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    Specialized FSR MAX backbone

    Anyone remember what years they made the extruded MAX Backbone frame? At least 1 year they used chameleon paint on it. A friend had one of the welded tubing FSR frames that cracked, he got a MAX frame and rode the wheels off of it, I've got it now for when he comes to ride and it still rides great. Got a chance to pick one up, trying to ID it. Can't ride rigid in the rocks ALL the time.

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    I remember those! A guy at the shop I used to work got one of those. We waited and waited, finally showed up, that paint was so cool. I too rode the crap out of it. Enjoy!
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    Pretty sure it was 1997

    They offered an FSR Pro in a color called Cosmic, which was mostly black, but had mica or a prism in the paint or clear coat that gave it a rainbow reflection. There was also a fire engine red FSR Elite and a gloss black FSR LTD. All Max Backbones, all with USA built front ends, (probably from Anodizing Inc in Oregon) and most with USA built rear ends.

    The USA rear ends were grey instead of the Taiwan black, and used a larger OD tube for at least the seat stays. MRP used to make a brake mount that bolted to the outside of the OS seatstays and we used them in later years to upgrade these overbuilt frames. MRP also had a needle bearing kit and a long travel kit that came with a Stratos coil shock.

    With these upgrades, these frames remained trail performance-competitive until the into of the monocoque Enduro in 2001. From then on, the older Max bikes were merely competitive in terms of durability and craftsmanship.

    Anyone remember the C3, and the ensuing recall?

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    Nice!

    Dude, you gotta post pics of that thing. I just google searched it and came up with nothing.

    PS, I just found this cool smiley!


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    Quote Originally Posted by backpedal
    Anyone remember the C3, and the ensuing recall?
    Oh yeah, we had 2 customers waiting for those, had been for a while, then the plug got pulled.... Unhappy guys, they were Anyone have pics of the C3?
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    Thanks for the info! Yeah, the C3. I was selling Specialized back in those days but nobody tried to order one. I found reference to a 98 FSR Comp with "eggplant colored" changing paint in an old review. Anyone know if the bearing kits are still available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by azjeff
    Anyone remember what years they made the extruded MAX Backbone frame? At least 1 year they used chameleon paint on it. A friend had one of the welded tubing FSR frames that cracked, he got a MAX frame and rode the wheels off of it, I've got it now for when he comes to ride and it still rides great. Got a chance to pick one up, trying to ID it. Can't ride rigid in the rocks ALL the time.

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    The Max Backbone frames did come out in 97. They were extruded and welded at Anodizing Inc in Portland, Oregon, right up the street from Kinesis. The Mountainspeed guys were a mile or so south, on 1st St if I remember correctly. I would go to their small upstairs office for spings n things and to see what goodies they had. They had a couple of the red Elite series with the 6 inch MRP rear link and and gold Stratos dual crown forks. Those were some good times, DH racing at Mt Hood. And that reminds me of another bike from that time. A TiCycles URT DH bike.
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    Garners Pro Bikes in Palo Alto California

    We got a few of the C3's, and even sold a couple of them. When they were recalled, we had to get the two back, give the customers a refund, and then offer them their original parts, reinstalled on a Cosmic Max FSR frame at a discounted price.

    When Specialized got the recalled C3's back in house, both new and used, they were stripped for parts, and the parts were sold, first to employees, then to dealers that knew about them, then the rest at "garage sales" held at the Morgan Hill office. Garners got quite a few parts kits on several occasions, and we built up a bunch of FSR LTD's and Cosmics with the high end parts kits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azjeff
    Thanks for the info! Yeah, the C3. I was selling Specialized back in those days but nobody tried to order one. I found reference to a 98 FSR Comp with "eggplant colored" changing paint in an old review. Anyone know if the bearing kits are still available?

    I've got a '98 FSR Ground Control that is still getting the crap beaten out of it in Pisgah a couple times a week. As of a year ago you could still get bushing and bolt kits.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Wode
    I've got a '98 FSR Ground Control that is still getting the crap beaten out of it in Pisgah a couple times a week. As of a year ago you could still get bushing and bolt kits.



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    Funny you brought this back to the top. I just checked with a Specialized dealer and was told Specialized no longer stocks the bushing kits. Bikes too old. I passed on a MAX frame FSR because of it. You may want to troll your dealer to see if you can snag a kit that's in stock.
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    I still have my '97 FSR in Cosmic hanging on the wall in my office. The bushings went south so I replaced it with a '04 Epic Marathon. The paint has held up really well. It's partly stripped but still gets a lot of looks from people, especially when you explain that it's an extruded frame.

    Between the great colour shifting paint and all the fond memories of riding it, I just can't part with it. That, and my Flying V.

    As for the C3, I may have an old bike mag somewhere with an ad for it. I'll see if I can find it. And the C3 was definitely one sexy bike to look at.

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    yes '98 it was. I got one from my buddy its green looking one angle and eggplant the other. I have seen 2, both were from specialized employee deals.

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    My FSR MAX backbone - pics

    Here's my main ride. Still riding it today.

    Checkout the second pic (view from head-tube). It shows the 2 steel braces that runs the length of the inner frame. What makes the frame super stiff.

    It's a GREAT ride. Stable flying down the hills :-)
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    Funny this came back to the top. Last weekend I was unloading my temporary FS ride at the trailhead and what should cruise by on the street but a CHERRY FSR Pro max backbone bike. I chased the guy down in city park. Of Latino descent, he told me he bought the bike last year in Mexico City new. It had a Psylo fork, Avid mech disc, and different wheel out front but otherwise stock and like new, not a scratch. Before I could ask if he'd sell it he offered it up for $3200 DOLLARS. Seeing that bike being ridden around with the seat all the way down like any other homey on a WalMart BMX bike about made me cry.
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    I've had a couple, a stumpjumper and a rockhopper version myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    I've had a couple, a stumpjumper and a rockhopper version myself.

    D8, we're talking about the extruded frame model. They made them late 90s and were only called FSRs. The main boom starts at the headset as one piece is split and bent further back. Neat manipulation and strong. Never knew about the steel inside.
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    there was a max on ebay recently.i would have bid but need to sell a few things myself at the moment.for bushings,needle bearing upgrades and long travel kits check betd.co.uk.he has nice stuff.had a lt kit on an old fsr years ago.high quality a good guy to deal with.no problem shipping to the states.

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    models yrs of Max Backbone - PICS

    Jeff -

    To answer your original question. The Max Backbone was made for 3 years.

    1997 - simply called Ground Control FSR (red, cosmic green/purple)

    1998 - the moniker Ground Control was dropped. Came in Elite/Red, Pro/Black, LTD/Black).
    the LTD had an air shock and to lighten the bike

    1999 - Elite & Pro versions. The frames were silver annodized w/ stickers.

    Misc other variations used the frame.

    Hope this helps and raises the enthusiasm for this frame.
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    So is this one of them or not ?

    <img src="http://yoda.densan.ca/kmr/bikes/enduro1.jpg">

    And THIS looked pretty much like an extruded main tube also...

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    The blue bike isn't. The main tube is rectangular and 2 round tubes are welded into it. The black bike looks like one of the Rockhopper FSR frames, I thought it was 2 formed sides welded together but not sure. Never really looked at them. Look at the other pics. The tube starts as one piece at the headset and is split and bent apart and some gussets are welded in. The extrusion is 2 rectangular boxes stacked that are split at the back. The top of the extrusion is concave, the underside is convex. I've got a red Elite in the garage, belongs to a friend.
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    Max Backbone vs. other variants

    DeeEight,

    Jeff is right. Technically neither bike is the Max Backbone, but they are from the same era and heritage. Kind of like the Stumpjumper vs. Rockhopper ... similar characteristics but not the same. The parts used for the build were also of a lower line to save on costs.

    Although I never rode one, the blue bike (FSR Expert?) was suppose to quite nimble/light on the trails. The Max Backbone, while stiffer it's also a heavier frame (the downside).

    Regardless, all of these bikes are going the way of the dinasaur ... just another evolutionary link to the perfect bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40mtns
    DeeEight,

    Jeff is right. Technically neither bike is the Max Backbone, but they are from the same era and heritage. Kind of like the Stumpjumper vs. Rockhopper ... similar characteristics but not the same. The parts used for the build were also of a lower line to save on costs.

    Although I never rode one, the blue bike (FSR Expert?) was suppose to quite nimble/light on the trails. The Max Backbone, while stiffer it's also a heavier frame (the downside).

    Regardless, all of these bikes are going the way of the dinasaur ... just another evolutionary link to the perfect bike.

    Keep On Riding!

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    Uh, dinosaur yes. But still fun! I still ride my modified 1998 FSR (non MAX). The tubular frames were lighter, cheaper and strong enough for most things. The MAX frame had better stays, which improved upon a flexy rear end.

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    Anyone remember the head tube angle on this bike?

    I had a 98 Pro that I stripped to the frame and rebuilt with what I wanted....Bomber Z.1, King Hubs, Bontrager Mustang rims, DT Revo spokes, XTR, Race Face Cranks, etc... I got it down to 28lbs WITH the Vanillla RC coil shock!

    It was awesome and I kick myself everyday for selling it.

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    I rode a 97 Cosmic paint scheme (flip-flop in the auto painting world) until this spring when I replaced it w/ an Intense 5.5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mxer
    there was a max on ebay recently.i would have bid but need to sell a few things myself at the moment.for bushings,needle bearing upgrades and long travel kits check betd.co.uk.he has nice stuff.had a lt kit on an old fsr years ago.high quality a good guy to deal with.no problem shipping to the states.
    WOW, looks like they still make parts for this bike. I know this thread is really really old, but I am just stoked to find this thread and BETD.

    THANKS

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    Here's the green one

    Looks like the "Grabber Green" (paint name stolen from Ford?) one was the 1998 FSR Extreme
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    97 Cosmic available

    Had this one on ebay earlier this year, but did not sell it. Will sell frame with Risse rear end/shock. Have run this bike with either 150 mm (current Fox 36,~69 deg head angle) or 175 mm fork (nicer DH geometry).
    No bushing worries! All sealed bearing rear end which is no problem to find bearings for. This frame is STOUT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorino
    Had this one on ebay earlier this year, but did not sell it. Will sell frame with Risse rear end/shock. Have run this bike with either 150 mm (current Fox 36,~69 deg head angle) or 175 mm fork (nicer DH geometry).
    No bushing worries! All sealed bearing rear end which is no problem to find bearings for. This frame is STOUT.

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    I am trying to get more info regarding this bike. I have a 97 model with the longer DH rear end.

    Does anyone have any more information on the travel on these frames?

    IIRC, here is what they were in 97-99

    USA built MAX Backbone FSR=4.3" travel
    USA built MAX Backbone FSR DH=5.5" travel
    China built GC FSR=4.5" travel
    China built Ground Control (non-FSR)=~3" travel

    Does this sound correct?

    BTW, I think the MAX frame is increadibly innovative and it was an incredible set up. I don't really understand why the basic design went away, I think they are super strong, stiff and look really clean. I am not a big fan of some of the newer full suspension bikes (looks wise) and really don't get why they went away from these designs in general. Just my opinion.

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    That all sounds correct

    With the possible exception that the early Ground Controls were actually FSR's by definition, even if they did not say so on the frames.

    You can check the travel of your bike by replacing the rear wheel with felt tip marker tied to the rear drop out, moving your repair stand next to the wall, and running the suspension fully through its travel. Measure the mark on the wall, that's your travel. It helps to dump the air out of your shock, or remove the coil spring before trying this.

    I recall the travel on these bikes varying a little bit depending on which shock was in the frame, but is about what you state above.

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    Tooling costs

    The main frame on the Max Backbone bikes is an extrusion, which would be really expensive to tool up for. Kenesis did it at the time, for this bike as well as for Marin, and probably others, and from what I recall, when Specialized needed to move production off shore, it wasn't practical to retool a Taiwan factory to do this extrusion when molded, monocoque, and hydroform technology had come as far as it did. Modern frames are stronger and stiffer with less material, and thus less weight.

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    I had a 1998 FSR Pro. I loved that bike. It had a Fox Vanilla RC coil shock on it and it has 4.5" of rear wheel travel. I took the Manitou double triple crown fork off and put a Polished Marzocchi Bomber Z.1 (4"). That bike went up and down hill equally well and was PLLUUUSSSHHHH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by backpedal
    The main frame on the Max Backbone bikes is an extrusion, which would be really expensive to tool up for. Kenesis did it at the time, for this bike as well as for Marin, and probably others, and from what I recall, when Specialized needed to move production off shore, it wasn't practical to retool a Taiwan factory to do this extrusion when molded, monocoque, and hydroform technology had come as far as it did. Modern frames are stronger and stiffer with less material, and thus less weight.

    When I was working at a shop at the time, I was told by the specialized rep that the tooling was requiring a ton of maintainance because the materials were so strong and the extruded process was so intense. They ended up scraping it for this reason (I was told).

    As far as modern frames being "stronger, stiffer and lighter" do you really believe that or is that a fact?

    Stronger? Doubt it (my neighbor has gone though 3 Turner Freeride frames from failing and he only rides cross country, I Use to race my FSR down hill and NEVER had a problem).
    Stiffer? Maybe
    Lighter? Probably depends on what you are comparing it too, BUT mine is/was 25.5lbs with an old school front Hayes disc brake, Z.1 bomber (heavy fork), Long stroke Fox Vanilla Rx Coil over shock with piggy back (heavy compared to air sprung shocks). Granted everything else was super trick so I made up wt on that stuff, but I still don't think it is considered "heavy". BTW, I had a C3 before it was recalled, guess what, Specialized lied, this frame was lighter that the C3 and it had more travel.

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    I believe its a fact

    I think the Max Backbone frames weighed about 6 pounds with an air shock, and more with a coil shock. A Giant Trance X and Ibis Mojo each weigh about 5 pounds with 5 inches of travel, and the Blur XC Carbon is about 4.2 pounds.

    The MRP bearing kits and links were popular mods to the Max frames because they increased the ride quality, and durability, but also the frame weight.

    They are really nice frames though, and ahead of their time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backpedal
    I think the Max Backbone frames weighed about 6 pounds with an air shock, and more with a coil shock. A Giant Trance X and Ibis Mojo each weigh about 5 pounds with 5 inches of travel, and the Blur XC Carbon is about 4.2 pounds.

    The MRP bearing kits and links were popular mods to the Max frames because they increased the ride quality, and durability, but also the frame weight.

    They are really nice frames though, and ahead of their time.
    I should have mentioned that my frame is the 5.5" DH version. But you are probably right, I am sure they are a little heavier, but weight sure seems to be less of a worry now with all the travel, disc brakes, beefy wheels, big tires, triple clamps, etc......My 1997 "freeride/DH" bike is now considered more like an all mountain bike.

    Speaking of the bearing kits, can the MRP kits be found anywhere? Looks like BETD still makes kits, but they have to be shipped from england.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorino
    Had this one on ebay earlier this year, but did not sell it. Will sell frame with Risse rear end/shock. Have run this bike with either 150 mm (current Fox 36,~69 deg head angle) or 175 mm fork (nicer DH geometry).
    No bushing worries! All sealed bearing rear end which is no problem to find bearings for. This frame is STOUT.

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    Wow. I have a bike that looks just like that one. I have the Risse set up, Marz. 55 and the green or chamelion paint to boot. I ride the pizz out of this thing. It takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Wow. I have a bike that looks just like that one. I have the Risse set up, Marz. 55 and the green or chamelion paint to boot. I ride the pizz out of this thing. It takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. Cheers!
    What is a Risse set up? IIRC, Risse use to make shocks, is that what you are referring to, or do they do a linkage upgrade, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    What is a Risse set up? IIRC, Risse use to make shocks, is that what you are referring to, or do they do a linkage upgrade, etc...
    They do a whole rear triangle, shock, hex link, chainstay, seat stay. Really stout and adjustable.
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    I have an FSR

    Let's do this chronologically:

    - Last week I bought a cheap ($400) used moutain bike.
    - Today I rode on my first trail in 15 years
    - Today I registered on MTBR for the first time.
    - Right now, I came across this old ass thread!

    And this is my first post ever! The odds of me finding this post are just weird, because it just helped me identify this bike I bought.

    I'm guessing its an 98 FSR Elite Max Backbone. My bike has a Manitou Black 120mm shock, XTR dérailleurs and pedals, XT Cranks, Hayes Hydro Disc Brakes, Ahead headset, and some beefy Sun rims on XT Hubs. I don't think this is the factory configuration at all, but I found getting info on this bike to be very difficult. It rode great today, although I kept to Intermediate trails since I haven't ridden in over 15 years.
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    I noticed something here, doctorino and 1luckymonkey's pic's show their seat post's extending down through the seat tube on these frames. My frame does not allow this, any idea what the diff. might be? Anybody?
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    my elite doesnt allow the seatpost to go below the seatube too

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    Quote Originally Posted by islubio
    my elite doesnt allow the seatpost to go below the seatube too
    My frame is an Elite, maybe that has something to do with it. Idk.
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    starting in 98 they put a little tack weld in the seat tube to keep people from slamming the post down to the point where the shock would slam into it when the rear end compressed
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    10-4. Thanx Webertime.
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    yup mine's the 98 elite with the weld
    just took it to my local trail will post the pictures of my setup in awhile

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    here's the pictures to my FSR




    Specs :
    1998 FSR Ground Control Elite
    White Brother Vt 1.3
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    Front Tire Michelin Wide Gripper
    Rear Tire Schwable Little Albert
    XTR 951 V-Brake/Levers
    XTR 951 Crank with TI BB
    XTR 951 FD
    XT 760 Shifters and RD
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    Deity 760mm Handlebar

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    Wow. You got a great deal. Probably because how old the bike is. But it is still an awesome set up. I think the only thing From making that frame as good or better than a lot of modern frames is the lack of bearings at the shock pivots. It uses really tightly fit bushings instead. BETD still had bearing kits available for it and mountain speed still carries the "a link" bearing for it. I was looking to buy that kit when I found someone willing to sell a used one with the kit and a DH travel rear shock for $225 for the whole frame, betd link ($150 value), bearing kit ($175 value) and downhill long travel rear shock and disc brake adapter ($30-50 value). Now I plan to use this rear triangle to build up my mainframe and get exact what I want and then sell mine for a couple hundred bucks. Or maybe I will not get enough money for mine and just build it ip and let my daughter ride it around the block or use it for my "thrasher bike" to ride to he beach when I go surf?

    Yours looks like a 97 or 98 model. For sure the forks have been upgraded and he discs. Good job on the find. You are n fact one lucky monkey

    Quote Originally Posted by 1LuckyMonkey
    Let's do this chronologically:

    - Last week I bought a cheap ($400) used moutain bike.
    - Today I rode on my first trail in 15 years
    - Today I registered on MTBR for the first time.
    - Right now, I came across this old ass thread!

    And this is my first post ever! The odds of me finding this post are just weird, because it just helped me identify this bike I bought.

    I'm guessing its an 98 FSR Elite Max Backbone. My bike has a Manitou Black 120mm shock, XTR dérailleurs and pedals, XT Cranks, Hayes Hydro Disc Brakes, Ahead headset, and some beefy Sun rims on XT Hubs. I don't think this is the factory configuration at all, but I found getting info on this bike to be very difficult. It rode great today, although I kept to Intermediate trails since I haven't ridden in over 15 years.

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    Ok, I have a FSR LTD ground control and also says direct MAX drive, does anyone knows how to measure the size of the frame on this one? Thanks.

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    I beleive to measure that it's from the center of the bottom bracket to the top of the seat tube. Correct me if I'm wrong. My frame reads 19".
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    Thanks men, that was really helpful. I guess I will need to change the handlebar stem.

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    Nice rides guys
    Here's mine
    - '98 FSR GroundControl Comp frameset
    - MS upgrade link kit + Strato shock (6" travel)
    - Manitou Sherman '05 (6" travel)
    - Cook Bros. crank + titanium 44t
    - Crank Bros "egg beater" pedals
    - XT shifters
    - Hayes nine 6" front
    - Avid v-brakes back
    - HED rim back
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    Here is my old school 1997 Specialized FSR DH with a bunch of older parts (probably should post in the "vintage section". I think EVERYTHING on this bike is 2000 model year or older). Funny how this frame use to be considered a "DH" frame and now it probably wouldn't even really be considered a true AM bike, but its what I ride all over the mountains. The bike was painted back when everyone was still using "glossy" paint compared to all the matte finishes you see out there today.

    * Frame Size (Color): Medium, Custom powder coated, BETD bearing kits at all pivots
    * Fork: Marzocchi Bomber Z1 BAM 1997 4" travel
    * Rear Shock: Fox Vanilla Rx 6.5" X 1.5" stroke, 4.5" actual travel with stock link (5.25" claimed). BETD link added 4.5"/5.6"/6.75" travel options
    * Brakes: Hayes Disc the originals, not sure what they were called? (F), Shimano XTR (R)
    * Cranks: Caramba Double Barrel Cranks with Ti BB
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Shifters: Shimano XTR M952 3x9
    * Chain: Shimano XTR
    * Pedals: Speedplay Frog Ti
    * Stem: Race Face System 115mm / 10deg
    * Handlebar: Avitar hi-rise
    * Seatpost: Synchros Ti
    * Saddle: Serfas Lola Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Ti-can't remember brand
    * Cassette: Shimano XTR 9
    * Headset: Cheap FSA (the one area I could never justify dumping a bunch of money into, sorry Chris)
    * Grips: Yeti
    * Front Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Front Rim: Mavic 217
    * Front Hub: Hayes by Hugi/DT Disc hub
    * Rear Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Rear Rim: Mavic 217
    * Rear Hub: WCW (Wasatch Cycle Works) Carbon Fiber shell
    * Titanium Bolt kits on practically every place possible, triple butted spokes, alloy nipples, Ti non-QR skewers.
    * Weight: 26.5lbs (But gaining weight real soon, see below)

    Just purchased an old shool rear Hayes brake for the rear to replace the XTR-V, used 5" Marzocchi Z1 BAM Bomber with lockout (to replace the 4" bomber), REAL Rear disc hub, 203mm Alligator front disc, 160mm Alligator rear disc, looking for a shorter stem. More pics to follow when build up is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaos777
    Nice rides guys
    Here's mine
    - '98 FSR GroundControl Comp frameset
    - MS upgrade link kit + Strato shock (6" travel)
    - Manitou Sherman '05 (6" travel)
    - Cook Bros. crank + titanium 44t
    - Crank Bros "egg beater" pedals
    - XT shifters
    - Hayes nine 6" front
    - Avid v-brakes back
    - HED rim back
    That is an FSR, but not a MAX Backbone frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH


    Here is my old school 1997 Specialized FSR DH with a bunch of older parts (probably should post in the "vintage section". I think EVERYTHING on this bike is 2000 model year or older). Funny how this frame use to be considered a "DH" frame and now it probably wouldn't even really be considered a true AM bike, but its what I ride all over the mountains. The bike was painted back when everyone was still using "glossy" paint compared to all the matte finishes you see out there today.

    * Frame Size (Color): Medium, Custom powder coated, BETD bearing kits at all pivots
    * Fork: Marzocchi Bomber Z1 BAM 1997 4" travel
    * Rear Shock: Fox Vanilla Rx 6.5" X 1.5" stroke, 4.5" actual travel with stock link (5.25" claimed). BETD link added 4.5"/5.6"/6.75" travel options
    * Brakes: Hayes Disc the originals, not sure what they were called? (F), Shimano XTR (R)
    * Cranks: Caramba Double Barrel Cranks with Ti BB
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Shifters: Shimano XTR M952 3x9
    * Chain: Shimano XTR
    * Pedals: Speedplay Frog Ti
    * Stem: Race Face System 115mm / 10deg
    * Handlebar: Avitar hi-rise
    * Seatpost: Synchros Ti
    * Saddle: Serfas Lola Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Ti-can't remember brand
    * Cassette: Shimano XTR 9
    * Headset: Cheap FSA (the one area I could never justify dumping a bunch of money into, sorry Chris)
    * Grips: Yeti
    * Front Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Front Rim: Mavic 217
    * Front Hub: Hayes by Hugi/DT Disc hub
    * Rear Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Rear Rim: Mavic 217
    * Rear Hub: WCW (Wasatch Cycle Works) Carbon Fiber shell
    * Titanium Bolt kits on practically every place possible, triple butted spokes, alloy nipples, Ti non-QR skewers.
    * Weight: 26.5lbs (But gaining weight real soon, see below)

    Just purchased an old shool rear Hayes brake for the rear to replace the XTR-V, used 5" Marzocchi Z1 BAM Bomber with lockout (to replace the 4" bomber), REAL Rear disc hub, 203mm Alligator front disc, 160mm Alligator rear disc, looking for a shorter stem. More pics to follow when build up is done.
    That's a badass lookin bike you got there bro. I'm trying to get some pic's of mine to put on here. I dig these bikes.
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    I have one I think I got in '99. It's an FSR Pro. It has few hours on it and I'm thinking about selling it, because I have too many bikes and frankly ...I'm getting to an age that my body won't take half of what this frame will!

    It's really almost new looking and the SID seals are still in great shape. I'm going to pull the XT discs off and put the original brakes and rims back on and return it to stock config.

    Anyone have an idea of what it's worth??? I think after Specialized stopped selling the bikes, they sold the frames for several years......$1500 for the frame I think.

    BTW ...the frames were not measured in inches. they were simply sold as small, medium and large
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    This thread is kinda old but I'm wondering if anyone out there has one of these Max backbone frames they'd be willing to part with? I'm thinking about replacing the frame on my '98 GC FSR Comp and want to keep it old-school. Anyway, just thought I'd check. Let me know. Thanks!

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    Hey Chipmunk,
    I'm interested in selling mine... it's the one in the post before yours.
    I took the disc's off and put the v-Brake back on ...but have the rear bracket if you what to go back to disc. I'm selling the whole bike, not just the frame though. But it's almost brand new and I'm not too far up the coast from you in the Bay Area

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    This thread is kinda old but I'm wondering if anyone out there has one of these Max backbone frames they'd be willing to part with? I'm thinking about replacing the frame on my '98 GC FSR Comp and want to keep it old-school. Anyway, just thought I'd check. Let me know. Thanks!

    Alvin Caragay
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    Hey Alvin, Risse had some of these frames for sale when he was still here in Redding. If you had good luck with him before maybe give him a try on one of these, just a thought.
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    Actually I do have a spare (I say spare because I have 2 and want to keep the other, I love this frame). It has been modernized, in that it has: new paint and stickers, longer travel (Manitou coilover 1.75" rear shock with adjustable rebound and compression. This results in rear travel in the 5" range), Brand new A2Z rear disc brake adapter. Also new pivot bushings installed as well as a spare set all the way around. BETD main pivot needle bearing kit (retails for $75). Send me your email and I can send pics. I am In SoCalif. It is a 1999 edition, which is the last MAX backbone frame Specialized built.
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    I have a 97 FSR Ground Control Comp that I looking to do a few upgrades to. Does anyone still offer any spare or upgrade parts for these frames.

    Thanks
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    BETD out of the UK has several bearing kits for the frame. I was looking at getting them for my '97 now that I've decided to re-build it.

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    BETD makes some great stuff for this frame (plus they have great service). On my main frame, I ended up getting the BETD adjustable linkage, and all pivots are BETD. I am not sure it is worth the cost for each pivot (each being $50-75 depending on pivot) so I ended up just getting the main pivot needle bearing kit on my spare frame. I do really like their stuff though, but it adds up pretty quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJon
    I have a 97 FSR Ground Control Comp that I looking to do a few upgrades to. Does anyone still offer any spare or upgrade parts for these frames.

    Thanks
    Try Risse Racing.com
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    Thanks for the replies OverDaBar, Skip, and RodH.
    ODB...thanks, but i'm really only looking for the frameset only. Don't need the rest of the stuff as I have my '98 FSR Comp modernized a bit with some Marzocchi Junior T forks, a Risse Hex Link, Vanilla R shock, and a Race Face Diabolus Crankset. I pretty much just want to swap all my stuff onto a Max backbone frame to keep costs down. Here's how she looks right now (pic is from before I installed the Risse Hex Link):



    Skip...thanks for the tip. Will try giving Kevin Risse a call on monday to see if they still have any of them for sale...

    RodH...PM'd you my email address...

    JoJon...I second Skip Canfield's suggestion of Risse Racing. They don't have much info on their website, but they make a replacement longer travel rear link (Hex Link) as well as a complete, modular replacement rear triangle (includes sealed bearings). I recently added the hex link to my FSR Comp and from just the hex link I noticed a difference in the feel of the rear suspension. It is notably more plush...even with the same shock (a 6.5" i2i Fox Vanilla R). Depending on how things progress with the leads I have on a "new" frame, my fairly new Risse Hex Link just might be for sale soon...

    Anyway, thanks again guys. Hoping to join the ranks if the Max Backbone owners soon. It's times like this that I really wish I had just plunked down the extra cash back in '98 for an FSR Elite instead of my FSR Comp. Oh well...c'est la vie...

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    Well hopefully you'll soon be Bad with da Bone!
    Then you have to do something about that rear brake. I've tried some of the newer setups, but nothing modulates like those old 2 piston XT's. I think they stopped production because they were too expensive to make.... like the frame. Sometime retro is a good thing

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    how much do the Risse rear triangles cost? (not the link or shock)

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    RodH...Risse sells just the chainstays or just the seatstays of their modular rear end seperately for $198 each (the Hex Link is also $198). Or, I think they do a package price of $350 for both the chain and seat stays. The seat stays have a rear disc mount designed into it as well, which is one of the main reasons I am interested in their rear end. They also come with ball bearings at all the pivots as well. Hope this answers your question...
    Oh, and I got your email and will be replying shortly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Thanks for the replies OverDaBar, Skip, and RodH.
    ODB...thanks, but i'm really only looking for the frameset only. Don't need the rest of the stuff as I have my '98 FSR Comp modernized a bit with some Marzocchi Junior T forks, a Risse Hex Link, Vanilla R shock, and a Race Face Diabolus Crankset. I pretty much just want to swap all my stuff onto a Max backbone frame to keep costs down. Here's how she looks right now (pic is from before I installed the Risse Hex Link):



    Skip...thanks for the tip. Will try giving Kevin Risse a call on monday to see if they still have any of them for sale...

    RodH...PM'd you my email address...

    JoJon...I second Skip Canfield's suggestion of Risse Racing. They don't have much info on their website, but they make a replacement longer travel rear link (Hex Link) as well as a complete, modular replacement rear triangle (includes sealed bearings). I recently added the hex link to my FSR Comp and from just the hex link I noticed a difference in the feel of the rear suspension. It is notably more plush...even with the same shock (a 6.5" i2i Fox Vanilla R). Depending on how things progress with the leads I have on a "new" frame, my fairly new Risse Hex Link just might be for sale soon...

    Anyway, thanks again guys. Hoping to join the ranks if the Max Backbone owners soon. It's times like this that I really wish I had just plunked down the extra cash back in '98 for an FSR Elite instead of my FSR Comp. Oh well...c'est la vie...

    Alvin Caragay
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    With a Risse rear triangle and a Max Backbone frame that bike would look awsome. Let me know how it goes.
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    Here's the run down on my 1997 Specialized FSR DH. My wife got me the frame and fork from Supergo (remember them) for my birthday in 97, at the time I was riding a 94 stumpy and just transferred all the parts over. Over time I've done some upgrades, I added a rear disc with the help of a A2Z adapter and this is how I ride it now.

    Frame Size : Large,
    Fork: Rockshox Revelation Maxle Lite Dual air, 140mm travel, 20mm axle
    Rear Shock: Fox Vanilla Rx 6.5" X 1.5" stroke
    Brakes: BB7's 185mm Discs
    Cranks: Shimano DX
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    Shifters: Shimano XTR 3x8
    Chain: Shimano XTR
    Pedals: Shimano DX PD-M636
    Stem: Kalloy UNO
    Handlebar: Avitar hi-rise
    Seatpost: Ritchey
    Saddle: WTB Speed V Comp
    Bottom Bracket: Ti
    Cassette: Shimano XTR 8
    Headset: Cane Creek S2
    Grips: Chumba
    Front Tire: Specialized Resolution 2.1"
    Front Rim: Sun Rhyno Lite
    Front Hub: Formula alloy 20mm hub
    Rear Tire: The Captain 2.0" tubeless
    Rear Rim: Sun Rhyno Lite
    Rear Hub: Shimano XT
    Weight: 32.2lbs

    Next up I'd like to add a Risse rear triangle and Hex Link or if I can find a Mountain Speed link and rear triangle and also upgrade the rear shock. So if anyone has or knows someone that has any of these parts for sale, please send them my way.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    With a Risse rear triangle and a Max Backbone frame that bike would look awsome.
    Exactly what I was thinking...

    So, JoJon's post got me thinking...what exactly is the difference between the other Max Backbone FSR's and the DH version? I know a previous post in this thread stated that the rear travel was longer on the DH (5.5" I believe), but how does the DH version achieve that extra travel? Longer shock perhaps? Is the main frame actually different in some way? Or Is the rear triangle actually different? Anyone know? Just curious. Thanks.

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    JJ, Cool bike. That is the exact same frame and rear shock that I have (until I powdercoated it orange and blue). I have the BETD link, BETD needle bearings and the MRP rear Disc adaptor (which is more of a clamp style, I also have an A2Z which are getting harder to find, but my caliper bolts straight to the MRP). The actual DH frames were even more rare. People don't realize it, but these frames were OVERRATED as far as travel goes, they were supposed to get 4.5" of travel, but they really only got 3.75" (3.75 with the 1.25" stroke shock). The DH version had a better rear shock and 1.5" stroke which is claimed to be 5.5" travel, but in reality only got 4.5". You have the 97 DH version just like I do with the Fox Vanilla Rx with piggyback. Easily the best shock of its time and still a very good unit. I added the BETD link for more adjustability.

    I would love to get a Risse rear end, I am just not sure it is worth dumping a bunch of money into, especially since I already have the BETD rear link, and BETD needle bearings at all pivots.

    The other frame I have just got painted and is more of the matte finish in black and red. It is a 1999 DH frame. It uses an extra gusset at the head tube (now it has one at the bottom and one at the top). IT also has a really nice Manitou rear shock with, IIRC, 1.5 or 1.75" stroke and around 5" of actual rear travel with the stock link. This frame with the shock is designed for a longer travel front fork, like everyone is using today (5-6" travel), the geometry would be all screwed up with a 4" or less travel front fork. I might put it on ebay, or here to sell, but a part of me still wants to just build it up and use it for a thrasher bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoJon


    Here's the run down on my 1997 Specialized FSR DH. My wife got me the frame and fork from Supergo (remember them) for my birthday in 97, at the time I was riding a 94 stumpy and just transferred all the parts over. Over time I've done some upgrades, I added a rear disc with the help of a A2Z adapter and this is how I ride it now.

    Frame Size : Large,
    Fork: Rockshox Revelation Maxle Lite Dual air, 140mm travel, 20mm axle
    Rear Shock: Fox Vanilla Rx 6.5" X 1.5" stroke
    Brakes: BB7's 185mm Discs
    Cranks: Shimano DX
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    Shifters: Shimano XTR 3x8
    Chain: Shimano XTR
    Pedals: Shimano DX PD-M636
    Stem: Kalloy UNO
    Handlebar: Avitar hi-rise
    Seatpost: Ritchey
    Saddle: WTB Speed V Comp
    Bottom Bracket: Ti
    Cassette: Shimano XTR 8
    Headset: Cane Creek S2
    Grips: Chumba
    Front Tire: Specialized Resolution 2.1"
    Front Rim: Sun Rhyno Lite
    Front Hub: Formula alloy 20mm hub
    Rear Tire: The Captain 2.0" tubeless
    Rear Rim: Sun Rhyno Lite
    Rear Hub: Shimano XT
    Weight: 32.2lbs

    Next up I'd like to add a Risse rear triangle and Hex Link or if I can find a Mountain Speed link and rear triangle and also upgrade the rear shock. So if anyone has or knows someone that has any of these parts for sale, please send them my way.

    Thanks,
    JJ

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    Longer stroke rear shock and better shock. The main frame also has some extra bracing/gusseting.
    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Exactly what I was thinking...

    So, JoJon's post got me thinking...what exactly is the difference between the other Max Backbone FSR's and the DH version? I know a previous post in this thread stated that the rear travel was longer on the DH (5.5" I believe), but how does the DH version achieve that extra travel? Longer shock perhaps? Is the main frame actually different in some way? Or Is the rear triangle actually different? Anyone know? Just curious. Thanks.

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    You guys know that the actual DH frame looks a bit different than the FSR frame, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    You guys know that the actual DH frame looks a bit different than the FSR frame, right?
    Looks pretty much the same until 1999/2000. Then they changed it and they don't have the seat stay (for the front derailler) and the monocoque looks slightly different. The rear triangle is more beefy as well. They are usually white.

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    I'm looking for a pic of one right now,but they also had a hole just below the seat tube and really other than that they lokked the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    I'm looking for a pic of one right now,but they also had a hole just below the seat tube and really other than that they lokked the same.
    here it is: http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=18247

    http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18188

    that is the "TEAM DH" bike. I was buddies with Todd Tanner, a DH racer for Specialized back in the day. These were only team bikes, then IIRC, in 1999 or 2000 they did a limited production run. They only go for around $400-500 on the used market which in another reason why I think spending $350+ for the risse rear isn't the wisest thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    here it is: http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=18247

    http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18188

    that is the "TEAM DH" bike. I was buddies with Todd Tanner, a DH racer for Specialized back in the day. These were only team bikes, then IIRC, in 1999 or 2000 they did a limited production run. They only go for around $400-500 on the used market which in another reason why I think spending $350+ for the risse rear isn't the wisest thing.
    Thats the frame I was thinking of, good job sir. Tell me, whats the purpose of the hole in the frame? You think a Risse equipped DH frame would be cool.? I'm kinda partial to Kevin's (Risse) bike parts,but I do think they make the rear sus. really plush. Give um a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Thats the frame I was thinking of, good job sir. Tell me, whats the purpose of the hole in the frame? You think a Risse equipped DH frame would be cool.? I'm kinda partial to Kevin's (Risse) bike parts,but I do think they make the rear sus. really plush. Give um a try.
    I honestly have no clue what the hole is for. The Risse rear isn't going to be any more plush than my rear with the BETD needle bearings, but it is meant to be stiffer and provide the disc brake tabs. I would MUCH rather have that DH team frame than a stock frame with a Risse rear end. A team DH frame was sold on ebay last month totally built up with all parts for like $450, the problem was that the guy wanted $150 shipping, so it didn't make sense for me.

    Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/Specialized-Team...Mountain_Bikes

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    That bike is badass, I'd ride it. The rearend does look beefy. That is the frame that I spoke of though. I appreciate your time showing me this stuff. I'm always looking to get more info on these bikes. I've been riding the FSR frames now since "01" and I really like the way it rides.
    I am having some issues with the Astro-5 rear shock, so I'm thinking about moving over to Fox and trying out one of their Dhx or Van shocks. Thanks again.
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    OK, so I just finally got it built up and weighed it (I know, we aren't supposed to care). 27 pounds!!! I think that is pretty light considering it has old school 5" travel front Marzocchi Z1, 4.5/5.625/6.75" travel rear with a COILOVER rear shock (heavy), dual disc brakes (that I had to add a rear bracket for) and a needle bearing kit (weighs more than the bushings). The bike was 25.5, but I added the rear disc brake system, bracket, needle bearings, linkage, and went from a 4" to a 5" travel Marzocchi. Considering all I added, I guess 2 pounds isn't bad. I still have about 25 Ti Bolts I can add to the bike as well.

    It cost me a LOT more money and work than I thought when I had the idea origionally, but that is how it always seems to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    OK, so I just finally got it built up and weighed it (I know, we aren't supposed to care). 27 pounds!!! I think that is pretty light considering it has old school 5" travel front Marzocchi Z1, 4.5/5.625/6.75" travel rear with a COILOVER rear shock (heavy), dual disc brakes (that I had to add a rear bracket for) and a needle bearing kit (weighs more than the bushings). The bike was 25.5, but I added the rear disc brake system, bracket, needle bearings, linkage, and went from a 4" to a 5" travel Marzocchi. Considering all I added, I guess 2 pounds isn't bad. I still have about 25 Ti Bolts I can add to the bike as well.

    It cost me a LOT more money and work than I thought when I had the idea origionally, but that is how it always seems to go.
    27 lbs? Damn, my bike weighs (cough) 38lbs. 6" travel front/rear, heavy wheel set, basically beefy everything. But I love to ride it.
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    A lot of great info guys, on the topic of rear triangles . Is it possible to mount a later year rear triangle with a disc mount to a backbone frame????

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJon
    A lot of great info guys, on the topic of rear triangles . Is it possible to mount a later year rear triangle with a disc mount to a backbone frame????

    This gets extremely confusing because specialized changed the main pivots on the 1999 model. I learned this the hard way when I was purchasing the bearing kits. My understanding is that the 1999 has the same pivots as some of the newer (non-monoque style) frames. I am not sure of the details though, other than those newer rear triangles will not work with anything older than 1999, and there are some linkages that can work back and forth as well.

    If you look at this site, it gives you a bit of info: http://www.mountainbikecomponents.co...s+and+Upgrades

    Looks like the linkages from the 00-01 enduro works with the FSR from 97-99.

    Also here is some info regarding the bearing kits, notice the 1999 main pivot is NOT listed on the bearing kits, it uses a different main pivot, I had to have them do seperately: http://www.mountainbikecomponents.co...s+and+Upgrades

    It can get really confusing, if you get parts for one of these frame, just look at the serial number under the BB and it will start with a 97.......... or 98..........., which indicates the model year, and call the company you are going to order parts from and give them the exact year.

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    Interesting. Never noticed the added gusseting above the head tube on the later DH frames. Also looks like the chain stays are made slightly differently as well. From one of the pics I saw it looked like the chain stays were made out of round tubing instead of the rectangular tubing used on the other versions. Or, it might have just been how the pic looked...

    Anyway, here's a more recent pic of my FSR Comp that's in need of a Max Backbone makeover after some new wheels/tires and the Risse Hex Link :


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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    Interesting. Never noticed the added gusseting above the head tube on the later DH frames. Also looks like the chain stays are made slightly differently as well. From one of the pics I saw it looked like the chain stays were made out of round tubing instead of the rectangular tubing used on the other versions. Or, it might have just been how the pic looked...

    Anyway, here's a more recent pic of my FSR Comp that's in need of a Max Backbone makeover after some new wheels/tires and the Risse Hex Link :

    looks good with those wheels and link. Also notice that you brake stays are much different than the Max version of the FSR. It is stronger and stiffer with more CNC parts at the A-link and next to the linkage.

    Also, you need to throw on a rear disc.

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    I know I've said it before but, I sure do like the way these bikes look no matter what.
    Hey Alvin was that bike blue when you started?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH
    looks good with those wheels and link. Also notice that you brake stays are much different than the Max version of the FSR. It is stronger and stiffer with more CNC parts at the A-link and next to the linkage.

    Also, you need to throw on a rear disc.
    Yeah, the Max seat and chain stays definitely look to be beefier than mine. One more reason to switch to a Max frame. And I'm definitely working on the rear disc. That's next on the list...

    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    I know I've said it before but, I sure do like the way these bikes look no matter what.
    Hey Alvin was that bike blue when you started?
    I totally agree. Some people find them kinda ugly, but I love em! My non-Max FSR Comp was actually Mango colored when I rolled it off the showroom floor of Performance Bike Shop in Baltimore back in '98. I REALLY wanted the FSR Elite right next to it but just couldn't afford it at the time.
    I rode the Comp bone-stock for that summer and once the weather turned cold I stripped all the parts off of it, stripped the paint, and hand sanded and polished the frame. I kinda like it polished but I have different plans if I go the Max Backbone route...
    I still love the way this non-Max frame rides in it's current state. My main concern with it is the added stress the longer fork/slacker head tube angle put on the frame. I figure the Max frame is probably more up to the task...
    Last edited by atchipmunk; 10-25-2009 at 10:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atchipmunk
    I totally agree. Some find them kinda ugly, but I love em! My non-Max FSR Comp was actually Mango colored when I rolled it off the showroom floor of Performance Bike Shop in Baltimore back in '98. I REALLY wanted the FSR Elite right next to it but just couldn't afford it at the time.
    I rode the Comp bone-stock for that summer and once the weather turned cold I stripped all the parts off of it, stripped the paint, and hand sanded and polished the frame. I kinda like it polished but I have different plans if I go the Max Backbone route...
    I rode with a guy who had the Mango colored one, I had a Blue one, nice color blue I might add. You gunna check with Kevin on one of those frames? I'll be talking to him tomorrow if you want me to ask. After I get my bike back together I'll take a picture of it, nothing fancy but I like it.
    Oh yeah, Kevin told me that you mentioned my name, Thank you sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    I rode with a guy who had the Mango colored one, I had a Blue one, nice color blue I might add. You gunna check with Kevin on one of those frames? I'll be talking to him tomorrow if you want me to ask. After I get my bike back together I'll take a picture of it, nothing fancy but I like it.
    Oh yeah, Kevin told me that you mentioned my name, Thank you sir.
    Was gonna try to give him a call today just to see. I have a couple of leads on some frames, but it can't hurt to have more options. If you talk to him go ahead and ask him...i'll try to give him a ring later otherwise. You're welcome for mentioning your name. Thanks again for the info...

    Alvin

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40mtns
    Jeff -

    To answer your original question. The Max Backbone was made for 3 years.

    1997 - simply called Ground Control FSR (red, cosmic green/purple)

    1998 - the moniker Ground Control was dropped. Came in Elite/Red, Pro/Black, LTD/Black).
    the LTD had an air shock and to lighten the bike

    1999 - Elite & Pro versions. The frames were silver annodized w/ stickers.

    Misc other variations used the frame.

    Hope this helps and raises the enthusiasm for this frame.

    My first proper mountain bike was a fsr elite in red with x-verts the same as in the 2nd picture of 40mtns post.
    Fitted with a betd travel and bearing kit

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    Think I finally finished my bike a couple days ago:

    Here is my old school 1997 Specialized FSR DH with a bunch of older parts (probably should post in the "vintage section". I think EVERYTHING on this bike is 2000 model year or older). Funny how this frame use to be considered a "DH" frame and now it probably wouldn't even really be considered a true AM bike, but its what I ride all over the mountains. The bike was powdercoated back when everyone was still using "glossy" paint compared to all the matte finishes you see out there today.

    * Frame Size (Color): Medium, Custom powder coated, BETD link and bearing kits at all pivots
    * Fork: Marzocchi Bomber Z1 BAM CR 2000 130mm (5.1") travel
    * Rear Shock: Fox Vanilla Rx 6.5" X 1.5" stroke, 4.5" actual travel with stock link (5.25" claimed). BETD link added 4.5"/5.6"/6.75" travel options
    * Brakes: Hayes Disc the original mag (F)-champagne, and Hayes mag (R)-black
    * Cranks: Caramba Double Barrel Cranks with Ti BB
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Shifters: Shimano XTR M952 3x9
    * Chain: Shimano XTR
    * Pedals: Speedplay Frog Ti (also run old bearclaw style from my BMX when DHing)
    * Stem: Kore Elite 60mm
    * Handlebar: Avitar hi-rise 25" wide
    * Seatpost: Synchros Ti
    * Saddle: Serfas Lola Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Ti-can't remember brand
    * Cassette: Shimano XTR 9
    * Headset: Cheap FSA (the one area I could never justify dumping a bunch of money into, sorry Chris)
    * Grips: Yeti
    * Front Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Front Rim: Mavic 217
    * Front Hub: Hayes by Hugi/DT Disc hub
    * Rear Tire: Panaracer XCPro Kevlar Bead 2.1
    * Rear Rim: Mavic 217
    * Rear Hub: Real Disc
    * Titanium Bolt kits on practically every place possible, triple butted spokes, alloy nipples, Ti non-QR skewers.
    * Weight: 27lbs (But gaining weight real soon, see below)

    I wanted to add a read disc to this bike and the process was a LOT bigger than I expected. I also got the longer travel BETD link which made me also get a 5" travel fork (instead of 4") to not screw up my geometry. Also added needle bearings to all pivots in the process. These changes seemed to add some stiffness to the rear and at the same time make the suspension more active. The rear disc looks a bit stupid, I had to add an adapter and the situation made it so only a 8" disc would work. I then thought I should put an 8" on the front then, but my front Hayes Mag was the 1styear they produced is a 71mm spacing (not a 74mm spacing like is standard now) and NO ONE seems to have an adapter for this caliper for an 8" disc, so I am forced to run a 6" for now.

    I plan to add some new tires (2.35/2.1 Kenda Nevegal), and maybe some different pedals soon.

    I was really surprised I was still able to keep the bike well under 30# (27 lbs)considering I added the rear link, needle bearings, rear disc, rear disc mount, etc... PLUS I am running a real coilover rear shock and a Marzocchi coil/open bath system. I am sure it will get closer to 30# when I add different pedals. And, Yes, I still care about weight, since I ride up as well as down, and I pretty far from a goat.








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    I noticed that the chain stays on there look diff. from the stock set-up that came on my bike. Any ideas? Any info? As far as weight, my bike comes in at 38#.
    Here in Far-Nor-Cal we ride up so we really enjoy the DH back to town (earn your turn). Nice bike Rod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    I noticed that the chain stays on there look diff. from the stock set-up that came on my bike. Any ideas? Any info? As far as weight, my bike comes in at 38#.
    Here in Far-Nor-Cal we ride up so we really enjoy the DH back to town (earn your turn). Nice bike Rod.
    Thanks for the compliments.

    Chainstays are stock, just look different because they are painted.

    As far as going "down". I use to race this bike DH in the last 90s, Back then I had a 4" travel JrT and 4.5" (claimed 5.5") on the rear. I also had XTR V-Brakes on the rear. I just added slightly bigger tires and my BMX pedals. Now this bike is in a LOT of ways even more capable as a DHer than it was back then, and it still is that light. To be honest, I don't know how I could make it more stout outside of wider/beefier wheels (but I never bend my rims anyway), take off all the Ti bolts, run bigger tires and pedals, wider bars? maybe add some fenders? LOL. To be honest, it would be pretty hard for me to get this thing above 32lbs.

    I kind of wonder how much this frame weighs compared to newer frames? IIRC, when I weighed it, it was 6.25# (this was before the BETD link and bearings).

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    Everything on my bike is stout/beefy. This way I don't have to worry about hurting anything while haulin the mail down some/all of our local dh around here. We also do some light Freeridin also, so this is def. my do everything type bike.
    Hey Rod, I raced DH on this bike too and had alot of fun. Plan on doin some more DH racing with it too. I'll try and get some pic's of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Everything on my bike is stout/beefy. This way I don't have to worry about hurting anything while haulin the mail down some/all of our local dh around here. We also do some light Freeridin also, so this is def. my do everything type bike.
    Hey Rod, I raced DH on this bike too and had alot of fun. Plan on doin some more DH racing with it too. I'll try and get some pic's of it.
    Cool, I have a couple picks of me racing some DH NORBA national races on this bike with V-Brakes, when they first came out and all the rave. I should post them.

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    Hey Rod, if you want, look back to 9-6 -2009 on here at OverdaBars pic's of his bike and check out the non-drive side chainstay, thats what mine looked like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield
    Hey Rod, if you want, look back to 9-6 -2009 on here at OverdaBars pic's of his bike and check out the non-drive side chainstay, thats what mine looked like.
    Thats right, that the newer frame. Did they use a bearing kit at that main pivot at that point? I can't remember why they changed it.

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    btw, "achipmunk" bought my spare frame today, he is in the process of building it now (he has sent me a few emails as we speak, asking questions). Can't wait til he gets it built up and posts some pictures!!!

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    It's been so long since I had that set-up I don't remember. It kinda looks like bearings though, doesn't it?
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