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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    FB's Toggle Cam
    I think the technical name for that is a Gimp-L-Cam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uphiller
    Patineto- Very smooth ride. I used to have a Halson PDS fork, and used a Ritchey Z-Max 2.35. As I recall, it touches the crown when the fork is near bottoming. I would check.
    Thanks senor for the headups.

    So far I have never bottom out one of this PDS's (i have three from the same era) plus I'm also pretty chubby,kind of clumsy and I like to jump things.

    This days I only ride on 2.1 tires since all my WCS 2,35 are all gone and/or to worn out (I still have a few massive Klein deathgrips that I love).

    In any case thanks for the advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    That is hideous.

    I forgot why it was that I made that until Shayne came up with the pic. I bought that frame and it only had one WTB arm and I couldnt find another so I used a Suntour arm that operated on a different plane than the low-sitting (stiffer) WTB version. So, because of that, a regular roller cam wouldn't work with the two differing arms so I fab'd the toggle set up there to match up to the ~3mm of offset. I love to tinker with stuff. Someday I will have some nice machinery like DC, but for now its just a bunch of Park tools unfortunately.

    Since then Steve Potts gave me the one WTB arm I needed and all is good. Coincidentally, that particular bike was modified at one point on its BB shell (by Charlie I'm pretty sure) to run the offset cable allowing a toggle cam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Since then Steve Potts gave me the one WTB arm I needed and all is good. Coincidentally, that particular bike was modified at one point on its BB shell (by Charlie I'm pretty sure) to run the offset cable allowing a toggle cam.

    What bike is that?
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    The Phoenix Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Is your bike 1" or 1 1/8"?
    SSMike,
    My bike is 1 & 1/8"
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    some Phoenix pics showing some varying incarnations over time:

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    FatMike has a line on a togglecam so he doesn't need to try.
    Yes Bushpig, YOU are correct that I have access to a proper togglecam and I'll give you props on that, I was JUST askin' and I appreciate all of the knowledgeable answers from the troops!

    Don't go getting your Lycra Shorts in a ruffle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Yes Bushpig, YOU are correct that I have access to a proper togglecam and I'll give you props on that, I was JUST askin' and I appreciate all of the knowledgeable answers from the troops!

    Don't go getting your Lycra Shorts in a ruffle!

    Hahaha...BP got all nervous.
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    That bike looks like it rides well just standing there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Hahaha...BP got all nervous.
    Poor BP, he would make a really annoying girlfriend!

    But he has a *****in' bike collection and he does have access to cool stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Poor BP, he would make a really annoying girlfriend!

    But he has a *****in' bike collection and he does have access to cool stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Poor BP, he would make a really annoying girlfriend!
    Hahah. Totally. Sooo needy.
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    My WTB Phoenix...a work in progress...

    This recent acquisition is a work in progress...








    More photos to follow as the build continues...
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    Did you measure the headtube? Looks like a susp. corrected frame to me.

    Nice fork!

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    Quote Originally Posted by uphiller
    Patineto- Very smooth ride. I used to have a Halson PDS fork, and used a Ritchey Z-Max 2.35. As I recall, it touches the crown when the fork is near bottoming. I would check.
    Okay I'm getting Old.

    I can not even tell what kind of tires I install on my bikes anymore.

    The labels are far gone, but I think you are right and the tire is a 2,35 (it measure about 2.2) but after being around all this mega gigantic downhill tires this one just look tiny in reference.

    Well the important part is that the tire is not touching on the fork crown no matter how hard I try, I even when "Mini jumping" at the Golden gate park near the aquarium dropping from a 2feet platform to flat a few times and nothing happen.

    In any case thanks for having better eyes than I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    I can not even tell what kind of tires I install on my bikes anymore.
    In that case, the Ritchey Z-Max up front is also technically backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Did you measure the headtube? Looks like a susp. corrected frame to me.

    Nice fork!
    Steve had all the frame measurements for building this fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    This recent acquisition is a work in progress...

    More photos to follow as the build continues...

    All you really need is that 140mm rear hub right? The rest of the parts can't be that difficult to source.

    Build it up and get it on the trail as quickly as you can. You may just have to change your handle after.


    Its timeless in a sense that there isn't a modern hardtail made today that feels the way this bike does.
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    That built up blue Phoenix with SID fork looks so right. I'm not a fan of totally period correct bikes, because some modern stuff works better, in my opinion. How do you like that Thomson stem? I'm thinking about buying one for my Curtlo (1998; one of the last frames that Doug built in California. Does it belong in this forum?), but it might appear too chunky for a steel bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Did you measure the headtube? Looks like a susp. corrected frame to me.

    Nice fork!
    FB-I didn't personally measure it, but it does look a lot like your frame in your photos that is obviously suspension corrected-although I got this frame & fork from BP and he had the fork made by Steve Potts specifically for this frame, so I doubt they would both overlook that detail...See BP's reply below...

    Yeah it really is a nice fork
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    All you really need is that 140mm rear hub right? The rest of the parts can't be that difficult to source.

    Build it up and get it on the trail as quickly as you can. You may just have to change your handle after.

    Its timeless in a sense that there isn't a modern hardtail made today that feels the way this bike does.
    ...
    All you really need is that 140mm rear hub right? The rest of the parts can't be that difficult to source. ACTUALLY NO I DON'T HAVE A 140MM HUB OR WHEEL...I WAS PLANNING ON USING A 135MM PHIL WOOD BOLT-ON HUB WITH A SPACER, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS?

    Build it up and get it on the trail as quickly as you can. You may just have to change your handle after.
    I PLAN ON BEING BLOWN AWAY BY THE RIDE ON THIS BIKE BUT I'LL ALWAYS BE
    "FAT"

    Its timeless in a sense that there isn't a modern hardtail made today that feels the way this bike does. THIS HARDTAIL TO ME REPERESENTS A BRIDGE BETWEEN THE PAST AND CURRENT FRAME TECHNOLGY...IT WAS CRAFTED BY A PIONEER IN THE SPORT DESIGNED WITH THE RIDER IN MIND AND HAS SOME MODERN TOUCHES, SUCH AS THE GEOMETRY AND THE 1 & 1/8 HEAD TUBE, AS OPPOSED TO A 1" THREADED...
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    The Phoenix Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Steve had all the frame measurements for building this fork.
    I'm sure it's the correct fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    I'm sure it's the correct fork.
    ah, nevermind, but don't complain to me if it feels like a Bontrager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad
    That built up blue Phoenix with SID fork looks so right.
    That's the way it feels too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad
    How do you like that Thomson stem? I'm thinking about buying one for my Curtlo (1998; one of the last frames that Doug built in California. Does it belong in this forum?), but it might appear too chunky for a steel bike.
    The stem is fine, it is a little bulky. Maybe if the Phoenix didnt have the oversized tubing it would look even more bulky.

    Start a thread for your Curtlo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    ACTUALLY NO I DON'T HAVE A 140MM HUB OR WHEEL...I WAS PLANNING ON USING A 135MM PHIL WOOD BOLT-ON HUB WITH A SPACER, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS?
    Nope. You got it. Get a 5mm longer left end cap for your phil, re-dish the wheel and it's a 140 spaced hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Nope. You got it. Get a 5mm longer left end cap for your phil, re-dish the wheel and it's a 140 spaced hub.
    SSMike-You have a PM!
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    Hi,
    an info please,I bought my Phoenix used some months ago.
    But the frame has 135 mm rear space!!!!
    why???????????????
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by alasa
    Hi,
    an info please,I bought my Phoenix used some months ago.
    But the frame has 135 mm rear space!!!!
    why???????????????
    Thanks

    It's a Fhoenix (fake phoenix)

    Not sure if the last of the breed were 135mm....they might have been.

    Do you have pictures and a serial number?
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    Wtb

    Hello Eric,
    I think no fake,
    here a pix, serial number is 94301

    1" steer tube, U brake bosses, and I check rear spacing.

    Ciao
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    You could order one with 140 or 135 spacing. Mine is 135 but once I find a 140 grease guard cassette hub (the good one), I'll respace it to 140.

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    I dont Know, I think my frame is '94.
    I check rear space and it's 137 mm.
    So I can use 135 or 140 without problems, I hope!!

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by alasa
    Hello Eric,
    I think no fake,
    here a pix, serial number is 94301

    1" steer tube, U brake bosses, and I check rear spacing.

    Ciao
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    Very nice Phoenix!
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    Thank you Eric,
    but where can I find Phoenix history and difference betweene
    models, steer tube 1" or 1,1/8, cantilever or cam brake, cam brake in chainstay or in the seatstay.............
    Thanks
    Ciao
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    Found info at
    http://mombat.org/WTB.htm
    the 140 mm rear spacing born in '96 with 8 speed
    older frame are 135!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    You could order one with 140 or 135 spacing. Mine is 135 but once I find a 140 grease guard cassette hub (the good one), I'll respace it to 140.
    Well, I was wrong. Mine (1998) is 140 but had a 135 hub in it. Just got done respacing the XT hub from 135 to 140 and redishing the wheel. Ideally, I should have used a 5mm longer axle, but there's about 3.5mm of axle extending past the lock nut - sufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alasa
    Found info at
    http://mombat.org/WTB.htm
    the 140 mm rear spacing born in '96 with 8 speed
    older frame are 135!!

    I think it came along earlier than that as my '95 has 140 spacing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Well, I was wrong. Mine (1998) is 140 but had a 135 hub in it. Just got done respacing the XT hub from 135 to 140 and redishing the wheel. Ideally, I should have used a 5mm longer axle, but there's about 3.5mm of axle extending past the lock nut - sufficient.
    I just measured 3 newish frames and they all measure out at roughly 137mm - 138mm. One frame had a 140 hub and the other two had 135 hubs. Now who's confused...I'll stop talking with myself now.

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    I think I need one of those super tall, super long "Suntour XCPro + WTB" specific seat post, since the thompson I have is just not long enough, are they hard to find..??

    how much do they go for, if i ever find one..??

    Also I have a bunch of XC pro post already, can I just "add" a external sleeve of 7000series aluminum, in a similar way Steve did, or is something really special about them.

    I have not seeing one in years, I don't remember exactly how they where made, but i do remember they did look very rudimentary..

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    Take a number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    I think I need one of those super tall, super long "Suntour XCPro + WTB" specific seat post, since the thompson I have is just not long enough, are they hard to find..??

    how much do they go for, if i ever find one..??

    Also I have a bunch of XC pro post already, can I just "add" a external sleeve of 7000series aluminum, in a similar way Steve did, or is something really special about them.

    I have not seeing one in years, I don't remember exactly how they where made, but i do remember they did look very rudimentary..
    Mine was made by Charlie Cunningham. It is internally butted based on my frame size and has nice finishing where the XC Pro head was rivited on. It is very nicely made.

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    patineto: My..er I mean Mikes...is a 31.8mm post. I know they've varied between 31.6 and 31.8. I just checked the qbp website, and the 31.8 x 410 Thomson's aren't available any more. You may get lucky and find one used...or you can call up Thomson and see if they'll do one up for you again.
    Just a regular guy.

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    The Shannon brand from Germany does the 'Hard Core' post, here specced as 430mm, but they do 500mm as well. Nice feature is they were already available when your Phoenix was new, so period correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Mine was made by Charlie Cunningham. It is internally butted based on my frame size and has nice finishing where the XC Pro head was rivited on. It is very nicely made.
    I Fix it For you

    "Mine was made by Dave at DKG"


    Actually not that long ago I learn that ALL the famous Cunningham frames where actually welded by David too.

    Kind of sad if you asking , specially after the many times i congratulate charlie and lady wombat for the frames

    ps: yes he was part of the design process, for sure, but not the making or building of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    patineto: My..er I mean Mikes...is a 31.8mm post. I know they've varied between 31.6 and 31.8. I just checked the qbp website, and the 31.8 x 410 Thomson's aren't available any more. You may get lucky and find one used...or you can call up Thomson and see if they'll do one up for you again.
    Serendipitys are kind of fun..


    Actually a few months back I ask around here what type of frames will fit a 31.8mm seat post, since a friend of mine have two of them. (I was sure they where for Adroid's)

    Currently I'm running one of this 31.8 thompson post from Adam, but i still want to get a longer one, at least if do not cost me more than a complete bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    I Fix it For you

    "Mine was made by Dave at DKG"


    Actually not that long ago I learn that ALL the famous Cunningham frames where actually welded by David too.

    Kind of sad if you asking , specially after the many times i congratulate charlie and lady wombat for the frames

    ps: yes he was part of the design process, for sure, but not the making or building of them.
    You "fix" wrong bro. Mine was made by Charlie. He and I went back and forth on the details and the process.

    Most not All "Hams had some welding done with Dave. Charlie did finishing and heat treating. I am sad that it makes you sad Jacquie didn't do any of the frame building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Take a number.

    What....

    F^&K

    Are they that Hard to find

    I guess I better stop dreaming about it.

    Or maybe make my own, I have some good contacts at the "Easton tent pole lab" maybe I can ask a favor for a super fancy and light piece of tubing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elevation12,000
    The Shannon brand from Germany does the 'Hard Core' post, here specced as 430mm, but they do 500mm as well. Nice feature is they were already available when your Phoenix was new, so period correct.
    Thanks Senor for the link...

    My frame is a Titanium version, do the steel ones use the same diameter...!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    I Fix it For you

    "Mine was made by Dave at DKG"


    Actually not that long ago I learn that ALL the famous Cunningham frames where actually welded by David too.

    Kind of sad if you asking , specially after the many times i congratulate charlie and lady wombat for the frames

    ps: yes he was part of the design process, for sure, but not the making or building of them.
    And yet it still doesn't detract from the why the bike as a whole is still not any less desirable. Does it really matter if the guy who's name is on the frame didn't "make" every single aspect of the bike? If you have the resources available to you, why not use them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    I Fix it For you

    "Mine was made by Dave at DKG"


    Actually not that long ago I learn that ALL the famous Cunningham frames where actually welded by David too.

    Kind of sad if you asking , specially after the many times i congratulate charlie and lady wombat for the frames

    ps: yes he was part of the design process, for sure, but not the making or building of them.

    Like BP said, Dave G didnt do all of them, just some for a certain time period. Charlie was about function/performance, so if there was a better way, that's where it went.

    I also like how you said CC was part of the design process. He was the end all and be all of the design process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    You "fix" wrong bro. Mine was made by Charlie. He and I went back and forth on the details and the process.
    Upss sorry about, for sure you guys know far more about the topic than i do...

    Most not All "Hams had some welding done with Dave. Charlie did finishing and heat treating. I am sad that it makes you sad Jacquie didn't do any of the frame building.
    I was just sad because for many years (since 1987 or so) I imagine Charlie welding the frames at his dark leaky shed, but when I visit his house I never so a TIG welder around and I was to afraid to ask, Then a week ago taking with my friend JP and him at the shop (quoting some products I need to make) I found out he weld the frames too.

    Anyway for the last few days I was getting a "Gary fisher syndrome" about them, thanks for correcting me at least somehow.

    Jacquie didn't do any of the frame
    yes,, I did know she did not work on the frames, but emotional support sometimes count too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    I Fix it For you

    "Mine was made by Dave at DKG"


    Actually not that long ago I learn that ALL the famous Cunningham frames where actually welded by David too.

    Kind of sad if you asking , specially after the many times i congratulate charlie and lady wombat for the frames

    ps: yes he was part of the design process, for sure, but not the making or building of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Take a number.
    Well that was not that hard...

    I guess It pays to have connections but even more be nice to people..

    A old friend of mine in so-cal had one of this long seatpost and is on my way as we speak.

    I show you pictures when I get it, to see if the right thing (I don't see how it can not be)

    until monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    I guess It pays to have connections but even more be nice to people..

    Attach it to your motorcycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Attach it to your motorcycle.
    No Eric I only attach Crappy useless parts to my Moto, besides I will not like for Her to lose that special flavor of disarray that you enjoy so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Attach it to your motorcycle.
    Man.. A 18" shaft, almost 19 1/2" at the seat post clamps.


    With all the respect Charlie deserves, this post is not that well "put" together, just a couple of pins holding a masterful XC-pro seat post (one of the best designs ever in my opinion)


    Why do you need something so long puzzles me, is not like you need to run the seat directly from the bottom bracket, oh well.


    Hell, I'm going to try to make one my self and see what happen, but don't worry Eric i also know how to make things "Nice"

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    Man.. A 18" shaft, almost 19 1/2" at the seat post clamps.

    With all the respect Charlie deserves, this post is not that well "put" together, just a couple of pins holding a masterful XC-pro seat post (one of the best designs ever in my opinion)

    Why do you need something so long puzzles me, is not like you need to run the seat directly from the bottom bracket, oh well.

    Hell, I'm going to try to make one my self and see what happen, but don't worry Eric i also know how to make things "Nice"

    Nice pick up either way. Better than the Syncros post I have on mine.

    Unless you want to trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Nice pick up either way. Better than the Syncros post I have on mine.

    Unless you want to trade.
    Man Eric is any kind of Bike you DO NOT Have..

    No Thank you on the Trade.

    If the one I'm going to make works, I will sell this one and send the money to my friend or maybe return it to him.

    Will see.

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    Eh, worth a shot. I wouldn't trade with me either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    Man Eric is any kind of Bike you DO NOT Have..

    No Thank you on the Trade.

    If the one I'm going to make works, I will sell this one and send the money to my friend or maybe return it to him.

    Will see.
    Glad the good folks here were able to supply you with the necessary information to create your auction. You might want to check your spelling (yeah, I know English is not your first language, but geez at least spell "Cunningham" and "Phoenix" correctly). I assume everyone who contributed to your knowledge of this seat post will be getting a cut of the auction proceeds.
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    At least he didn't start a whole new thread to pillage info from first.
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    Here's my Pheonix

    I found mine on Ebay about 4 years ago for less than 600 dollars complete. It came with these extra parts: an American Classic seatpost, older WTB wheelset, Judy parts, new set of WTB tires, new set of Gripshift X-Rays, new set of WTB dual compound brake pads. Originally came with WTB titanium flat bars, cromoly threadless Salsa stem, Real brake levers, red Precision Billet rear derailluer, Specialized S-Works crankset, WTB New Paradigm bottom bracket. Titec seatpost and older WTB SST saddle.

    Missed spelled Phoenix on purpose, since that's how it was listed on Ebay. Maybe that's why only 2 people bidded on the bike.

    Best bike I have ever ridden. From local trails, Angeles Crest Forest to many parts in Mexico, great ride every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitram3k
    I found mine on Ebay about 4 years ago for less than 600 dollars complete. It came with these extra parts: an American Classic seatpost, older WTB wheelset, Judy parts, new set of WTB tires, new set of Gripshift X-Rays, new set of WTB dual compound brake pads. Originally came with WTB titanium flat bars, cromoly threadless Salsa stem, Real brake levers, red Precision Billet rear derailluer, Specialized S-Works crankset, WTB New Paradigm bottom bracket. Titec seatpost and older WTB SST saddle.

    Missed spelled Phoenix on purpose, since that's how it was listed on Ebay. Maybe that's why only 2 people bidded on the bike.

    Best bike I have ever ridden. From local trails, Angeles Crest Forest to many parts in Mexico, great ride every time.
    Great score. Still have the seatpost and wheelset - or perhaps those Judy parts

    That bike looks well ridden. WTB certainly built a classic!

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    I found mine on Ebay about 4 years ago for less than 600 dollars complete.
    Same year and looks like even the same size as mine (I really need to take some photos). Mine also came from e-bay, I gave $400 for the bare unbuilt frameset back in about 99. The guy I bought it from said it had been stored in his closet. He bought it to build up for an ex-girlfriend. Lucky for me, the girlfriend was gone before the bike was built. I made a deal with him off e-bay, at first he resisted but nobody was bidding so he took my offer and pulled the auction.

    Best bike I have ever ridden.
    I agree. The only bike I've ever really felt comfortable on in any condition or terrain.
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    Found an old picture of the dearly departed. Taken at the Dyke Trail trailhead in Crested Butte. Set up in the pic is with a Marzocchi Z-1 4" fork, XTR/sram 9.0sl/and big tires. Bestest 'all mountain' bike I've owned to date. As has been stated many times here already, the techy-er the trail gets, the better this bike gets. Just pure awesomeness.

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    What's everyone using as a seat post binder ont he Phoenix frames? My first try was a generic quick-release collar, taken apart and stuck through the welded on frame eyes. That wasn't tight enough so I ended up with a flat spot worn on an Am Classic post where it'd slide down. Since then I threaded a heli-coil into one side of the welded on eyes, and ran an M5 bolt through from the other side. That along with a new post fixed the problem, but it looks like crud and makes me wonder if others have run into the problem and what they did to fix it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob
    What's everyone using as a seat post binder ont he Phoenix frames? My first try was a generic quick-release collar, taken apart and stuck through the welded on frame eyes. That wasn't tight enough so I ended up with a flat spot worn on an Am Classic post where it'd slide down. Since then I threaded a heli-coil into one side of the welded on eyes, and ran an M5 bolt through from the other side. That along with a new post fixed the problem, but it looks like crud and makes me wonder if others have run into the problem and what they did to fix it.
    I just used an M900 seat qr. Worked fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitram3k
    Missed spelled Phoenix on purpose, since that's how it was listed on Ebay. Maybe that's why only 2 people bidded on the bike.

    Best bike I have ever ridden. From local trails, Angeles Crest Forest to many parts in Mexico, great ride every time.
    Aaah, thats why you got it for a song. Nice work!
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    My 98.

    Here is my 98. 140mm spacing and roller cam. Swapped parts out in 2002. My parents called her their daughter-in-law for many years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murd
    Here is my 98. 140mm spacing and toggle cam. Swapped parts out in 2002. My parents called her their daughter-in-law for many years.
    Very nice. Makes me regret not putting RC bosses on mine

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    When were RC mounts not an option?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Very nice. Makes me regret not putting RC bosses on mine
    I guess the last ones made had V-Brakes...Does anyone know who bought the Ti Phoenix from a person selling on Ebay over the summer, who literally hacked off the Roller-Cam mounts and had V-Brake mounts "welded" on? Boy was that a tragic looking frame!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    I guess the last ones made had V-Brakes...Does anyone know who bought the Ti Phoenix from a person selling on Ebay ovdr the summer, who literally hacked off the Roller-Cam mounts and had V-Brake mounts "welded" on? Boy was that a tragic looking frame!
    I heard that that one has been fixed and is now good as new. I hope whoever bought and fixed it posts it for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    I heard that that one has been fixed and is now good as new. I hope whoever bought and fixed it posts it for us.
    Dude-I thought that wasn't possible...you totally should've done the Roller Cam mount addition to your frame! Dang!
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    There are 2 other Phoenix frames cruising Prescott AZ right now. Both steel and standard standard brake bosses. I think they were ordered 99 and 2000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    I heard that that one has been fixed and is now good as new. I hope whoever bought and fixed it posts it for us.
    That's hilarious. Bushpig knows more about the status of my frame than I do.... guess I'll stop emailing Steve for updates and come to this forum.

    Yes, I'm the dope who spent too much on the hacked Ti Phoenix. The frame actually was in very good shape aside from the careless grinding off of the RC mounts. Steve found replacement decals for it and should now be building a fork to match. Maybe BP can give me the status of the fork.

    I'll be sure to post pics when the build is done, although that may be a while. Still need one more set of black roller cam brakes, and I know how eager all of you are to sell/trade a pair to me.

    Since it's my first post, I want to thank the regulars of this forum whose collective wisdom I have greatly appreciated since I started lurking about a while ago. I will try and repay this by posting some of my other bike builds that I think you'll like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fetor
    That's hilarious. Bushpig knows more about the status of my frame than I do.... guess I'll stop emailing Steve for updates and come to this forum.

    Yes, I'm the dope who spent too much on the hacked Ti Phoenix. The frame actually was in very good shape aside from the careless grinding off of the RC mounts. Steve found replacement decals for it and should now be building a fork to match. Maybe BP can give me the status of the fork.

    I'll be sure to post pics when the build is done, although that may be a while. Still need one more set of black roller cam brakes, and I know how eager all of you are to sell/trade a pair to me.

    Since it's my first post, I want to thank the regulars of this forum whose collective wisdom I have greatly appreciated since I started lurking about a while ago. I will try and repay this by posting some of my other bike builds that I think you'll like.

    I'd say you'll get along here juuuust fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fetor
    That's hilarious. Bushpig knows more about the status of my frame than I do.... guess I'll stop emailing Steve for updates and come to this forum.

    Yes, I'm the dope who spent too much on the hacked Ti Phoenix. The frame actually was in very good shape aside from the careless grinding off of the RC mounts. Steve found replacement decals for it and should now be building a fork to match. Maybe BP can give me the status of the fork.

    I'll be sure to post pics when the build is done, although that may be a while. Still need one more set of black roller cam brakes, and I know how eager all of you are to sell/trade a pair to me.

    Since it's my first post, I want to thank the regulars of this forum whose collective wisdom I have greatly appreciated since I started lurking about a while ago. I will try and repay this by posting some of my other bike builds that I think you'll like.
    I can't wait to see it. Steve has just finished refreshing a Ti Phoenix for me which I expect to see in the next few weeks. Steve does forks in batches so hopefully your fork batch will happen soon. You won't regret the wait once you have the bike together!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fetor
    That's hilarious. Bushpig knows more about the status of my frame than I do.... guess I'll stop emailing Steve for updates and come to this forum.

    Yes, I'm the dope who spent too much on the hacked Ti Phoenix. The frame actually was in very good shape aside from the careless grinding off of the RC mounts. Steve found replacement decals for it and should now be building a fork to match. Maybe BP can give me the status of the fork.

    I'll be sure to post pics when the build is done, although that may be a while. Still need one more set of black roller cam brakes, and I know how eager all of you are to sell/trade a pair to me.

    Since it's my first post, I want to thank the regulars of this forum whose collective wisdom I have greatly appreciated since I started lurking about a while ago. I will try and repay this by posting some of my other bike builds that I think you'll like.
    Fetor,

    Welcome aboard and I meant no disrespect, but that frame was really difficult to look at! It took a lot of courage to buy it and attampt to get it back to "normal", the person who sliced off the Roller Cam mounts and slop welded on those V-Brake mounts should hang their head in shame Glad to hear that it will be back in some good hands and look forwad to seeing photos soon!

    I know where you might possibly score 1 black WTB Roller-Cam brake, but it would involve assisting me in convincing the guy that I sold my 1987 purple Fat Chance to - to sell or trade it back to me...If I could only get that bike back I would consider taking the black WTB Roller-Cam brake off, swapping it out with a Suntour XC and then trading the WTB brake to you...my only hurdle is that I sold the bike in a moment of weakness back in 2002 to a bike hoarder and I'm pretty sure that the thing has just been hanging in a store room up north and probably hasn't even been ridden since it left my hands

    Send me a PM if you want to scheme up a way to score the Brake,

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    Fetor,

    Welcome aboard and I meant no disrespect, but that frame was really difficult to look at! It took a lot of courage to buy it and attampt to get it back to "normal", the person who sliced off the Roller Cam mounts and slop welded on those V-Brake mounts should hang their head in shame Glad to hear that it will be back in some good hands and look forwad to seeing photos soon!
    I agree, there was a bit of emotion tied to the final bid I made. Although, I did do some research like investigating the company he used to add the canti studs, and getting an opinion of a builder. But aren't those the projects that have the most potential upside... aside from the clueless guy selling his Phoenix on Craigslist for $175 (did one of you get that by the way?), or being an MTBR moderator. You should have seen the old Mustang convertible I brought back to life in high school... that took courage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    I know where you might possibly score 1 black WTB Roller-Cam brake, but it would involve assisting me in convincing the guy that I sold my 1987 purple Fat Chance to - to sell or trade it back to me...If I could only get that bike back I would consider taking the black WTB Roller-Cam brake off, swapping it out with a Suntour XC and then trading the WTB brake to you...my only hurdle is that I sold the bike in a moment of weakness back in 2002 to a bike hoarder and I'm pretty sure that the thing has just been hanging in a store room up north and probably hasn't even been ridden since it left my hands
    I can relate to your regrets about selling the Fat. That's the reason I bought the Ti Phoenix. I acquired a steel Phoenix a while ago, and sold it to pay for another project. I miss that bike.... a lot. Hence the "bit of emotion" when I bought the Ti Phoenix.

    I appreciate the help sourcing a roller cam set. I'll PM you to discuss it further.

    Also, thanks to Rumpfy and Bushpig for the warm welcomes. BP, I look forward to seeing your Phoenix as well.

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    Here is a mock up of my 97 Ti Phoenix. Hopefully I will get it built over the winter.


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    nice... looks really like new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Here is a mock up of my 97 Ti Phoenix. Hopefully I will get it built over the winter.

    sWeeT! That's going to be a nice riding bike!

    What is that bolt looking thing above the BB shell for and just curious, why did you choose that particular fork, is is based on travel and geometry and V-Brake, I'm assuming it wasn't the color?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    sWeeT! That's going to be a nice riding bike!

    What is that bolt looking thing above the BB shell for and just curious, why did you choose that particular fork, is is based on travel and geometry and V-Brake, I'm assuming it wasn't the color?
    Bolt is for an E-Type derailleur. The fork is a 65mm suspension, V brake and I had it so pretty much hit the tri-fecta!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Bolt is for an E-Type derailleur. The fork is a 65mm suspension, V brake and I had it so pretty much hit the tri-fecta!
    It's nice!
    Too bad the fork wasn't black are you going to do anything else blue and is this bike going to be period correct or are you going for function over fashion?
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    That thing is going to be tits. I like the electric blue.
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    i need a steel phoenix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    It's nice!
    Too bad the fork wasn't black are you going to do anything else blue and is this bike going to be period correct or are you going for function over fashion?
    I agree with Rumpfy, I think the blue looks pretty decent. The bike is from 97 and since I don't fee particularly sentimental about that time, I'm not going to go period correct with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Bolt is for an E-Type derailleur. The fork is a 65mm suspension, V brake and I had it so pretty much hit the tri-fecta!
    That fork sure has a lot of stanchion tube showing for 65mm of travel. I dig the electric blue look against the stark titanium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    That fork sure has a lot of stanchion tube showing for 65mm of travel. I dig the electric blue look against the stark titanium.
    Yea, I was thinking the same thing about the fork. It was billed as 65mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Yea, I was thinking the same thing about the fork. It was billed as 65mm
    your BB looks slightly too tall. as if the fork has 15mm more travel
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Yea, I was thinking the same thing about the fork. It was billed as 65mm

    The SIDs lowers have a slightly different (shorter) casting than the Judys leaving more stanchion showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob
    A terrible picture, but I never claimed to be a photographer
    That's actually quite a cool looking bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob
    Thanks, it rides better than it looks
    I'm sure it does!
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    Yesterday when I were shopping for Sinterklaas' chocolate letters I got a call my Phoenix is ready at the painter and I can pick it up. Will do that upcoming week. I am really looking forward.

    To fresh up your memory: This is how it looked when I got it =>



    Eek!

    I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elevation12,000
    Yesterday when I were shopping for Sinterklaas' chocolate letters I got a call my Phoenix is ready at the painter and I can pick it up. Will do that upcoming week. I am really looking forward.

    To fresh up your memory: This is how it looked when I got it =>



    Eek!

    I know.
    Why did you have it painted, was there any particular area where it was very rusty?
    Also, who is doing the paint for you and will there be original decals?
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    There was some underrusting visible under the paint. Repaint was necessary if I wanted to preserve this frame into the future. It was also an excuse to get rid of the red, as I am not a very 'red type of guy' generally. In particular not this red.

    I decided for a very deep gloss black with mousegrey lower section of the Type 2. Text DT and TT are sprayed on and will be in mousgrey with silver. ST and chainstay decal are in black-silver. I wanted this from the beginning. Of course I can't wait to head to the painter and see how this worked out.

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    Is this the type of "under rusting" that you saw on your frame?
    Here is my Phoenix and this "spidery rust" under the paint as well as a bunch of chips where you see bare steel on mine is leaning me towards a repaint:


    I was thinking of going all silver (like the fork is) via D+D mainly to preserve the frame from future rust issues...

    Anyone have any thoughts/advice??
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    Last week Lauren rode the Ti-Phoenix for the "Turkeyride" at Fairfax.


    When... I WalK my Ibis SS pretty much the whole way up since my old Sachs "new success" rear derailleur Hand made spring lost temper half way on the trip (i'm sure I did something wrong when I heat/cool it down) and the chainsuck was just to persistent to let me ride it. so for now on is back to the trusty M900 parts that never ever fail.

    We also found a sister along the way.


    I think Lauren is going to keep the Phoenix as one of her bike for now one, at least with the "funky" handlebars it fit her far better (Even if the effective top tube is almost 23" long) plus I guess i'm much to chubby and the frame flexes (B.B and rear end) far to much for my taste (much more than the Ibis and the Yo-Eddy's for sure)

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