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    Joe looks a little...dirty. I'll see if I can't get the mud off the slide.

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    Too bad you sold your photos outright instead of licensing them. We might'a had a good Klunkerz 2.0... if it was underwritten by a major corporation, of course.

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    Another picture of the experimental Breezer:

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    That bike of Joe's looks like an endo machine.

    Those race pics...definitely my favorite years of racing right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    I found a photo of Joe Breeze with his 80-degree experimental bike, a pic of Gary Fisher racing, Tim Gould, Cindy Whitehead, and Don Myrah with Tinker Juarez from big Bear 1990.
    Was that the National Finals race? In that race Tinker flatted while in the lead near the bottom of the course. I was standing there and wanted to give him my spare tube so bad, but there where lots of people around and back then it was against the rules.
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    errr, excuse me?



    I really dig the bike. Honorable mention for the color matching pants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Staab
    errr, excuse me?

    I really dig the bike. Honorable mention for the color matching pants

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    Quote Originally Posted by outside!
    Was that the National Finals race? In that race Tinker flatted while in the lead near the bottom of the course. I was standing there and wanted to give him my spare tube so bad, but there where lots of people around and back then it was against the rules.

    yeah, I think it was but it had to have been 1989 rather than 90.

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    hey, ck, got any old pic o' me?

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    Hey Marc- I don't have any photo's of you but I have a photo of your bike I'm still working on the stem and a couple other parts!!
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    Not much with Marc, but here's a bit of obscure Marin MTB history, the 1989 "Derby" on Angel Island.

    Derby is hard to explain. It's kind of rollerball without the ball or the skaters, just the desire to bring down other riders.

    Marc understands.
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    This shot of Ned Overend looking back at John Tomac in the 1987 National Championships was money in the bank, except for one little thing.,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    yeah, I think it was but it had to have been 1989 rather than 90.
    89 and 90 kind of run together in my memory now. I seem to remember having a lot of fun though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    This shot of Ned Overend looking back at John Tomac in the 1987 National Championships was money in the bank, except for one little thing.,

    oh man, that's such a cool shot I think. what's the issue, the tree branch?


    I've said it before, but thanks for sharing these!


    Edit: I love the Oakley Factory Pilots hanging out of the jersey pocket. Ned looks a little nervous while Tomac scans the trail .
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    I rode that 78 degree head angle bike back when it was new, and it was a really twitchey steering machine, but JB said he was used to it by then, and, after riding it for a few weeks, he was so used to it that his regular bike felt funny. So we concluded that whatever you ride regularly and get used to becomes normal, and other rides aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairfaxPat
    I rode that 78 degree head angle bike back when it was new, and it was a really twitchey steering machine, but JB said he was used to it by then, and, after riding it for a few weeks, he was so used to it that his regular bike felt funny. So we concluded that whatever you ride regularly and get used to becomes normal, and other rides aren't.
    Kinda like the whole hoopla around 26 and 29 inch wheel bikes.

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    If I'm going to show the Derby, I have to show the aftermath, a celebration known as the Bike Pile. Derby is an annual event held on the same day every year at one of several ceremonial slabs large enough and deserted enough for the practice of this ancient art.

    Derby started innocently enough as a game played on road bikes by members of Velo-Club Tam, and I presume other clubs elsewhere. Everyone tightened their toe-straps, and rolled slowly around a small parking lot, the idea being to execute a trackstand in front of another rider so he was either forced to stay as still as you, or turn away from you and roll out. If you couldn't hold the trackstand long enough, you fell over because you didn't dare reach down to loosen your toe strap.

    Then an amazing thing happened. We started riding clunkers. While it was generally agreed that you didn't ram another guy's Cinelli with your Colnago just to win a silly game, once we started riding really rugged bikes, the attitude changed. Ramming was not only an option, it became the entire object. Gone was the trackstand. If you came to a stop, you would be t-boned instantly. See the photos above. Obstacles such as logs you could be forced into were added. I understand that in some circles bicyclists wear helmets, but not on Derby Day. A game that started out being conducted at excruciatingly slow pace, now became a bunch of riders circling at speed, looking for a victim and watching out for others at the same time.

    No wonder the "season" is one game a year.

    After the Derby, the bike pile became the ultimate expression of disrespect for the bikes, defining the other end of the spectrum from road riders praying over their precision machines. Using a steel pole as a mast, the idea was to stack the bikes as high as possible, so that the last had to be hurled onto the top of the pile.

    Like this.
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    Great story Charlie. Sounds like fun, and I'm sure it was great to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    oh man, that's such a cool shot I think. what's the issue, the tree branch?
    Apparently that was why it ended up in a box of rejected photos and thrown in a drawer, never published and not to be seen again until yesterday. Glad you like it.

    Now and then I find interesting things in my drawers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Apparently that was why it ended up in a box of rejected photos and thrown in a drawer, never published and not to be seen again until yesterday. Glad you like it.

    Now and then I find interesting things in my drawers.
    Hard not to drag that one into the gutter.
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    In the South we call 'em DRAWS........

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    UP!
    I think this is by far the best post I've ever seen in ANY forum....
    Thanks Charlie for sharing (I'm shaking just writing this)
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    This looks like a movie to me. Lords of Dogtown did it for the origins of modern skateboarding.

    Get Sammy Hagar to do the music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    Not much with Marc, but here's a bit of obscure Marin MTB history, the 1989 "Derby" on Angel Island.

    Derby is hard to explain. It's kind of rollerball without the ball or the skaters, just the desire to bring down other riders.

    Marc understands.

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    Oooh, derbying is fun! the MPLS crew is a big fan of derbying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Staab
    errr, excuse me?



    I really dig the bike. Honorable mention for the color matching pants
    Holy CRAP My drink flew out of my nose when I saw that... love the white socks and the reeboks!! is that grampa jazzercize???

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    Looks like Jack LaLanne. Same hair, same smile, same fashion sense...


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    Wow!! I just looked through this thread. GREAT pic's Charlie!! Thanks for posting them!!!

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    The photos I started this thread with have disappeared, because the server where I kept them shut down. Since they were among the best, I hope you won't mind if I put them up again.

    Here is Breezer #2 when it was new.
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    A long time ago....

    So I used to live in SR back in the day when Gary was first building bikes and hung out with a cat named Dennett Colescott. He intro'd me to many a cool folks: Denise, Mark, Mr. Ritchey to nane a few. Man, do I miss those days. I remember Mt. Tam and the spillway and skatin', bikin', beerin', etc. I talked with Dennett a fews years back and seems he doing ok (except for a little incident in CM). It's been since 1982ish that I was there but remember it like was yesterday. I'm sure alot has changed (really, no sh*t).
    If anyone can reach out to Dennett, have him post his doings here. Hello to all who may remember me and my "sanford & son" bike that I slammed into the wall on 4th street!
    Peace!

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    old photos

    Gary never made a bike AFAIK. He made phone calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsie_cat View Post
    Gary never made a bike AFAIK. He made phone calls.
    Depends on what you mean by "make a bike." Gary and I assembled the first couple of hundred MountainBikes, on frames built by Tom Ritchey. The company didn't need three framebuilders.

    When your contributions to mountain biking outweigh Gary's, feel free to snipe anonymously on the Internet. If you don't care about the photos on this thread, what's your @#$^ point?

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    I don't recall saying that his contributions were minor. Only pointing out that he was not a framebuilder.
    Sorry if that offends you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsie_cat View Post
    I don't recall saying that his contributions were minor. Only pointing out that he was not a framebuilder.
    Sorry if that offends you.
    Apology accepted, because it sure did.

    Now, do you have any old photos to contribute here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    When your contributions to mountain biking outweigh Gary's, feel free to snipe anonymously on the Internet. If you don't care about the photos on this thread, what's your @#$^ point?
    Its an open public forum...so he's kinda already free to say whatever he wants so long as its not a personal attack on another forum member.
    No one is questioning GF's contributions to MTB, they're significant....just that...Gary wasn't wielding a torch is all.



    The above posts aside, this is a great thread to have brought back. Fantastic pictures in it.
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    Thanks for posting these again! After seeing the pic of the handlebars and how far in the shifters and levers are I mimicked that on my DX. It made a huge difference in braking power because now I am getting more leverage by gripping the end of the levers.
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    Forgive me please. It's been about 30 years since I was in SR and got my first (and only) TR bike. I just wanted to comment on the great times riding through Mt. Tam and the great people I met. There was a little cafe in Fairfax (or maybe it was San Anselmo) where I would drink coffee and smoke little clove cigs and listen to a couple talk about the "Fat Tire Flyer". It was almost like everyone had a really cool bike and became instant friends embarking on a 3 hr ride through the hills of Marin.
    Man, those were some of the best, carefree days of my life! Thanks for the great posts and pics. And yes, I did recognize Dennett with that big 'ol red fro. Good times.

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    @RepackRider & all others

    Are there sources where I can find scans of the old Repack-Race-posters in higher scan quality?
    I only found them on Charlie´s website and those scans are a bit to small to put them on a t-shirt !
    Really like those old artwork and like to make a t-shirt for me and a friend.

    Or do you guys know a shop which sells “cool” vintage reprint shirts 

    Thanks !
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    Quote Originally Posted by saschomat View Post
    @RepackRider & all others

    Are there sources where I can find scans of the old Repack-Race-posters in higher scan quality?
    I only found them on Charlie´s website and those scans are a bit to small to put them on a t-shirt !
    Really like those old artwork and like to make a t-shirt for me and a friend.

    Or do you guys know a shop which sells “cool” vintage reprint shirts 

    Thanks !
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    Haha, saw that one coming.
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    Shirts like this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FairfaxPat View Post
    Shirts like this one?

    Exactly !

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    You hadda be there.......

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    Priceless history, love the pics

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    Coolest pics I have ever seen.......wow, thanks to all posters!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    The photos I started this thread with have disappeared, because the server where I kept them shut down. Since they were among the best, I hope you won't mind if I put them up again.

    Here is Breezer #2 when it was new.
    Breezer got it right if they are still making copies of the bike today
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    The balloon tires look perfect. Are they 2.35?
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Sapo Rojo View Post
    The balloon tires look perfect. Are they 2.35?
    Probably labeled as a 2.125.
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    That Ritchey/MountainBikes bike has Carlisle-made Uni-Royal Nobby tires. Size is 26 x 2.125 inches. This bike appeared on the cover of the MountainBikes catalog of about mid-1980.

    BTW, San Francisco International airport (SFO) is hoping to find a Ritchey/MountainBikes bike of this vintage for their upcoming International terminal show of mountain biking. I think the show will run May-September 2012. They loan would need to happen soon, by the end of January is the hope.

    Know of a candidate?

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    Several people have them but they seem to be too far away to get them here in time?

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    I would be willing to loan out my restored '81 Ritchey for the SFO exhibit. But that bike has been refinished, so might not be as appropriate as a bike with original paint that looks like it's been "down the hill" a few times.

    I don't know who is organizing this, but they can PM me.

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    I've got nothing to loan, but as a frequent flyer, I have to say that I really love the terminal exhibits at SFO. They are always so cool. It would be great to see bikes there.
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    Hey JB,
    Maybe Ramekon wants my old, dinged Ritchey/MountainBikes bike at SFO? It's still got original paint/decals etc. It's hanging in the Fairfax Cyclery now, so it's close by. I'll reach out to him.

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    Could possibly get this one up there if you're still in need:

    <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/tinc500/DSC00582-1.jpg">

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    TR has made this one available for the upcoming SFO exhibit - Ritchey Numero Uno!
    Photo courtesy ssmike (thanks Mike)


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    AB here, I'm not getting any photos for Cks' post, Hollisters' 2 photos of the repainted prototype are showing. Rumpfy !! Help !! Firefox on PC here.....CK ?? I am getting all the Blue Collar photos tho....
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    Quote Originally Posted by repackpioneer View Post
    AB here, I'm not getting any photos for Cks' post, Hollisters' 2 photos of the repainted prototype are showing. Rumpfy !! Help !! Firefox on PC here.....CK ?? I am getting all the Blue Collar photos tho....
    Hey AB -

    You should be able to see them since you're logged on to MTBR. I'm on Firefox and a PC as well. The remote linked images would be visible either way unless the owner moved image locations.

    Anyone or any specific post you're not seeing images for?
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    I had used a different server (Compuserve) to host some of the earlier images in this thread. Compuserve shut down its webhosting service a couple of years ago, wiping out all the linked images. For that reason I have reposted some of those images.

    Now I either upload directly to MTBR or host on photobucket.

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    I have a question for you Repack. In the early days, when and where did y'all find 26" mb tires? I guess what I'm asking is, when did actual mb tires come out? Because before that wasn't it just ballon tires that were available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975
    I have a question for you Repack. In the early days, when and where did y'all find 26" mb tires? I guess what I'm asking is, when did actual mb tires come out? Because before that wasn't it just ballon tires that were available?
    Uniroyal "Nobby" [sic] were on the first Ritcheys because that was all that was available. $3, five or six pounds, indestructible. Alloy rims replaced steel in 1979, but tires lagged behind.

    First light tire on the market was the Mitsuboshi "Cruiser Mitt," with a street tread. CyclePro brought out the "Snakebelly" around 1980, a light tire with a dirt tread, designed for BMX 26" racing and not very tough in any environment that included rocks.

    In 1981 Specialized brought out their first product for the off-road market, the Stumpjumper tire. Within another year or so there were several more tires on the market.

    Here is the first ad for the Stumpjumper tire, which ran in the Fat Tire Flyer. Before bringing out this tire, Specialized was a small importing company supplying wholesale parts to bike shops, including a rented garage where a couple of hippies were turning out unusual bikes. In 1980 most cyclists had never heard of the company.

    Specialized had no ad department to provide ad copy and we wanted their money, so we mocked up the ad by having our house artist draw the tire and added the copy with the old fashioned press-on letters.
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    Oh ok, interesting. Thank you!

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    So Specialized made tires before they made bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975
    So Specialized made tires before they made bikes?
    Yes. The way they got into the bike business was by purchasing four Ritchey bikes from Gary and me, ostensibly because the guys at the warehouse wanted them. The bikes were sent to Japan with an order for a whole bunch more "just like this." These bikes had an ironic label that said "Designed by Tim Neenan." Sure.

    The other early entry into the mass market MTB game was Univega, whose "Alpina Sport" was "designed" by a Ritchey owner.

    Of course, Specialized was just the first of many. For the first four or five years that MTBs were mass produced, the "design" was to make bikes just like ours.

    Allow me to direct your attention to klunkerz.com.

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    Cool, thanks Mr. Kelly!

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    Love the history, Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed View Post
    Cool bike. Steve told me he built that while apprenticing under Joe.

    I might guess that that's Joe Breeze in that photo rather than Steve as I think Steve's a little taller and that bike looks smaller than Steve's.... and those chops that you can barely see there... Maybe Joe can confirm or deny.
    True fact, my friend: Those are my chops.

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    From out of nowhere I get an email from Ed Smith, who includes some old shots from Repack races. Looking at them it seems to me that these were shot at multiple races, at least one in 1978 because it includes a Series I Breezer. The photos are stunning and never seen by me before this.

    Riders are (Joe Breeze's mentor) Marc Vendetti, Eric Fletcher (killed in 1978 in an auto accident), Jerry Heidenreich and Fred Wolf on a Breezer. Jerry is also an original Breezer owner, but he isn't riding one in the photo.
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    Wow! Some quality shots there Charlie. Thanks for posting! I love them! So the order you listed is top to bottom?

    edit: nm, I see the Breezer on the bottom.

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    I'm diggin the , what looks to be, a Protog cycling cap on the 1st riders noggin........CK looks to have the "I just burned+pillaged the village behind me,on my way to slay some lions" look in his eyes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssulljm View Post
    CK looks to have the "I just burned+pillaged the village behind me, on my way to slay some lions" look in his eyes....
    I'm not in the photo. The fourth rider is Fred Wolf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    I'm not in the photo. The fourth rider is Fred Wolf.
    OK, Now I know I'm bumping my reading glasses over the +300 threshold

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    awesome pics!

    the first 2 are the corner just above this?

    looking for 20-21" P team

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    the first 2 are the corner just above this?
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    Correct. Check out the footwear. Do you sense a theme?

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    Always nice to see JB smiling like a kid!

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    Never been to Marin county, but I have been riding bikes off-road for a while. One of the things that always moves me is how photos can illustrate things one might never see otherwise. I was enjoying the comparo of the same scene, 35 years apart...little shrub becomes small tree...

    That first pic of the bike layed way over, "drifting" is past awesome

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    Great photos SeeKay ... Marc Vendetti is absolutely styling through that corner ... focused yet relaxed ... textbook.

    Hey SeeKay, how about this photo you published in the '81 MountainBikes catalog? My first glimpse of a mountain bike from 3000 miles away. The hill seemed so impossibly steep...

    Any info on the photo .. rider / bike / location (Geronimo Ridge?)


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    Quote Originally Posted by nightshade_rider View Post
    Any info on the photo .. rider / bike / location (Geronimo Ridge?)
    The rider is Fred Wolf, on a Series I Breezer. The hill in the background is White's Hill, which puts him in Tamarancho on a road no longer open to bikes.

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    Thanks for posting Charlie!!

    It's always great to see pics of the founding fathers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider View Post
    From out of nowhere I get an email from Ed Smith, who includes some old shots from Repack races. Looking at them it seems to me that these were shot at multiple races, at least one in 1978 because it includes a Series I Breezer. The photos are stunning and never seen by me before this.

    Riders are (Joe Breeze's mentor) Marc Vendetti, Eric Fletcher (killed in 1978 in an auto accident), Jerry Heidenreich and Fred Wolf on a Breezer. Jerry is also an original Breezer owner, but he isn't riding one in the photo.
    Vendetti drifting it that flat is killer. Awesome style points!

    Very cool of Ed to bring in those old photos and for you to scan and get them posted. Good stuff!
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    Thanks for posting all these great photos!

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    Yes, that helmet is a Skid Lid - pretty sure that is me. There were a few of us there wearing Skid Lids that drove up from San Diego... We had a great time. I came in 20th overall, and didn't get to pre-ride the course (don't think that many people did...) Pretty much everyone was on a rigid bike and there were a few 'experimental' suspension designs there. That was a wild weekend. I got 3rd overall in the Trials, 20th in the DH, and the altitude just killed me the last day on the Sierra 7500. Maybe finished mid-pack and best, but still had a great time. Went back to do the 7500 again a couple of years later. Great pic, whoever took it. Brings back great memories...
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    Guys in Four-Photo Sequence

    Up this thread a few posts is a sequence of four photos. I recently discovered the name of top rider (really crankin' it over). It's Berkeley Trailers Union rider, Duncan McCoy (not Marc Vendetti). While I'm at it, the rider ID'd as Jerry Heidenreich is actually Matt Hansen. Many moons ago...

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