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    Colky, I appreciate the tips, but I've been riding the bike like this for a at least a year now. I actually moved the brake levers up after a while, as it felt best there. If I'm riding super technical trails, I take my IF. Cheers!

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    As stated countless times in this thread, the "proper" set up gets your hands in the hooks where they would be on a flat bar set up. The flared bars where designed to be ridden in the drops most of the time. Because of the flair riding on the hoods is less than ideal. The best frames for this tend to have taller head tubes and often shorter top tubes. High rise/short reach stems plus shifter perches that allow access from the hooks are the finishing touches. The stems are easier to find than the perches.
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    I also moved the brakes up on my RB-2 road bike. Blasphemy, I know...after riding my cross bike a lot in the past 2 years, I find the "cross" high brakes feel good on my wrist. So that's why they are where they are on my Bonti. I have "cross" brakes on all my "drop bar" bikes, because I ride on the flats a lot, and after decades of dirt bikes and mountain bikes, I'm programmed to grab for them. Bar end shifters on all 3 also. See how I'm wired? Consistency.

    I also have 175 cranks on ALL my bikes, road, mountain and cross. Because it WORKS for me and again, consistency.

    Yes, I've read this (and others) post from cover to cover. Odd that many may think I have not tried "it". I know what the "proper" set up is, I simply choose to do what's best for me.

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    Bonty dirt drop...continued

    For whatever reason there's been a bunch of Bontrgaer dirt drops appearing on this thread. So, I'm usually more iconoclastic, but I'll follow suite though I've been planning to do this for some time. In either case, this is just the start and I know the bars are probably 1/4" to 1/2" too high, but I'm picking up a Bonty chrome comp fork (much gratitude to a Mr. Lee D for those!) and hoping it might drop the front end a tad, you think? Next in line are dia compe aero levers, going with barcons until hell freezes over and I can get WTB conversions....I think she will do nicely from a preliminary sit over.....BTW it's a pretty nice (I know common) 91', large, with semi-horizontal d-outs, eggplant Bontrager, but my bike leanings are Santa Cruz by origin...we shall see. Ride report coming in the next 1-2 weeks. Side note...rain rain rain !!!!yay

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    That's a large? It looks so tiny with that stem on it.

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    I know, it's a bit of a Goonie, but it feels good when I'm on it, though only a proper ride will tell. The frame is definitely a large. I think things will get visually balanced out as I progress and fine tune. See you Saturday

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    Yours may be the first I've seen with a suspension fork.

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    Ha ha, it'll be replaced with a nice chrome Bontrager fork shortly, but I'm wondering what peeps think of the initial set up. Dig it and no one likes rain? Cheers to rain

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    Hmmmm. Is there a next bigger size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claus View Post
    Ha ha, it'll be replaced with a nice chrome Bontrager fork shortly, but I'm wondering what peeps think of the initial set up. Dig it and no one likes rain? Cheers to rain
    I like it. The amount of seatpost says the frame is ok. Bar height is fine and dandy. Looking at the short stem w/ flat bar i wonder if the top tube/ saddle to drops is too long. You will have to ride and see.
    The bontrager fork will steepen everything and reduce front end. NOt my cup of tea but some people like it.
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    The original drop bar conversion for my Bonty a few years back: Cobbled together from stuff i had -700c wheels, BMX adaptor for rear canto’s to move them “up”, Kelly road stem-almost no rise, so a mile of spacers to get height. Surley crosscheck fork, 35 wide tires-plenty of room for larger. Did this conversion just for the heck of it, raced a couple of cross races on it, did a lot of trail riding with it. Only time it felt sketchy was fast corners on the road, tall BB height. Eventually returned to 26 wheels, as KB intended it to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    I like it. The amount of seatpost says the frame is ok. Bar height is fine and dandy. Looking at the short stem w/ flat bar i wonder if the top tube/ saddle to drops is too long. You will have to ride and see.
    The bontrager fork will steepen everything and reduce front end. NOt my cup of tea but some people like it.
    Thanks for the input Flávio, I think she'll work out, actually in the drops I was concerned I might be too upright, but yes only miles will tell, very excited to get the Bonty fork on there, aesthetically and functionally. Headed out to get me and the Lobster nice and muddy. BTW someone needs to post up a non-Bonty drop, the threads getting too SC. Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claus View Post
    For whatever reason there's been a bunch of Bontrgaer dirt drops appearing on this thread. So, I'm usually more iconoclastic, but I'll follow suite though I've been planning to do this for some time. In either case, this is just the start and I know the bars are probably 1/4" to 1/2" too high, but I'm picking up a Bonty chrome comp fork (much gratitude to a Mr. Lee D for those!) and hoping it might drop the front end a tad, you think? Next in line are dia compe aero levers, going with barcons until hell freezes over and I can get WTB conversions....I think she will do nicely from a preliminary sit over.....BTW it's a pretty nice (I know common) 91', large, with semi-horizontal d-outs, eggplant Bontrager, but my bike leanings are Santa Cruz by origin...we shall see. Ride report coming in the next 1-2 weeks. Side note...rain rain rain !!!!yay

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    Cheers and ride on
    Definitely cool! Would love to find one of those Salsa stems one day. I too am throwing together a bontrager build with WTB drop bars. Not quite as Vintage as yours but I'm still excited to ride it. Almost finished.The single consolidated official drop bar thread-image.jpgThe single consolidated official drop bar thread-image.jpg

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    Nice lookin rig Wissa, I do wish my WTBs weren't cut quite as much as they are, but price was very right. You're father along than I, nice clean stealthy looking bike you have, hope you enjoy the ride. The Bonty drop trend continues. Cheers

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    Yummy, all you need is some butter and lemon! About to head out for an afternoon ride on that ones cousin. Dig it

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    I got bored of my old 1993 Rockhopper drop bar conversion, so I decided to build this guy. Specifically, my Rockhopper was only able to tackle terrain similar to my normal CX bike, so I wanted to make my conversion a bit more capable to create some separation between the two in terms of usage scenario. That's the purpose the disc brakes and suspension fork serve.

    With cobbled together heavy parts, this thing weighs 27.2lbs as shown. I need to shed some weight, probably in the pedals, tires, and crankset. If I want to make it even lighter, I also have an old carbon rigid MTB fork laying around. I also intend to put on a 48t outer chainring to make it a bit faster on smoother surfaces.

    This thing will be used for touring, adventure rides, and commuting. Judging from my first ride on it, it'll be a perfect companion for all three!

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    Another go at it....

    Here we go, I think this project is coming along relatively well, though if anything is too jinkie I'm sure I'll hear about it, be kind. A couple things to sort out, I think I'll ditch the Control Tech brake in the back they don't seem to get along with the road levers, I'll add the M900s. Speaking of levers, I think I've asked before, but can't find where, what levers would be ideal here, smooth and strong pull?

    Another brake related issue, I need a pretty thin front cable hanger, suggestions? I'd love WTBs, but any other attainable ideas?

    In either case she's come a long way from a bare frame, my 1900/91 purple Bontrager was the organ donor, the majority of the parts were taken off that (anyone interested? size L, I'll post that properly)...Hoping to get it all set for an inaugural ride next weekend, the recent rains have made the Bay Area trails perfect!

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    Ritchey? Dis-Compe are thinner though.

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    Lower a bit down the brake levers. Rotate the bars a bit up.
    Get a turbo saddle.
    Levers= shimano.
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    Thanks for the input (and being kind), sticking with the flight though, they fit my tushy perfectly. Will find a pair of Shimano levers and maybe a Ritchey cable hanger. I know there's a few of these JBs in the Bay Area, but I'll try later to tweak her my way, I just want get a first ride in. Black neubaum tape or maroon, hmmm. I'll throw it out there in futility WTB shifter mounts???? Dig it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claus View Post
    Thanks for the input (and being kind), sticking with the flight though, they fit my tushy perfectly. Will find a pair of Shimano levers and maybe a Ritchey cable hanger. I know there's a few of these JBs in the Bay Area, but I'll try later to tweak her my way, I just want get a first ride in. Black neubaum tape or maroon, hmmm. I'll throw it out there in futility WTB shifter mounts???? Dig it
    Bike is looking awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claus View Post
    Here we go, I think this project is coming along relatively well, though if anything is too jinkie I'm sure I'll hear about it, be kind. A couple things to sort out, I think I'll ditch the Control Tech brake in the back they don't seem to get along with the road levers, I'll add the M900s. Speaking of levers, I think I've asked before, but can't find where, what levers would be ideal here, smooth and strong pull?

    Another brake related issue, I need a pretty thin front cable hanger, suggestions? I'd love WTBs, but any other attainable ideas?

    In either case she's come a long way from a bare frame, my 1900/91 purple Bontrager was the organ donor, the majority of the parts were taken off that (anyone interested? size L, I'll post that properly)...Hoping to get it all set for an inaugural ride next weekend, the recent rains have made the Bay Area trails perfect!
    The Shimano hangers are pretty thin and (should) have a barrel adjuster. I'm assuming your rear hanger does? Otherwise you'll have to run in-line adjusters for proper brake micro-adjustment/tuning.
    The lever location looks ok, but I otherwise agree 100% with Colker's suggestions.
    Ends of the drop bars should at least be following the line of the top tube or at the most be pointing towards the rear derailleur depending on preferences.
    Keep in theme with the rest of the M900 build. M900 brakes are terrific and will pull great with some 7400 Dura Ace brake levers.
    Build otherwise looks like it's coming along great!



    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    Rotate the bars a bit up.
    Get a turbo saddle.
    Levers= shimano.
    brakes= shimano.
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    Bought new in late '94. Tough to find single threadless adapter in 1.125 (VO has height I need but 1") so I MacGuyvered a Sunlight quill extender with another adapter inserted into that. I'm insured, and giddy. I just prefer the ridiculous steerer rise look to the ridiculous stem rise look. More soon as I build...

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    I just have to comment, so I'll get an email reminder of where I've been. Every 26" mtb I see now looks like it should have drops on it. I'm glad I found this thread.

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    She's done, and rides beautifully. Glad I never sold this bike.








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    Here's mine, built from a Kona Kula.

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    Nothing new under the sun...

    Drop bar, single speed, all-road

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Dude View Post
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    Nothing new, indeed. Proof of concept: Coconino Cycling Club, circa 1897.

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    Considering where and when and how they rode, it's safe to say, they were some pretty darn serious hard-core off-road fixed-gear drop-bar cyclists. I researched the Club and wrote this short article for Bike about them many years ago (pls pardon the self-promo if you find such things offensive).

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    there was a vintage mtb drop bar conversion thread with 230+ pages I've lost track, can some point me in the right direction.
    thanx

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    Same but different...

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    Cheers and ride on[/QUOTE]


    I just love the fact that all these old darlings are still around in dark corners of attics and garages.
    Had a go at mine, a couple of months ago.
    It is a very early model level top tube Bontrager from before the race/racelite distinction. I bought it second hand in 1994 and it had remnants of the early square decal kit on it, not the later, angled ones. I estimate it to be of 1989/1990 vintage(riveted cable stops and so on).
    The cranks suck (on here) but I have a set of steel Tiogas somewhere, they´ll do nicely, when I eventually find them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeydalton View Post
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    Cheers and ride on

    I just love the fact that all these old darlings are still around in dark corners of attics and garages.
    Had a go at mine, a couple of months ago.
    It is a very early model level top tube Bontrager from before the race/racelite distinction. I bought it second hand in 1994 and it had remnants of the early square decal kit on it, not the later, angled ones. I estimate it to be of 1989/1990 vintage(riveted cable stops and so on).
    The cranks suck (on here) but I have a set of steel Tiogas somewhere, they´ll do nicely, when I eventually find them...
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    Cool! But why no Cook Bros or XT instead of the Tioga R. as crank alternative?

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    Cause I have no Cooks and I like using the bits and bobs that I have floating around.
    And, of course, I much prefer the Tioga cranks.

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    Well, this I can understand. Good luck with finding them

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    In the making

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    Hello, here s my first conversion 26er drop bar.

    Frame: Bressan italian steel frame 56cm




    Inviato dal mio XT1092 utilizzando Tapatalk

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    The single consolidated official drop bar thread

    Cannondale Slate, KS LEV 272 dropper post, Shimano XT 11-40 cassette and SGS rear derailleur, Schwalbe 650b x 41 G-One all arounds. 25.0lbs with pedals, cages, Garmin 500 and forward mount, front light mount, rear taillight and 50-34 chainrings
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    I was thinking about taking a late 80s-mid 90s 26" rigid bike and set it up as a drop bar bike. I am 5'9" and I know what size road and mtb tends to fit me (52-54cm/ 17-18"), but this drop bar thing breaks all the rules. I don't want to waste time and money on a bike that won't fit.

    what size "vintage" 26" bike should i be looking for? I have a line on a 16-inch rigid Barracuda A2V, but so far as I can tell, I am going need a totally whacky stem to make it fit with drop bars. here's a screenshot from the 1996 Barracuda catalog showing their geometry-

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    so, for those of you who are riding old 26" drop bar conversions, how tall are you and what size frame were you able to make work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    I was thinking about taking a late 80s-mid 90s 26" rigid bike and set it up as a drop bar bike. I am 5'9" and I know what size road and mtb tends to fit me (52-54cm/ 17-18"), but this drop bar thing breaks all the rules. I don't want to waste time and money on a bike that won't fit.

    what size "vintage" 26" bike should i be looking for? I have a line on a 16-inch rigid Barracuda A2V, but so far as I can tell, I am going need a totally whacky stem to make it fit with drop bars. here's a screenshot from the 1996 Barracuda catalog showing their geometry-

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    so, for those of you who are riding old 26" drop bar conversions, how tall are you and what size frame were you able to make work?
    Hi! Basically a MTB with Dirt Drops should have a) a long headtube and b) a shorter toptube then you usually would ride. From my experience I can tell, that you'll need a high rise stem in most of the cases to get it comfortable. Keep in mind that just a handful of bike bitd where designed especially for drops, so for the most part it is try and error - but once you find a matching frame/stem/bar combo its great. I promise

    Maybe the pics can help you to get an idea...

    1987 British Eagle (20") - even with a really long headtube, the Salsa P10 it just a bit to high:


    1992 Rock Lobster (19") - this one fits perfect!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    so, for those of you who are riding old 26" drop bar conversions, how tall are you and what size frame were you able to make work?
    I've had two:

    IMAG0491

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    These were both setup for riding primarily on the hoods, but the drops are usable for descents or for cruising.

    Both of these frames are also my size with flatbars, but that's because they were meant for 100+mm stems. So with a ~60mm they fit fine with a dirtdrop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caemis View Post

    1999/2000 Matt Chester Utilitiman (19") - still in the build but going with a Velo Organge LD stem
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    Quote Originally Posted by caemis View Post
    Hi! Basically a MTB with Dirt Drops should have a) a long headtube and b) a shorter toptube then you usually would ride. From my experience I can tell, that you'll need a high rise stem in most of the cases to get it comfortable. Keep in mind that just a handful of bike bitd where designed especially for drops, so for the most part it is try and error - but once you find a matching frame/stem/bar combo its great. I promise

    Maybe the pics can help you to get an idea...

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    +1 - Nice find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne View Post
    +1 - Nice find.

    My Chester is my most ridden bike.

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    Wow, you actually have a Matt Chester. A lot of folks are still waiting for theirs.
    A garage full of steel frames means happiness.

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    Thanks J. ! I cant build it as fast as I'd like to, but at least I could fit the stem:



    Merry X-Mas to all of you (and for thoose who had Chanukka already, a belated 'chag sameach')

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    Hunter is coming along
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    Enjoy the ride...

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    Height 6' 2", 187cm
    Frame size 19.5", 49.5cm, 57cm ETT

    The single consolidated official drop bar thread-img_20171003_163822544_hdr.jpg

    It seems to me the key to an effective conversion is finding a frame lightly smaller than what you'd generally consider to offset the extra reach of the drop bar and hoods. Modern frames have waaay too long top tubes for drop conversions. I love the low front on steep long climbs. The best commonly available brakes for vintage conversions are normal mtb v-brakes with Travel Agent adapters if you're using short-pull brifters. Don't even bother with cantilevers, the wide-angle type work better but they stick out too far and create a safety hazard.

    I would love to build a lightweight modern version of this bike with disk brakes. About the only option for this is a chinese carbon "gravel bike" frame designed for 27.5 x 2.1 wheels/tires. You're almost better off doing that instead of looking all over for vintage parts. If you already have a road bike that fits then you know the measurements you need for a new build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esXso View Post
    I would love to build a lightweight modern version of this bike with disk brakes. About the only option for this is a chinese carbon "gravel bike" frame designed for 27.5 x 2.1 wheels/tires. You're almost better off doing that instead of looking all over for vintage parts.
    Why, because there's no disc ready 26" frames popping up on eBay from time to time? I'm not trying to pick an argument, just that I think there's plenty of disc ready options in 26", good steel or carbon ones, and you don't need to source something new.

    Decent quality frame, carbon fork, discs front and rear, drivetrain of your choice, and ride all day long.

    I've got one set up, using Avid BB-7 road discs, that work great with the Cane Creek drop bar levers.

    I like the side on profile of yours, got any other pics?

    Grumps

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    Few months ago at a really cold winter day... Unfortunately the VO stem didnt survive - fortunately I am already in a queue for a Clockwork made stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caemis View Post


    Few months ago at a really cold winter day... Unfortunately the VO stem didnt survive - fortunately I am already in a queue for a Clockwork made stem.
    What happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2 View Post
    What happened?
    Nothing worse. While swapping the bars one of the faceplate screws get slightly stucked and f*cked up the threading completly...

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    The goal was to keep this as cheap as possible. So far so good but the hooks are still too low. I was looking at a vo quill stem adapter 1", any thoughts? I know they make shims to use with 1 1/8 fork.

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    I have been working on this IBOC Team, but having trouble getting the geometry right to feel comfortable (it's at max stem height). I plan to give it another try soon, but otherwise it will be converted back to a flat bar.

    The single consolidated official drop bar thread-mongoose-iboc-team-forum.jpg

    Handlebar: Salsa Cowbell
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    Stem: Origin8 Pro-Fit

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsup View Post
    I have been working on this IBOC Team, but having trouble getting the geometry right to feel comfortable (it's at max stem height). I plan to give it another try soon, but otherwise it will be converted back to a flat bar.

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    Handlebar: Salsa Cowbell
    Shifters: MicroNew 3x7
    Stem: Origin8 Pro-Fit
    The setup seems to bee pretty long. Stem height/saddle ratio (both should be on the same level) seems fine. My guess:
    1. your stem is way to long - get it 100mm or even less! 2. The brake lever should be moved down the bars: in the current position your' riding in the levers hoods or you can not grab them while riding in the drops.

    Gettin the setup like John Tomac is 100% the wrong approach At least in order to make the bike feel comfortable...

    Go on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsup View Post
    I have been working on this IBOC Team, but having trouble getting the geometry right to feel comfortable (it's at max stem height). I plan to give it another try soon, but otherwise it will be converted back to a flat bar.

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    Handlebar: Salsa Cowbell
    Shifters: MicroNew 3x7
    Stem: Origin8 Pro-Fit
    Needs an LD stem. Use a quill adapter & a Velo Orange Cigne stem. I’ve got one to sell if you’re interested.


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    Quote Originally Posted by caemis View Post
    The setup seems to bee pretty long. Stem height/saddle ratio (both should be on the same level) seems fine. My guess:
    1. your stem is way to long - get it 100mm or even less! 2. The brake lever should be moved down the bars: in the current position your' riding in the levers hoods or you can not grab them while riding in the drops.

    Gettin the setup like John Tomac is 100% the wrong approach At least in order to make the bike feel comfortable...

    Go on!
    Thanks for the suggestions. I measured the saddle to bars and it is very close (within a centimeter) to my other drop bar bikes that are comfortable. I have a long torso compared to my legs.

    The bars are about an inch or 2 higher than the saddle and I usually like them at the same height. I think the problem is that it is a 20.5in frame when I usually ride a 22in. I have a 22in 950 which I may try next to see if I can get the bars and saddle at the same height.

    I made adjustments to the saddle and bars when I was test riding it around the block. I think before I took that photo I tilted the bars up to see how it would feel. The John Tomac approach was not intentional.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1 cog frog View Post
    Needs an LD stem. Use a quill adapter & a Velo Orange Cigne stem. I’ve got one to sell if you’re interested.
    This is a budget build and that stem cost new more than what I paid for the complete bike.

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