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    one more

    Hi there,
    I recently discovered this post, I also have a FSR Elite '98 and I wanted to share it with you guys. I bought the frame in 1999 and still riding it!! I love that bike and through time I kept upgrading the components.

    Right now the setting is:

    Specialized FRS Elite '98
    Manitou X-Vert Super fork
    XTR-XT mix
    Thomson stem and seat post
    Selle Italia SLR
    Mavic CrossMax
    Maxxis Larsen

    Also I was thinking of upgrading the rear suspension, but I have a doubt with which model could fit better: Fox Float R 152mm or Fox Float RPL 165mm. The exact size of my current Fox Vanilla R is 158mm, so which one do you thing could be better? does 165mm fit in there??

    Happy trails!!
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    I recently purchased a perfectly preserved, almost unridden 1998 FSR Elite Max Backbone on ebay. The guy I bought it from rode it less than 10 miles and then parked it and began scavenging parts from it. I also purchased a 1997 Specialized Ground Control DHO around the same time and have decided not to build up the 1998. PM me if anyone would be interested in building this beautiful bike.



    Check out the link below for additional pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmafotograf
    Hi there,
    I recently discovered this post, I also have a FSR Elite '98 and I wanted to share it with you guys. I bought the frame in 1999 and still riding it!! I love that bike and through time I kept upgrading the components.

    Right now the setting is:

    Specialized FRS Elite '98
    Manitou X-Vert Super fork
    XTR-XT mix
    Thomson stem and seat post
    Selle Italia SLR
    Mavic CrossMax
    Maxxis Larsen

    Also I was thinking of upgrading the rear suspension, but I have a doubt with which model could fit better: Fox Float R 152mm or Fox Float RPL 165mm. The exact size of my current Fox Vanilla R is 158mm, so which one do you thing could be better? does 165mm fit in there??

    Happy trails!!
    Stay with the Vanilla and have it Pushed. Will dramatically improve the ride.

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    I'm looking for a rear disc brake adapter for my '98 FSR Elite, anyone have one for sale? Would prefer a specialized shark fin. E-mail xcr600sp96@hotmail.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus
    Stay with the Vanilla and have it Pushed. Will dramatically improve the ride.
    Hi there!

    Thanks for the advice. Sorry for my English, but what do you mean by "to have it pushed"?

    Best regards

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    FS: BETD Specialized Link for Max Backbone

    $95.00 + S&H
    get more travel from your Max Backbone frames (see BETD for specs).
    Priority goes to folks in the SF Bay Area for a face-to-face transaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynofox
    I'm looking for a rear disc brake adapter for my '98 FSR Elite, anyone have one for sale? Would prefer a specialized shark fin. E-mail xcr600sp96@hotmail.com.
    Hi, pls could you send/post a pic of the specialized shark fin. I also would like to install rear disk brake on my fsr, but I want to make the adaptor myself. Therefore I need some drawings/pics to have an idea what I need.
    If anyone can post the measures +pic of the brake adaptor it would be great!

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    I ended up buying an A2Z adapter, did a little modding to it and it works great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynofox
    I ended up buying an A2Z adapter, did a little modding to it and it works great.

    ok, thx.

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    my fsr pro

    heres mine love it to bits,gonna change the seatpost and cable outers to red ones






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    Here is my '98 FSR Elite.
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    Nice to be in such good company!

    It's so nice to know that I'm not the only throwback! I'm a clyde (6'2", 210 lbs) and I LOVE my '99 max elite... stumbled across the frame through a local craigslist ad for $35, spent a year patiently accumulating parts- old Marz bomber (though my forks are definitely the weak link in my setup), entire back end from a '00 big-hit (and it works GREAT!) Avid BB7s on both ends, all XT bits (hubs, drivetrain) lots of raceface goodies... it's a good 6-lbs lighter than my brother's Kona even with the porky fox vanilla shock... how can something that looks this skinny/spindly be so rigid, smooth and planted?



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    Quote Originally Posted by nilknarf_c
    It's so nice to know that I'm not the only throwback! I'm a clyde (6'2", 210 lbs) and I LOVE my '99 max elite... stumbled across the frame through a local craigslist ad for $35, spent a year patiently accumulating parts- old Marz bomber (though my forks are definitely the weak link in my setup), entire back end from a '00 big-hit (and it works GREAT!) Avid BB7s on both ends, all XT and XTR bits (hubs, drivetrain) lots of raceface goodies... it's a good 6-lbs lighter than my brother's Kona even with the porky fox vanilla shock... how can something that looks this skinny/spindly be so rigid, smooth and planted?



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    Hi! Nice setup!!
    Could you tell me what are you using for the rear disk brake?
    Can you post some pics?

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    Thanks! The front and rear brakes are Avid BB7s- the rear caliper is mounted to a Specialized sharkfin adapter. I'm running XT Centerlock hubs with cheapo 6-bolt adapters (for now)- the rear disk is a 160mm and the front is a 203. I love my mechanical disk brakes- they're miles ahead of the v-brakes and I like how light they are. I'll go snap some more pix and post them a little later.

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    close-up of rear disk

    hey razzta, here are those close-ups of my rear brake setup- it seems like the sharkfin shouldn't be that difficult to mimic as long as you have access to the right tools (I'm assuming that's what you're mainly interested in)









    I got the "Alligator" centerlock-to-6bolt adapter from Performance, and it really is a piece of crap- I had to replace the front adapter after one ride. I'll be getting some proper centerlock disks shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nilknarf_c
    hey razzta, here are those close-ups of my rear brake setup- it seems like the sharkfin shouldn't be that difficult to mimic as long as you have access to the right tools (I'm assuming that's what you're mainly interested in)

    _c
    Hi again! Yeah, I want to set up the best rear disk brake possible. I bought the A2z adaptor, but I am not happy with it.
    Can you post some pics of your sharkfin shooting from this other angles:
    -shooting from the right side (where the cassette is) from top of wheel
    -shooting from the right side (where the cassette is) from center of wheel
    -shooting from the right side (where the cassette is) from below of wheel.
    I have problems with the a2z adaptor because the disk rotor contacts the nut on the inside of the left arm next to to the brake adaptor (if you look at the bike from behind).
    Just curious: could you post some drawings with the dimensions (cause I cannot find any sharkfin sold on internet...so maybe I can build one).
    thx for help!

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    sharkfin details

    Hey Razzta- sorry for the delay, it's been a busy weekend. My apologies- I snapped the shots based on my feeble memory of what you had asked for, and a couple of the shots aren't as clear as they could be:











    Sorry for hijacking the thread everyone- we can now return to our regularly scheduled thread!

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    welding A2Z adaptor to my fsr frame

    Hi, it has been quite a long time, but I finally got it. Instead of using my A2Z disk brake adaptor as stated in the manual, I decided to weld it to my frame.
    This is the the result before & after welding. Very easy to weld using Durafix (I did it myself and I am not an expert in welding at all).
    Maybe this helps someone like me that has got this idea too: it is possible + easy + cheap!!!
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    Hey Razzta- definitely keep us posted on how your fix holds up!

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    Overdue FSR upgrade

    This thread has been very helpful in giving me ideas on how to go about upgrading my (98,99?) FSR elite. Hopefully this thread isn't dead. A few months prior I got the itch to upgrade the FSR to disc brakes. A few weeks ago I went ahead and did it. Like razzta01, I went with a welding method. I have access to a fab. shop, aluminum, tools etc. Might as well, plus the sharkfin seems like it would add unnecessary weight and bulk. The caliper tab I made turned out alright, it's also a bit bulky and could have made it smaller. But it works well.

    Now I want to upgrade more. After riding it a few times, it is apparent the next step is forks. I am only getting 3inch of travel, when I would ideally like 5-6in. Any recommendations in new or used forks? So far I like nilknarf_c's ride and fork, also dynofox's forks. I would like to go with a fork that accepts 20 or 19mm qr axels, as I just purchased my wheelset and do not want upgrade to thru axel.

    I am also going to be upgrading to a longer travel swing arm linkage..maybe BETD's unless there are any others, new or from other models that work better. '00 big hit linkage maybe. Any rear shock recommendations? more than likely I'll have to upgrade that too.

    Other upgrades in mind: carbon fiber seat post and handle bars...can carbon fiber handle high speed rocky downhills? 203mm front rotor, and BETD's pivot bearing replacement kit.

    Current specs: 98 or 99 FSR elite, BB7's front and rear w. 160mm rotors, Mavic321's, Continental 2.3 tires, XTR drive train, Shimano hubs.

    Sorry for the blurry pic, at the moment I only have the one from the iphone.
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    Welcome to the forum (from one relative newcomer to another!)! Though the shark fin doesn't add any significant weight, I'd much rather have the tabs integrated into the seatstay- it just looks a LOT cleaner. I have to say that I LOVE the BigHit linkage on my bike- lots of travel, and with the old-school Fox Vanilla shock, it's nicely controlled with just a little fine-tuning.

    BTW, love your other toys- I've got a couple of '90s Honda XRs in my garage (they're a far cry from your YZFs I'm afraid!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFSR View Post
    This thread has been very helpful in giving me ideas on how to go about upgrading my (98,99?) FSR elite. Hopefully this thread isn't dead. A few months prior I got the itch to upgrade the FSR to disc brakes. A few weeks ago I went ahead and did it. Like razzta01, I went with a welding method. I have access to a fab. shop, aluminum, tools etc. Might as well, plus the sharkfin seems like it would add unnecessary weight and bulk. The caliper tab I made turned out alright, it's also a bit bulky and could have made it smaller. But it works well.

    Now I want to upgrade more. After riding it a few times, it is apparent the next step is forks. I am only getting 3inch of travel, when I would ideally like 5-6in. Any recommendations in new or used forks? So far I like nilknarf_c's ride and fork, also dynofox's forks. I would like to go with a fork that accepts 20 or 19mm qr axels, as I just purchased my wheelset and do not want upgrade to thru axel.

    I am also going to be upgrading to a longer travel swing arm linkage..maybe BETD's unless there are any others, new or from other models that work better. '00 big hit linkage maybe. Any rear shock recommendations? more than likely I'll have to upgrade that too.

    Other upgrades in mind: carbon fiber seat post and handle bars...can carbon fiber handle high speed rocky downhills? 203mm front rotor, and BETD's pivot bearing replacement kit.

    Current specs: 98 or 99 FSR elite, BB7's front and rear w. 160mm rotors, Mavic321's, Continental 2.3 tires, XTR drive train, Shimano hubs.

    Sorry for the blurry pic, at the moment I only have the one from the iphone.
    Ok, let me tell you what I did:
    1)new front fork:
    1.1)Rock Shox Reba Team 100mm travel (it changes a little bit the geometry o f the bike, but I like it!)
    1.2)DTSwiss 240s with 9 mm DT Swiss Thru Bolt (100% compatible with Quick Release)
    1.3)Formula R1 ..uff, what a difference again compared to V-Brakes
    2)new back fork: Risse Astro 5 ...perfect...again what a difference to the stock one!!!
    3) transmission : shimano XT
    4) Formula R1 rear disk brake
    5) ZTR Crest 26" rims + DT Swiss Revolution spokes + of course: tubeless (first time i tried it and i love it! .... diy tubeless by the way (all natural latex ... no additives, no chemistry) + Specialized tyres
    6) Allay Racing Pro 2.1 Saddle +NC-17 Empire Lift Pro Seatpost (modified)
    7) all new bearings: from BETD (uk) .. again,what a difference!

    I definitly mounted almost a new bike, but i can only say I love it! all new components make a huge difference over the new stock bike i bought years ago...it is far more perfect than the stock one! i ride more secure and more precise!
    Of course you can mount better components to it..for example carbon ones, but i spent already a lot of money in it renewing it, so for me now it is perfect..maybe in the future a do a new redesign of my FSR.

    Some pics for you I really like the final look I achieved.

















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    This is my current build up for an AM/XC Bike. :-) I had and FSR back in 2002, and I snapped the head tube by putting Monster T's up front. I miss the bike, so I just got this Max Backbone frame.

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    Curt - Thanks for the welcome. I considered welding my caliper tab higher on the seatstay, but I wasn't sure if the tubing was hollow or solid. If it was hollow there was a possibility I would blow hole in it with the welder. So I opt to weld it to the flat bar by the axle.

    I have a question for you tho, did you mount the entire big hit assembly or just the linkage? I was wondering if I could mount the big hit linkage to the rest of my FSR swing arm assembly.

    Razzta01 - Thats a good looking bike you have there. Id imagine if you bought all those parts new, u'd have the cost of a new bike under you. Myself, I've been purchasing from Craigslist and Ebay. Speaking of Ebay, Ive been looking at Marzocchi RLO 44 Bombers for about $220 shipped. Probably not as light as your Rebas, but more travel.

    twisterad3's forks look like they would solve my problems, light, and can take beating travel wise. Probably out of my price range tho. Glad to see you've gone back to a superior frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFSR View Post
    twisterad3's forks look like they would solve my problems, light, and can take beating travel wise. Probably out of my price range tho. Glad to see you've gone back to a superior frame.
    I picked this fork up for $150. It's an 06. 130mm travel, and weighs like 4.3lbs.
    I'm

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    Good to see more and more of these Max frames out there being ridden. I'm still ridin the pizz outta mine. Takes a lickin and keeps on tickin.
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    Hi Guys

    Does anyone have geometry for these frames? Specifically TT and ST lengths for medium and large.
    Did they change through the years or all the same dimensions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Hi Guys

    Does anyone have geometry for these frames? Specifically TT and ST lengths for medium and large.
    Did they change through the years or all the same dimensions?
    TT - Med. 544mm. Lrg. 572mm. Not sure what you mean by ST.
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    Finally thought I'd get round to posting a few pics of my old FSR on here, prompted by popping into my local bike shop a couple of weeks ago (a rare outing for it) and one of their staff commenting on how good its condition was for its age.

    I've had it since new, first reading about it in MountainBike Action magazine (they'd made it their 'Bike of the Year '97') and then giving it a test ride.

    I've upgraded bits and pieces of it over the years, hence the specs list below:

    Frame: 1997 Specialized Ground Control FSR Comp ('Cosmic' colorway (black/dark green/aubergine depending on the light direction)) - Size M.
    Fork: 2000 Rock Shox SID 100 dual air
    Rear shock: 1999 Rock Shox SID dual air with BETD shock linkage

    Headset: 1 1/8" WTB New Paradigm GreaseGuard headset
    Stem: RaceFace 'System' stem
    Handlebar: O'Neal/Azonic double-wall riser bar
    Grips: Yeti
    Barends: Yeti

    Brakes: Hope Mini disks
    Brake Pads: Hope
    Brake Cables: Hope Hydro
    Brake Levers: Hope Mini
    Misc: '99 Specialized 'shark fin' disk brake adaptor (though the packaging says 'A-Z adaptor' - is there a difference?)
    '97-'98 MountainSpeed needle roller bearing kit (replacing all the PU bushes)

    Shifters: SL-M750 XT shifters (changed at the time the Hope disks were fitted)
    Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT FD-M750 35.0mm might still the the original item?!?
    Rear Derailleur: '97 Shimano XTR RD-M950 SGS deffo. the original, and still going strong!
    Derailleur Cables: maybe GoreTex (can't remember)
    Cassette: Shimano CS-M750 Type aQ (11-32T)
    Chain: SRAM PC59
    Cranks: 1998 Specialized S-works - I bought from a little shop on a long weekend in Las Vegas!
    Crank Bolts: original frame items
    Chainrings: Specialized (22, 32, 42) - I think?!? Came with the crank arms from Las Vegas (baby!)
    Chainring bolts: Came with the cranks/rings.
    Bottom Bracket: XTR (I think?!? Bought one 2nd-hand off of a local shop rider, which I think I fitted it to this bike - haven't had it out in a while)
    Pedals: Shimano PD-M747 peddles (with aluminium collers)

    Hub Skewers: Shimano XT
    Rims: Mavic X317 disk specific
    Hubs: Hope XC front & rear
    Nipples: DT (silver)
    Spokes: DT DoubleButted (black)
    Tyres: Panaracer Fire XC pro
    Tubes: Some make of blue latex tube

    Saddle: 1997 Flite Titanium
    Seatpost: Ritchey alloy 30.9mm (more for vanity as that's my name)
    Seatpost Binder: original Specialized alloy item

    Original 1997 specs from Bikepedia: http://tinyurl.com/36y25e5
    I still have the original seat stays (which didn't have the hole for the Shark Fin mount), front fork (RS Judy XC Long Travel (80mm!)) and rear shock (Fox Vanilla Rx), though everything else I took off it went onto another frame which I later sold on to a mate (1994 Specialized S-works Stumpjumper FSR)


    An early y2k photo with some upgrades (Shimano carbon fibre v-brake boosters, Mavic 217/XT wheels, Azonic riser bar, etc)

    And as it is today








    More pictures of it are on Flickr here: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjuv3JW8
    as well as pix of my daily commuter ('96 Gary Fisher Montare) and my current project bike (Klein Pulse Pro)
    It's better to burn out than to fade away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield View Post
    TT - Med. 544mm. Lrg. 572mm. Not sure what you mean by ST.
    Thanks Skip. ST = Seat Tube. Or rather measuring where the seat tube would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Thanks Skip. ST = Seat Tube. Or rather measuring where the seat tube would be.
    My frame is a lrg. and it measures 19" from center of crank to top of seat tube, where the seat post goes in the frame. Hope this helps.
    I believe a Med. is something like 17".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartsimpsonhead View Post
    Finally thought I'd get round to posting a few pics of my old FSR on here, prompted by popping into my local bike shop a couple of weeks ago (a rare outing for it) and one of their staff commenting on how good its condition was for its age.

    I've had it since new, first reading about it in MountainBike Action magazine (they'd made it their 'Bike of the Year '97') and then giving it a test ride.

    I've upgraded bits and pieces of it over the years, hence the specs list below:

    Frame: 1997 Specialized Ground Control FSR Comp ('Cosmic' colorway (black/dark green/aubergine depending on the light direction)) - Size M.
    Fork: 2000 Rock Shox SID 100 dual air
    Rear shock: 1999 Rock Shox SID dual air with BETD shock linkage

    Headset: 1 1/8" WTB New Paradigm GreaseGuard headset
    Stem: RaceFace 'System' stem
    Handlebar: O'Neal/Azonic double-wall riser bar
    Grips: Yeti
    Barends: Yeti

    Brakes: Hope Mini disks
    Brake Pads: Hope
    Brake Cables: Hope Hydro
    Brake Levers: Hope Mini
    Misc: '99 Specialized 'shark fin' disk brake adaptor (though the packaging says 'A-Z adaptor' - is there a difference?)
    '97-'98 MountainSpeed needle roller bearing kit (replacing all the PU bushes)

    Shifters: SL-M750 XT shifters (changed at the time the Hope disks were fitted)
    Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT FD-M750 35.0mm might still the the original item?!?
    Rear Derailleur: '97 Shimano XTR RD-M950 SGS deffo. the original, and still going strong!
    Derailleur Cables: maybe GoreTex (can't remember)
    Cassette: Shimano CS-M750 Type aQ (11-32T)
    Chain: SRAM PC59
    Cranks: 1998 Specialized S-works - I bought from a little shop on a long weekend in Las Vegas!
    Crank Bolts: original frame items
    Chainrings: Specialized (22, 32, 42) - I think?!? Came with the crank arms from Las Vegas (baby!)
    Chainring bolts: Came with the cranks/rings.
    Bottom Bracket: XTR (I think?!? Bought one 2nd-hand off of a local shop rider, which I think I fitted it to this bike - haven't had it out in a while)
    Pedals: Shimano PD-M747 peddles (with aluminium collers)

    Hub Skewers: Shimano XT
    Rims: Mavic X317 disk specific
    Hubs: Hope XC front & rear
    Nipples: DT (silver)
    Spokes: DT DoubleButted (black)
    Tyres: Panaracer Fire XC pro
    Tubes: Some make of blue latex tube

    Saddle: 1997 Flite Titanium
    Seatpost: Ritchey alloy 30.9mm (more for vanity as that's my name)
    Seatpost Binder: original Specialized alloy item

    Original 1997 specs from Bikepedia: http://tinyurl.com/36y25e5
    I still have the original seat stays (which didn't have the hole for the Shark Fin mount), front fork (RS Judy XC Long Travel (80mm!)) and rear shock (Fox Vanilla Rx), though everything else I took off it went onto another frame which I later sold on to a mate (1994 Specialized S-works Stumpjumper FSR)


    An early y2k photo with some upgrades (Shimano carbon fibre v-brake boosters, Mavic 217/XT wheels, Azonic riser bar, etc)

    And as it is today








    More pictures of it are on Flickr here: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjuv3JW8
    as well as pix of my daily commuter ('96 Gary Fisher Montare) and my current project bike (Klein Pulse Pro)
    Nice rig there Bart.......clean, sharp. Keep up the good work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skip canfield View Post
    My frame is a lrg. and it measures 19" from center of crank to top of seat tube, where the seat post goes in the frame. Hope this helps.
    I believe a Med. is something like 17".
    Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted to hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted to hear.
    Glad I could help.
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    I've been following this thread for a while and realized I never posted any pics.

    Here's my 1997 Ground Control DHO. It was built up over the past year and I have taken it out on shuttle accessed downhill a couple of times to South Mountain in Phoenix. The suspension works great and turning is very precise. I usually ride a Commencal Supreme DH at South Mountain. The Supreme's 8" of travel is nice, but I'm finding that some times I prefer the ultra-sharp handling of the FSR.

    It has a generic disk mount bought on Ebay for around $50 shipped that works pretty well, but I'm still looking to upgrade to the Risse setup. I definitely want to change to a Risse or BETD linkage.

    The build includes:
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    Quote Originally Posted by zmotojason View Post
    I've been following this thread for a while and realized I never posted any pics.

    Here's my 1997 Ground Control DHO. It was built up over the past year and I have taken it out on shuttle accessed downhill a couple of times to South Mountain in Phoenix. The suspension works great and turning is very precise. I usually ride a Commencal Supreme DH at South Mountain. The Supreme's 8" of travel is nice, but I'm finding that some times I prefer the ultra-sharp handling of the FSR.

    It has a generic disk mount bought on Ebay for around $50 shipped that works pretty well, but I'm still looking to upgrade to the Risse setup. I definitely want to change to a Risse or BETD linkage.

    The build includes:
    Marzocchi 66
    Race Face DH cranks with dual chain rings and a Blackspire chain guide
    Cook Brothers 5050 pedals
    XT front and rear (rapid rise) derailuers
    Sun DH wheels
    Avid BB7 mechanical disks front and rear
    Saint rear shifter and XT front













    Looks good Jason, kinda resembles my rig with that "66" on there. I'm a firm believer in the Risse set-up, I have the whole rear triangle on my bike, works excellent, no problems with any of it.
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    I just rescued a MAX frame from a scrap metal bin. Chanced upon it at the right time when I was disposing of an old dishwasher.

    The rear end has play, no problems fixing that, it's got a dodgey paint job but the front triangle looks almost completely straight and undamaged. It's a medium and weighs in at 5.4 lb with no shock.

    I also picked up a complete large bike a few weeks back but have yet to take delivery of it.
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    So perhaps you fine folks can help educate me on the FSR lineage. My buddy gave me a rescued FSR Extreme to revive in brilliant neon green. Best I can tell from webernetz research it is a 1998 model, most likely. How does the FSR "extreme" fit into the line up? Is this the lowest end model? Probably with 4" front and rear travel?

    Thanks! Some nice bikes in here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deezler View Post
    So perhaps you fine folks can help educate me on the FSR lineage. My buddy gave me a rescued FSR Extreme to revive in brilliant neon green. Best I can tell from webernetz research it is a 1998 model, most likely. How does the FSR "extreme" fit into the line up? Is this the lowest end model? Probably with 4" front and rear travel?

    Thanks! Some nice bikes in here!

    Edit - What? I need 10 posts to be able to put up an image? That is.... dumb. Now I have to spam 10 useless posts before I can come edit this one and add the picture of my bike.

    link for now:
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    http://www.bikepedia.com/Search.aspx...pecialized+fsr This may help you a bit. Cheers!
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    Ah ha! Thanks for the info link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deezler View Post
    So perhaps you fine folks can help educate me on the FSR lineage. My buddy gave me a rescued FSR Extreme to revive in brilliant neon green. Best I can tell from webernetz research it is a 1998 model, most likely. How does the FSR "extreme" fit into the line up? Is this the lowest end model? Probably with 4" front and rear travel?

    Thanks! Some nice bikes in here!

    Edit - What? I need 10 posts to be able to put up an image? That is.... dumb. Now I have to spam 10 useless posts before I can come edit this one and add the picture of my bike.

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    All of the lower end welded frames were the same. The difference is in the rear shock and components. Odds are a 98 bike won't still have it's original components anyway.
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    Sad to say but I think some of the components actually are original. It's kind of crusty.

    So the "Elite", the second most expensive model, (and presumably also the "pro", since it's most expensive) has a different frame than the lower end models.... The split extruded deal that has been discussed already in this thread. It also appears to me that not only is the rear shock different, but the geometry of the rear suspension linkage differs a bit too.

    And of course the front forks were all different. Hmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deezler View Post
    Sad to say but I think some of the components actually are original. It's kind of crusty.

    So the "Elite", the second most expensive model, (and presumably also the "pro", since it's most expensive) has a different frame than the lower end models.... The split extruded deal that has been discussed already in this thread. It also appears to me that not only is the rear shock different, but the geometry of the rear suspension linkage differs a bit too.

    And of course the front forks were all different. Hmm.
    Yes the "MAX Extruded" frames on the Pro and Elite are different not only in construction but I think geometry also. As well as having a slightly different rear end. The Pro and Elite used fox rear shocks, the 98 Rockshox used on the welded frames were particularly unreliable and most were crimped together and therefore unservicable. A local shop had over a 100% warranty rate on those RS rear shocks. Some were warrantied more than once.
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    As part of the rebuild of the FSR MAX of unknown age and origin I started modelling up the pivot parts in solidworks.
    Then I got a little carried away. I now have an almost complete solidworks model. For those who've done some 3D modelling this one was quite challenging and I'm quite pleased with how it's turning out.

    I still have to add the cable bosses, shock spring and derailleur hanger etc. I am looking towards designing and making a needle bearing upgrade for this frame. The previous owner lost half the main pivot hardware and while it's easy to recreate I figured I'd try something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodH View Post
    here it is: http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=18247

    http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18188

    that is the "TEAM DH" bike. I was buddies with Todd Tanner, a DH racer for Specialized back in the day. These were only team bikes, then IIRC, in 1999 or 2000 they did a limited production run. They only go for around $400-500 on the used market which in another reason why I think spending $350+ for the risse rear isn't the wisest thing.
    Thread dredge but anyway.

    That is labelled as a 98 DH, but it isn't. That's the 2000 model frame (complete redesign) with the hole in it.
    I have a picture of Palmers 1998/99 frame, we'll see if MTBR will let me attach it. This is the original FSR DH. Similar front end to the MAX bikes, but a heavy duty rear end with longer shock.

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    Earlier in this thread someone was asking about the little cable guide under the top link.

    Well today I was in my LBS buying a brake noodle which I was going to butcher for that exact purpose, when I found these little short noodles in the same bin. They said they bought them recently for a newer FSR.
    Took one home and it's a perfect fit. The only difference is the extra knob on the end which can be removed without too much hassle. Picture below.

    Also in the picture are new bushings, if anyone is struggling to find them let me know. I've got heaps. I also have the needle rollers for the bearing conversion. I will convert the medium Elite to bearings while keeping the XL frame bushings but massage the bushings for a nice fit. I want to compare them back to back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Earlier in this thread someone was asking about the little cable guide under the top link.

    Well today I was in my LBS buying a brake noodle which I was going to butcher for that exact purpose, when I found these little short noodles in the same bin. They said they bought them recently for a newer FSR.
    Took one home and it's a perfect fit. The only difference is the extra knob on the end which can be removed without too much hassle. Picture below.

    Also in the picture are new bushings, if anyone is struggling to find them let me know. I've got heaps. I also have the needle rollers for the bearing conversion. I will convert the medium Elite to bearings while keeping the XL frame bushings but massage the bushings for a nice fit. I want to compare them back to back.
    Wow! Haven't been by this thread in quite a while, but it's nice to see so many more MaxBackbone frames being restored and ridden still. :buttrock

    Dougal...that's a great find. Woulda been really helpful when I was restoring/building my FSR DH. Luckily, I lucked out and found someone that had a spare of the real deal in their toolbox...

    Anyway, i'm still out riding/thrashing on my MaxBackbone framed FSR 2-3 days a week and LOVING it. It's slowly gone through a couple more upgrades...all of which were great additions. She's now running a Fox 40 fork, and the complete Risse Racing rear end. Here's a quick pick I took recently after getting home from a ride...



    Skip....you were right. The Risse rear end ROCKS! It's a bit heavy, but SO worth the weight penalty....for me at least and the kinda riding I like to do...

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    Does anyone have reproduction graphics for these?

    Specifically the round "ground control" logo. I know a few good graphic designers but no point re-inventing the wheel.
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    I'd also be interested in decals for a 98 FSR Elite.
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    Hi there great thread - I am getting really keen to get my own frame built up.

    I have been lucky enough to find a NOS Sharkfin adapter however my Seatstay doesn't have a suitable hole drilled near the dropout.

    Can anyone please give me an accurate photo (with dimensions) or a schematic showing exactly where to drill please?

    Many thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40mtns View Post
    Here's my main ride. Still riding it today.

    Checkout the second pic (view from head-tube). It shows the 2 steel braces that runs the length of the inner frame. What makes the frame super stiff.

    It's a GREAT ride. Stable flying down the hills :-)
    (Quote Pics from page 1 of this thread)


    Steel braces? That seems strange to me that there would be steel braces inside an aluminum frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supermoto Fan View Post
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    Steel braces? That seems strange to me that there would be steel braces inside an aluminum frame.
    Correct, they're not steel braces, they are the two internal ribs of the extrusion these frames are made from. The extrusion is cut and split by the seat-tower and those two internal ribs become the top of the lower section and bottom of the lower section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Correct, they're not steel braces, they are the two internal ribs of the extrusion these frames are made from. The extrusion is cut and split by the seat-tower and those two internal ribs become the top of the lower section and bottom of the lower section.
    Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks for the very informative explanation.

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    linkage upgrade

    I'm really enjoying the content of this thread and have been following it for a while.
    Thought I would add my own contribution.
    Though it's not a MAX backbone frame (I wish), hopefully it's still interesting to you guys.
    Got a smoking deal on her for $150, seems very lightly used, everything in good condition
    1999 FSR
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    Since I can't really ride her yet, with all of the Colorado snow, I've already started the upgrading.
    added a 130mm marzocchi bomber and some MG-1 pedals. Sorry about the quality, apparently I took this picture with a potato.



    I have a question, referring way back to joe rumbles post quoted below about the rear linkages. I want to balance out the geometry on the rear with my new fork, both of the aftermarket linkages currently available for the bike look nice (risse and betd) but are also 200+ dollars. I dont think I need that much travel to match a measly 130mm shock
    Joe's post seems to indicate that I can accomplish this task using the oem linkage from an '01 fsr enduro or other oem linkages (DH, Big Hit, S-works).
    Is there a place that you can buy these, used or otherwise? I'm trying to find a source but this thread is the only place with any information. (anybody here have one they are willing to sell?)
    Thanks for the help and keep up the builds, I love these bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe rumble View Post
    I've taken a couple photos of all 6 of my linkages so you can see for yourself.....I took them on grid paper and lined them up as best as I could using the forward linkage/frame pivot as the reference so you can see their respective sizes, shock placements.

    Ok from left to right....1) Stock MAX FSR linkage (forging), 2) '01 FSR Enduro 4 point adjustable linkage (forging), 3) MRP FSR long travel linkage(billet, CNC machined), 4) '99 FSR DH factory linkage (billet, CNC machined), 5) FSR Big Hit linkage (forging), 6) S-Works Team DH linkage (billet, CNC machined).

    The gold linkages shock placment is alot further forward than the MRP, Enduro and Big Hit links. The stock DH shock is a Fox RX and is a 6.5" i to i, and has a 1.75" stroke coupled with the longer linkage to give the 6" of travel. The wheelbase is also 1" longer because of the R.E.E.G. Engineering fabricated chainstay. A mod that can be done to this frame is the use of the Big Hit or S-Works Team DH linkages.....they're slightly longer than the gold link but the shock placement is significantly further back allowing the use of a much longer stroke shock (a 2" or maybe a 2.25" stroke shock compared to stock 1.75" stroke) for more travel, and the longer chainstay maintains the geometry within reasonable tolerances....maybe slightly steeper but with tall forks you could slacken it up a bit, and you get the 4 way adjustability as well.

    The MRP linkage is almost impossible to find, but a great and not well known upgrade for the standard FSR linkage is actually the FSR Enduro 4 way linkage. It bolts straight on and has a remarkably similar geometry, mounting points and shock locations as the MRP...but it's ever so slightly shorter than the MRP so it won't give ultimately as much travel, but it has 4 way adjustability for travel and head angle so it's well worth looking into if you're in the market for a longer travel option for the stock FSR. The shock placement is much further back than the stock linkage allowing the use of a longer stroke shock. The MRP kit for the MAX frame came with the FOX RX shock and was custom made for MRP in the very unusual size of 7" i to i with a 2" stroke.

    The Big Hit and the S-Works Team DH are identical in size but the Big Hit has much shorter travel because of the 24" tyre specific chain and seat stays.

    I've actually gone the other way on my red MAX GC and using a much shorter 5.75" i to i, 1.5" stroke shock from a Cannondale V. The stock shock is a 6.5" x 1.5" but I wanted a slacker head tube so the shorter shock gives me that while maintaining the stock 4" travel due to the same stroke length of the shocks.

    Well I hope this has been of some use to all you MAX FSR users out there.

    Chat soon and take care.....
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    C3 that was recently on ebay

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    Saw that too.....he is crazy though $1400 starting bid/$2000 BIN. Remember when they came out. My shop asked me to bring my bike in to show an owner of one of those my frame(had a cosmic 97). S was giving the cosmic FSR's as a replacement when the carbon ones were recalled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disdom View Post
    I'm really enjoying the content of this thread and have been following it for a while.

    I have a question, referring way back to joe rumbles post quoted below about the rear linkages. I want to balance out the geometry on the rear with my new fork, both of the aftermarket linkages currently available for the bike look nice (risse and betd) but are also 200+ dollars. I dont think I need that much travel to match a measly 130mm shock
    Joe's post seems to indicate that I can accomplish this task using the oem linkage from an '01 fsr enduro or other oem linkages (DH, Big Hit, S-works).
    Is there a place that you can buy these, used or otherwise? I'm trying to find a source but this thread is the only place with any information. (anybody here have one they are willing to sell?)
    Thanks for the help and keep up the builds, I love these bikes.
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    Hi Chris,

    God it's been ages since I've been in here....lovely frame mate, she looks to be in amazing condition!! Well done!!

    My advice to you if you want OEM is that you'd need to try to source either an '01 Enduro linkage, or an MRP linkage IF you can find it. The DH & Big Hit linkages will totally screw your frame geometry and you will more than likely have clearance issues....BUT please make sure you can source the hardware and bearings for it. I can provide you with the bearing codes...you can get them from a bearing supplier, but the hardware (i.e.. bolts, axles & bearing crush washers) are vital for a safe & proper install.

    In all honesty the easiest way for you to go would be with the BETD and use the shorter travel positions. It comes with all the bearings, hardware & washers needed for a safe & proper fit.

    But again if your heart is set on OEM then the '01 Enduro linkage is your best bet....I'd be checking out major Specialized dealers, or maybe even Specialized themselves....I'm sure there'd have to be one somewhere in storage or one that can be removed from a warranty return somewhere. That's how I sourced most of my parts here in Australia, went to my bike shop that was a major dealer for Specialized and they put me on the line to the importer, I told them what I wanted, and it was sent to my bike shop....I have to say in a place as huge and vast as the USA that with such a large population and sooo many different distributors & retailers, that with a bit of ringing around, and a few well placed emails to Specialized or major distributors and retailers, you should be able to score an '01 Enduro link....and don't forget the bearings & attachment hardware!!!!

    Hope this helps & take care......Joe

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    I can help out with all of the bearings, bushings and pivot hardware. I have both the bushing and bearing versions here with all sizes on file. I'm currently piecing together a medium 98 Elite with a 00 Bighit rear end (ball bearing pivots) for my wife to try for size. I am currently just assembling this for fit purposes, I have rear shocks in 1.25, 1.5 and 1.75" stroke to try as well as the Elite bushing rear stays and Enduro bearing rear stays with quite different geometry. All in a huge array of geometry options, this will be fitted up with a 120mm Manitou Black.
    The 01 Enduro rode higher than the 00 versions, the 00 bighit link is a similar but longer link than the 00 Enduro item.

    It will be interesting. Once we've got the fit and ride height sorted, I'll be stripped and painted. Only then will I subject you all to photos. For now it's far too ugly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nilknarf_c View Post
    It's so nice to know that I'm not the only throwback! I'm a clyde (6'2", 210 lbs) and I LOVE my '99 max elite... stumbled across the frame through a local craigslist ad for $35, spent a year patiently accumulating parts
    That's one of the most beautiful bikes I have ever seen. It actually got me into mountain biking.

    What I wouldn't give for that bike... hehe

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    Main Pivot bearing options?

    I also have a 1998 Elite which I am in the process of building up. I have a disc seatstay from a 2001 Enduro along with the adjustable travel/geometry link from that bike too. All my pivots are now therefore cartridge bearings apart for the main pivot (behind the BB) which is still a plastic bushing. I could go for the UK made needle bearing option from BETD but that will cost me over 50GB. Dougal I know you have said previously that you were looking at designing and making a needle bearing upgrade for the frame - have you come up with anything yet? I am particularly interested if you have something for the main pivot alone particularly if it were cheaper than the BETD option; for instance if it utilised the existing bolt/nounting hardware.BETD have fabricated their own and I think that is why their kit is so expensive. Let me know if you can help with needle or roller bearings or indeed if you know of any cartridge bearing sizes/numbers that would fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmAwelon View Post
    I also have a 1998 Elite which I am in the process of building up. I have a disc seatstay from a 2001 Enduro along with the adjustable travel/geometry link from that bike too. All my pivots are now therefore cartridge bearings apart for the main pivot (behind the BB) which is still a plastic bushing. I could go for the UK made needle bearing option from BETD but that will cost me over 50GB. Dougal I know you have said previously that you were looking at designing and making a needle bearing upgrade for the frame - have you come up with anything yet? I am particularly interested if you have something for the main pivot alone particularly if it were cheaper than the BETD option; for instance if it utilised the existing bolt/nounting hardware.BETD have fabricated their own and I think that is why their kit is so expensive. Let me know if you can help with needle or roller bearings or indeed if you know of any cartridge bearing sizes/numbers that would fit.
    Hi Jim

    As in the email, I have designed the needle roller kit, but not built or tested one yet. This one is in the personal projects heap so low priority.
    The 23mm OD of the original bushings don't fit any standard cartridge bearings, 22mm and 24mm are easily, 23mm isn't. There are 23mm OD needle rollers, but fitting in thrust washers, seals and solid supports are the tricky bits.

    If I do get a kit like this out for sale (versus personal use) it wouldn't be significantly cheaper than the BETD version.

    Having reamed out the tightest pivots on my XL Elite to free them up, I'm very happy with the resulting suspension performance. But this is something that needs individual attention for each pivot on each bike. The tolerances are such that a pre-reamed kit wouldn't give good results on all frames.
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    Finished the Bike

    I don't usally post, but this thread movtivated me. After destroying my bottle rocket, low hanging trees and roof racks don't mix, I decided to pull one of my old FSR Elite frames down and build up a AM/DH bike. I went with Risse front to rear, and it rides like the old warhorse still has a few years left in her.
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    Check out my FSR. I saw it at a community ward sale. Got it for $75! Looks to be all original, even the tires. Not a scratch on it.

    Pic is from my lake house and the garage is a mess...
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    Nice find, it's even got the original pedals. From this angle it looks like the seat and tyres are the only non original parts.
    I have an XL version in the same year and colour, but by the time it got to me the rims, forks, bars, stem and a few other bits and pieces had been swapped out.
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    hey, anyone know what the original msrp was on this bike? I saw $2500 on bikepedia but that seems exreme. I bought a stumpjumper hardtail (same year) new and it was around $1450.

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    I love the 1998. Just got one and am cleaning it up

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    I have really enjoyed looking at the various bikes on this thread. I was going to post mine but my poost count isn't high enought yet!

    There are still a couple of things to sort namely the ISIS bottom bracket. To fit the Race Face North Shores it looks like I need a 73 x 108. What size bb's are other people using?

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    Started of with this via Ebay:




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    cool! are those the original forks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beggaz View Post
    cool! are those the original forks?
    Thanks. The forks are Marzocchi Jr.T's

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    the original dual crown fork was a XC/AM model by manatou (SP?).... or at least it was on mine
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    Sorry I should have been clear - the Jr.T's are not original but are pretty well in period.

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    Which period is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Which period is that?

    Hi

    It's a 98/99 frame while the Forks are 00 model but 99 manufactured.

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    yup... was a huge time of changes for MTB at that time... suspension was coming a long way, discs where soon to become standardized... was def a time for high zoot stuff
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    I agree - I was in 2 minds about the discs. I was tempted to stay with the Magura HS33's but there is so much mud around here!

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    I still would love to rock some classic magura hydro rim stoppers ... those where awesome...
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    Travel

    Hey, that's my red bike above, leaning against the lawn mower. Can I adjust my forks for more travel and to bring the front of the bike up?


    It's a 98/99 frame while the Forks are 00 model but 99 manufactured.[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson View Post
    I still would love to rock some classic magura hydro rim stoppers ... those where awesome...
    Yes they are great! Going to put a set on my hack bike rather than leaver them in the drawer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beggaz View Post
    Hey, that's my red bike above, leaning against the lawn mower. Can I adjust my forks for more travel and to bring the front of the bike up?


    It's a 98/99 frame while the Forks are 00 model but 99 manufactured.
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    Nice ride: funnily enough I am thinking about reducing my front travel! so I am not sure if you can/should alter yours.

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    I'm shocked that you didn't realize that before putting those forks on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanleyButterfly View Post
    I'm shocked that you didn't realize that before putting those forks on.
    Sorry I don't understand - the Manitou X-Vert have 4.5" travel while the Junior T's have 5".

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    Just picked this up (ignor the "next seat" that's the first to go haha)

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    Sorry about the links, guess I can't post pics yet since this is my first post.
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    It's been quite a while since I've posted but finally got off my butt and got the full refurbishment of my '97 GC underway. Hopefully should have the old girl back next week and get riding on it. SO basically just a keep in touch update post for those who might be interested :-)

    Spec: MRP needle bearings & '00 Enduro 4 way linkage...Fox 36 Talas RLC Kashima & Fox Float RP23 Kashima...XT 755 4pot brakes w/ 203 & 185mm ICE rotors...full XT 10 speed groupset...Hadley 20mm front & 10mm bolt up rear hubs, DT spokes & Mavic X819 UST rims...King headset & spacers...Easton Haven Carbon bars, Specialized BG saddle, Enduro XL lock on grips & Captain Grid UST tyres...Thomson set back seat post, stem & seat post collar.

    Some pics before I sent it away to the bike shop to finish it off...enjoy!! Will post more pics when done.

    Take care guys,

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    Just a couple more pics :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe rumble View Post
    Just a couple more pics :-D
    Have you ridden this yet joe? If so, how do you like the Fox rp23 shock? Does it work well with the 4-bar rear linkage? I have heard some say that they bottom out the shock often no matter what they try. And that rig looks real nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bent Wheel View Post
    Have you ridden this yet joe? If so, how do you like the Fox rp23 shock? Does it work well with the 4-bar rear linkage? I have heard some say that they bottom out the shock often no matter what they try. And that rig looks real nice.

    Hey there & thanks for the kind words.

    No I haven't ridden it as yet. Fingers crossed the bike should be ready to go tomorrow. Had a few dramas trying to match new current components with some older components on an even older frame....but its looking insanely good.

    I've never ridden air suspension before so this is going to be all new to me. I can't see too many dramas with bottoming out the shock unless you're running the wrong air pressures or putting some insanely huge leverage through the shock via a long travel linkage trying to get eleventy million inches of travel from a 1.5" stroke shock that the vast majority of these FSR's all came with Specialized has specced out Fox air shocks on many frames without too many dramas so I'm pretty confident that this shock will be just fine.

    When I get the bike back I will post more pics of the finished build and some detail shots of the components mix I've chosen.

    Take care & catch you soon.....Joe

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    Come on Joe, it's been nearly a week. How is it riding......

    I have been in the process of putting one together for 18 months now!

    I have the red frame too (well mine is 1998), the same adjustable link as you from the 2001 Enduro and the chainstays from the Enduro too (handy with the disc mount and cartridge bearings). I have a 130mm Fox Float fork to go on on the front but the 165mm shock at the rear looks like it could go bigger and steepen the geometry back again from the jacked up fork. So I have a few questions - What is the eye to eye of your rear shock, what travel chip position have you settled on and what sort of actual travel do you think you are getting at the rear wheel? I will experiment myself I am sure, that's half the fun of doing this and why it is taking so long but I'd love to get another opinion.

    I have also recently fitted the Betd needle bearing main pivot bearing. My needle bearings knock or rattle when I drop the back of the bike on the floor - did yours do that and/or do you think I just need to tighten it up more?

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    I bought a frame off ebay a while ago but got an M instead of an L so I never built it up and recently sold it again.

    I think the pics I did for the sale turned out kinda nice though, so I figured I'd post them here if that's ok:




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    Quote Originally Posted by joe rumble View Post
    Hey there & thanks for the kind words.

    No I haven't ridden it as yet. Fingers crossed the bike should be ready to go tomorrow. Had a few dramas trying to match new current components with some older components on an even older frame....but its looking insanely good.

    I've never ridden air suspension before so this is going to be all new to me. I can't see too many dramas with bottoming out the shock unless you're running the wrong air pressures or putting some insanely huge leverage through the shock via a long travel linkage trying to get eleventy million inches of travel from a 1.5" stroke shock that the vast majority of these FSR's all came with Specialized has specced out Fox air shocks on many frames without too many dramas so I'm pretty confident that this shock will be just fine.

    When I get the bike back I will post more pics of the finished build and some detail shots of the components mix I've chosen.

    Take care & catch you soon.....Joe
    Have you taken it out yet Joe? Is that rear shock measurment 7.5 x 2? Just curious how that Fox shock works. May be going back to a coil rear shock here soon.
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    My FSR Pro

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmAwelon View Post
    Come on Joe, it's been nearly a week. How is it riding......

    I have been in the process of putting one together for 18 months now!

    I have the red frame too (well mine is 1998), the same adjustable link as you from the 2001 Enduro and the chainstays from the Enduro too (handy with the disc mount and cartridge bearings). I have a 130mm Fox Float fork to go on on the front but the 165mm shock at the rear looks like it could go bigger and steepen the geometry back again from the jacked up fork. So I have a few questions - What is the eye to eye of your rear shock, what travel chip position have you settled on and what sort of actual travel do you think you are getting at the rear wheel? I will experiment myself I am sure, that's half the fun of doing this and why it is taking so long but I'd love to get another opinion.

    I have also recently fitted the Betd needle bearing main pivot bearing. My needle bearings knock or rattle when I drop the back of the bike on the floor - did yours do that and/or do you think I just need to tighten it up more?
    I'm running a complete Risse Racing rear triangle on my 99 FSR, with a 7.5x2 air shock. This set-up has an adjustable Hex link, so I run it at it's slackest head angle. Up front I'm running a Float 36, 160mm. So with my set-up I'm getting 6+ inches of travel, front & rear. Bottom bracket height is about 14 inches. Hope this helps, at least a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bent Wheel View Post
    Have you taken it out yet Joe? Is that rear shock measurment 7.5 x 2? Just curious how that Fox shock works. May be going back to a coil rear shock here soon.
    Hi there,

    Yeah it's been out but not too hard just letting everything bed in. Well this had been an interesting build lots and lots of trial & error to get it working. I have a few questions to answer so I'll try to answer them all.

    Ok rear shock is a 6.5 x 1.5. it works great but feels really unbalanced with the Fox 36 up front...kind of like having a big plush front end and a firmer rear end. It soaks up the hits just fine, but just feels wierd having more travel up front than out back. There are no issues so far in running an RP23 with my bike.

    With the '01 Enduro link I'm running the chip in the steep head angle long travel position, in the slack head angle long travel position the shock was rubbing the tyres while riding...was funny because it sounded like small farts every time the suspension traveled far enough to make contact. But with the Fox 36 being a rather tall fork the head angles I have are pretty slack anyway so it works a treat in that respect. I'm getting around 5" of rear travel. I really works great but like I said before having 160mm up front makes the bike feel unbalanced in terms of suspension feel....it's not a bad thing, just different. In terms of feel well to my backside I think coils felt slightly better & plusher but the Fox stuff feels quite good overall.

    Jimm, my needle bearings were the MRP kit that I had scored on eBay quite a while ago. I had absolutely no problems with the pressing & install of these bearings. I did it myself with nothing more than the press tools that came with the kit and a G clamp. Then just the hex wrenches to put it all back together. I have got a couple of BETD bearings (one for the seat stay link & one for the shock link) they didn't come with press tools so I have to ask if your kit came with press tools to press the bearings in to the proper depth? From memory the drive side needle bearing is pressed flush with the outer surface of chainstay & the non drive side is pressed in a little deeper. But both should be flush on the inner surfaces. You could try nipping them up a smidgen....but not too much.

    I'll take some more pics of the finished bike & post them up very soon. Hope this has helped you guys in some way. If there's anything else you'd like to know then feel free to ask away.

    Thanks & take care....Joe 8)

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    Cheers Joe, some useful info there on the needle bearings and I have an old 7.5" Triad shock hanging around so will try that in there too. All gives me a good starting point for my fettling.
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    Hey Fred, I see you have a rear shock with a piggy back resv. Any interference issues?
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    Anytime Jimm, if you want some more specific measurements I'd be happy to provide them for you.

    I've got a 7.5" RP23....I don't mean to dash your ideas but I've already tried it and unless you're going to run a tall triple clamp that 7.5 will be waaaaay too long for most single crown forks.

    Now that I know I can't run my '01 Enduro link in all 4 positions I'm actually thinking of running my MRP linkage & coil shock for the full 6" travel rear that will balance up the travel of the bike. I have to press new bearings into the MRP link but I know that I will get 6" and it will match the travel of the Fox 36 beautifully. I wanted to run air suspension to keep the overall weight of the bike as light as possible hence the Kashima Talas & RP23. I thought that the bike wouldn't feel too bad with a longer travel front, but I think I'd feel more confident on a balanced bike, that would probably be worth the added weight of running the coil rear end again. Like I said it's all been trial & error, but in the process I've got quite alot of linkages, shocks & trinkets to try out on my MAX frames over the years so I'm a little spoilt for choice.

    Just for your info, the MRP link came with a Fox RX shock that was actually custom made for MRP by Fox and measures an odd 7" x 2" so you're only adding a half inch of shock length but still getting 2" of shock travel which shouldn't mess with the overall geometry, and give a nice plush leverage ratio of about 3:1, like the modern Enduro. Much better than trying to get over 6" of travel out of a 1.5" stroke shocks like with the BETD links. Too much leverage isn't overly good for the longevity of a shocks internals.

    Anyways enough of my ramblings....hope this helps you out a little.

    Take care....Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe rumble View Post
    Anytime Jimm, if you want some more specific measurements I'd be happy to provide them for you.

    I've got a 7.5" RP23....I don't mean to dash your ideas but I've already tried it and unless you're going to run a tall triple clamp that 7.5 will be waaaaay too long for most single crown forks.

    Now that I know I can't run my '01 Enduro link in all 4 positions I'm actually thinking of running my MRP linkage & coil shock for the full 6" travel rear that will balance up the travel of the bike. I have to press new bearings into the MRP link but I know that I will get 6" and it will match the travel of the Fox 36 beautifully. I wanted to run air suspension to keep the overall weight of the bike as light as possible hence the Kashima Talas & RP23. I thought that the bike wouldn't feel too bad with a longer travel front, but I think I'd feel more confident on a balanced bike, that would probably be worth the added weight of running the coil rear end again. Like I said it's all been trial & error, but in the process I've got quite alot of linkages, shocks & trinkets to try out on my MAX frames over the years so I'm a little spoilt for choice.

    Just for your info, the MRP link came with a Fox RX shock that was actually custom made for MRP by Fox and measures an odd 7" x 2" so you're only adding a half inch of shock length but still getting 2" of shock travel which shouldn't mess with the overall geometry, and give a nice plush leverage ratio of about 3:1, like the modern Enduro. Much better than trying to get over 6" of travel out of a 1.5" stroke shocks like with the BETD links. Too much leverage isn't overly good for the longevity of a shocks internals.

    Anyways enough of my ramblings....hope this helps you out a little.

    Take care....Joe
    Hey Joe, don't mean to hijack your post here, but I was just curious if you have tried a rear shock with the piggyback resv. on your Max frame.
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    No problem at all.

    Yes I have run piggy back shocks on my FSR with no dramas at all. They are older Fox RX's (which is basically a Fox Vanilla R but with a piggy back). You can't run overly long i2i shocks on these frames. I'm not sure how you'd go with modern piggy back shocks that have huge resevoirs though. I have 3 Fox RX's, a 5.75 x 1.5, 6.5 x 1.5 & 7 x 2 that came with the MRP link. No dramas with any of them.

    If you go back through this thread I've posted lots of pics of my frames including one of my red '97 MAX before as it was before this build that I've just done running the 5.75 x 1.5 RX. Also pics of various linkages, measurements and stuff.

    Take care....Joe

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    Anyone try to run 650B's on their bike?

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