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    Smoke & Dart are back...

    We still hang bike thieves in Wyoming [Pedal House]

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    I still have the original one from90s. I put new ones on my 26, rigid. The best tires ever made!

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    Quote Originally Posted by memi View Post
    I still have the original one from90s. I put new ones on my 26, rigid. The best tires ever made!
    I guess you have not ridden any modern tires,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Smedley View Post
    I guess you have not ridden any modern tires,
    You mean Smokes aren't modern?



    They look different.
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    Some folks think the Dart is a bit squirrelly. I, however, never had any issues and am glad they are back...
    Last edited by datasurfer; 02-15-2013 at 12:43 PM.

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    nice! Although the smoke/dart have been back for a while, getting them has been difficult and its nice to see the skinwalls...
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    Smoke & Dart are back...

    That's pretty cool of them to do.
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    Oh, I do. I also have Panaracer Rampage on my 29er, and Kenda small block 8. I used before other tires.
    I just enjoyed using the dart and smoke.

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    I always liked Smokes front and rear. Never got into that newfangled Dart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer View Post
    I always liked Smokes front and rear. Never got into that newfangled Dart.
    A Smoke in front with a faster rolling tire in the back used to be the preferred set up here in the Mid-West back in the early 90's too.

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    yeah, never got on with the dart... smoke up front, smoke light out back ftw. Currently running smoke classics front and rear on one bike actually for a year now, still great tyres
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    I'm kinda bummed they look so much like the originals. Vintage rubber is rare and sometimes brings a nice price (or is an unmentioned bonus). This muddies the waters and can lower price and demand of the originals.

    The Dart seemed a bit much for a front tire. Smoke in the back and Porc in the front for me.

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    I'll run double Smokes in a pinch. Fresh skin walls, great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundoggy View Post
    I'm kinda bummed they look so much like the originals. Vintage rubber is rare and sometimes brings a nice price (or is an unmentioned bonus). This muddies the waters and can lower price and demand of the originals.
    Another case in point: Turbos. Though the perforated ones still do well since they weren't reissued. Old leather is better than new vinyl anyway....even if the fixed gear crowd doesn't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundoggy View Post
    I'm kinda bummed they look so much like the originals. Vintage rubber is rare and sometimes brings a nice price (or is an unmentioned bonus). This muddies the waters and can lower price and demand of the originals.
    The new rubber is really nice compared to a lot of dried out old tires. I recently switch a bike that original front a rear Smokes on it, to a Smoke/Dart combo (black walls - which have been available for a long time) and the new tires were many many many times more supple over bumps. Old tires are nice for looks, but unless they've been stored appropriately don't work all that great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer View Post
    I always liked Smokes front and rear. Never got into that newfangled Dart.
    Yep, me too.

    My all time favorite combo was Smoke Lite Comps front and rear.
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    My LBS said they'd be $55 a pop.
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    are they kevlar? as mine are only steel sadly.
    Just got a bunch of the ritcheys from first flight sent over, but will ahve to get these as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    My LBS said they'd be $55 a pop.
    You did not catch Performance when they were blowing them out for $15.00 each around a year and a half ago? I bought two sets , sadly the 2.1's are pretty low volume for running rigid so they are just sitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    Another case in point: Turbos. Though the perforated ones still do well since they weren't reissued. Old leather is better than new vinyl anyway....even if the fixed gear crowd doesn't care.
    The new re-released Turbos look a little odd and are easily distinguishable from the originals IMO.

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    Agreed, but they sucked up the market nonetheless. That, and the decline of fixed gear fever.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    Sort of relieved I'm not the only one seeing a downside but they do look awesome and I would agree with the 'new rubber' point.

    $55 a pop isn't too bad and after further review they are a unique design so ID shouldn't be a huge issue. In a year Performance may be clearing them out at $20 a pop just to clear shelf space unless they are a big seller. Still worth buying to support the effort if you want to see some treads reissued in the future.

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    Great classic design, good to know its available as the ones on my Goat made an interesting cracking noise when I pumped them up last time. Never gave the Dart much of a chance as I was happy with a Smoke front and rear BITD.

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    when they were king of trails, smokes looked massive to me. Now they are skinny compared to 2.3 tires that are the norm.
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    I tried the Dart BITD, but it seemed like it wanted to wash out in the loose stuff, so back to the Smokes on both ends.

    Looking forward to getting some reissues!
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