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    Tell Me About this New Cunningham/Potts, Please!

    I've been waiting for more info or discussions about this build, but I haven't seen anything other than a few pics posted by Steve Potts and Mike from Black Mountain. Can anyone tell me more about this very special bike? I would rank this up there with one of my favorite all-time custom bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Ha! Ok, 3 months since that thread and still nothing. Although I had no idea there are 4! Not sure I understand the whole cloak and dagger treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    Not sure I understand the whole cloak and dagger treatment.
    What do you mean? Why it wasn't publicized or offered to the general public?
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    Some people are more low key about their bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    What do you mean? Why it wasn't publicized or offered to the general public?
    No, I meant it seemed like there were a lot of teasers in the other thread. But the overall tone seemed like no one was supposed to say anything about it.

    There's a lot of special things going on with that bike. I just wanted to learn a little bit more about it, that's all. I have no problem whatsoever if the owner(s) want to be low key.

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    i'm excited to share info about it, once i've ridden it. The bike is with steve still, and will need to go to Charlie for some tweaking and a new stem, steering limiter and a single chainring guide. I am beyond stoked to be a part of the project. The bars are also going to be changed, to the older model in 25.4, without the long reach and deep drop.
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    Nice 500th post right there.
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    Those are some sweet a$s garage doors.

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    Nice 28"er. Really nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger View Post
    No, I meant it seemed like there were a lot of teasers in the other thread. But the overall tone seemed like no one was supposed to say anything about it.

    There's a lot of special things going on with that bike. I just wanted to learn a little bit more about it, that's all. I have no problem whatsoever if the owner(s) want to be low key.
    Ah, gotcha. I think its a function of them not all being done and in the hands of their owners yet. I think Cursive's is the first to be pretty close to complete and as he said...still needs details sorted. The other problem is I think some of the owners might not be big forum guys/suck at the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cursivearmy View Post
    The bars are also going to be changed, to the older model in 25.4, without the long reach and deep drop.
    Hey Nate, are you talking about the old vs new RM-14s? I'm not sure there is much difference in reach and drop.

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    Their is a nice article about Steve and Charlie in the recent Mountain Flyer that talks about the project and it has better pictures of that first bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightshade_rider View Post
    Hey Nate, are you talking about the old vs new RM-14s? I'm not sure there is much difference in reach and drop.

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    The old ones that you have shown there are what I'm talking about, the 31.8 ones on the bike are different. Halaburt might have a better knowledge of what im talking about, as I shipped him these new 31.8 bars without comparing them to the 25.4 versions at my shop.
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    OMG. this bike is insane. New Cunningham/Potts? too good to be true...... almost. Must be close to 10k I bet.

    Total envy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williwoods View Post
    OMG. this bike is insane. New Cunningham/Potts? too good to be true...... almost. Must be close to 10k I bet.

    Total envy.
    Haha! 'Close to', thats funny.
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    wish I had that kinda coin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cursivearmy View Post
    The old ones that you have shown there are what I'm talking about, the 31.8 ones on the bike are different. Halaburt might have a better knowledge of what im talking about, as I shipped him these new 31.8 bars without comparing them to the 25.4 versions at my shop.
    I'm not sure the overall shape is that much different (new vs. old), but the new ones are narrower (51.5 vs 55.0cm). The DIA bike as pictured in Mountain Flyer was put together pretty quickly to meet the magazine's deadline. The new bar has the right (enough) look -- and would work out-of-the-box with a Ti stem that Steve had available. The final/real build of the DIA's will have custom stems that get the real bars in the exact right position for each owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Haha! 'Close to', thats funny.
    Give that money a big wet smooch when you hand it over because it's the last time you'll see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob View Post
    Give that money a big wet smooch when you hand it over because it's the last time you'll see it.
    Never been in the hunt but aren't old Cunninghams selling for over 10K?
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    so how much is this bike that we can't afford? i don't think it's a big secret, or is it?
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    It's not a production model where the price is set. It's a personal discussion between the builder and the buyer and it's weird to ask how much somebody paid for it.

    However, I have bought things from Charlie and Steve and, while expensive, they spend a lot of time on it. Charlie keeps an accurate timesheet on his time and charges for time spent and I found it more than fair. I would think the bikes cost more than 10k and comparing it to modern bikes that also cost that much, I would much rather spend it with those two men and make their lives more comfortable and marvel at the craftsmanship of their work every time I pass my hand across the top tube.

    I love the Ham and Potts that I have and I don't regret a dime that I've spent on their stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    It's not a production model where the price is set. It's a personal discussion between the builder and the buyer and it's weird to ask how much somebody paid for it.

    However, I have bought things from Charlie and Steve and, while expensive, they spend a lot of time on it. Charlie keeps an accurate timesheet on his time and charges for time spent and I found it more than fair. I would think the bikes cost more than 10k and comparing it to modern bikes that also cost that much, I would much rather spend it with those two men and make their lives more comfortable and marvel at the craftsmanship of their work every time I pass my hand across the top tube.

    I love the Ham and Potts that I have and I don't regret a dime that I've spent on their stuff.
    I would rather spend on them too .. but for other reasons; their bike is just better for my riding and won't be outdated when suspension parts get old, carbon looks old or a new standard makes finding a susp fork impossible.
    They could be repulsive, mean which they are not and yet that bike is still a nice buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    it's weird to ask how much somebody paid
    Well put.

    Looking at the new rags, it appears there are plenty of bikes selling out there for over 15K
    Seek: Koski Trailmaster. Breezer Series 2 or 3. Cunningham Racer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tductape View Post
    Never been in the hunt but aren't old Cunninghams selling for over 10K?
    I know of one that sold recently for the equivalent of $10k+, which seems to be the going rate now unless you get really lucky and the seller isn't in the VRC loop. Frankly, at that price I'd rather get one of the new ones that's custom built to fit me perfectly than buy an old one built for someone else, but that isn't an option so I'll go on hoping that someday a 'ham my size will fall out of the sky and land in my lap.

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    where is the other pics of that bike?

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    I know there are more in the MF article but I don't think there are others floating around online.

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    PVD's thread in the Frame Builders forum links to here:

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    Regardless of price... that is a work of art and it stirs the soul to see new Cunningham/Potts bikes being built.

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    Anybody spending five figures for a Cunningham needs mental help.












    This guy couldn't get a 30 cent an hour welding job in china.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE ARS View Post

    This guy couldn't get a 30 cent an hour welding job in china.
    Thank goodness he'll never need to... Is that Gatti? Really, dude?

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    You ain't kidding.

    This dude needs to stick to signing autographs at the MTB HOF. That bike is laughable, I thought my old TREK was shoddy but it looks like a Merlin next to that.

    Yup, that's my boy Arthur, dead like every other fighter I follow. I need to find a reckless up and comer with some power to get me back into the game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by THE ARS View Post
    You ain't kidding.

    This dude needs to stick to signing autographs at the MTB HOF. That bike is laughable, I thought my old TREK was shoddy but it looks like a Merlin next to that.

    Yup, that's my boy Arthur, dead like every other fighter I follow. I need to find a reckless up and comer with some power to get me back into the game.


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    Garbage! Now. If you hear of one, please pm me and only me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE ARS View Post
    That bike is laughable, I thought my old TREK was shoddy but it looks like a Merlin next to that.
    Your posts are pretty laughable too. Keep going!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Your posts are pretty laughable too. Keep going!
    Laughable..? Arturo Gatti may be the key here; tremendous heart, but not exactly a student of the sweet science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mainlyfats View Post
    Laughable..? Arturo Gatti may be the key here; tremendous heart, but not exactly a student of the sweet science.
    Offense is part of the sweet science.

    Back on topic, I'm an *******, I have no business telling anyone what to do with their money.

    Sorry.



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    Tom - it's distinctly possible you have a limited ability to see the actual quality of construction and depth of engineering in the Cunningham. A strong weld isn't only about looking pretty.

    Some of the top companies in the industry still rely on his advice, even on their most advanced designs. Perhaps your criticism is making you look a little naive...

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    Quote Originally Posted by richieb View Post
    Tom - it's distinctly possible you have a limited ability to see the actual quality of construction and depth of engineering in the Cunningham. A strong weld isn't only about looking pretty.

    Some of the top companies in the industry still rely on his advice, even on their most advanced designs. Perhaps your criticism is making you look a little naive...
    I don't think anyone questions the engineering, and from a distance the frame is really lovely. Up close, though, it is a different thing altogether. Working machinists, welders, and artists might look askance at those welds. In fact I showed them to a welder friend of mine and said they weren't the prettiest he had ever seen.

    Those look awful to me, too. I can't agree with your analysis of the comment about the welds. I am prepared to be educated, not cowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike View Post
    Those look awful to me, too. I can't agree with your analysis of the comment about the welds. I am prepared to be educated, not cowed.
    They do look bad. Realize though that when it comes to looks, many great welders are actually great grinders.

    With the paint off my WTB you can't even see the welds, but it's steel.

    I figure modern equipment is only about a crap ton better than what CC used when he welded those frames up too.
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