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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Anyone have any thoughts/advice??

    Ya. Just build and ride it.
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    The Phoenix Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Ya. Just build and ride it.
    Let me Re-Phrase that; "Anyone except Rumpfy who rides bikes with holes in them..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Is this the type of "under rusting" that you saw on your frame?
    Here is my Phoenix and this "spidery rust" under the paint as well as a bunch of chips where you see bare steel on mine is leaning me towards a repaint:
    It is a bit tough to see on pics, but with mine it looked like those little worms. They were on front ST and on top TT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Is this the type of "under rusting" that you saw on your frame?
    Here is my Phoenix and this "spidery rust" under the paint as well as a bunch of chips where you see bare steel on mine is leaning me towards a repaint:
    When I first got my Phoenix it looked like it had rust under the paint in pretty much that same spot. I sanded it down, and it wasn't rust, but it was so long ago that I don't remember what it was. I found some paint that was close enough to hide the little spot I sanded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Let me Re-Phrase that; "Anyone except Rumpfy who rides bikes with holes in them..."

    Major rust, sure...take it down and re-do it (unless you're me, then you leave it anyway. ).
    I just wasn't seeing any in the picture you posted, rust worm or otherwise.


    I just know you're going to take that bike and put the tall stem, flat pedals, and goofy seat on it and have it be immaculate and its going to sit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    Last week Lauren rode the Ti-Phoenix for the "Turkeyride" at Fairfax.


    When... I WalK my Ibis SS pretty much the whole way up since my old Sachs "new success" rear derailleur Hand made spring lost temper half way on the trip (i'm sure I did something wrong when I heat/cool it down) and the chainsuck was just to persistent to let me ride it. so for now on is back to the trusty M900 parts that never ever fail.

    We also found a sister along the way.


    I think Lauren is going to keep the Phoenix as one of her bike for now one, at least with the "funky" handlebars it fit her far better (Even if the effective top tube is almost 23" long) plus I guess i'm much to chubby and the frame flexes (B.B and rear end) far to much for my taste (much more than the Ibis and the Yo-Eddy's for sure)
    What is the the deal with the taper chainstays on the top Ti phoenix? I've not seen those on a Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    What is the the deal with the taper chainstays on the top Ti phoenix? I've not seen those on a Ti.
    i like that wtb stem
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    The Phoenix Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Major rust, sure...take it down and re-do it (unless you're me, then you leave it anyway. ).
    I just wasn't seeing any in the picture you posted, rust worm or otherwise.


    I just know you're going to take that bike and put the tall stem, flat pedals, and goofy seat on it and have it be immaculate and its going to sit.
    OK, maybe I'm overeacting but I read one of those old articles where Steve Potts apparently didn't allow for any moisture to escape from the tubes if it got in there because he felt that frame owners should be taught proper frame care to avoid that from happening...Plus I got a little freaked when I saw the red Phoenix that looked mint to me and supposedly had rust and even though it's hard to see in the photo there's defintely something doing under the paint, maybe it's nothing worth worrying about... I could use new "Phoenix" decals for the top tube though, but I don't think that's on the Rumpfy priority list either

    BTW-Since you already raised the issue I actually do have THE MOST REPULSIVE stem picked out for my Phoenix I bought it with you in mind! But sadly no seat yet, WTB has had some real ugly ones lately so I have a lot to choose from, White, Silver, Camo...Now that I already have kids I may not need to use those testicle saver seats that I had on some of my rides, so I'll probably get something flashy just to get your goat

    I actually do plan on riding this Phoenix, I need to get back in shape after not riding for too long plus that way the rest of my bikes can remain as "Living Room Queens" and after all of the hype I really do want to see what the magic is all about with the Phoenix
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    who got it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Steve Potts apparently didn't allow for any moisture to escape from the tubes
    I agree, I could've only helped to leave at least a weep hole to get any moisture out. I spent some time trying to decide a way to safely drill up into the seat tube from the bottom bracket. In the end it seemed like a stupid idea to take a chance on ruining the thing to prevent something that might not happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    even though it's hard to see in the photo there's defintely something doing under the paint, maybe it's nothing worth worrying about...
    As posted above
    When I first got my Phoenix it looked like it had rust under the paint in pretty much that same spot. I sanded it down, and it wasn't rust, but it was so long ago that I don't remember what it was. I found some paint that was close enough to hide the little spot I sanded.
    But you gotta get brave and break out the sandpaper. I'll admit it was a lot easier to do 10 years ago than it would be today though.

    Even though I don't remember specifics, I'm pretty sure what I found was IN the paint, not under it, so once the paint was off the tube was clean. Sometimes a guy's gotta do what paranoia wants him to do though. A strip and repaint won't hurt anything but your wallet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    You talkin' about the recent CL one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    who got it?

    You talkin' about the recent CL one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob
    I spent some time trying to decide a way to safely drill up into the seat tube from the bottom bracket.
    Through the threaded hole used to attached the plastic bottom bracket cable guide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury
    Through the threaded hole used to attached the plastic bottom bracket cable guide?
    Yeah exactly ... there is no plastic guide, so I'd have to go up through both sides of the BB shell and hit the middle of the seat tube, or find a long punch to mark where to drill coming down from the top and use a long drill extension to get the bit down there. The more I thought about it the less sense it made to do it
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    The Phoenix Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob
    When I first got my Phoenix it looked like it had rust under the paint in pretty much that same spot. I sanded it down, and it wasn't rust, but it was so long ago that I don't remember what it was. I found some paint that was close enough to hide the little spot I sanded.
    I'm not going to mess with it myself, I'm not that crafty!

    I'll keep everyone posted on this whether I just build it up or decide to paint it...chances are I will just go for a build right now...
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    DoubleCentury!

    I have tried to comment on your: Classic Ti Phoenix SN 98062 twice since you posted it this morning and for some reason it won't register!!

    It's Awesome! Even though it doesn't seem "Vintage" it's a 10 year old bike that isn't made any longer, but it's a killer build, did you put this together or did you get it complete?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    DoubleCentury!

    I have tried to comment on your: Classic Ti Phoenix SN 98062 twice since you posted it this morning and for some reason it won't register!!

    It's Awesome! Even though it doesn't seem "Vintage" it's a 10 year old bike that isn't made any longer, but it's a killer build, did you put this together or did you get it complete?

    I heard that there were some posting issues with putting text in the title field. Were you doing that?

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    Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    I heard that there were some posting issues with putting text in the title field. Were you doing that?

    LOL! Only if you retype it in for every post you make.
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    LOL! Only if you retype it in for every post you make

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    LOL! Only if you retype it in for every post you make.
    Hey What do you mean Rumpfy?

    So who here got the SF area Phoenix? The seller didn't even answer my desperate plea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    The seller didn't even answer my desperate plea...
    you're the fourth person I've heard that from
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    DoubleCentury!
    It's Awesome! Even though it doesn't seem "Vintage" it's a 10 year old bike that isn't made any longer, but it's a killer build, did you put this together or did you get it complete?
    Acquired as a complete bike, that needed a service overhaul and a few modifications. This is a no-nonsense build that will service as my primary hardtail, replacing a Ritchey NiTi with a similar M952 build. In the future the fork will be replaced with something lighter.

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    Yes DC, great chassis. It is obvious you created a very enjoyable rider.


    Got my Phoenix and Type II from the painter this week. Already have some pics of the Type II =>



    Neatly done. Happy with it.

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    This thread is so much fun. Your type II looks fantastic. I love to see the rest of your paintjob. I like to show my Phoenix riding the Austrian Alps last summer. I bought this frame somewhere in 1994/1995 and I still ride it many miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Hey What do you mean Rumpfy?

    So who here got the SF area Phoenix? The seller didn't even answer my desperate plea...
    Haha!


    Didn't answer my emails either. I'm sure whomever called first had the best chance.

    Besides...thats territory encroachment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pottser
    This thread is so much fun. Your type II looks fantastic. I love to see the rest of your paintjob. I like to show my Phoenix riding the Austrian Alps last summer. I bought this frame somewhere in 1994/1995 and I still ride it many miles.
    Great action shot of the Phoenix.

    Just got back from riding mine in Santa Cruz today as it were.
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    Quickpic !



    Hope to have it rolling somewhere in ....2000 and 9 !

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    Nice one Melvin!

    I noticed that the ends of the legs on your Type II aren't scallowed/spoon-shaped, but 'flat'... thats somewhat weird. Than again, your Phoenix also has rack mounts and a different cable routing than mine (cause of the chainstay-mounted brake). I thought that was done only on the earlier modell, whereas your's is a later one than mine (different dropouts and decalling).
    No, I am not retro.... I am way ahead of my time...

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    Hi, it turned out great. Is the colour black on the mainframe?

    Jeroen: this Type II was made by Wes Williams, because at that time Steve didn't have time to build a Type II. One of the few who were allowed allowed to build Type II is/was Wes Williams. The fork was sent back to WTB and painted together with the frame.

    The original owner wanted racks front and rear, because he wanted to use it for touring. That's the reason of course for the braze-ons but also for the different cable route and brake position. I am glad it showed up again. I hope you ride it a lot, that's what Phoenix are famous for.

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    Thank you for the kind words

    Colour of frame and upper section of fork is a very deep gloss black. The decals are in mousegrey, as is the lower section of the Type II.

    Will only use neutral colours in the build ...except for tyre flanges.

    Already from the start of the project I know what I want. I am only undecided on whether to go for XC Pro or XTR m900. Suntour has a link with WTB through Grease Guard, what makes it a good pick, but maybe XTR has a tiny little bit more class. Class to complement the class of the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elevation12,000
    Thank you for the kind words

    Colour of frame and upper section of fork is a very deep gloss black. The decals are in mousegrey, as is the lower section of the Type II.

    Will only use neutral colours in the build ...except for tyre flanges.

    Already from the start of the project I know what I want. I am only undecided on whether to go for XC Pro or XTR m900. Suntour has a link with WTB through Grease Guard, what makes it a good pick, but maybe XTR has a tiny little bit more class. Class to complement the class of the frame.
    xtr is better. why build it w/ something worse? "cool factor" ?
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    the taper chain stay on the ti one is the sandvik chain stay, from what i've been told.

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    m900 is so played out.

    Go with the XC Pro.

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    Smile Front derailleur and custom paint?

    Trying to find out if the Phoenix takes a 31.8mm FD w/ bottom pull
    and bottom or top swing?
    Also, any recommendations for custom painter for my '96 Phoenix around
    the SF Bay Area?
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    Hi BradMTB,

    Front derailleur with my True Temper Phoenix (probably the same as your 1996 one) is 34,9mm in diameter. Bottom pull. I personally would go for the conventional design, the down swing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradmtb
    Trying to find out if the Phoenix takes a 31.8mm FD w/ bottom pull
    and bottom or top swing?
    Also, any recommendations for custom painter for my '96 Phoenix around
    the SF Bay Area?
    Thanks

    As for paint, D+D Cycles in San Lorenzo did the original paint work on the Phoenix's and might have decals as well.
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    Risen from the ashes....

    I promised to post some pics of my Ti Phoenix project when it was finally done, but Mike at BlackMountain Cycles has already posted a much better story about the bike than I could ever write:
    http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot....m-phoenix.html

    I owe a huge thanks to Mike Varley for building the bike and figuring out a workaround to the rear brake issue. What other bike shop can get your roller-cam modification approved by Charlie himself?

    Thanks to FatMikeynyc and Bushpig for help with sourcing the front roller-cam.

    It's 70 degrees outside right now... a perfect day to take the Phoenix on it's maiden voyage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fetor
    I promised to post some pics of my Ti Phoenix project when it was finally done, but Mike at BlackMountain Cycles has already posted a much better story about the bike than I could ever write:
    http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot....m-phoenix.html

    I owe a huge thanks to Mike Varley for building the bike and figuring out a workaround to the rear brake issue. What other bike shop can get your roller-cam modification approved by Charlie himself?

    Thanks to FatMikeynyc and Bushpig for help with sourcing the front roller-cam.

    It's 70 degrees outside right now... a perfect day to take the Phoenix on it's maiden voyage.

    -fetor

    Looks super nice. Someday I'll have to try me a ti one.

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    Here's a pic of my Phoenix at the top of today's climb - the temps were in the mid to upper 20s F. I bought the frame at a swap nearly two years ago, and it included the rear toggle cam brake. The frame had a crack at the seat binder when I bought it, so I sent it to Steve for repairs. It recently came back with the crack repaired, a new fork, and a spiffy new white paint job (previously it was black). The build includes WTB brakes, hubs, and bar - otherwise it's mostly Shimano m900 XTR.

    I'm not crazy about the stem. It puts the bars in the right place, but it does not do it with any style. Hopefully there's a solution to that in the future. In the mean time I'll ride it as is. Today I was out for 2 hours and 45 minutes and climbed about 2400 feet. The bike rode great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    I'm not crazy about the stem.
    What the hell man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    What the hell man.
    I appreciate the gift. When I find a different stem I'll send this one back to you.
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    sick bike needs a limp digit for sure.

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    The bike looks great E. I really like the picture also. I think this bike needs it's own thread. If you wouldnt have told me you posted, I wouldnt have checked this thread.
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    Does anyone have a readable copy of the Phoenix catalog, or know what the effective top tube length is for a 15" frame? I tried the catalog at http://www.mtb-kataloge.de/Bikekatal...F/WTB/1996.pdf but can't read it. Reason for asking: 29er shopping
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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob
    Does anyone have a readable copy of the Phoenix catalog, or know what the effective top tube length is for a 15" frame? I tried the catalog at http://www.mtb-kataloge.de/Bikekatal...F/WTB/1996.pdf but can't read it. Reason for asking: 29er shopping

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    Thanks BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pottser
    This thread is so much fun. Your type II looks fantastic. I love to see the rest of your paintjob. I like to show my Phoenix riding the Austrian Alps last summer. I bought this frame somewhere in 1994/1995 and I still ride it many miles.
    Great action shot

    Good thread...I was able to gather some info regarding seatposts/sizing/etc...but there's a lot more I want to read. Anyone have more resources on these bikes...including a readable copy of the phoenix catalogue?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    What is the the deal with the taper chainstays on the top Ti phoenix? I've not seen those on a Ti.

    Quote Originally Posted by datenschwanz
    the taper chain stay on the ti one is the sandvik chain stay, from what i've been told.
    help please.

    I just picked up a Phoenix Ti, and need some clarification on this issue brought up in this thread, but not really clarified.

    So does the Ti Phoenix come with tapered chain stays or not? Does it come with both tapered and non-tapered? Is there such thing as a non-steve potts built Ti Phoenix or replicas/knock-offs floating around out there?

    any help would be greatly appreciated.

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    Both were made. Most I have seen are not tapered but some are tapered. Potts built the Phoenixes.

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    Hello fellow WTB afficiados,

    Hope to have the Phoenix finished for upcoming OWMTBC event.

    I will be fitting the original New Paradigm headset. I want to have it properly assembled and prefer to install loose balls instead of balls fitted in a ring. What size balls do they take? Okay, I can see with my eye I must be 5/32 or 4mm ...but which of the two?

    The New Paradigm bottom bracket will not make its return. Pottser convinced me it is not the most ingenious product ever designed by the WTB crew, so a Suntour XC Pro MD unit will be installed instead. Same Q! What size ball? 5/32 or 4mm.

    Of course I did a quite extensive search for it by myself (BikePro, old Suntour and WTB NP catalogue), but I simply couldn't find it.

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    Unless something is funky with this stuff it should be Imperial, i.e. 5/32.

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    The suntour bottom bracket from the factory runs 1/4" loose balls (if my memory banks are working today) so you should not need additional bearings in there.

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    Thanks for your contribution both

    Untill recently I were always under the assumption everthing used was imperial size. Untill I encountered some specs on the web that several headsets (dia compe, DA7400) take 4mm balls. No idea whether that is a fact or result of non accurate writing up of stuff by some people, but it surprised me ...and of course the material that we WTB afficiados are working on has to be preserved into eternity, so every job on it has to be performed properly. Hence me questioning.

    ckevlar, I do know the regular and more common XC Pro bb takes 11 1/4'' balls. This is a MD unit however and it is somewhat different, including the size of the balls used.
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    Spotted outside the Iron Springs Brewery. This guy is a rider, not a collector.






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    must be nice to not have to lock up your bike when going around town.
    I'd get suspicious if I saw a guy casing my ride while I'm picking up something to eat

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    I repurposed the old girl with a drop-bar setup. I'm really happy with the result.
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    That looks super fun. How do you like the Woodchippers?
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    So far so good on the woodchippers. Nice and wide, plenty of hand positions. The extension may be too long for veteran barcon users, but I don't know the difference so it's not a problem for me. :-)

    The only thing I wish I'd done different, is to rotate the barcons 90* so they shift horizontally and can't hit the top tube. I didn't think of that, and after I'd wrapped the bars I noticed a bike in the 29er monstercross thread set up that way. Don't want to take the chance of tearing the wrap, so I'm leaving them as they are for now.
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    Good tip. It's those little things you learn by doing
    Another longer term project is to make my Monster a drop bar set up so I am trying to glean as much info as I can.
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    my both Phoenix.

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    Very nice Werner!!

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    Yes, very nice. That looks like a series 1 and a series 2 to me. Interesting to see how you made the Rock Shox enable to take the cam.
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    here is a picture from the lever linking on the frontbrake from the red one.
    the white one is from '93,and the red one from '94

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    Wow! Did you go through WTB when you got the bikes or did you go through Steve and Charlie directly?

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    Hi,
    here are some informations about the linking from the roller cam.
    The threads and dimensions are in inch and not in mm
    i found the linking together with a WTB rollercam (compact version)in a bikeshop about 25 miles from my home. I
    think itwas about 5 years ago.The shopowner didn't give me
    any informations about the parts,but he told me that he sold
    many parts to "collectors"
    His own bike is a Ritchey super comp.
    now he is selling garden tools,powermower and motorsaws.
    did someone know more about the linking? I think it was no serial produktion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werner
    Hi,
    here are some informations about the linking from the roller cam.
    The threads and dimensions are in inch and not in mm
    i found the linking together with a WTB rollercam (compact version)in a bikeshop about 25 miles from my home. I
    think itwas about 5 years ago.The shopowner didn't give me
    any informations about the parts,but he told me that he sold
    many parts to "collectors"
    His own bike is a Ritchey super comp.
    now he is selling garden tools,powermower and motorsaws.
    did someone know more about the linking? I think it was no serial produktion

    Werner

    Yes, that's called a Lever Link and it's Charlie's favorite version of the RC platform. It was never sold because of WTB's concern with people not knowing how to properly adjust them and having unfavorable consequences (liability) if adjusted incorrectly. I have one on my Phoenix which I think is somewhere in this thread. It works really nicely and is very easily adjusted compared to a roller cam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werner
    here is a picture from the lever linking on the frontbrake from the red one.
    the white one is from '93,and the red one from '94

    Werner


    Pardon the blasphemy, (as it's a beautiful brake and set up), but without the actual cam, it looks like a lot like the world's most elegant v-brake. I'm looking at the action of the arms and cable pull...am I seeing it wrong?




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    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoaststeve
    Pardon the blasphemy, (as it's a beautiful brake and set up), but without the actual cam, it looks like a lot like the world's most elegant v-brake. I'm looking at the action of the arms and cable pull...am I seeing it wrong?




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    Yes, you're seeing it backwards. The arms push outward - opposite the V brake.

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    I had already covered it here extensively, but I reasoned the final result belongs in 'The Phoenix Thread'

    The finished Phoenix >>

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    What the hell, here's mine. Its set-up for being ridden hence the not period correct Groovy ti bars.


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    Nice. That saddle is a winner too.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdrop
    What the hell, here's mine. Its set-up for being ridden hence the not period correct Groovy ti bars.
    Nice I have a mate who is riding with the Luv Handles on his Groovy. He likes it a lot. The bar shown on my Phoenix is also by Rody, but conventional flat. Custom specs I asked for are 585mm wide and 6 degrees sweep. Rody even manufactured a ti shim with it.

    On the ''set-up for being ridden'' comment: To me it looks like most bikes in this thread are meant to be ridden. Some more than others, but they are no show bikes. I think that is a cool thing.
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    My new, NOS 1995 Phoenix. 18" Forest Green, 140mm rear spacing, suspension corrected. Serial number 95372.

    Full writeup here: My New, NOS 1995 Wilderness Trail Bikes (WTB) Phoenix - Lots of pics

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    New here, but 2 WTB Phoenix bikes. I should scan the catalogs from them too (I have two when I first was hoping to get a Phoenix):

    this is a frame I got, and am still in the process of building it up. Getting a type II fork made for it:



    And here is a Ti one that I have that I love and ride all the time:



    I changed the fork on this one (came with the bike when I bought it), as the fork in the picture was too long and make the bike steer like a cadillac, now with a Fox 80 mm fork, it is a nimble awesome machine.

    have to get updated pictures...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y
    Nice. That saddle is a winner too.
    Ha, I was just about to say I want that seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir H C
    New here, but 2 WTB Phoenix bikes. I should scan the catalogs from them too (I have two when I first was hoping to get a Phoenix):

    this is a frame I got, and am still in the process of building it up. Getting a type II fork made for it
    Nice pair. Who's making your type II? I was under the impression that Potts was no longer making them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir H C
    New here, but 2 WTB Phoenix bikes. I should scan the catalogs from them too (I have two when I first was hoping to get a Phoenix):

    this is a frame I got, and am still in the process of building it up. Getting a type II fork made for it:


    And here is a Ti one that I have that I love and ride all the time:


    I changed the fork on this one (came with the bike when I bought it), as the fork in the picture was too long and make the bike steer like a cadillac, now with a Fox 80 mm fork, it is a nimble awesome machine.

    have to get updated pictures...
    Great frames, and Ti bike just look so "right". I would love to seethe catalog scans if you get the chance.
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    Potts is supposedly doing it. I paid him a while back for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apat13
    I would love to seethe catalog scans if you get the chance.
    Me too - the Phoenix catalog I know of on the web is too grainy to read in places

    http://www.mtb-kataloge.de/Bikekatal...F/WTB/1996.pdf

    and also

    http://www.mtb-kataloge.de/html/wtb.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir H C
    New here, but 2 WTB Phoenix bikes. I should scan the catalogs from them too (I have two when I first was hoping to get a Phoenix):

    this is a frame I got, and am still in the process of building it up. Getting a type II fork made for it:



    And here is a Ti one that I have that I love and ride all the time:


    I changed the fork on this one (came with the bike when I bought it), as the fork in the picture was too long and make the bike steer like a cadillac, now with a Fox 80 mm fork, it is a nimble awesome machine.

    have to get updated pictures...
    Two great bikes!
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    I finally get to play...picked this up earlier this year, ran SS while I collected some turn of the century bits. 94 SE SN 94250 (as far as I can read through the paint).



    Sorry for the lack of detail in the pics, I took them in haste and have been meaning to get some better ones...but they should give you the idea.

    Here she is geared up with a 2000 model Marz Z2 X-Fly - rebuilt, 1" steerer pressed in and reduced to 60mm, like buttah. NOS SST.98 saddle and Thomson 410mm post. Hubs are WTB Momentum GG, rear rim is a Laser Beam front is Mavic 717.



    SRAM 9.0 SL rear mech, M900 cassette and chain.


    M900 front mech and RF Turbine LP cranks, BB is a NOS WTB Momentum GG, 747 pedals that have seen better days but will not die ;-)



    King 1" MTB headset came with the bike, the X-Fly was nicely destickered. Front brakes are late 90s SRAM 9.0.



    Thomson 100mm post, Easton Monkey Light XC bar, SRAM 9.0 grip shifters. Speed Dial Ultimate levers handle the rear toggle cam and front V just fine.



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    Man, I have not thought much about my trusty phoenix since it's last re-haul circa 2002. Used it for the occasional trail ride, but mainly for towing a B.O.B. around town. I've been mostly road riding for most of the past decade. Having fallen head over heals for trail riding again over this winter, I came on to the forums recently to lurk and re-learn a few of the details about my 95XXX serial, suspension adjusted 15" phoenix, and my mind is blown by the community of Phoenix lovers out there. I approve.

    Mine is quite a mutt, but think that I have a few old classic parts that you all might dig, and some that will make you chuckle. I'll post pictures here soon.

    Thanks for all the info, and the memories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashes
    Man, I have not thought much about my trusty phoenix since it's last re-haul circa 2002. Used it for the occasional trail ride, but mainly for towing a B.O.B. around town. I've been mostly road riding for most of the past decade. Having fallen head over heals for trail riding again over this winter, I came on to the forums recently to lurk and re-learn a few of the details about my 95XXX serial, suspension adjusted 15" phoenix, and my mind is blown by the community of Phoenix lovers out there. I approve.

    Mine is quite a mutt, but think that I have a few old classic parts that you all might dig, and some that will make you chuckle. I'll post pictures here soon.

    Thanks for all the info, and the memories.

    Post pics anyway!
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    from 1996

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    Seek: Koski Trailmaster. Breezer Series 2 or 3. Cunningham Racer.

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    Another rider Less gears this time.


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    So, umm, anyone got a spare seat tube decal in silver kicking around?
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    Yesterday:


    Today:

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    well? what did ya think? Needs different hubs! (Everything else I can live with. ) Seems like lots of Californians smathered on some sunscreen and went riding today! woo hoo!

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    Full write-up coming soon. Suffice to say, what a well-mannered bike!
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    rear tire must go... my eyes! beautifull frame color. beautifull build.
    WTB: Bomber Z2 1 1/8 steerer, in good to excellent shape OR bomber rebuild kit.

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    Frame 2 big

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    Funny, didn't feel like it 2 me.

    Full write-up here: 1998 WTB Phoenix
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    Got my '96 up and out for a shake down ride. Liking it. I have raced this bike locally but tweaked the build a bit.

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    Nice turbo. ( i know i am heading for a phoenix..)
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    TurboMatic! Looks great---the Steelman stem turned out to work really well.
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    Bushpig- how did you get a Lever Link brake? I thought they never went into production.
    undefined Absolutely must have: Black Machine Tech Zeroflex brake levers (the ones with the rotating leverage adjuster)

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    rear tire must go... my eyes! beautifull frame color. beautifull build.
    Agreed. Otherwise, cool Phoenix.


    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy View Post
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