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    Repop Ritchey Z Max Classic 2.35 skin wall tires

    Not really a "for sale" post but gauging the interest level. We have discussed making a Ritchey Z Max Classic tire in a 2.35" width with a natural color skin side wall. These would be the same tread pattern that Ritchey currently sells. Prices would likely be $39.99 with a wire bead or $49.99 with the Kevlar bead. This looks to be about $8 more per tire than Ritchey sells the black wall version for on there web site.

    If we have these made, should it be the wire or Kevlar version? How many would you be interested in purchasing (for real)?

    The minimums are kinda scary on these so I don't want to make a buying error.

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    2.35 in a skinwall? Sounds perfect for heavy old farts like me riding old rigid bikes looking for a smoother ride while keeping a classic look. I pinch flat pretty often on my Ritchey running 2.1's and I would like a little extra volume so I don't have to run such high pressure to keep from flatting. I would be down for 2 pairs of wire bead at that price. Not sure if I would opt for the kevlar.
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    I'd love to have a vintage looking fatty available. I just bought a pair of current 2.35s, and as much as it kills me to put them on my old bikes, my back needs the extra cushion. Put me down for at least one set, kevlar preferred, but I'd take wire if there was no choice.

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    Ooh, I totally called it

    I'd probably end up buying a pair. Kevlar would be my preference but $100 a set is beyond what I'd usually spend on tires. Hmm...
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    2.1 WCS Kevlar would be better
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooderdude
    2.1 WCS Kevlar would be better

    +1 I'm with Scooter on this one,,,,what's vintage about a 2.35" tire. Or is the 2.35 mold the only thing available? If it is, I guess I'm glad it's not my money venturing into 2.35 inventory.
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    +2 on the 2.1 Kevlar, but I'd buy a set of 2.35 kevlars if that's what you end up with.

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    2.35 WCS in the skinwall but red compound.

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    Hi there, I would like to have 4 in the kevlar version. If you would ship these great tires outside the US.
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    sounds great! but make it in soft red! please!
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    2.35 skin wall black.

    Wire bead is my vote, it's not a racing tire anymore (although I USED to race them way back when).

    Wire or Kevlar, I'd buy some!

    I'd take a 2.35 over the Timbuk II's any day.

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    Jeff, I like the idea of a large volume skin-walled tire. This would not be my first choice for a tire, but it's a lot better than no choice.

    For me, the kevlar bead is the way to go. While the $10 per tire difference is not insignificant, the majority of your sales (I'd imagine) would require shipping. Since a foldable tire fits into a smaller box than a wire bead tire, the shipping difference would quickly offset much of the extra cost. I'd rather have a nice tire shipped cheap, than an average tire shipped expensively.

    As others have said, $100 for a pair of tires is pretty high. And it's really high when one considers that the selling point is the color of the side-wall. For that kind of money, I'd rather order a pair of tires that I really wanted, and not one a pair that made my bike look nicer. At the price, I don't think they'll sell like hot cakes.

    I'd probably buy one set, and if after riding them I thought that they were a really nice tire, I'd possibly buy more. But if they're only an "okay tire" I'd have trouble parting with $100 in order to get the fancy side-wall.
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    Hi,

    4 pice $49.99 with the Kevlar skinwall black 2,35

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    Hi, do you have a website or a list of what ya got avalible?
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    As i remember the original 2,35" Z-MAX had a bigger volume than one you can buy today. If there is any difference do you want to use old or current moulds? And would the sidewall graphics look like the old ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harzkristall
    sounds great! but make it in soft red! please!
    ditto!

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat
    Hi, do you have a website or a list of what ya got avalible?

    They do.

    http://mombat.org/MOMBAT/PartsForSalePages/tires.html
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    2.35 was avails back then...so its not out of line to reissue them. I think airing down a larger volume tire so soften the blow on these old rigid bikes would be nice. The only issue might possibly be clearance.

    I have two sets of Timbuk II's from FFB and they're awesome.

    I think red would be neat too, but possibly a more difficult sell to the masses.
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    I would take a pair at least. I'd be more excited about the 2.1's in black but would take 2.35 if that's all you had.

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    I'd get a set of skin's, steel beaded. 2.35 is certainly retro. I was running big tires like that BITD.

    Selling something WCS and Red would only suit a very few riders, and being as these are already on the spendy side, imagine what a set of WCS would cost. Sure ain't $49.99.
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    Laffeux's point on the packablilty of kevlar is a good one.

    Ritchey doesn't care about this?

    I remember being so pumped when the black wall Smokes came out... funny.

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    Ritchey Megabite Zmax

    I would be more interested in the old mold and graphics of the RITCHEY MEGABITE ZMAX, than the new RITCHEY CLASSIC.

    Jeff, is this even an option?

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    I'm interested if they have the Ground Control tread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Gusto
    I'm interested if they have the Ground Control tread.
    That would be a Specialized tire, not a Ritchey; different companies.
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    The idea was to offer a little fatter tire which would both complement the smaller Timbuk II that we sell and give a tire with more cushioning for the old bikes. It isn't a 1980's tire but still relatively "vintage" and Ritchey is probably a more popular tire. A 2.35" tire is also sellable as a current tire. We do sell Timbuk IIs to folks who want something a little bit different on there current bikes. It will also fit almost all vintage bikes. I know we have one American bike that has 2.35 tires on it and there is a little bit of rub on the chain stays. If that is an issue, go with the Panaracers.

    Red would be cool but I can't see it being a worthwhile project at 500 pieces.

    The Kevlar beaded versions are really pushing the price envelope already and a WCS version would be noticeably more expensive. Again, don't think it would be a wise investment.

    Kevlar tires are both easier and cheaper for us to ship. They will fit in a much smaller box. It seems like the Kevlar version is more desirable as well. With that in mind, we'll probably do a Kevlar beaded version.

    I have inquired about the price of the 2.1 tires. On the Ritchey web site, there is a $9 price decrease to go to a 2.1 tire. If the 2.1 is that much less expensive to us, I might go 2.1.

    Hopefully, we'll have answers soon. Thanks for your input.

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    Ritchey 2.1

    Hi Jeff, their 2.1 version is the ZMAX Evolution, shorter knobs and spaced wider. The 2.3 ZMAX Classic is their true ZMAX design. Have you tried their 2.3 Blackwall to get an idea of it's true size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnw
    Hi Jeff, their 2.1 version is the ZMAX Evolution, shorter knobs and spaced wider. The 2.3 ZMAX Classic is their true ZMAX design. Have you tried their 2.3 Blackwall to get an idea of it's true size?
    Yep, we've got a pair of the current ones mounted up on some rims here at the shop so we could check them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Flight
    The idea was to offer a little fatter tire which would both complement the smaller Timbuk II that we sell and give a tire with more cushioning for the old bikes. It isn't a 1980's tire but still relatively "vintage" and Ritchey is probably a more popular tire.
    Funny how none of those "old bikes" never needed extra fluff cushioning when they were originally spec'd Makes me wonder if they really need it now? Obviously not if people are sticking close to original specs. A 2.1 would be vintage and is the more popular of the two sizes. They seem to be bringing top dollar from a particular eBay seller. I would think you would be all over that action Jeff.
    I know you guys do a ton of work to maintain and spread the goodness of vintage bikes but I also wonder how one retailer/e-tailer/shop gets so much free reign and advertising on multiple websites to improve their bottom line without paying for it or having their bottom line reduced by listing fees? Guess you guys are loving the free in "free enterprise"?
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    lol. totally. Jeff is such a fat cat and does nothing but profit off the VRC scene.

    I was at Charlie Cunningham's place when he was drawing the GC Extreme 2.5 tires. I flipped at how cool they were and was psyched when they came out. Raced those tires at the Canadian Nationals in Canmore and I can tell you, I liked the cush!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gm1230126
    Funny how none of those "old bikes" never needed extra fluff cushioning when they were originally spec'd Makes me wonder if they really need it now? Obviously not if people are sticking close to original specs. A 2.1 would be vintage and is the more popular of the two sizes. They seem to be bringing top dollar from a particular eBay seller. I would think you would be all over that action Jeff.
    I know you guys do a ton of work to maintain and spread the goodness of vintage bikes but I also wonder how one retailer/e-tailer/shop gets so much free reign and advertising on multiple websites to improve their bottom line without paying for it or having their bottom line reduced by listing fees? Guess you guys are loving the free in "free enterprise"?

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    I could dig some 2.5s. But between the two former options for ZMax, I'd prefer a 2.3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    lol. totally. Jeff is such a fat cat and does nothing but profit off the VRC scene.

    I was at Charlie Cunningham's place when he was drawing the GC Extreme 2.5 tires. I flipped at how cool they were and was psyched when they came out. Raced those tires at the Canadian Nationals in Canmore and I can tell you, I liked the cush!

    I think for their size the casing was too flimsy. If you aired them down enough to take advantage of the extra cush they could offer I thought they were way too flexy in the corners. I tried one on the rear for a DH race or two BITD (musta been 91) and ran it at normal 2.1ish pressures and with the extra height it offered a little more pinch flat protection. Made my bike look kinda like a Stingray. Didn't care for them much as a front tire.

    The 2.5 tires now are pretty stout.

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    Wonder if there is a retailer conspiracy thread in the make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chefmiguel
    Wonder if there is a retailer conspiracy thread in the make?

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    Words like that could only come from the from the self titled Mafia Don himself Mr. VRC Iluminati
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefmiguel
    Wonder if there is a retailer conspiracy thread in the make?
    If there is, we'd need to start it in another forum first probably. The weight weenie forum has Nino, this one has first flight, is Ibex's owner unbanned yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gm1230126
    I know you guys do a ton of work to maintain and spread the goodness of vintage bikes but I also wonder how one retailer/e-tailer/shop gets so much free reign and advertising on multiple websites to improve their bottom line without paying for it or having their bottom line reduced by listing fees? Guess you guys are loving the free in "free enterprise"?
    Funny, Jeff has contributed an amazing amount of his own time to developing the MOMBAT Museum/website for everyone to enjoy, including scanning in literature, writing history pages and assembling spec sheets for numerous brands, all of which is available free for the taking. He has also spent a lot of time raising awareness about VRC in numerous bicycling magazines.

    GM, no one is forcing you to buy from First Flight and help Jeff's "bottom line." (and we all know how wealthy LBS owners are )
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    Quote Originally Posted by cousineddie
    GM, no one is forcing you to buy from First Flight and help Jeff's "bottom line." (and we all know how wealthy LBS owners are )
    Thanks Cousin Eddie. The best way to become a millionaire in the bike industry is to start with two million

    Your avatar cracks me up. We sit down and watch that movie with the kids every year around Christmas. We had finally bought the VCR tape years ago and forgot about a few of the scenes that were obviously been cut for TV....oooops. Wore the VCR tape out and had to get the DVD last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Flight
    Thanks Cousin Eddie. The best way to become a millionaire in the bike industry is to start with two million

    Your avatar cracks me up. We sit down and watch that movie with the kids every year around Christmas. We had finally bought the VCR tape years ago and forgot about a few of the scenes that were obviously been cut for TV....oooops. Wore the VCR tape out and had to get the DVD last year.

    Very true, Jeff. I see what the owner of my LBS is going through. It takes him until sometime in April or May just to make enough to cover the overhead on the store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousineddie
    Funny, Jeff has contributed an amazing amount of his own time to developing the MOMBAT Museum/website for everyone to enjoy, including scanning in literature, writing history pages and assembling spec sheets for numerous brands, all of which is available free for the taking. He has also spent a lot of time raising awareness about VRC in numerous bicycling magazines.

    GM, no one is forcing you to buy from First Flight and help Jeff's "bottom line." (and we all know how wealthy LBS owners are )

    I wouldn't say that I am a collector (I have a couple old relics from my days wrenching on the circuit), but I'm curious as to how raising awareness about VRC in cycling mags going to help people shaking out all their local bushes for old bikes? I would reckon that when Joe Schmoe Ibis/Potts/Grove owner sees the VRC stuff in Dirt Rag he suddenly thinks his bike is a valuable collectors item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarzocchiMan
    I would reckon that when Joe Schmoe Ibis/Potts/Grove owner sees the VRC stuff in Dirt Rag he suddenly thinks his bike is a valuable collectors item.
    That's a bad thing. Especialy if its my size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarzocchiMan
    I wouldn't say that I am a collector (I have a couple old relics from my days wrenching on the circuit), but I'm curious as to how raising awareness about VRC in cycling mags going to help people shaking out all their local bushes for old bikes? I would reckon that when Joe Schmoe Ibis/Potts/Grove owner sees the VRC stuff in Dirt Rag he suddenly thinks his bike is a valuable collectors item.

    It's a double-edged sword. Raising awareness could drive prices of VRC bikes up. (is that really so bad if you already have a collection? ) However, if manufacturers sense there is a sizeable interest in VRC bikes, it could lead to reproductions of hard-to-find parts/tires that many collectors need to finish projects.

    In the 1990's, Schwinn brought out a whole line of reproduction bikes and parts to satisfy the collector market. It could happen with the bikes we collect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarzocchiMan
    I would reckon that when Joe Schmoe Ibis/Potts/Grove owner sees the VRC stuff in Dirt Rag he suddenly thinks his bike is a valuable collectors item.
    It's better to think that it's a collector's item than to think that it's rubbish that ends up in either the town dump or the recycling center.
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    Plus, the added benefit of more inventory in the marketplace.

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    I'd be in for a pair of the Kevlar versiion.

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    There was a big USA Today story back in the mid-1990's that featured some classic balloon tired bikes. I think the author interviewed some collectors that either wanted to seem "rich" or were just delusional on the values of the old bikes. That one did sting since it was widely circulated and optimistic on the prices. Bikes were drug out of bars due to that article but everyone thought the had found "the lost Cobra in the barn". Didn't really help collectors.

    The stuff I write for Dirt Rag doesn't have any pricing and any time an author asks for price ranges, I always make sure to quote fairly reasonable prices.

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    I don't think any of us are really in it for the money...so if prices stay low, I'm ok with that.
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    I always ride vintage because of the chick magnet factor. Now that I am married, I guess I can leave you guys and go hang out on the downhill forum....
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