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    Ritchey content , what vintage ?

    I found this frame but cannot put a date on it.

    It has a bi plane fork, non slotted cablestops , campa dropouts, scalloped seatcluster , machined headtube , the parts are older then the decal set.

    My guess is an Everest 83 but the seller tells me there is no serial ...

    Is there someone who could point me in the right direction ?

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    Decals are too new. Looks more like a Steve Potts to me.

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    Is that yours? It's really pretty.

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    It's one of the chicken coop frames that's been finished
    looking for 20-21" P team

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    it's not mine yet , i'am waiting for the seller to make a final decision.
    I also want to sure it's an early Ritchey .

    A " chicken coop" frame as in repro , replica ?

    Sorry but English is not my native language.

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    Do a search for Cupertino Ritchey on vex

    There's a few pics on google of my unfinished one, and a few of other ones that have been finished with braze ons and paint
    looking for 20-21" P team

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    Ok thanks for the info,
    Not sure about buying it now , is there any difference ?

    EDIT: The forks are Padgett made and not Ritchey

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    It's one of the chicken coop frames that's been finished
    The reason I suggested Potts was that the fillets looked a little heavy for Tom's work. The clamp on stem looks more like a Potts, whereas Tom would have done a bullmoose. The cross brace on both the chainstays and seatstays appear to be flat, as on this early Potts. Maybe Tom did that too.

    1984 Steve Potts - a set on Flickr

    I don't know why there isn't a sleeve for the top of the seat collar since that was standard even on Tom's bikes from 1981.

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    Seems like I've seen this bike with this Potts stem somewhere on a forum in the last 4-5 years.

    Here's mine without the sleeve:

    <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/tinc500/DSC00601-1.jpg">

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    Fillet Brazed, you're right,

    I think it was one of the original 9 that Ritchey sent over to Gary Fisher and Charlie Kelly, in fact I think it was this one:

    An Original Ritchey | Retrobike

    I followed it on ebay with intentions to purchase, but the auction was cancelled and then re-listed with a buy it now price of $600 Monday night. It sold quickly. I was off-line and missed it. I wonder if it is one of the nine and if the buyer knows what he might have.
    Last edited by NDAAND; 11-06-2013 at 10:00 AM. Reason: add info

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    Wow!

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    nice needle in the haystack get some wheels on that gem

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    An Original Ritchey

    Here is a thread from 2009, started by CK - looks to be the same bike!
    They had to replace my metal plate with a plastic one

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    Some extremely fascinating history packed into this thread... Hit the links and learn yourself something.

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    How did such a significant bike lose its wheels in the time since CK posted it as complete and well-appreciated?
    Last edited by DoubleCentury; 11-06-2013 at 04:10 PM.

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    Hope I'm wrong, but most likely it was stolen.
    They had to replace my metal plate with a plastic one

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDAAND View Post
    Fillet Brazed, you're right,

    I think it was one of the original 9 that Ritchey sent over to Gary Fisher and Charlie Kelly, in fact I think it was this one:

    An Original Ritchey | Retrobike

    I followed it on ebay with intentions to purchase, but the auction was cancelled and then re-listed with a buy it now price of $600 Monday night. It sold quickly. I was off-line and missed it. I wonder if it is one of the nine and if the buyer knows what he might have.
    the bike in the photos was stolen. Looks like it might be the one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    the bike in the photos was stolen. Looks like it might be the one.
    Very little doubt that it's the same bike. It has the same Potts bar/stem, among other numerous similarities. I hope it gets back in the hands of the rightful owner.
    They had to replace my metal plate with a plastic one

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    That should be easy to trace the EBay buyer if it is. Ebay will help. Time to heat up the vise to punish the low life. I sincerely hope it is recovered and returned

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    Quote Originally Posted by rismtb View Post
    That should be easy to trace the EBay buyer if it is. Ebay will help. Time to heat up the vise to punish the low life. I sincerely hope it is recovered and returned
    Found the auction:

    Ritchey Bike Frame | eBay
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    Here's the link to my photobucket collection of photos of my friend's bike. Looks like a match.

    1979 Ritchey Photos by repackrider | Photobucket

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    If it indeed was stolen, somebody better quickly convince the seller not to ship it or it may be getting shipped outside of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    If it indeed was stolen, somebody better quickly convince the seller not to ship it or it may be getting shipped outside of the country.

    I found what I believe to be the seller's website with contact info/address & forwarded it to CK via PM. (Ebay ID on auction matched the Ebay ID on the website)
    They had to replace my metal plate with a plastic one

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousineddie View Post
    I found what I believe to be the seller's website with contact info/address & forwarded it to CK via PM. (Ebay ID on auction matched the Ebay ID on the website)
    Yay, team! Go, CK, go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    If it indeed was stolen, somebody better quickly convince the seller not to ship it or it may be getting shipped outside of the country.
    The seller's store is about 10 min from where I work. I would certainly be willing to go up there this afternoon to see if the bike is still there. Seller likely had no idea what she was selling so maybe she could be convinced to do the right thing.

    But I would first need confirmation that the bike was indeed stolen, and permission from CK or the rightful owner to retrieve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightshade_rider View Post
    The seller's store is about 10 min from where I work. I would certainly be willing to go up there this afternoon to see if the bike is still there. Seller likely had no idea what she was selling so maybe she could be convinced to do the right thing.

    But I would first need confirmation that the bike was indeed stolen, and permission from CK or the rightful owner to retrieve it.
    No doubt whatever in my mind. Both the real owner and I know details about the bike that no one else would know, and he has supplied these details to the police. Also, the Potts stem and original Suntour thumbies are a unique combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    No doubt whatever in my mind. Both the real owner and I know details about the bike that no one else would know, and he has supplied these details to the police. Also, the Potts stem and original Suntour thumbies are a unique combination.
    I don't think Nightshade rider is asking for proof that it's stolen. He's just wanting the word from a person that knows that it is indeed stolen and offering to run over to the store to stop the seller from unknowingly (I hope) shipping a bike away and the theft victim needs to go up there and get it back himself or herself. Otherwise, it's very awkward for him to make a scene and then have nobody physically come and claim the bike.

    Right now, it's local and the owner from whom it was stolen from can get it back. Once it's shipped, well.... good luck getting it back.

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    Owner is on his way to Cotati, armed with info developed here about where to look. I'll keep you posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    Owner is on his way to Cotati, armed with info developed here about where to look. I'll keep you posted.
    Excellent! Thanks, CK!

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    Bike is recovered. Here is the story. I got a PM from a member informing me that the seller on Ebay was a certain commercial establishment in Cotati. I passed the info on to Original Owner who saddled up and rode. I get a phone call from him at that business, and he hands his phone to the female proprietor, who has no knowledge of any Ebay sales, doesn't have an account.

    Wow. I felt terrible for sending my friend on a fool's errand and insulting the woman. So I do my own Googling, starting with username and location, and danged if it doesn't lead me right back to the same establishment! The website for the commercial establishment even proudly announces the seller's username on Ebay!

    I try to call my friend, to tell him he's on the right track, but no answer, until...

    (Ringtone) "Charlie, I got my bike!" Missing saddle and wheels, and the Otis Guy bike that hung next to it in O.O.'s garage didn't turn up.

    Ebay seller had bought the bike from a person who liquidates unpaid storage containers, in this case one from San Rafael. The bike had actually been in Cotati for over a year. It was first offered on Ebay for $400, but the Belgian buyer backed out when he found there was no serial #, so "...it couldn't be a REAL Ritchey." Sat around for months more, and offered up again on Ebay. Offers exceeded asking price, bike was boxed and waiting for FedEx to take it to Texas, when my friend arrived and beat them to the goods. Could not have been much closer of a call. Thanks to everyone here who advised me of the sale and remembered I had posted about my friend's loss.

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    Serious win. Very cool.
    looking for 20-21" P team

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    This forum makes me feel real good sometimes. It also makes me wonder how many other pieces of valuable history is bought up in "stortage wars" and never recovered.

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    Wow, I went from serious jealousy to feeling sorry for the op in no time. Great work all!

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    We should thank the OP for posting the bike in the first place.

    Charlie, how did the store owner go from denying the ebay account to coughing up the bike? Was it the same lady?

    Glad the original owner got it back. What a thrill! Please have him post a picture of it once again with a big old grin! Thanks for helping out everybody!

    I think we're 3/3 on the last three stolen bikes that people have noticed here: this, Shawn's Phoenix and the Potts laying by the side of the road. Great little community that works its magic to get stolen bikes back to the owners.

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    Good news and glad for your friend.

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    The double win would be if the buyer gets a refund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    Bike is recovered. Here is the story. I got a PM from a member informing me that the seller on Ebay was a certain commercial establishment in Cotati. I passed the info on to Original Owner who saddled up and rode. I get a phone call from him at that business, and he hands his phone to the female proprietor, who has no knowledge of any Ebay sales, doesn't have an account.

    Wow. I felt terrible for sending my friend on a fool's errand and insulting the woman. So I do my own Googling, starting with username and location, and danged if it doesn't lead me right back to the same establishment! The website for the commercial establishment even proudly announces the seller's username on Ebay!

    I try to call my friend, to tell him he's on the right track, but no answer, until...

    (Ringtone) "Charlie, I got my bike!" Missing saddle and wheels, and the Otis Guy bike that hung next to it in O.O.'s garage didn't turn up.

    Ebay seller had bought the bike from a person who liquidates unpaid storage containers, in this case one from San Rafael. The bike had actually been in Cotati for over a year. It was first offered on Ebay for $400, but the Belgian buyer backed out when he found there was no serial #, so "...it couldn't be a REAL Ritchey." Sat around for months more, and offered up again on Ebay. Offers exceeded asking price, bike was boxed and waiting for FedEx to take it to Texas, when my friend arrived and beat them to the goods. Could not have been much closer of a call. Thanks to everyone here who advised me of the sale and remembered I had posted about my friend's loss.
    This is one of the best things I've read on the VRC this year. So awesome. Good on you CK!
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    Where is the stolen part coming in? The owner hadn't paid their storage fee and the stuff got sold....? Or was it stolen and then put into a storage facility and the thief didn't pay their bills?
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    This the best news I've heard all day.

    Glad everything worked out, CK. Anyone who has ever had a bike stolen knows it feels like a punch in the gut. Thankfully this was one of those rare cases where there was a happy ending.
    They had to replace my metal plate with a plastic one

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    Nice work, guys!!

    How does one of the first 9 end up with a Padgett fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed View Post
    Nice work, guys!!

    How does one of the first 9 end up with a Padgett fork?
    It didn't. There was a bit of variation in forks at first. This bike was built before the design had been settled.

    Haven't talked to my friend to get the rest of the story yet.

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    Right on CK.
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    Great news!!! Glad that it was recovered and returned to the original owner!!!
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    Hi Thank you for your interest in the bike frame. Sorry it took so long to respond but I wanted for this to play out first. This is a letter that I sent to the buyer of the bike frame:
    Hello I am sorry to tell you that Detective Cody Elbert from the Central Marin Police Authority in California called about the Ritchey bicycle frame. He informed me that it might be a frame that was stolen from a garage in Larkspur, CA. We made arrangements for him and the owner of the stolen frame to come and take a look at it. They came yesterday and he did identify the frame as his. He had pictures of it and it had identifying marks in the pictures that matched the frame. The detective took the frame. I got the frame from a storage locker that went up for auction in San Rafael because the renter failed to keep the rent payments current. I am sorry this did not work out. I have returned your $600 payment and your payment for the shipping cost.
    Thank you, Chuck

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    Right on paningforgold and Chuck

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    Wow!
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    That's the short version. The detective would not have been on the case without this forum directing my attention to the bike for sale, and without the owner responding to my call to him based on a MTBR PM and going there himself. Remember, at first no one knew nuthin' 'bout nuthin'.

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    Wow , did not see the full story until now , glad i could sort of help to bring this bike back to the original owner , next time i'll try to find a non-stolen bike ;-)

    This would have been my ultimate bike of course, the quest continues ....

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    What a great recovery story!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cousineddie View Post
    This the best news I've heard all day.

    Glad everything worked out, CK. Anyone who has ever had a bike stolen knows it feels like a punch in the gut. Thankfully this was one of those rare cases where there was a happy ending.
    Been there, done that, still bitter...

    This is a great thread!

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