• 05-10-2016
    Mr. Claus
    Thanks folks, it'll be a somewhat brief "build" thread, if the pictures were accurate she's in pretty good shape. I'll create a P-22 build-lite thread now. Hopefully I and it will be ready for this mythical vintage ride Rumpf mentioned?
  • 10-30-2016
    laffeaux
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    Here's a nearly completed project that I've been working on this past year. Sorry for the picture quality but it's pouring rain outside, so I snapped a few pics in my garage.

    I had been looking for an early (pre-1980) Ritchey road frame for a while, but finding them is difficult, and find one in my size is even more difficult. I found and bought this frameset on Feb 2 of this year. I lucked into this one on the Classic Rendezvous list.

    The paint was originally gray and in really rough shape. I had the seller send it directly to CyclArt in SoCal to have them "fix" the paint. Luckily they were able to turn around the frame quickly and by late March the frame was in my hands with fresh paint!

    I wanted to build the bike up with less common parts than I normally see or use. The easy route would have been a full Campy Super Record build, but I own a full-SR bike from this era already so it seemed kind of repetitive. I opted to go with as many US made components as possible and fill in the rest with a Zeus 2000 drive train and brakes and Cinelli bar and stem. There are not a whole lot of US-made offerings from the era, but I did go with Hi-E hubs, Weyless seat post, and an Avocet saddle (not US made, but a SF bay area company). Coming up with some of the parts was challenging but it's finally together.

    I think the frame is form '79 based on the serial number. Tom used a lot of different styles when he built, and this frame as the "park bench" behind the BB to stiffen the frame, and an interesting fork crown.

    Since it's raining I've not actually ridden the bike yet, but will get it out this week to see how it does.

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  • 10-30-2016
    ssulljm
    A ride in the nearby wilderness area should be the tell all..
    This bike is made for trails... nice lookin rider!
  • 10-30-2016
    colker1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Here's a nearly completed project that I've been working on this past year. Sorry for the picture quality but it's pouring rain outside, so I snapped a few pics in my garage.

    I had been looking for an early (pre-1980) Ritchey road frame for a while, but finding them is difficult, and find one in my size is even more difficult. I found and bought this frameset on Feb 2 of this year. I lucked into this one on the Classic Rendezvous list.

    The paint was originally gray and in really rough shape. I had the seller send it directly to CyclArt in SoCal to have them "fix" the paint. Luckily they were able to turn around the frame quickly and by late March the frame was in my hands with fresh paint!

    I wanted to build the bike up with less common parts than I normally see or use. The easy route would have been a full Campy Super Record build, but I own a full-SR bike from this era already so it seemed kind of repetitive. I opted to go with as many US made components as possible and fill in the rest with a Zeus 2000 drive train and brakes and Cinelli bar and stem. There are not a whole lot of US-made offerings from the era, but I did go with Hi-E hubs, Weyless seat post, and an Avocet saddle (not US made, but a SF bay area company). Coming up with some of the parts was challenging but it's finally together.

    I think the frame is form '79 based on the serial number. Tom used a lot of different styles when he built, and this frame as the "park bench" behind the BB to stiffen the frame, and an interesting fork crown.

    Since it's raining I've not actually ridden the bike yet, but will get it out this week to see how it does.

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    Briiliant. Awesome. Perfect. I am also on the Not campy for a change.. camp. I like Suntour (on cinelli supercorsas for example) but i guess it would be non period correct since Suntour entry was early to mid eighties. I may be wrong.

    You even went w/ tubular wheels... classy.
  • 10-30-2016
    tductape
    Wow!
  • 10-31-2016
    Wacowacko
    FANTANSTIC ......I love those "park bench" Ritcheys !
  • 10-31-2016
    rismtb
    I could look at that fork all day straight
  • 10-31-2016
    lewisfoto
    Stunner
  • 11-03-2016
    chudly
    A thing of beauty.
  • 11-03-2016
    girlonbike
    Very nice, Laffeaux.

    By the way, I had a dream the other day with you in it. You were moving back and I was helping you and your wifey. It was very hot and the uhaul was very full with inner tubes hanging from the ceiling. haha!
  • 11-03-2016
    colker1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Very nice, Laffeaux.

    By the way, I had a dream the other day with you in it. You were moving back and I was helping you and your wifey. It was very hot and the uhaul was very full with inner tubes hanging from the ceiling. haha!

    It's a dream about pregnancy.
  • 11-03-2016
    laffeaux
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Very nice, Laffeaux.

    By the way, I had a dream the other day with you in it. You were moving back and I was helping you and your wifey. It was very hot and the uhaul was very full with inner tubes hanging from the ceiling. haha!

    You really dream big, don't you. ;)

    I hope the inner tubes held air, unlike the ones hanging in my basement waiting to be patched.
  • 11-04-2016
    Mr. Claus
    Laffeaux,

    I'll have to chime in and say that fork is a thing of beauty, so elegant, I think I like it more than the bi-plane ones. Hope you get a break in the rain (and before the snow!) to get a couple rides in.

    The Ritchey brazed stem isn't for this right? come to think of it I don't think I've ever seen a brazed Ritchey road stem, though I haven't been around the block that many times. Cheers and enjoy
  • 11-04-2016
    Mr. Claus
    Oh and I also like the subtle decals, I assume this is before the iconic "Ritchey" decals?
  • 11-04-2016
    laffeaux
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mr. Claus View Post
    Oh and I also like the subtle decals, I assume this is before the iconic "Ritchey" decals?

    The stem is for a different bike. I think Tom made some road stems that climbed onto a steerer stub, but I've not seen a fillet-brazed quill stem from him.

    The frame would normally have "Ritchey" on the down tube. However, I asked CyclArt not to put them on. I think it looks better without them, plus the frame doesn't require a decal to tell people who built it.
  • 11-04-2016
    DoubleCentury
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    Bi-plane road fork.

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  • 11-04-2016
    DoubleCentury
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    Clamp on stem from 1976.

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  • 11-04-2016
    DoubleCentury
    Awesome bike Laffeaux!
  • 11-05-2016
    colker1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Clamp on stem from 1976.

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    Jesus Christ... I just had a visual orgasm.
  • 11-05-2016
    DoubleCentury
    Yeah, not bad for a 19 year old kid.
  • 11-05-2016
    colker1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Bi-plane road fork.

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    Dario Pegoretti is doing something similar for his Luigino... 19yr old Tom's job does not fall behind.
  • 11-05-2016
    rismtb
    is that a powder coat? looks kindda plasticiky
  • 11-05-2016
    DoubleCentury
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rismtb View Post
    is that a powder coat? looks kindda plasticiky

    Cycleart laid it on way too thick unfortunately.
  • 11-07-2016
    sryanak
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    Briiliant. Awesome. Perfect. I am also on the Not campy for a change.. camp. I like Suntour (on cinelli supercorsas for example) but i guess it would be non period correct since Suntour entry was early to mid eighties. I may be wrong.

    .

    I bought a Fuji Finest in 1973 that had Suntour / Sugino drivetrain.
  • 11-07-2016
    colker1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sryanak View Post
    I bought a Fuji Finest in 1973 that had Suntour / Sugino drivetrain.

    Hmmm... good info. When did everybody realize the suntour rear derr. was way more efficient (and lighter) than campy? Late 70s?
  • 11-08-2016
    laffeaux
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    Hmmm... good info. When did everybody realize the suntour rear derr. was way more efficient (and lighter) than campy? Late 70s?

    Suntour patented the slant parallelogram rear derailleur in 1964, and the patent didn't expire until 1984. During that time Suntour likely had the best shifting derailleurs on the market. I think Rhino (Italian component maker) licensed the design, but no one else did.

    For Europeans that raced (and the few Americans as well) Suntour and Shimano were rarely used. In the pro peloton they were certainly non-existent. Suntour did not sponsor teams or cater to racers, but I'm not sure why the average rider didn't use them so much. Frank Berto wrote a great article on Suntour and part of his explanation was that Suntour sold their products too cheaply - no one believed that a $20 derailleur out performed a $45 derailleur.

    Campy was the biggest supplier of the era and was on most of the non-French race bikes, but Simplex, Huret, Zeus, Gipiemme, and others all built products as well. Simplex had the lightest, Suntour shifted the best, and everyone wanted Campy. ;)

    Campy saw Zeus as their big competitor, and completely missed Suntour and Shimano taking over the market in the '80s.
  • 11-08-2016
    colker1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Suntour patented the slant parallelogram rear derailleur in 1964, and the patent didn't expire until 1984. During that time Suntour likely had the best shifting derailleurs on the market. I think Rhino (Italian component maker) licensed the design, but no one else did.

    For Europeans that raced (and the few Americans as well) Suntour and Shimano were rarely used. In the pro peloton they were certainly non-existent. Suntour did not sponsor teams or cater to racers, but I'm not sure why the average rider didn't use them so much. Frank Berto wrote a great article on Suntour and part of his explanation was that Suntour sold their products too cheaply - no one believed that a $20 derailleur out performed a $45 derailleur.

    Campy was the biggest supplier of the era and was on most of the non-French race bikes, but Simplex, Huret, Zeus, Gipiemme, and others all built products as well. Simplex had the lightest, Suntour shifted the best, and everyone wanted Campy. ;)

    Campy saw Zeus as their big competitor, and completely missed Suntour and Shimano taking over the market in the '80s.

    Excellent info. Also, the cranks... Suntour cranks are beautifull too while Campy of certain vintage had the habit of breaking.
  • 11-20-2016
    rismtb
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    Timberwolf ready for prey
    Not sure what year this frame was brazed by Tom, fairly early judging by the ser#, perhaps one of the first unicrowns. This was Barry's bike who is 70 and lives on the flatlands of Vancouver delta. He mentioned he bought it from Bayshore bikes on a day that Tom was actually there and there was a special on pricing and Tom would sign the top tube. He wasn't really a cyclist but had lots of money at the time and thought these new mtb's were cool. He certainly didn't ride much, it was sporting rack,bags,3w light and my fav a kickstand. It is completely orig sans extras. 19" and I guess it was painted here possibly and built up later from Tom's older stock
  • 11-20-2016
    Mr. Claus
    Man that is awfully clean, I am assuming it's now in your line up? Also is that bull moose TIGed? If it's now yours nice find and like the story too.
  • 11-20-2016
    rismtb
    Si enter into collection awaiting similar public vmtb display/museum/coffee/eatery/brewery. As of now everyone including me is shunning any responsibility for such venture for obvious reasons mostly it would cut into ride time which is more important.
  • 12-02-2016
    LeicaLad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    Here's a nearly completed project that I've been working on this past year. Sorry for the picture quality but it's pouring rain outside, so I snapped a few pics in my garage.

    I had been looking for an early (pre-1980) Ritchey road frame for a while, but finding them is difficult, and find one in my size is even more difficult. I found and bought this frameset on Feb 2 of this year. I lucked into this one on the Classic Rendezvous list.

    The paint was originally gray and in really rough shape. I had the seller send it directly to CyclArt in SoCal to have them "fix" the paint. Luckily they were able to turn around the frame quickly and by late March the frame was in my hands with fresh paint!

    I wanted to build the bike up with less common parts than I normally see or use. The easy route would have been a full Campy Super Record build, but I own a full-SR bike from this era already so it seemed kind of repetitive. I opted to go with as many US made components as possible and fill in the rest with a Zeus 2000 drive train and brakes and Cinelli bar and stem. There are not a whole lot of US-made offerings from the era, but I did go with Hi-E hubs, Weyless seat post, and an Avocet saddle (not US made, but a SF bay area company). Coming up with some of the parts was challenging but it's finally together.

    I think the frame is form '79 based on the serial number. Tom used a lot of different styles when he built, and this frame as the "park bench" behind the BB to stiffen the frame, and an interesting fork crown.

    Since it's raining I've not actually ridden the bike yet, but will get it out this week to see how it does.

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    This is such a fabulous bike. I remember when it came up on the CR list. To say that the "paint was rough" is a bit of an understatement. There were some significant issues with rust and corrosion. Clearly CycleArt did some very fine restorative work there.

    Do please give us a ride report -- as well as any additional photos you might like to post (!)

    I have a weakness for Tom's work in this era. I think it was right at his peak!

    imho, obviously.
  • 12-15-2016
    slowedtrans
    Help IDing my new(to me Ritchey)
    I recently bought this Ritchey. I am not going for period correct collectable, but a just a nice vintage usable all terrain bike.

    Serial number 1654. I am kinda confused what model it was. I am assuming it is A 1994 P-22 because of the 4 digit serial. I have not seen any all white frames bikes from browsing since the Ritchey Ultra. Could the bike have been repainted or was white offered ever on the p series? Also a bit confused about the MarwiUSA sticker. At first I thought it was the name of someone (maybe racer or someone who owned the bike) but then found out they make seats, pedals, spokes. As far as I know it didnt have any Marwi products on it...

    It seems it was built with all Shimano XT bits from 1994 - M737 (8 Speed shifters, Xt Brakes, XT rear derailleur , XTR front.
    -Some Sugino Crank.

    Ritchey Cockpit bits
    -Force Stem
    -Comp lite bar
    -Ritchey Seatpost

    Ritchey Rock Pro Rims - Made in Italy. The hubs I can't id yet. The logo is some Stylized "O".

    Anyone know if more info on this bike? I was hoping to id it so I could pull the Marwi stickers of and put the corresponding P-22, p-23, etc on there!

    Thanks.

    Edit - photos to come.

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  • 12-15-2016
    lewisfoto
    Looks legit to me, I have seen white P series bikes before.