those the ones sold in the early 2000's and finished by others than SP?
    Last edited by Machianera; 05-09-2012 at 01:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machianera View Post
    Does anyone know if there were any top pull front derailleur Ti Phoenix?

    Are those the ones sold in the early 2000's and finished by others than SP?
    Gee, I wonder why you ask. ;p

    I don't think any production, made-by-SP ones came that way --- although obviously customers could request some customization. As for you second question, I don't think it's just a start/finish thing. Look at the serial number (if any).

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    Quote Originally Posted by halaburt View Post
    Gee, I wonder why you ask. ;p

    I don't think any production, made-by-SP ones came that way --- although obviously customers could request some customization. As for you second question, I don't think it's just a start/finish thing. Look at the serial number (if any).

    Just curious

    I was hanging out with a friend that used to have a couple of phoenix back then. He told me about a disk brake model with top pull routing. There is a picture of what i think is the bike on the BMC blog (650 conversion)...

    I guess they are wtb frames but no phoenix.

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    Mine at Bernal Heights, and with a ti jobbie on the Flume Trail in Tahoe (my filter= plastic baggie).





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    And a couple less gauzy pics:



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    Very stoked to now sport a Type II thanks to a gracious fellow MTBR and Fat Cog'er:


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    How do you like Mary?
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    Those are Groovy Luv Handles and I like them a lot. A nice swept ti bar would also be cool (and lighter), but the Luvs are super comfy.
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    You're getting there! Those forks look perfect on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    Very stoked to now sport a Type II thanks to a gracious fellow MTBR and Fat Cog'er:


    Looks amazing!

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    Now, that's a proper Phoenix. Goofy bars aside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mainlyfats View Post
    Looks amazing!
    Much obliged!
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    Hi everyone,
    I've been peeping around this thread every once in a while over the last decade and finally decided to drop in and share a story and get some guidance on what to do with my 1998? WTB Phoenix

    It's a bit of a miracle that I have this bike, I was on a rare visit to my uncle in Mill Valley in 2001 where I spotted a bike, missing its wheels and seat post, tucked next to a shed. I asked him about it and he said he pulled it off the top of a truck load he was hired to take from a house that was being repossessed. He figured it was someone who lost their shirt in the dot com boom. I told him what it was which was surprising since he grew up in the middle of the whole Mt Tam scene. He gave it to me as a late birthday present (12th) and I took it to Steve, who happens to be an old family friend, to see if he had the odd sized seat post. After I got it all rolling, I got to ride it around Mt Tam and the hills above Pt Reyes a few times before heading back to Washington, where it was an everyday rider more than a mountain bike. Now I've been in college for the last few years and have grown out of the bike, and haven't been riding it, I can't justify selling it, but want to give it a proper build so that I'll ride it. I was planning to put disks on it as I already had wheel and fork mounts and Steve said he'd weld a rear mount on for me.
    I don't consider myself a mountain biker, but do restore and collect Prewar bicycles and have rebuilt a few Klunkers for family who had them back in the day. So I just want some advice one what you guys would do.
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    I definitely wouldn't get disc mounts. I would wash, wax, put a bunch of nice xtr parts on it and enjoy the hell out of it.

    Not only would I do that but I do do that.

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    +1 on the no discs. As far as you out growing the bike, you might try to find someone to trade sizes with you to get one that fits properly. Or if you're dead set on the discs, you could maybe trade it for a frame that already has disc mounts. Post a pic of it when you get a chance.
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    Just posted an image in my gallery as I cannot post links yet.
    The kicker would be that the mount would be welded on by Steve Potts himself, It has been the only change I have considered as the braking power of the old wtb roller cams is not that impressive compared to disks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColsonTwinbar View Post
    Just posted an image in my gallery as I cannot post links yet.
    The kicker would be that the mount would be welded on by Steve Potts himself, It has been the only change I have considered as the braking power of the old wtb roller cams is not that impressive compared to disks.
    That really doesn't change anything to me. Don't do it.

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    Actually, just send me those sucky WTB roller cams and get yourself some disc brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy View Post
    +1 on the no discs. As far as you out growing the bike, you might try to find someone to trade sizes with you to get one that fits properly. Or if you're dead set on the discs, you could maybe trade it for a frame that already has disc mounts. Post a pic of it when you get a chance.
    ^^^ Agreed.

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    As a collector of other styles of bikes, I wont be letting any original parts far from the bike. I am however interested in trading for a larger frame. This is a 16" and I'm 6' 1", so a little compact for me.

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    It has roller cam on the chainstays and wtb cantilever in the front.

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    As a collector of other styles of bikes, I wont be letting any original parts far from the bike. I am however interested in trading for a larger frame. This is a 16" and I'm 6' 1", so a little compact for me.
    I'm glad to hear that you won't be letting original parts slip through your fingers. I would keep it original and enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColsonTwinbar View Post
    As a collector of other styles of bikes, I wont be letting any original parts far from the bike. I am however interested in trading for a larger frame. This is a 16" and I'm 6' 1", so a little compact for me.
    A larger frame would be better but they are rather hard to come by. One option would be to get a super long layback post and a gigantic stem and make it work. Might not even look too terribly bad.
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    Here are some photos of my '98 Phoenix, I'm the original owner. 13.5", 140mm rear end, Toggle Cam, 140mm New Paradigm rear hub in Gunmetal Blue.
    I was told that it is the 1st or 2nd 13.5" Phoenix the made or sold. I believe '98 was the first year they did the in between sizes in 13.5" and 17.5"
    Photos of photos (sorry, no access to a scanner) of the original build in '98. Also a photo of my invoice.
    More recent photos at the end, plus a photo of the BB serial number, but I have since changed the fork to a 120mm SID, in black which looks much nicer and brings the handling back a bit, certainly better than the 140mm Recon fork in the photo
    I don't ride it too much any more because a hardtail isn't really appropriate for the terrain where I live, but I did recently ride it in a 55 mile "mixed terrain" race/ride, equipped with Nano Raptors I held my own with the CAT 1 guys on CX bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rammer View Post
    Here are some photos of my '98 Phoenix, I'm the original owner. 13.5", 140mm rear end, Toggle Cam, 140mm New Paradigm rear hub in Gunmetal Blue.
    I was told that it is the 1st or 2nd 13.5" Phoenix the made or sold. I believe '98 was the first year they did the in between sizes in 13.5" and 17.5"
    Photos of photos (sorry, no access to a scanner) of the original build in '98. Also a photo of my invoice.
    More recent photos at the end, plus a photo of the BB serial number, but I have since changed the fork to a 120mm SID, in black which looks much nicer and brings the handling back a bit, certainly better than the 140mm Recon fork in the photo
    I don't ride it too much any more because a hardtail isn't really appropriate for the terrain where I live, but I did recently ride it in a 55 mile "mixed terrain" race/ride, equipped with Nano Raptors I held my own with the CAT 1 guys on CX bikes.
    Enjoy...

    Nice. Similar set up to mine with the disc/tc combo. I'm kinda surprised a 98 has those mounts since v-brake were all the rage at that point.

    That thing must be a chopper with 120mm fork. I can't fathom 140mm fork. 63mm....80mm maybe.
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    I'll have to check the HTA. You can argue that the longer fork gives it a more evolved geometry anyway. A longer travel fork 120mm fork will be setup for more sag than an 80mm that it was "designed" for, so the delta isn't 40mm axle to crown but a bit less, assuming similar crown and dropout height. Moving the seat forward a bit restores the STA to good enough. Old school 71 HTA are a bit overrated in my opinion, just have to setup for corners a bit better at slower speeds with the slacker HTA.
    Still have an 80mm Z2 BAM, and an older '95 Judy SL with DH dampers (75mm?) but I'd rather have the more modern damping and a bit more travel for what I have to ride where I live. Paired with 2.4 tires it works OK. Lack of disc brake in the rear is a bit limiting though. When riding where you're not suspension or brake limited, it works well..but so does any bike I suppose.

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    You were able to get a 2.4 in the rear?
    I stepped down a size when a 2.35 wouldn't fit in mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rammer View Post
    I'll have to check the HTA. You can argue that the longer fork gives it a more evolved geometry anyway. A longer travel fork 120mm fork will be setup for more sag than an 80mm that it was "designed" for, so the delta isn't 40mm axle to crown but a bit less, assuming similar crown and dropout height. Moving the seat forward a bit restores the STA to good enough. Old school 71 HTA are a bit overrated in my opinion, just have to setup for corners a bit better at slower speeds with the slacker HTA.
    Still have an 80mm Z2 BAM, and an older '95 Judy SL with DH dampers (75mm?) but I'd rather have the more modern damping and a bit more travel for what I have to ride where I live. Paired with 2.4 tires it works OK. Lack of disc brake in the rear is a bit limiting though. When riding where you're not suspension or brake limited, it works well..but so does any bike I suppose.

    Good points. I guess the/my (perceived?) suggishness throws me enough to shy away from going to that much travel.

    Where I'm at, I can tackle 90+% of the trails with 63mm and a 2.24 up front (with some buzzing if I come down hard enough).

    What kind of terrain are we talkin' about where you live?

    If you think that rear brake is limiting, I'll gladly take it off your hands. You can weld on a rear disc tab!


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    when you initiate a turn, the weight is off the front, fork decompresses and you need to turn it like a wheel barrow.. ymmv.
    i love when i can unweigh the front and it's still nimble.

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    Super easy to unweigh the fork when it is choppered out
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    Won't be converting to disc, the Toggle Cam is a big part of what makes this bike. Apparently the small sizes are real challenging for Roller Cam due to cable routing which is what let to the Toggle Cam design. I also remember another version known as Scissor Cam, but I think that was just a prototype, that version allowed the cable housing to be routed all the way to the brake. Lots of ways to tackle a basic mechanical linkage.

    Most of the riding I do is on the central coast, it's pretty rocky here. When I first moved here with only that bike I ended up running 2.25 IRC Missiles, they were the only thing at the time that would hold up well enough to not pinch flat every other ride.

    I take this bike out maybe once or twice a year mainly for nostalgia, it just reminds me that a hardtail isn't well suited for most of the terrain around here. You can do it, but if you have a full suspension bike as an option to ride, that weighs nearly the same, why not just ride that instead.

    On a really steep descent where you're keeping your speed in check with a lot of brake drag, you can notice your right arm pumps up more than the left. Seems to demonstrate the advantage of disc vs rim brake. I run a hydraulic disc brake up front. It could very well be the lever ergonomics though.

    I'm pretty sure I've had a 2.4 Mutano Raptor on the rear of this bike..but I could be mistaken.

    So that should answer most of the questions and comments above...

    Another WTB trinket I have is a RS Judy brake brace. I had broken the stock one on my '95 Judy SL. The cool thing is it can accept post mounts for a Roller Cam, I think it had accommodations for a bolt on cable housing stop, but I was running V-brakes so didn't have the cable stop. I also remember seeing the Scissor Cam brakes mounted on one of these. I'll post some photos when I get a chance.

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    We've seen the scissor cam here. Maybe even this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rammer View Post
    Another WTB trinket I have is a RS Judy brake brace. I had broken the stock one on my '95 Judy SL. The cool thing is it can accept post mounts for a Roller Cam, I think it had accommodations for a bolt on cable housing stop, but I was running V-brakes so didn't have the cable stop. I also remember seeing the Scissor Cam brakes mounted on one of these. I'll post some photos when I get a chance.
    I picked up one of those stops at a swap not too long ago, still looking for the brace though..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    I picked up one of those stops at a swap not too long ago, still looking for the brace though..


    I'll take that for the brakes you owe me for.

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    Current state of the 1994 SE - finally hung the new shoes.



    WTB New Paradigm 32h hub, LASER beam rim, all NOS and Gravy built. Ti XTR 8-speed cogs.


    WTB New Paradigm 28h front.


    SB8 is no longer on there, Mutano 2.24 front and 2.4 rear.
    ...strictly downhill...

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    Waiting to be build up, searching for WTB part as hubs and headset 1"
    Can't wait till it rolls

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    No, not really with this Manitou, it will build up with the original fork from Steve Potts

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspreti View Post
    Waiting to be build up, searching for WTB part as hubs and headset 1"
    Can't wait till it rolls

    No, not really with this Manitou, it will build up with the original fork from Steve Potts
    Welcome! Always did like the white Phoeni best. Glad you went with a correct fork from Steve.
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    Here is my Phoenix Frame I bought in 97 and still haven't put any parts on it! LOL trying to get it done right! Looking for advice on parts etc.


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    pahydroman, guessing your PM box will be very busy, very soon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pathydroman View Post
    Here is my Phoenix Frame I bought in 97 and still haven't put any parts on it! LOL trying to get it done right! Looking for advice on parts etc.
    'Trying to get it done right' has kept you from building it for 16 years?

    IMO, full M950 XTR 8spd.
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    That, except with m950 series v-brakes and levers but m730 series thumbshifters for the win.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    If it is 140mm spaced in the rear, widening a Chris King is going to be easier than finding a wide WTB (and lighter, and louder--in a good way).
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    Was the 140 hub shell wider, or just a longer axle and more spacers on the non-drive side to reduce dish? IIIRC, that was the original hub approach.
    FWIW, i'm running a Ti axle for a 135 XTR hub and it just barely works for my 140 rear spacing.

    Also, i'm curious about what a "proper" build for a phoenix would be. Obviously WTB bearings (hubs, headset, BB if you are lucky), brakes, rims, saddle tires seem a likely choice... after that? Hrmm... i guess that's most of a bike... Suntour build. I think i answered my own question :-)
    I'd love to find a powerband stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post

    IMO, full M950 XTR 8spd.
    A little bland, but super solid. But what else was there in 97? In my opinion, thumbshifters seem too lazy for the laser-precision, singletrack-slicing Phoenix.

    Some Koski stuff (stem, bars, brakes, etc) would be cool too as the two companies were at some point (and somehow) collaborating.

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    Wider axle. I have one somewhere.

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    One I bought back when I lived in the bay and thought I would of built it then. I moved and then kids and just never got around to it. Now I am getting into riding with my kids etc and would like to just build it up.

    Yes it is a rear 140mm. I also can't seem to find any numbers stamped into it? Maybe just not looking in right spot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    If it is 140mm spaced in the rear, widening a Chris King is going to be easier than finding a wide WTB (and lighter, and louder--in a good way).
    Good call.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed View Post
    A little bland, but super solid. But what else was there in 97? In my opinion, thumbshifters seem too lazy for the laser-precision, singletrack-slicing Phoenix.
    Some Koski stuff (stem, bars, brakes, etc) would be cool too as the two companies were at some point (and somehow) collaborating.
    Ya...not a whole lot of other options out there. The beginning of the dull era of MTB. Not sure what fork to run. White? Bomber?

    Quote Originally Posted by pathydroman View Post
    One I bought back when I lived in the bay and thought I would of built it then. I moved and then kids and just never got around to it. Now I am getting into riding with my kids etc and would like to just build it up. Yes it is a rear 140mm. I also can't seem to find any numbers stamped into it? Maybe just not looking in right spot?
    Serial number is under the BB. Hope you get it up and running without too much fuss. You missed a lot of years riding the best hardtail ever made.
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    Thanks just found it. #96476

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    So I take it the more WTB parts I can find for it might be the best idea for it? Does anyone know what the value of it would be? I think I need to start a large list of parts! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathydroman View Post
    So I take it the more WTB parts I can find for it might be the best idea for it?
    Its your bike - do what you want :-)

    I just know, in general, WTB made a lot of bike components, and many of them were quite good. Around 2000, they were starting to transition into the lesser company they are today. They pretty much made everything except drivetrain bits (with the hubs being an exception). Anything "New Paradigm" is pretty good and built for the long-haul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathydroman View Post
    So I take it the more WTB parts I can find for it might be the best idea for it? Does anyone know what the value of it would be? I think I need to start a large list of parts! LOL
    That's the way I built my '96 Phoenix, the main exception being I couldn't find (or afford) WTB thumb shifter mounts for drop bars, so I went with M900 Rapid Fire and DKG mounts, and I had a WTB SST saddle on it but then remembered I didn't like them back then and still don't now. If you hunt around most of the New Paradigm parts aren't hard to find, you just have to be willing to fork out the cash and they aren't cheap. Sorry for the craptastic photo, I'll post a better one tomorrow when I can take it outside.




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    Great looking phoenix!

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Anomie- View Post
    That's the way I built my '96 Phoenix, the main exception being I couldn't find (or afford) WTB thumb shifter mounts for drop bars, so I went with M900 Rapid Fire and DKG mounts, and I had a WTB SST saddle on it but then remembered I didn't like them back then and still don't now. If you hunt around most of the New Paradigm parts aren't hard to find, you just have to be willing to fork out the cash and they aren't cheap. Sorry for the craptastic photo, I'll post a better one tomorrow when I can take it outside.
    What's the story on the seat stay brakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed View Post
    What's the story on the seat stay brakes?
    Wasn't that an option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stan lee View Post
    Wasn't that an option?
    Woops, scratch that. Momentary memory malfunction. :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed View Post
    Momentary memory malfunction.
    Don't think it hasn't gone unnoticed that you HAVE a seat stay U brake phoenix...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMF View Post
    Don't think it hasn't gone unnoticed that you HAVE a seat stay U brake phoenix...
    haha!! Did I mention I haven't ridden it in months, but have ridden my Cunningham recently? Ok, that's all the excuse I got.

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    Well, 2 things. Sorry for insulting your bike with the "U brake" comment. Roller/toggle cam is the respectful terminology here, and I would not be able to remember everything about every bike if I had as many as you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathydroman View Post
    Thanks just found it. #96476
    Older than mine - #96529
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir H C View Post
    New here, but 2 WTB Phoenix bikes. I should scan the catalogs from them too (I have two when I first was hoping to get a Phoenix):

    this is a frame I got, and am still in the process of building it up. Getting a type II fork made for it:



    And here is a Ti one that I have that I love and ride all the time:



    I changed the fork on this one (came with the bike when I bought it), as the fork in the picture was too long and make the bike steer like a cadillac, now with a Fox 80 mm fork, it is a nimble awesome machine.

    have to get updated pictures...
    I sold you that Ti Phoenix. I'd like to buy it back. I was sick when I sold it and was unable to ride....Turn out the doctors were wrong....

    I miss that bike....it should be SN:24, but I'm positive it's my old one.

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    Welcome to VRC. Great first post. I would like that Ti Phoenix also.
    Seek: Koski Trailmaster. Breezer Series 2 or 3. Cunningham Racer.

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    The WTB Phoenix Thread

    Oh, I didn't know it was for sale. Did I miss something? In that case, I'd like to buy it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wxflyer View Post
    Oh, I didn't know it was for sale. Did I miss something? In that case, I'd like to buy it too.

    I dont think the guy is on here anymore....

    I was bored the other day and thought I would start looking at bikes again. I was wondering what Steve Potts had and then thought, " I wonder what happened to my old bike?" I love google Image search so I typed in WTB Ti Phoenix and there it was on the first page..... I know it is mine from the fork and the fact I let Shimano use me as a guinea pig for those silly shifters.

    I'll find his original Email and see if he is interested in selling it. I did have him promise me that he would offer it to me before he sold it to anyone else.

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