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    Ritchey P22 project...



    Gonna be a long road til completion on this build as I do not have correct components... But I cannot wait to begin!!

    Seems like there is plenty of info online regarding the P21 or P23's. Are the P22's considered rare or more scarce for some reason? Any insight is very helpful!

    Thanks!

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    That thing went for way way under market! Nice pick up. I trust we'll be seeing it at K'Ville 2013?

    Glad it included the original matching rigid fork too. My size and a great color...I was reeeeally tempted to bid.

    Not any more or less scarce than 23 or 21's I don't think. If you decide to go period correct, you'll have a nice light, user friendly classic. Full M732/Ritchey Logic build.
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    Nice score, I was tempted as well. Using the decals to I.D. I believe you have a 1995. TR took a P23 frame set added a Logic Pro build kit and called it a P22. He was able to get the weight down from 23 lbs to 22 lbs. Here's an excerpt from the 95 catalog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    That thing went for way way under market! Nice pick up. I trust we'll be seeing it at K'Ville 2013?

    Glad it included the original matching rigid fork too. My size and a great color...I was reeeeally tempted to bid.

    Not any more or less scarce than 23 or 21's I don't think. If you decide to go period correct, you'll have a nice light, user friendly classic. Full M732/Ritchey Logic build.
    Ooohhh, K'Ville 2013. Cannot wait. Good goal to have this one ready too!

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    Ben! Nice pick up! Wait until you ride it....it's so much fun. I was wondering if we were going to see that one again.

    Congratulations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnw View Post
    Nice score, I was tempted as well. Using the decals to I.D. I believe you have a 1995. TR took a P23 frame set added a Logic Pro build kit and called it a P22. He was able to get the weight down from 23 lbs to 22 lbs. Here's an excerpt from the 95 catalog.
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    Thanks for the info! I found this one too.

    http://www.oldmountainbikes.com/cata...hey1995_03.jpg

    Briefly searching bike part "sources", it doesn't look like it will be too easy to find the missing bits either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benster View Post
    Thanks for the info! I found this one too.

    http://www.oldmountainbikes.com/cata...hey1995_03.jpg

    Briefly searching bike part "sources", it doesn't look like it will be too easy to find the missing bits either.

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    Nah, full WCS/Logic/XT build will be easy. Might take you to the wire before K'Ville....but its doable.
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    Nice project. that's the shortest head tube i have ever seen... 18in?

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    It auctioned off 2x so I'd say that's about market value. How is the condition of the fork?

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    Certainly a good price....Digging it!
    A great project....
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    Nice project. that's the shortest head tube i have ever seen... 18in?
    HT on my 19" is about the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by klasse View Post
    It auctioned off 2x so I'd say that's about market value. How is the condition of the fork?
    Seller did a bad job selling. Relist deffo didn't help.
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    i have been thinking obsessively about this frame since yesterday. help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    i have been thinking obsessively about this frame since yesterday. help.
    Dont know if this will help you out much, but here are the extra's that came along with this gem.


    The forks are as described and in perfect order and completely original. The bars and stem that came along are not so original. I don't know anything about the 3T bars and the control stem with Ritchey sticker/logo on top seems quite odd. I may actually use the bars as they are also in very good condition. The stem will most likely go into the parts bin.

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    the stem is worth some $ on ebay since it has cable hanger.. get rid of the handlebar and get a ritchey! no ifs or buts.
    it's hard to find a 130mm wcs stem but the 140 is easy. go figure.
    i would build w/a white selle turbo and xt everywhere maybe go suntour on the headset just because...
    (does it fit you?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    the stem is worth some $ on ebay since it has cable hanger.. get rid of the handlebar and get a ritchey! no ifs or buts.
    it's hard to find a 130mm wcs stem but the 140 is easy. go figure.
    i would build w/a white selle turbo and xt everywhere maybe go suntour on the headset just because...
    (does it fit you?)
    Dunno, have not ridden it yet!

    At 6ft, it will be very close.

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    I still have the bone stock build that came on my 95 P22, if you have any questions feel free to PM me. Shawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benster View Post
    At 6ft, it will be very close.
    Hmmm... 6'0" seems mighty tall for that frame.
    Each bicycle owned exponentially increases the probability that none is working correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Hmmm... 6'0" seems mighty tall for that frame.
    Could be pushing it.

    18" or 19"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Could be pushing it.

    18" or 19"?
    A 6'0" person is taller than average. I'd say that that frame was smaller than average. A 6-foot rider should likely be on at least a 19 or 20 inch frame. I'm less than 6'1" and had a 21" frame with a 135mm stem and it fit me well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    A 6'0" person is taller than average. I'd say that that frame was smaller than average. A 6-foot rider should likely be on at least a 19 or 20 inch frame. I'm less than 6'1" and had a 21" frame with a 135mm stem and it fit me well.
    I'm 5'9 and my 18" P-bikes fit me like a glove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    A 6'0" person is taller than average. I'd say that that frame was smaller than average. A 6-foot rider should likely be on at least a 19 or 20 inch frame. I'm less than 6'1" and had a 21" frame with a 135mm stem and it fit me well.

    5'11", 19" frame, 140(ish) stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    5'11", 19" frame, 140(ish) stem.
    I love the paint on that one.

    6' 1/2" on a 21" frame; 135mm stem and lots of post showing:

    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/ritchey_comp/100_0660.JPG" height="600" width="800">
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    All things being almost equal...seems it is partially personal preference as to whether you like the a racey ride all bent over like that.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
    And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD5h3y0a9AU

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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y View Post
    All things being almost equal...seems it is partially personal preference as to whether you like the a racey ride all bent over like that.
    Bar height is crucial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    I love the paint on that one.

    6' 1/2" on a 21" frame; 135mm stem and lots of post showing:

    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/ritchey_comp/100_0660.JPG" height="600" width="800">

    That is one creative build. I like it. Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    That is one creative build. I like it. Why not?
    Unfortunately I sold this one a few years back. I decided that I more than enough "modern" hardtails.
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    Had an opportunity to properly measure and this one is actually a 19".
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    So.. how does one fit a P bike?? the headtubes are incredibly short. Say, a 32in inseam and 5.8ish height.. 18in bike? 19in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnw View Post
    I'm 5'9 and my 18" P-bikes fit me like a glove.
    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    So.. how does one fit a P bike?? the headtubes are incredibly short. Say, a 32in inseam and 5.8ish height.. 18in bike? 19in?
    Rumpfy likes to "whip them around."

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    So.. how does one fit a P bike?? the headtubes are incredibly short. Say, a 32in inseam and 5.8ish height.. 18in bike? 19in?
    Size with the top tube length, like you would on other bikes.

    The head tubes actually aren't that short. Ritchey measures their frames center-to-top with a relatively level top tube. So don't compare the seat tube length to a frame that measures center-to-center with a sloping top tube and expect the number to be similar.

    A 21" Richey had a 23" top tube with a 74 degree STA. Bontrager (another brand that I like) measured their frames center-to-center, and their "large" frame (17 inches) has a 23" top tube with a 74 degree STA exactly the same as the Ritchey. So a 21" Ritchey frame fits the same riders as a 17" Bontrager - although the Bontrager has more standover clearance (and I'm pretty sure that Rithcey has a taller head tube).
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    And has other stated which size bike is "correct" varies by rider. I know that Rumpfy likes frames sized smaller than I do, and he can make them do things in the air that I can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    I know that Rumpfy likes frames sized smaller than I do, and he can make them do things in the air that I can't.
    Like crash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Size with the top tube length, like you would on other bikes.

    The head tubes actually aren't that short. Ritchey measures their frames center-to-top with a relatively level top tube. So don't compare the seat tube length to a frame that measures center-to-center with a sloping top tube and expect the number to be similar.

    A 21" Richey had a 23" top tube with a 74 degree STA. Bontrager (another brand that I like) measured their frames center-to-center, and their "large" frame (17 inches) has a 23" top tube with a 74 degree STA exactly the same as the Ritchey. So a 21" Ritchey frame fits the same riders as a 17" Bontrager - although the Bontrager has more standover clearance (and I'm pretty sure that Rithcey has a taller head tube).
    I believe the correct way would be to measure front center(?) since a 23in top tube on a bike w/a 72º seat tube is not the same as 23in on another w/ 74º seat tube. I am pretty the name is something else other than front center
    the head tube on that 19 in frame is pretty short! Though Ritcheys end up w/ 10º rise stems longer than everyone else's which raises the Hbar so I still don't know if i should ride an 18in or 19in. I am pretty obsessed about having the right fit on my bikes. Obsessed is an understatement...

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Rumpfy likes to "whip them around."
    Rumpfy did more with my P-21 in 5 minutes than I have ever done. Next time I will have him sign a disclaimer

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnw View Post
    Rumpfy did more with my P-21 in 5 minutes than I have ever done. Next time I will have him sign a disclaimer
    Haha! We're not talking about riding any more are we?


    You mean the China Camp ride?
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    Ben, I wouldn't sink too much into this on the initial build. Once I ride it, and if I like the fit and ride, then I could see pouring more money on top of it. You may find that it feels flimsy & significantly less solid than your MB1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klasse View Post
    Ben, I wouldn't sink too much into this on the initial build. Once I ride it, and if I like the fit and ride, then I could see pouring more money on top of it. You may find that it feels flimsy & significantly less solid than your MB1.
    Personally, I have/had both and I would not say the Ritchey is more flimsy. It's a great bike and quite a bit of fun. Lively and fun both up and down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Personally, I have/had both and I would not say the Ritchey is more flimsy. It's a great bike and quite a bit of fun. Lively and fun both up and down.
    That will likely vary with a bigger (heavier) rider. Sounds like light, thin steel.

    just sayin' I wouldn't sink too much $$$ into it on the initial build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klasse View Post
    That will likely vary with a bigger (heavier) rider. Sounds like light, thin steel.

    just sayin' I wouldn't sink too much $$$ into it on the initial build.
    Huh. I can see that. They're both Prestige tubing though. Not sure if Ritchey's Prestige would actually be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klasse View Post
    Ben, I wouldn't sink too much into this on the initial build. Once I ride it, and if I like the fit and ride, then I could see pouring more money on top of it. You may find that it feels flimsy & significantly less solid than your MB1.
    Meh,
    Go for it Ben.....Do it right the first time. if you don't like it, purge the frame and keep the top shelf parts for a different project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Huh. I can see that. They're both Prestige tubing though. Not sure if Ritchey's Prestige would actually be different.
    smaller diameter down tube maybe? it does affect the ride a lot. personally, i like flex when done right and don't like stiff bikes.
    i am not so enthusiatic of low bb.. but i never rode a ritchey P bike and the whole package is what counts, not a detail here and there.

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    Well, since you asked, I must confess... The initial build will most likley end up somewhere in the middle. No worries purists, I won't go too lame with the initial set up. And if I do, I won't tell you guys!

    My issue is I fully recognize that my lack of patience will require that I build this bike the best I can in the quickest manner. As an example, I have had early LX Parallax/Mavic 231(?) wheels hanging in my garage for years and will use these initially. Certainly not XT per catalog spec, but they should do for initial set up. I'm not even sure what the differences are between XT vs LX parallax hubs but it's probably not much (bearings?) My current focus is more on acquiring the M737 XT shifters, f/r derailleurs, Logic brakes and Logic Cranks for now. Not really looking for only WCS level either. I am sooo looking forward to having this one complete! You guys keep me motivated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benster View Post
    Well, since you asked, I must confess... The initial build will most likley end up somewhere in the middle. No worries purists, I won't go too lame with the initial set up. And if I do, I won't tell you guys!

    My issue is I fully recognize that my lack of patience will require that I build this bike the best I can in the quickest manner. As an example, I have had an early LX Parallax/Mavic 231(?) wheels hanging in my garage for years and will use these initially. Certainly not XT per catalog spec, but they should do for initial set up. I'm not even sure what the differences are between XT vs LX parallax hubs but it's probably not much (bearings?) My current focus is more on acquiring the M737 XT shifters, f/r derailleurs, Logic brakes and Logic Cranks for now. Not really looking for only WCS level either. I am sooo looking forward to having this one complete! You guys keep me motivated!

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    I've got an m732 XT wheelset I can bring to K'Ville if you want.
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    Slow down big feller....You have until March....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    I've got an m732 XT wheelset I can bring to K'Ville if you want.
    YES, WANT! Wait, FNG Question, would I need to go 7 speed rather than 8 speed with M732?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    I've got an m732 XT wheelset I can bring to K'Ville if you want.
    what kind of rims, hole # and how much? you can buy a Classified ad if this is for sale

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer View Post
    Slow down big feller....You have until March....
    So true, and based on how often I have not been riding lately (new baby girl and 95 degree socal heat) there really is no rush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benster View Post
    Well, since you asked, I must confess... The initial build will most likley end up somewhere in the middle. No worries purists, I won't go too lame with the initial set up. And if I do, I won't tell you guys!

    My issue is I fully recognize that my lack of patience will require that I build this bike the best I can in the quickest manner. As an example, I have had early LX Parallax/Mavic 231(?) wheels hanging in my garage for years and will use these initially. Certainly not XT per catalog spec, but they should do for initial set up. I'm not even sure what the differences are between XT vs LX parallax hubs but it's probably not much (bearings?) My current focus is more on acquiring the M737 XT shifters, f/r derailleurs, Logic brakes and Logic Cranks for now. Not really looking for only WCS level either. I am sooo looking forward to having this one complete! You guys keep me motivated!

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    not much difference LX and XT hubs. I used 120mm bottom bracket with Logic cranks. the logic levers and brakes can be pricey

    Quote Originally Posted by Benster View Post
    YES, WANT! Wait, FNG Question, would I need to go 7 speed rather than 8 speed with M732?
    i believe they came stock with 7 speed but you can change the freehub to 8sp. XT thumbies are never a bad choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benster View Post
    So true, and based on how often I have not been riding lately (new baby girl and 95 degree socal heat) there really is no rush.
    Rest assured,whatever I ride this spring in California, it will be ready three days before I leave....

    Looking like mine will probably be a Ritchey also.....Just not sure which one......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer View Post
    Rest assured,whatever I ride this spring in California, it will be ready three days before I leave....

    Looking like mine will probably be a Ritchey also.....Just not sure which one......
    Sweeeet!

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