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    "Performance" Hybrids/Early 700c MTB's

    I have searched the old posts on the subject, and I am liking what I saw there. I am interested in seeing any other photos of any performance hybrid/700c Mt. Bikes from back in the day. Whether you currently own them, or have old pics, no matter.

    Specialized Crossroads
    Diamondback Overdrive/ Overdrive Comp
    Bianchi Project 3/5/7
    GT 700d
    etc.

    I recently picked up a Schwinn crisscross (more hybrid than performance ), but it has the wheels in my mind (and my shop) turning

    I will post pics of mine as I got it (for $30) when I get home.

    thanks

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    Heres my Bianchi Project 5 that I've had for a few years. I love the bike Works great in the dirt, handles like any other MTB. I took it to Maui recently for a loaded bike tour. The dirt drop bars proved to be perfect for the slow climbs with lots of hand positions

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    "performance" being the operative word

    Here's my resto-mod '90 or '91 trek 750. $0.99 + $50 s/h on fleabay from somewhere in the SE...
    I had to go to town w/ wire wheel & dremel to get all the rust out from under the powdercoat. Then rattle canned w/ brown primer & flat black.




    Hrmm, looking at her, the only OE components left are the headset (I added a 'period correct' specialized locknut) & front derailler. Most other parts were from the parts bin, ebay specials or friend castoff deals (vista wheelset & 10spd sti).

    Here's commute mode w/ the vista's & 700x37. I need to get w/ my knobbier 45's.
    I'm about to put on some fenders & a rack to add some utility. I'll also switch out the sti for some barend shifters whenever I get around to building up more of a road bike.



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    The Mountain Goat Route 66 was very cool back in the day. Many of them were a cool red/white/blue paint scheme and a couple of the magazine bikes sported Campy parts and I think another one had some Grafton bits on it as well.

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    In the questionable "performance" category, here's my 1991 Cannondale SH400. It's my rain bike, and my get-around-town commuter when I have errands to run or a decent distance to ride. Or if I want to get their fast. Love the big wheels. I swapped out a few parts, like the seat, cranks & pedals, and the bar/stem/shifter combo, but left the rest of the Suntour bits. It's fun bunny-hopping curbs on this.

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    And the project that I should finally start soon- just waiting on a few more things, is a 700D GT that you mentioned. I've got a 1991 GT Tachyon frame & fork, and figured out that 650B wheels would fit perfectly. The original thread I posted it in is below, and I'll definitely post photos when it's completed.

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    A friend that worked for WSI had this and I talked him out of it in '95 after meeting Wes and listening to him go on and on about 700c wheels for use offroad. Didn't ride it much with the original smokes on it but when the "tire" appeared in 99' I got it out of the overhead and lo and behold they fit, well not mud fit, but fit. Slapped on the Manitou 700c and rode that bike quite a bit while awaiting my Willits to be built. It is still in use today. I have sold it for $100 three times now and bought it back for $100 twice. The current owner likes it alot and I doubt I will be buying it back again. But the offer stands.

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    Crisscross pics

    Thanks for all the posts so far, keep 'em coming!

    Here is the pic of mine when I bought it. It is a 22" which fits, but is a little lacking in standover, I would love to find one of the bikes I mentioned above that is an 18" or 20", but this will do to experiment with. This will take over as my commuter, and may see some trail duty depending on what tires I find for it.

    I am planning on leaving it somewhat stock, except it will be a 1X7, have a different stem (ebay no name with cable stop and roller), bar (probably a Salsa moto ace 17 deg X660mm) and rear shifter (xt thumbie from the parts bin), Nashbar seatpost with shim, and some C-dale saddle I bought a while ago.

    I need to see how big a tire I can stuff in there. I am hoping at least a 35-38 CX tire, and maybe even a 45 if I luck out.

    Anyone know if the xt shifter will work ok with the suntour rear der.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Flight
    The Mountain Goat Route 66 was very cool back in the day. Many of them were a cool red/white/blue paint scheme and a couple of the magazine bikes sported Campy parts and I think another one had some Grafton bits on it as well.
    The shop I used to work at would get two Route 66's in once a year for their annual tuneup. They were owned by an older couple. These bikes were never really ridden, so the tune up basically consisted of dusting them off and airing the tires. Very beautiful bikes, and in very good condition. If I remember correctly, they also had a pair of matching Seven's with S&S couplers that we would see on a more regular basis than the Goats.

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    I've posted this bike before, but not since I cleaned it up and swapped tires. It's a 1993 Overdrive Comp. It's essentially stock (mostly XC Pro + Dia Comp 986 brakes) except for Tioga Revolvers and 3ttt flat bar. I got a cheap NOS Brahma to put on, so it'll go back to stock in that regard.

    Tires went from the original Smokes to IRC Mythos CX 42mm. This is the Greenway/Path/Neighborhood bike and I'm very happy with it.

    One project almost done leaning against one project that's just starting...
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    GT Quatrefoil 700D tandem. Just put the 2.0 Knobby's back on this past weekend. Time to go mudding.
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    1970?

    What year is the Z?

    Quote Originally Posted by cegrover
    I've posted this bike before, but not since I cleaned it up and swapped tires. It's a 1993 Overdrive Comp. It's essentially stock (mostly XC Pro + Dia Comp 986 brakes) except for Tioga Revolvers and 3ttt flat bar. I got a cheap NOS Brahma to put on, so it'll go back to stock in that regard.

    Tires went from the original Smokes to IRC Mythos CX 42mm. This is the Greenway/Path/Neighborhood bike and I'm very happy with it.

    One project almost done leaning against one project that's just starting...

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    1989 Bridgestone MB-3

    For me, this little bike is a lot of fun. I love steel bikes...
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    The Specialized Crossroads I built for my gf, using Bontrager Jones XR 29 x 1.8 tires.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm 1995 Klein Adept XT

    Here's my 1995 Klein Adept hybrid with full Deore XT M737 parts spec.
    As you might know the Adept is an Adroit on 700c wheels: it has the same multiple butted tubing and 2" downtube but lacks Adroit's boron/carbon reinforcements.
    This one has a special-order "Coral Reef" paintjob.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff
    What year is the Z?
    The Z is a '75 (first year of the 280 and first for fuel injection). Despite the door panels and dash visible in the shot, the interior's been gutted out to hunt for rust and it'll hit the body shop soon for rust repair, 240Z bumper install and paint. I have a 3.1L stroker waiting to go in it after that - I'm hoping it's fairly ridiculous when done!

    Bike topic: Are all the bikes in this thread 29ers?!?!?!?!

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    There was also a S-Works "Crossroads" hybrid on Spesh 1992 catalog. Never seen one but in that catalog pic. Might be quite rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cegrover

    Bike topic: Are all the bikes in this thread 29ers?!?!?!?!
    Oh my, if they are what kind of slicks can I find to fit?
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    Raleigh?

    I recently found a Raleigh Altimetric Tactic CX. It has 700c wheels, Suntour components, 38c knobbies and a flat bar. It's a steel frame, made in the USA. The only issue I see is that the derailer hanger is stripped and part of the front cantilever brake is missing.

    Does anyone know anything about this bike? All I could find on the internet machine was a mention in the Museum of Mountain Bike Arts and Technology Raleigh timeline webpage that this line was introduced in 1991. It's described as "off-road oriented" and at a lower price. http://www.mombat.org/Raleigh.htm

    The frame size fits me well, so I plan to make the needed repairs and use it on some local trails.

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    Hi,

    My 1st all terrain bike ......was a hybrid



    Very luxurious 'of the shelf' hybrid bike. Carbon tubing in maintriangle, alu lugs, Hardtlite (steel) fork and tail. XT groupset, Syncros post and cockpit, Titanio seat, Conti cross tires... Actually it was way closer to a cyclecross bike than to nowadays 29" bike.

    Btw it is called Koga Miyata TerraLiner Carbolite. It is the of the 92MY. The 93MY TLC looked like this and came with a then new groupset specifically develloped for hybrids. I believe it was called Shimano CX700.

    Another way cool hybrid were the ones by Kuwahara, using carbon tubing with a titanium core. Very refined finishing. Also no savings on groupset: XTR!

    A Klein Adept is of course a very sweet ride too. I actually think it my favourite Klein hands down.
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    vintage Trek 7600 rider

    I have been riding a mostly stock Trek 7600 with Shimano CX400 drivetrain since about 1993. This was back when the 7600 was a made-in-USA aluminum beauty with brushed welds. I have 3 sets of wheels for it. It's raced cyclocross with 1.5" knobbies, it's ridden distance road tours with narrow slicks. I've even taken it out for some light singletrack with beginner riders (no, i don't recommend it for any technical riding!!!) Currently it's my commuter bike with full fenders, rear rack, and Cane Creek Ergo ends. (I strongly prefer the flat bar/gripshift shifter combination, and the Ergo ends are heaven to behold).

    The only complaint i have is that there isn't quite enough tire clearance for the new "29er" fat tires. And why did Shimano discontinue the CX400 / CX700 groups? These were superb drivetrains!

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    If anyone needs 700d tires, I came across one or two at a local used bike store a while back that could be had for cheap. I'd be willing to pick them up if anyone wants them.
    Need: McMahon brake for roller cam mounts, Mountain Goat fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 cog frog
    I have searched the old posts on the subject, and I am liking what I saw there. I am interested in seeing any other photos of any performance hybrid/700c Mt. Bikes from back in the day. Whether you currently own them, or have old pics, no matter.
    Here's a Giant Innova I rehabbed a while back. It struck me as a very capable bike, sort of a worthy predecessor to the 29er era. Would have also made a great loaded tourer. I considered putting drop bars on it but decided to keep it original...







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    Here's a pic of a Bianchi Project 7 I came across.

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CodYUyipzlbOAk4EU606hw"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/martini.ss/RsKAcKy3FsI/AAAAAAAABGA/tFax_M80aao/s800/bianchi2.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/martini.ss/29ErLust">29&quot;er lust</a></td></tr></table>

    Really is unfortunate that that....'saddle' and stem have been put on the bike. These, as opposed to a few of the hybrids placed on this thread, really were big wheeled mountain bikes. And I'm still looking for one of these!
    Just a regular guy.

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    Trying to track down info on a frame I saw in passing...Does anyone know anything about a Gary Fisher model, probably from mid/late 1990s, looks like a MTB (sloping, long TT) but fit 700Cx45ish wheels/tires, steel frame in gray and green colors? Long shot I know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel
    Here's my 1995 Klein Adept hybrid with full Deore XT M737 parts spec.
    As you might know the Adept is an Adroit on 700c wheels: it has the same multiple butted tubing and 2" downtube but lacks Adroit's boron/carbon reinforcements.
    This one has a special-order "Coral Reef" paintjob.

    Wow, that must be Klein's way of cutting to the chase, huh? Why bother with knobbies when you can make a bike that only takes road tires, ha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    Trying to track down info on a frame I saw in passing...Does anyone know anything about a Gary Fisher model, probably from mid/late 1990s, looks like a MTB (sloping, long TT) but fit 700Cx45ish wheels/tires, steel frame in gray and green colors? Long shot I know...
    Funny, as I was just going to ask the exact same question! I believe you're referring to the Fisher Sphynx. My roommate in college (early '90's) used to work at a Fisher dealer, and apparently the owner was fairly tight with Gary Fisher, so they used to get weird one-offs, prototypes, and demo bikes in fairly regularly. The one my roommate had, and eventually bought, was green with yellow lettering, had a full XT group with drops and bar-cons, and rode like a dream. I'm pretty sure it was a prototype, and that the later production models were gray and green, like you mentioned.

    I'm actually looking to build a bike in this spirit, as I've got some period and not so period correct parts that would work well. Sure, I could just get a Soma or Surly cross frame, but I'd like to find an older frame to work with.

    On a side note, I completely forgot about the Mountain Goat Route 66. Maybe I should go knock on Jeff Lindsay's door and see if he has any lying around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerboy
    Wow, that much be Klein's way of cutting to the chase, huh? Why bother with knobbies when you can make a bike that only takes road tires, ha!
    It'll take 38's. W/ fenders.
    Zip ties? Not on my bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff
    It'll take 38's. W/ fenders.
    The Adepts came originally with Ritchey Megabite knobby tires. Klein claimed the Adept will fit 700c 41mm tires.
    And there was an option to order the bike with a custom Control Tech stem and road bars effectively making it a cyclocross bike.

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    700c Ritchey p-23

    I rode this bike today, up Tunitas Cr rd, Star Hill rd, Native Son rd, dropped down through Kings Grove back to Tunitas Cr.
    3 hr loop, with the tafoni stone gleaming in the daylight.
    The P-23 was originally TR's bike, and originally had 26' wheels.
    I traded him some in kind value items for the bike, had him rebraze the Canti boss's to fit a 700c wheel.
    This supple climber+descender is couch like on the drop, snappy like a goat on the climbs.
    Flats are extremely rare, and mainly have come from contractor crap on the pave'
    The last pic of the Tafoni is dubbed "Jaws" by me...
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    Saw a Project 5 up at a friend's shop tonight. Exage parts, but nice looking frameset. Unfortunately said it was owned by a tool, oh well.

    It was too small for you Marty anyway.
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    I like your bike, I'm a beam rider too, and have wondered what a 700c/29" beam bike would be like since I'm a 29er fan as well. Check out pics from this years' Keyesville Classic, (search Keyesville afterglow), I raced mine downhill too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 cog frog
    I have searched the old posts on the subject, and I am liking what I saw there. I am interested in seeing any other photos of any performance hybrid/700c Mt. Bikes from back in the day. Whether you currently own them, or have old pics, no matter.

    Specialized Crossroads
    Diamondback Overdrive/ Overdrive Comp
    Bianchi Project 3/5/7
    GT 700d
    etc.

    I recently picked up a Schwinn crisscross (more hybrid than performance ), but it has the wheels in my mind (and my shop) turning

    I will post pics of mine as I got it (for $30) when I get home.

    thanks

    frog
    I'm liking everything posted so far. My question: many moons ago Waterford cataloged a bike called RSE, road sport extended. Would that be considered a hybrid? I believe it was frame only.

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    Update

    I had totally forgotten about this thread until it was resurrected. I actually found a Diamondback Overdrive frame fork and headset on ebay after the initial post. I tried to make the Schwin Crisscross posted above work, but it barely takes a 35c tire, and is a bit too big for me.

    The Overdrive is all built up with new and old parts. Not too concerned about period correct on this one. But I did get some decent tires to fit (with only a pinch of clearance)front and rear.

    Toe overlap is one problem with the bigger front tire, but other than that, the bike is a blast to ride. Once the snow melts for good(if it ever does) I will take it out for the maiden trail voyage

    Spec is as follows:
    DB Overdrive Frame and fork (original)
    Tioga headset (original)
    Zoom Stem (period correct, not original)
    Salsa 17 deg handlebar, 36T chainring, and Flip Off skewers
    Grab On grips
    XT thumbshifter and rear deraileur (1X7)
    Ringle Moby Deuce seatpost
    Specialized saddle
    Bontrager Superstock wheel set
    Avid SD 5 v-brakes and levers
    WTB Exiwolf front tire
    Continental Vapor rear tire
    Specialized Strong Arm cranks
    UN72 bottom bracket

    I know this post is useless w/o pics , I will snap a couple and post them tonight!

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    As an aside, a few modern hybrids can be converted to 29ers. Fuji had their Monterey model last year which comes stock with 700x45C tires and has lots of excess clearance to run another 10mm of width tires. Kona has their Smoke 2-9 "city" bike which is a bargain for a full rigid geared 29er at $450. Unfortunetly neither the Kona nor Fuji have disc mounts. Louis Garneau has several this year, stock is 40C but there's room for about 55mm width of tires. The lower price ones have V-brakes mounts only, the higher models get disc-mounts only. They range from $400-700.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djmuff
    In the questionable "performance" category, here's my 1991 Cannondale SH400. It's my rain bike, and my get-around-town commuter when I have errands to run or a decent distance to ride. Or if I want to get their fast. Love the big wheels. I swapped out a few parts, like the seat, cranks & pedals, and the bar/stem/shifter combo, but left the rest of the Suntour bits. It's fun bunny-hopping curbs on this.

    IMG_0944.jpg


    And the project that I should finally start soon- just waiting on a few more things, is a 700D GT that you mentioned. I've got a 1991 GT Tachyon frame & fork, and figured out that 650B wheels would fit perfectly. The original thread I posted it in is below, and I'll definitely post photos when it's completed.

    3 New Toys- GT Pantera, Trek 990, & a GT Tachyon
    I've never been fond of Cannondales. Your bike looks great though. Maybe it's the "Pre Beer Can" sized down tube. Newer models look odd with the huge down tubes. Yours is very graceful OTH.

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    91 700x35c Fisher , argile

    from 91' a 700 x 35 c bike with purple argile
    From G Fisher's photo collection.
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    Cool.
    Zip ties? Not on my bike!

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    Trek 7900

    I think this bike fits into this category. I have not had a chance to try it on any real singletrack yet. It is a Trek 7900. I believe it to be the last year they made it. It has a mix of LX/XT Grip shift Xray 8 speed and it's a fun little bike, but my 1991 S Works gets all of my saddle time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luther
    I think this bike fits into this category. I have not had a chance to try it on any real singletrack yet. It is a Trek 7900. I believe it to be the last year they made it. It has a mix of LX/XT Grip shift Xray 8 speed and it's a fun little bike, but my 1991 S Works gets all of my saddle time.
    It sure does, IMHO. Carbon-fiber main tubes, right?

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    700c, carbon, sweet!

    Hmm carbon, very nice bike. How big a tire can you stuff in there?

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    It is 700c but I do not know how fat of a tire will fit yet but there appears to be room for at least a narrow 29er tire (1.9.)

    Oh and yes it does have CF main tubes. It is pretty light in stock form. This is exactly how I bought the bike. I haven't touched it .....yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 cog frog
    I had totally forgotten about this thread until it was resurrected. I actually found a Diamondback Overdrive frame fork and headset on ebay after the initial post. I tried to make the Schwin Crisscross posted above work, but it barely takes a 35c tire, and is a bit too big for me.

    The Overdrive is all built up with new and old parts. Not too concerned about period correct on this one. But I did get some decent tires to fit (with only a pinch of clearance)front and rear.

    Toe overlap is one problem with the bigger front tire, but other than that, the bike is a blast to ride. Once the snow melts for good(if it ever does) I will take it out for the maiden trail voyage

    Spec is as follows:
    DB Overdrive Frame and fork (original)
    Tioga headset (original)
    Zoom Stem (period correct, not original)
    Salsa 17 deg handlebar, 36T chainring, and Flip Off skewers
    Grab On grips
    XT thumbshifter and rear deraileur (1X7)
    Ringle Moby Deuce seatpost
    Specialized saddle
    Bontrager Superstock wheel set
    Avid SD 5 v-brakes and levers
    WTB Exiwolf front tire
    Continental Vapor rear tire
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    I know this post is useless w/o pics , I will snap a couple and post them tonight!

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    I soooooo want one of those! Good work!
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    Here's the last riding pic of my Overdrive Comp from fall Barbie Camp 2006. Soon after I gave the frame and fork to my buddy Ken. I got around 50,000 miles out of it and the only things original by the time of this pic were the frame, fork, and seat collar. That bike saw me through years of hard commuting, touring, and off-road riding. It had 3 repaints and at least 5 totally different parts kits over the years.
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    Here's the last riding pic of my Overdrive Comp from fall Barbie Camp 2006. Soon after I gave the frame and fork to my buddy Ken. I got around 50,000 miles out of it and the only things original by the time of this pic were the frame, fork, and seat collar. That bike saw me through years of hard commuting, touring, and off-road riding. It had 3 repaints and at least 5 totally different parts kits over the years.

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    700D classic...GT Tachyon. This one will finally get some riding this year as the original owner only put on about 50 miles the the first 18 years. Somebody had wanted better pics in an earlier posting on this bike. For those of you not familiar with the 700d size and this model... it was the early version of a 650B, just three millimeters different in size. 1.4 slicks or knobby's and 2" knobby's were available for this size wheel. The flip flop quill stem and 2x4 multi-position dropouts were also unique features of the Tachyon. This one is all original spec Suntour XC LTD w/Suntour Command shifters, Araya RM-20 rims in 700D size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gm1230126
    For those of you not familiar with the 700d size and this model... it was the early version of a 650B.
    What makes you think 700d came before 650b?


    edit: Wow. I just realized something. The last three posts I've seen of yours have been coming right out of your a$$. Totally inaccurate, made up information every time. Why do you make stuff up when you don't know!? Great job! Granted, this time the made up information you are spewing is somewhat insignificant, the other times were not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    What makes you think 700d came before 650b?


    edit: Wow. I just realized something. The last three posts I've seen of yours have been coming right out of your a$$. Totally inaccurate, made up information every time. Why do you make stuff up when you don't know!? Great job! Granted, this time the made up information you are spewing is somewhat insignificant, the other times were not.
    I think everyone knows 650B dates back to WWII and 700D doesn't. But no need to get so hostile over some wheels. So, he's not as well versed as you are. How many of us are? Still, his bike is nice even if he doesn't know much about the wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS2
    I think everyone knows 650B dates back to WWII and 700D doesn't. But no need to get so hostile over some wheels. So, he's not as well versed as you are. How many of us are? Still, his bike is nice even if he doesn't know much about the wheels.

    This goes far beyond the wheels. The main point here is that he likes to make stuff up and present it as fact, when in reality he's entirely clueless about the topic at hand.

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    Ok let me say it differently.....700d preceeded the current 650b movement as it relates to mountain bikes. I was working in a bike shop in the late 70's and 80's and am fully aware that the euro's were making and riding 650b touring bikes way, way back. Yes...650b was on many of the charts in Sutherlands
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    Quote Originally Posted by gm1230126
    Ok let me say it differently.....700d preceeded the current 650b movement as it relates to mountain bikes. I was working in a bike shop in the late 70's and 80's and am fully aware that the euro's were making and riding 650b touring bikes way, way back. Yes...650b was on many of the charts in Sutherlands

    ah, you went and did your research just like last time I called you out on your entirely misleading/innacurate info regarding the Ritcheys.

    700D was not the "early version" of anything. It was nothing more than an amazingly dumb idea. And of course it preceded the modern 650B interests - so did everything else that existed prior to 2005.

    650B was brought back (not inspired by 700D) to allow better fitting bikes for short riders that wanted a bigger wheel. It also allows for better full suspension geometry.

    Anyway, good to have you back with us on the forum.

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