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    The serial number is given: 20b50.

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    I believe 20b50 to be an 83' In gun metal grey, I think Tom was anti colour? preferred the colour of steel?I also have an 82 and another 83 in the same colour. I looks kinda brown in shop light. There are some interesting parts on this one. A road headset, the deer head rear derailleur looks like something Tom got from Shimano pre production? It has a rectangle plate on the bottom that says pat pending plus on the bolts. The fillet brazed bull moose are stamped Ritchey MountainBikes on the steer tube and just below it is stamped Specialized? I guess Tom was working with Mike S at that point. Never heard of the cranks, they are very light and well made. I guess I will grow old waiting to find a matching Ukai speedline rim. I patient grasshopper

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    Our much beloved Ritchey registry seems to be down. Anybody know what's happening?

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    1 hr left on the rare Ritchey on EBay today. If this is really a 79' ??? I hope it stays in the USA and ultimately at the new museum. The parts are obviously from 83 and newer. The frame seems a bit of a contradiction with different era braze ons and the Ritchey USA banner decal but that fork wow.

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    I've been sighing over it since it popped. Yeah, shame no original bars. I also wonder about '79 versus, say, 81'ish. But it is all about the matching crown fork, in my eyes. Frame with original twin-plate crown. End of story. But, I cannot justify when I really should turn loose of my "art piece" that I just cannot ride.

    And what happened to the "oldmountainbikes" site????

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    Okay. Now, who bought it?

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    It looks like a very early frame to me. The fork crown and seat cluster are both the earliest style. It is odd that the decals are newer, as well as the components.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeicaLad View Post
    And what happened to the "oldmountainbikes" site????
    I didn't renew the hosting fees this month. I've been paying to host the site for 12 years and finally decided that the costs are adding up to more than it's worth to me - especially when it seems as though I have no time to maintain it. I'm trying to decide if I should look for a less expensive hosting option (i.e. free) or transfere it to someone that has more time to work on it.
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    So sorry, but this is understandable. What kind of fees are / have been involved?

    I would love to volunteer for the duty, but, frankly, I'm not experienced at keeping ANY web site running.

    I DO believe it to be a wonderful resource and I am very, very grateful for all the time it has been available. I've spent many hours there. Really.

    I will, at the least, be part of the cheerleading team that it doesn't die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicaLad View Post
    So sorry, but this is understandable. What kind of fees are / have been involved?
    The place I use to host is $25/mon. for one site and $5/mon for each additional. When I started the site I needed another site for work, so the OldMountainBikes site was $5/mon (no big deal). Times changes and I haven't "needed" a site for several year (although I've been paying for two). So I've been paying $30/mon for the past few years plus annual registration fees (which aren't a big deal). At ~$400/yr I'm not sure that I'm all that interested keeping it going year after year. There are cheaper hosting options out there, but most of the free sites don't allow CGI scripts to run, which is what I used for a lot of the pages. I'll figure something out to get the content back up somewhere.
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    I am still trying to reach some IT guy's as well here's a little something to tie us over
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    Tom was so prolific he could qualify for The best mass produced MTB award.
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    Quite a line up. Very cool family photo there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rismtb View Post
    1 hr left on the rare Ritchey on EBay today. If this is really a 79' ??? I hope it stays in the USA and ultimately at the new museum. The parts are obviously from 83 and newer. The frame seems a bit of a contradiction with different era braze ons and the Ritchey USA banner decal but that fork wow.
    Could this bike really be a late '82 or '83? Certainly odd with the diver bell cable stops for the rear brake and the newer slotted cable stops for the shift cables. It does have the "flush crown" fork (top plate of crown finished flush with blades) but I don't think that is an indicator of early/late forks. My speculation is that TR made the flush crown forks for use with the early Blackburn front racks, which might have a hard time fitting over a regular bi-plane fork with overhanging top plate.

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    Official (Tom) Ritchey Picture Thread

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    Tom was so prolific he could qualify for The best mass produced MTB award.
    Ha! Exactly. More than 300 a year! Right.

    And thank you Laffeaux for hosting it all these years. I've also benefitted and enjoyed it. I completely agree that it's a pretty big expense. Bike pro is also one that I've looked at for reference quite frequently in addition to mombat. At least Jeff gets sales out of it! Don't feel bad about it, maybe doublecentury's workshop guys can handle it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Ha! Exactly. More than 300 a year! Right.

    And thank you Laffeaux for hosting it all these years. I've also benefitted and enjoyed it. I completely agree that it's a pretty big expense. Bike pro is also one that I've looked at for reference quite frequently in addition to mombat. At least Jeff gets sales out of it! Don't feel bad about it, maybe doublecentury's workshop guys can handle it!
    Thank you EL. I had no idea the cost involved. Wow. I feel like I lost a great friend.No doubt I have looked at that site hundreds of times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tductape View Post
    Thank you EL. I had no idea the cost involved. Wow. I feel like I lost a great friend.No doubt I have looked at that site hundreds of times.
    Yes, thank you EL for building and maintaining the site all these years. It certainly was the go-to site for information to guide the two Ritchey restorations I have done.

    Now its kinda like tuning in to your favorite radio station and just getting dead air and static. We take much for granted until its gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Don't feel bad about it, maybe doublecentury's workshop guys can handle it!
    His people talked to my people and determined that the construction formats are very different and would not be easy to transport.

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    There are way cheaper hosting options out there that are paid sites where you get what the free sites don't give. These places are also not Go-daddy levels of suckitude also. See your PM's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tductape View Post
    Thank you EL. I had no idea the cost involved. Wow. I feel like I lost a great friend.No doubt I have looked at that site hundreds of times.
    +2. I can't count how many times I've utilized not only this site, but the wisdom on your other bike pages too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    The place I use to host is $25/mon. for one site and $5/mon for each additional. When I started the site I needed another site for work, so the OldMountainBikes site was $5/mon (no big deal). Times changes and I haven't "needed" a site for several year (although I've been paying for two). So I've been paying $30/mon for the past few years plus annual registration fees (which aren't a big deal). At ~$400/yr I'm not sure that I'm all that interested keeping it going year after year. There are cheaper hosting options out there, but most of the free sites don't allow CGI scripts to run, which is what I used for a lot of the pages. I'll figure something out to get the content back up somewhere.
    I, too, am a bit shocked, but it just makes me all the more grateful for the access I/we had to such a collection of details.

    I often would just flip down the list of bikes and examine the details for pleasure. What a resource.

    I hope it can return to us one day, but I truly had no idea of the burdens.

    Thanks, yet again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightshade_rider View Post
    Could this bike really be a late '82 or '83? Certainly odd with the diver bell cable stops for the rear brake and the newer slotted cable stops for the shift cables. It does have the "flush crown" fork (top plate of crown finished flush with blades) but I don't think that is an indicator of early/late forks. My speculation is that TR made the flush crown forks for use with the early Blackburn front racks, which might have a hard time fitting over a regular bi-plane fork with overhanging top plate.
    Good point on the downtube guides. The top tube has "diver helmet" stops, but the down tube does not. Not sure what to make of that.
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    DT guides had me wondering also. Someone was sure convinced though.
    Cool stuff.
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    1993 Ritchey P-21

    So a guy I ride with who, like me, had a collection of old bikes, decided in the span of a couple of weeks that he was going to sell all of his old bikes and buy a new ones. I tried to talk him out of it but in the end he had his mind made up and since I did not wan to see the Ritchey go to some strange on Ebay I agreed to buy it. It has the original finish and mostly original parts with lots of wear but still very presentable. I have ridden it twice now and aside from having a very quick front end I found it to be an excellent handling bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisfoto View Post
    So a guy I ride with who, like me, had a collection of old bikes, decided in the span of a couple of weeks that he was going to sell all of his old bikes and buy a new ones. I tried to talk him out of it but in the end he had his mind made up and since I did not wan to see the Ritchey go to some strange on Ebay I agreed to buy it. It has the original finish and mostly original parts with lots of wear but still very presentable. I have ridden it twice now and aside from having a very quick front end I found it to be an excellent handling bike.

    I really like that...clean, purposeful, and looks fast standing still.
    The R/W/B paintjob brings back some great memories.

    Did Tom do any of the work on the frames that have the "by Ritchey Mountain Bikes" decal?



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    Dig the P21! Nice save. Hopefully he gave you a decent bro deal also. Pure race machine in good shape, and it has the stripes on the seat tube to prove it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoaststeve View Post
    I really like that...clean, purposeful, and looks fast standing still.
    The R/W/B paintjob brings back some great memories.

    Did Tom do any of the work on the frames that have the "by Ritchey Mountain Bikes" decal?

    Steve
    I don't know, but I have seen frames with decals that say "Handmade by Tom Ritchey" which this does not have.

    I have been riding with the previous owner for 10 years and I was shocked when he wanted to sell given that he has had it for 20 years. It was originally ridden by one of the employees of Bud's Bike Shop here in Claremont which was a high end shop.

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    a 2.3 tire will mellow out the front just enough..

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    For the most part, I believe with the P series frames, Tom created the fillet brazed Team Models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    a 2.3 tire will mellow out the front just enough..

    Thanks for the suggestion, will try that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisfoto View Post
    Thanks for the suggestion, will try that.
    Nice! Classic. I love my P-23 and I have 2.3 tires up front and it does fantastic.

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    1987-8 Super Comp - 8C146

    Got this as a frame and fork.

    18 inch and I think it is an 87 or 88. Serial Number 8C146

    It had lots of paint missing. But I just couldn't repaint it. A lot of the original paint was still there so I decided to have some fun with it and just touch it up with some contrasting colours. I am hoping for a cure to be discovered someday for badly chipped bikes.

    I have decided to call the paint scheme 'chipoflauge'.

    It looks interesting in person and since I will use this often I now don't worry about getting additional chips on it.

    For the rebuild I used all build correct and period correct parts, with the exception of tires (Ritchey Cross Bite) and pedals (MKS 2000 Graphite). Cable ends still need cutting and soldering.

    Most components are Shimano XT - M730 Series
    Seat Post: Suntour XC
    Seat: Turbo
    Rims: Mavic Rando M5 with XT hubs
    Grips: Grab On

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    Great old bike, although I am not too keen on the Chipoflage. A halfway decent painter can spot paint the worst areas for a pretty reasonable price. I had a top tube painted for about $80, it was flawless and allowed me to retain the original decals.
    Last edited by lewisfoto; 07-07-2014 at 08:42 AM.

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    Sq root of 2 is an excellent paint restorer that looks like he's just doing something different. Good for you for not repainting it. Great workhorse of a bike.

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    I would like to share with you a picture of something you don't get to see very often. After removing the seat stays on this Ritchey (Timber Wolf?) frame, you can see how Tom would modify the drop outs to suit the angles he needed. Kind of cool i think.

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    That's a great picture. Thanks for sharing that
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    So of course the question is what prompted the repair?
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    Rusted stays. See thru.

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    YO, I think the Chipoflage is very artsy, looks intentional and great...kind of like one of those silly FC bikes! good-on-ya.
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    Anyone that rides a bicycle knows what he's talkin about:

    Brian Vernor and Tom Ritchey | The Radavist

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    Re: Official (Tom) Ritchey Picture Thread

    Was picking up my old 88 wtb hubs with spanky new bearings in them today, and look what I found. Possibly an 84 with the Rocky Mountain sticker that the shop owner just bought. Almost mint!




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    Ritchey bull moose bar stem clamp issue

    Gentle Riders of the Ritchey persuasion, I have questions.

    About the bull moose bars and attachment to the fork stem. On my 81 Ritchey, the bull moose bars and stem were one. It was tightened the same way as other quill-type stems. On the 84 SC, it is a clamp that is part of the bar and tightened with a rather small hex-headed bolt.

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    I got dumped, most unceremoniously, while mashing up a hill and the bars simply slipped around. I have 3 broken ribs and an AC-shoulder separation from that moment. Moreover, Id made a point to tighten that bolt before the ride, as Id been eyeing it as a potential problem point.

    Ill also point out that a proper adjustment of the headset requires you to remove the bars. The specialized wrenches for this headset cannot get past the broad base of the bars. I find that annoying, as well.

    How long did Ritchey build the bull moose bars like this? As noted, it wasnt this way on my 81, but I dont have personal experience with too many other specimens. My only other Ritchey is an 80 road bike.

    Is there a trick to getting this tight enough to not slip? Seems a weak design for an off-road bike, no? Does one sand the stem to a rough state (and risk it being permanent)?

    The bike, btw, emerged from the crash with nary a mark. I think I instinctively held it aloft while I slide in the gravel.

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    Let me be the 1st to offer my quill bullmoose as a trade....
    Sorry about the injury, sanding sounds like a good idea...
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    Not trying to talk you out of the sweet deal I just offered you, but standard wrenches fit that headset as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicaLad View Post
    I got dumped, most unceremoniously, while mashing up a hill and the bars simply slipped around. I have 3 broken ribs and an AC-shoulder separation from that moment. Moreover, Id made a point to tighten that bolt before the ride, as Id been eyeing it as a potential problem point.
    Hi 0wen-

    I don't have answers to your questions but wish you a speedy recovery. Crashing due to vintage bike failure weighs more and more heavily on my mind as time goes by...

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    Mostly I worry about crashing due to vintage rider failure.

    This came as a complete surprise!

    But it is the design question that keeps nagging at me. This approach cannot have lasted long. . . did it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicaLad View Post
    But it is the design question that keeps nagging at me. This approach cannot have lasted long. . . did it?
    The bars that clamped onto the brazed-in "nub" (like you have) came on the early bikes ('81 and earlier) and on some of the higher-end bikes through 1983. It's a slightly lighter set-up since there is no quill.

    I've not had any issues with my bars slipping after tightening the bolt to a "reasonable" tightness (same force that I'd apply to any standard bolt on a stem). You may want to check to see if the threads are stripped not allowing you to tighten the bolt. Or perhaps the brazed-in nub is damaged or slightly under-sized.

    I don't do crazy rides on the old bikes, but I've ridden them off-road and raced them a couple of times at Keyesville with no issue.
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    Apologies for the completely off topic question but what type of Leicas do you have?

    I have a small collection, M3, IIIc etc. Used to have some pretty rare stuff but I sold most of it on some time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicaLad View Post
    Ill also point out that a proper adjustment of the headset requires you to remove the bars. The specialized wrenches for this headset cannot get past the broad base of the bars. I find that annoying, as well.
    That headset design is newer than the bike, so blame the wrenches not fitting on Shimano not on Ritchey. Also as Z-Man said, standard 1-inch wrenches work just fine.
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    I thought my '81 was different, but among my very few photos of it I can see that it was similar. I never had a problem. This occurred waaaay too easily, so something is clearly amiss.

    I also fear discovering it an unobtanium thread and head size. The seat post bolt on my '80 road Ritchey is also totally unobtanium. I treat it very, very, very carefully. I was unsuspecting on this one -- or insufficiently suspecting, to be more precise.

    Oh, and I was actually on pavement when this occurred. Even less reason for it to have turned loose, not to mention a harder surface to be slammed onto.

    I am one sore dude, and very annoyed.

    Ah, well. Battle scars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightshade_rider View Post
    Hi 0wen-

    I don't have answers to your questions but wish you a speedy recovery. Crashing due to vintage bike failure weighs more and more heavily on my mind as time goes by...

    -Brian
    You will have plenty of time next weekend to contemplate this as you descend into Castle Creek off the back side of Pearl Pass. As the Witz said, "Rocks! Biiig Rocks!"

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