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    Quote Originally Posted by ckevlar
    Nice bike Mike. Love it when you see a fb frame and the original purchaser splurged for the fb stem too. Great color.
    Thanks ckevlar, I really like the color a lot! I recently got this bike from a 20-something guy who was the 2nd owner who never rode it and I have a feeling that the original owner who was his friend's dad, just went out and bought a good bike and went for the custom fillet brazed stem for comfort purposes (which really works for me!) and then he leaned this bike against the wall of his garage for 19 years and never really rode it judging by the brake pads and tires and then the neighbor's kid wound up with it and in turn sold it to fund a modern full suspension rig...So I feel like I got a good deal considering I would not have appreciated this bike back in 1987, as I was ONLY into Fat Chances and have since broadened my bicycle horizons a bit...I've now satisfied my fillet brazed craving
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Why no newer pics?

    No reason other than Iaziness. I'll try to get some new pics together soon with better detail.


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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    oooohh... nice silver ritchey. wonderfull. is it light? i see the tubing sticker: 4130 and it looks generic BUT it's a ritchey so there was someone paying attention.
    colker1 - Thanks, it is actually pretty light for a 20 year old bike. I don't know what the tubing is - I'd have to look at the old catalogs that are on-line but it rides very nicely, it's stiff and quick and reminds me of a road bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    colker1 - Thanks, it is actually pretty light for a 20 year old bike. I don't know what the tubing is - I'd have to look at the old catalogs that are on-line but it rides very nicely, it's stiff and quick and reminds me of a road bike.
    sounds delicious. i have a wcs ritchey/nitto gold quill stem and it has the prettiest welds i have ever seen this side of a tig stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    I was just waiting for the proper way to post this sweet 1987 Timber Comp that I recently picked up and then this amazing thread popped up:
    Great looking bike Mike!

    Bonus for the matching fb stem that (looks?) close to the spec you like.
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    hmmm.. you know mike, a midge bar would create an interesting cockpit on your ritchey. that stem has the perfect reach.
    worth a try.
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    Yep, thats a beauty and in such great shape. I was eyeing that one too. That stem is normally seen on a Super Comp, so that was an upgrade. Super nice. It looked a little more champagney in the ebay pics.

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    This group of Ritchey riders must all be the same height?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    This group of Ritchey riders must all be the same height?

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    i just fell out of my chair...

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    Nice shot FB the problem with Ritcheys is once you get one you want more
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    This group of Ritchey riders must all be the same height?
    Pretty old pic eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Pretty old pic eh?

    yep, a few years old.

    Hollister, a few miles south of you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb11
    Nice shot FB the problem with Ritcheys is once you get one you want more
    uh oh. i better not get one.. like i need another bike addiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    This group of Ritchey riders must all be the same height?

    nice group shot! We need to see more like that. I know its a pain in the ass to get all those bikes out and put them back.

    Those look to be about 19's too

    No wonder I haven't seen any 19 inch Ritchey's floating around for sale these days

    Between you and Rumpfy jeez.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    I was just waiting for the proper way to post this sweet 1987 Timber Comp that I recently picked up and then this amazing thread popped up:

    Holy S*%T! They're coming out of the wood work now
    Nice Bike!! I love the black cranks and the RM-20 I taco'd mine years ago but they sure look cool. strong too.

    We all need to get together and do a group thing on anodizing soon....

    I need some cranks like that on my SC. I was kinda bummed when they didn't shipped my bike with black cranks but after waiting for close to a year

    At that point I didn't care anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckevlar
    Here is my Skyliner. I loved crconsulting's paint on his sc. I was going to get one of my team 23 painted like it then this fell in my lap for an awesome price. Full xt with king hus and hs. Presumably one of the last built. Before it I had never see a ritchey with an oversized headset. Seems locical for a tandem. No pun intended. Its also built with logic tubing versus straight prestige. Wish it had fb stem. Some day I'm gunna get a custom threadless fb bullmoose built for it.

    That was a score for sure! Paint's pretty too. Man it looks brand new I think I saw that bike come up.

    Man, I would love to get a tandem but my wife is already scared to drive with me. When we were first dating I thought she had Tourette Syndrome with all the outbursts and muscle twitching. Every time we went somewhere she'd start up. I finally realized it was my driving.

    I think she'd probably divorce for sure if I got a tandem.

    how do you store that thing? its pretty long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crconsulting
    nice group shot! We need to see more like that. I know its a pain in the ass to get all those bikes out and put them back.

    Those look to be about 19's too

    No wonder I haven't seen any 19 inch Ritchey's floating around for sale these days

    Between you and Rumpfy jeez.....
    Me!? I don't have one either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Me!? I don't have one either.

    now we know why.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Me!? I don't have one either.
    mine will be an 18. you guys can hoarde all the 19in ritcheys and i don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    mine will be an 18. you guys can hoarde all the 19in ritcheys and i don't care.

    living near FB I now wish I took an 18 or 20 incher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    mine will be an 18. you guys can hoarde all the 19in ritcheys and i don't care.

    btw I know just the right grips for that bike too

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    Quote Originally Posted by crconsulting
    btw I know just the right grips for that bike too

    Wrap the handle bars in a couple Monet paintings?
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    I have the 18 inchers
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    Quote Originally Posted by kb11
    I have the 18 inchers
    that statement has a funny ring to it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by crconsulting
    that statement has a funny ring to it.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Wrap the handle bars in a couple Monet paintings?
    i will invest all my money on bmx grips. i am convinced there is nothing wiser as an investment than vrc bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kb11
    I have the 18 inchers
    you know i am your best friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Yep, thats a beauty and in such great shape. I was eyeing that one too. That stem is normally seen on a Super Comp, so that was an upgrade. Super nice. It looked a little more champagney in the ebay pics.
    Thanks, it's a sparkly imron silver color and it's pretty mint except it has a few scratches over the frame that look like something like a step-ladder or lawn chair rubbed against it in a garage over the years, they're not scrateches that are consistent with mountain biking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Great looking bike Mike!

    Bonus for the matching fb stem that (looks?) close to the spec you like.
    Thanks Rumpfy! Yes, the stem was a major selling point as the frame seems small but this one fits me quite well, I could probably use wider bars but don't know what would keep the bike period correct?

    ...Now let's get down to business, What do you think of the seat? I think it may not be original as it's Lycra, which seems rather 90s to me, but I've kept it on there for now. I have moved it from the goofy forward position that you see in the photos and I've also added a Hite Rite!
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    Seat depends on two things imho. Like grips if its gunna hang on a wall make it period correct. If your going to ride it make comfortable regardless of vintage. Or at least take shots of it with the vintage crap them switch it over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crconsulting
    Holy S*%T! They're coming out of the wood work now
    Nice Bike!! I love the black cranks and the RM-20 I taco'd mine years ago but they sure look cool. strong too.

    We all need to get together and do a group thing on anodizing soon....

    I need some cranks like that on my SC. I was kinda bummed when they didn't shipped my bike with black cranks but after waiting for close to a year

    At that point I didn't care anymore.
    I like the black parts but I'm bummed that they didn't go with all black Magura Levers and black hubs on this one, that would've been very stealthy!

    I'm surprised no one has commented on the High Zoot BioPace rings on this rig
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    BTW theres too much talk here we need mor ritchey pics!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckevlar
    Seat depends on two things imho. Like grips if its gunna hang on a wall make it period correct. If your going to ride it make comfortable regardless of vintage. Or at least take shots of it with the vintage crap them switch it over.
    Dang, why didn't I ever think of that before

    You're right! I should've originally taken photos of all of my bikes with an old brutal on my backside period correct saddle and not the modern prostate saver ones that I have on some of my bikes and RUMPfy never would've razzed me about my lame seats!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    pic!!

    Here she is.

    (Should) be an 85 TimberWolf. Stem and bars by Steve Potts.
    This guy is last in line in the restoration line up.





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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    i will invest all my money on bmx grips. i am convinced there is nothing wiser as an investment than vrc bikes.
    Its about time you came to your senses.

    Now we're talkin'!
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    Rumpfy,

    That's a sweet 1985 bike! Did you get the stem and bars from Steve Potts or off someone's bike?
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    I like it. Looks like a comfortable rider. Just needs a rack and a beer cooler strapped to it.

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    Ghetto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Rumpfy,

    That's a sweet 1985 bike! Did you get the stem and bars from Steve Potts or off someone's bike?

    The bars and stem....ah, kind of a long, not so interesting story.
    But basically from a guy I'd bought a bunch of parts from.
    (and no, the rest of the Potts they came from is not attainable)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    (and no, the rest of the Potts they came from is not attainable)
    It may be. Im sorta working on it, but its not looking good.

    And where is the picture of this Ritchey everybody's talking about??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckevlar
    I like it. Looks like a comfortable rider. Just needs a rack and a beer cooler strapped to it.

    Not really sure if I'll like the end product.

    Should be mostly M700 XT.

    I'd rather a P-23 to ride.



    And yeah...kinda ghetto.
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    Gracias, mi amigo

    Quote Originally Posted by crconsulting
    nice group shot! We need to see more like that. I know its a pain in the ass to get all those bikes out and put them back.

    Those look to be about 19's too

    No wonder I haven't seen any 19 inch Ritchey's floating around for sale these days

    Between you and Rumpfy jeez.....

    There are some 19s and 20s in there too depending on the age. And my oldest Ritchey is a 22"! Too big, but way too cool to kick out of bed. And plus, I am an equal opportunity employer.

    Yeah its a pain to get them all out, but every once in a while I gotta clean the garage out a bit (and take a little inventory).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    It may be. Im sorta working on it, but its not looking good.

    And where is the picture of this Ritchey everybody's talking about??

    Well I wasn't going to say anything about that.

    I think the pics above were the ones they were waiting for. I'm sure they're all quite let down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Well I wasn't going to say anything about that.

    I think the pics above were the ones they were waiting for. I'm sure they're all quite let down.

    about the blue one? Its been so long I think I forgot the exact sichyouashin.

    Ah, found it. Cousins on a Ritchey violate some sort of VRC code Im pretty sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    about the blue one? Its been so long I think I forgot the exact sichyouashin.

    Ah, found it. Cousins on a Ritchey violate some sort of VRC code Im pretty sure.

    I bought them...had to put them on something. Tan walls are so hard to come by.
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    sneek peek of a winter project.... uupps....wrong thread...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    I like the black parts but I'm bummed that they didn't go with all black Magura Levers and black hubs on this one, that would've been very stealthy!

    I'm surprised no one has commented on the High Zoot BioPace rings on this rig
    i noticed but i thought i was hallucinating...
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    My Offer

    There is more from MWC if Eric and Nate will chime in....
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    Sharky! Youre making me nervous. What are you doing to that incredible piece of history??

    You really scored huge on that one. Im jealous. I'd like to hear SeeKay's thoughts on this one (although I think it was slightly after his time).

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    FB, check your email. Just sent one out to you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Here she is.

    (Should) be an 85 TimberWolf. Stem and bars by Steve Potts.
    This guy is last in line in the restoration line up.
    hmmm, we need to talk.
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    very cool thread. takes me back about 20 years when i first started riding. a friend of mine got a used but not all that old Ritchey Timber Comp with camo paint, black ano'd parts, yellow bullmoose that had a Indian head nickle as the stem cap. was super slick. i had a c-dale sm700, that was slick too. hehe

    last talked to this guy about 8-9 years ago and he still had the frame, but it was just hanging in his garage. i tried to talk him into letting me take it off his hands, but he was keeping it for sentimental value. so if you see one for sale in the salinas area by a guy name robert or bobby, that's the one.
    will you rep me?

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    Whats the deal with the fisher competition? Did it predate the anipurna?

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    88 Timber Comp

    Just finished this build last weekend. I took these pics this afternoon and then took the bike out for the maiden voyage on dirt. Man, this thing is seriously stable. I found myself counter steering in the corners, even at slow speeds.

    Another observation: these weren't meant to do wheelies. I think I almost put my back out trying to lift the front end up.

    Full M730 build with several NOS or mint parts.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Upchuck
    Just finished this build last weekend. I took these pics this afternoon and then took the bike out for the maiden voyage on dirt. Man, this thing is seriously stable. I found myself counter steering in the corners, even at slow speeds.

    Another observation: these weren't meant to do wheelies. I think I almost put my back out trying to lift the front end up.

    Full M730 build with several NOS or mint parts.
    Beautiful!

    So clean...then you went out and rode it. Thats awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Beautiful!

    So clean...then you went out and rode it. Thats awesome.

    nice work, chucky. The bikes were a bit longer then making wheelies and quick steering a bit harder. But get them up to speed on the rough stuff (or smooth) and they come to life and feel right.

    Im not sure I know what you mean by having to countersteer?

    Pretty bike. Lets see some dirty pics now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckevlar
    Whats the deal with the fisher competition? Did it predate the anipurna?

    its kind of a long story and I dont know if I should be the one to tell it. This one was made by Tom for the 83 Interbike/trade show. Tom showed up to the show and was surprised to see these odd new Fisher decals replacing his that had always been on his frames. This bike represents sort of the end of the Fisher/Ritchey business. SeeKay supposedly had already saw the writing on the wall and abandoned ship. SeeKay can correct me if Im wrong...

    And yes, this was an Annapurna before the model name existed. Well, it has the fake lugs anyway...

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    would be my guess

    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Im not sure I know what you mean by having to countersteer?
    motorcycle term for initiating a turn by turning the bars in the other direction to lean the bike over.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    nice work, chucky. The bikes were a bit longer then making wheelies and quick steering a bit harder. But get them up to speed on the rough stuff (or smooth) and they come to life and feel right.

    Im not sure I know what you mean by having to countersteer?

    Pretty bike. Lets see some dirty pics now.
    Ever ride a motorcycle? If so, you "countersteered" to turn the bike. If you tried to lean the motorcycle into the turn, you would feel the bike resist the lean. To initiate a turn, you gently push the left grip forward and the bike will lean to the left.

    Without realizing it, this is the same way you steer a road bike at speed. You also do this on a mountain bike, but it's more subtle so the wheels don't break loose in the dirt.

    I actually had to consciously countersteer to round the corners on the Ritchey. Just a little weird to me.

    I'd take those dirty pics, but it's started to rain pretty hard now and the bike would be really dirty. And I hear the moderator doesn't like things to get too dirty in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    i noticed but i thought i was hallucinating...
    I'm trying to keep this Ritchey period correct BUT if the BioPace rings feel weird when I ride it, I may take them off and substitute them with something more conventional like ROUND ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upchuck
    Ever ride a motorcycle? If so, you "countersteered" to turn the bike. If you tried to lean the motorcycle into the turn, you would feel the bike resist the lean. To initiate a turn, you gently push the left grip forward and the bike will lean to the left.

    Without realizing it, this is the same way you steer a road bike at speed. You also do this on a mountain bike, but it's more subtle so the wheels don't break loose in the dirt.

    I actually had to consciously countersteer to round the corners on the Ritchey. Just a little weird to me.

    I'd take those dirty pics, but it's started to rain pretty hard now and the bike would be really dirty. And I hear the moderator doesn't like things to get too dirty in here.

    oh yeah, well they say any two wheeled vehicle requires that but Ive never really noticed it even when I try to... Lots of time spent on motorcycles too.. I thought maybe you meant countersteering like a dirttracker.

    Maybe the 69 head angle makes it more of a noticable effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Upchuck
    Just finished this build last weekend. I took these pics this afternoon and then took the bike out for the maiden voyage on dirt. Man, this thing is seriously stable. I found myself counter steering in the corners, even at slow speeds.

    Another observation: these weren't meant to do wheelies. I think I almost put my back out trying to lift the front end up.

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    Thanks Mikey. I just got a NOS M730 FD in the post today. Now all I need is a NOS M730 RD and the groupo will be mint.
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    man those are some beautiful bikes. i dont want to know how much $ is invested and i'd be scared to even ride one.
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    Ok, enough talk, more Ritchey pics

    Heres a '89 Ultra that Sky rescued from the playa and I rescued it from his van

    Its buried in there somwhere


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    ...and next we have...

    the predecessor to the 1990 P-23. This is the Super Comp which won the unofficial world championships under Don Myrah in 1989. This thing rides good. Stem is 150mm, but the bars have a lot of sweep. This should have an FB stem I think and the earlier SCs had a FB bullmoose.

    Nice and lively:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    the predecessor to the 1990 P-23. This is the Super Comp which won the unofficial world championships under Don Myrah in 1989. This thing rides good. Stem is 150mm, but the bars have a lot of sweep. This should have an FB stem I think and the earlier SCs had a FB bullmoose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    What, no drive side shots? Rookie.
    I liked it better when it read "dive side shots".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upchuck
    I liked it better when it read "dive side shots".
    I type fast. Lucky we have the edit feature.
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    Nice SuperComp FB Maybe some day I'll own one For now I have to settle for a Ultra, the poor mans SuperComp. Same Frame tubes/angles but tig'd. Here's a '89 Ultra that I restored and sold last year as it was alittle too big. Had to get it repainted because my sunglasses weren't dark enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    the predecessor to the 1990 P-23. This is the Super Comp which won the unofficial world championships under Don Myrah in 1989. This thing rides good. Stem is 150mm, but the bars have a lot of sweep. This should have an FB stem I think and the earlier SCs had a FB bullmoose.

    Nice and lively
    Hey Fillet-Brazed:
    What are the basic differences between that SuperComp with the Prestige decals and my 1987 TimberComp that has the Fillet Brazed stem and "Ritchey" tubing decals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Hey Fillet-Brazed:
    What are the basic differences between that SuperComp with the Prestige decals and my 1987 TimberComp that has the Fillet Brazed stem and "Ritchey" tubing decals?
    Tubeset: The Super Comp uses lighter Prestige tubing, versus butted 4130.

    Chainstay length: Super Comp is 16.9", versus 17.25".

    Seat tube angle: Super Comp is 74 degress, versus 73 degrees.

    Head tube angle: Super Comp was available with either a 69 or 70 degree, versus 69.5 degrees.

    Seat cluster: Super Comp had more extensive detail work at the seat cluster (peaked lug), white the Timber Comp had a simpler lug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    Tubeset: The Super Comp uses lighter Prestige tubing, versus butted 4130.

    Chainstay length: Super Comp is 16.9", versus 17.25".

    Seat tube angle: Super Comp is 74 degress, versus 73 degrees.

    Head tube angle: Super Comp was available with either a 69 or 70 degree, versus 69.5 degrees.

    Seat cluster: Super Comp had more extensive detail work at the seat cluster (peaked lug), white the Timber Comp had a simpler lug.
    That info is from the '88 catalog. There might have been a slight difference in angles and stay length from '87 to '88, but that's the differences between the models would be similar.

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    Heres my '88 TimberComp with Prestige tubing

    FB view


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    Hey Fillet-Brazed:
    What are the basic differences between that SuperComp with the Prestige decals and my 1987 TimberComp that has the Fillet Brazed stem and "Ritchey" tubing decals?

    to put it in "Fat Chance" terms it'd maybe be similar in comparing a Wicked to a Team Comp - lighter frame tubing, more attention to detail on frame construction, top of the line parts, more expensive paint job, race geometry.

    Like Laffeaux said, the easiest way to tell a B frame (Timber Comp) from a C frame (Team Comp, Super Comp) is to look at the seat cluster area. Tom kinda did a faux lug and a scalloped job there as you can see in one of the pics I posted. Some say the fillets are a little nicer on a C frame but man, theyre both pretty darn nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Like Laffeaux said, the easiest way to tell a B frame (Timber Comp) from a C frame (Team Comp, Super Comp) is to look at the seat cluster area. Tom kinda did a faux lug and a scalloped job there as you can see in one of the pics I posted. Some say the fillets are a little nicer on a C frame but man, theyre both pretty darn nice.
    Sorry for the crappy pic, but here's a close up on the scalloped design. This was used on the higher end "C" frames.

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    I remember in the early days of submitting bikes onto oldmountainbikes.com that it was a bit foggy as to how a Team Comp differed from a Timber Comp...


    In fact I think my Team Comp is still listed as a Timber Comp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    In fact I think my Team Comp is still listed as a Timber Comp.
    Not any more.
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    Timber Comp VS. Super Comp Answers...Thank you!

    Hey Guys,

    THANKS! I totally get it now...I especially liked the "Fat Chance Terms"
    I did notice that my seat cluster does NOT have the nice scalloped point and I now also understand the difference in tubing and angles...I just didn't know but now I do!

    FYI-My TimberComp is pretty light so the SuperComp must be SUPER light!

    On another note, I need a wider handlebar for my Timber Comp and I want to keep it period correct and black in color, does anyone have any suggestions? My current bar is like 23" wide and I need at least a 26" for my ape like arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    On another note, I need a wider handlebar for my Timber Comp and I want to keep it period correct and black in color, does anyone have any suggestions? My current bar is like 23" wide and I need at least a 26" for my ape like arms.
    The bullmoose bars on my Team Comp where super narrow - so much so that I couldn't ride with them. I sent them to Mark Nobilette and he extended them to about 26". The handlebars bars are pretty thick, and fashoned an insert that connects the extention to the bar, and brazed them together. I'm much happier now.

    Other than being super wide bullmoose bars, there's no way that you'd notice the modification unless you look inside the handlebar tube.

    I'm sure that other builders could do similar work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    The bullmoose bars on my Team Comp where super narrow - so much so that I couldn't ride with them. I sent them to Mark Nobilette and he extended them to about 26". The handlebars bars are pretty thick, and fashoned an insert that connects the extention to the bar, and brazed them together. I'm much happier now.

    Other than being super wide bullmoose bars, there's no way that you'd notice the modification unless you look inside the handlebar tube.

    I'm sure that other builders could do similar work.
    That's a pretty hard-core modification! I just need a wider 1987 vintage bar, I could probably have one custom made for less $ than that must've cost, no? If I had Fillet Brazed Bull Moose bars I'd definitely consider that apporach, but I've just got a flat bar. I'll have to look on OldMountainBikes.com to see what the stock bar for that bike is since it has no markings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    That's a pretty hard-core modification! I just need a wider 1987 vintage bar, I could probably have one custom made for less $ than that must've cost, no? If I had Fillet Brazed Bull Moose bars I'd definitely consider that apporach, but I've just got a flat bar. I'll have to look on OldMountainBikes.com to see what the stock bar for that bike is since it has no markings.
    I have a bunch of old, clean bars, but I don't know how wide. 26 inches was pretty wide in 1987. One day you will need to swing by and check out the hoard, and see if there is a bar you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    I have a bunch of old, clean bars, but I don't know how wide. 26 inches was pretty wide in 1987. One day you will need to swing by and check out the hoard, and see if there is a bar you want.
    Thanks man that would awesome! I had some pretty wide bars back then but I think 24" was considered wide and then people started to cut them down to 21"-22" so anything that you have that's wider then 23" and has somewhat of a bend/sweep to it would be good! I can't tell if these Ritchey Bars were cut or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatmikeynyc
    That's a pretty hard-core modification! I just need a wider 1987 vintage bar, I could probably have one custom made for less $ than that must've cost, no? If I had Fillet Brazed Bull Moose bars I'd definitely consider that apporach, but I've just got a flat bar. I'll have to look on OldMountainBikes.com to see what the stock bar for that bike is since it has no markings.
    Yeah, that would be overkill for a flat bar (and likely not possible). The bars that I did that for were fillet brazed bullmoose bars. They also used a double expander bolt instead of a quill, so the chances of finding another bar was somwhere really close to zero.

    Speaking of the double expander bolt bars... that's another difference between the models. The "C" frames came with the different bullmoose setup, while the others all used a standard quill. I'm not sure what the advantages were supposed to be - it seems like it would be heavier.
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    Here is my 1982 Ritchey (fork not original). I'll post some more once I get all the old parts back on it.




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    that looks pretty d@mn nice in white.

    where did you get the decals?
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    What's the searial number on that one? It's an odd frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    What's the searial number on that one? It's an odd frame.
    Serial Number = 182

    What's odd about the frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by talega
    Serial Number = 182

    What's odd about the frame?

    Some of these guys really, really know their Ritchey's and are great about identifying year and model...which they haven't yet.

    Could be a transitional/mid year model change or a custom built bike.
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    The location of the fdr braze-ons, the hole in the fork crown, the top of the seat tube and lack of wb braze-on on down tube.

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    [QUOTE=talega]Serial Number = 182

    Are there any letters befor the serial # like and R or a B ?
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    I'm the original owner. Got it directly through MountainBikes in Fairfax. Here is a picture of the front-end from back in '82:



    As stated in the original post, the forks are not original. The serial number doesn't have any letters before/after the number.

    Here's a picture off First Flight showing similar seat binder groove:



    If I recall correctly, it may have been a mid-year model 81/82. The frame was custom made in a smaller size than what they were normally selling at the time.

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    Cool, and the road style rear cable hanger shows in that pic also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talega
    What's odd about the frame?
    I guess there's just a lot of variations in the early frames...

    The top of the seat tube is common on early frames, but the brake cable stops look newer. Also it has older style chain stays and vertical dropouts, which I thought were later, but were likey an option from early on. At first glance it looks like a TimberComp, but the details are different. I've not seen the combination of features that your bike has before.

    Is the original fork gone? Having that would be really nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    I guess there's just a lot of variations in the early frames...

    The top of the seat tube is common on early frames, but the brake cable stops look newer. Also it has older style chain stays and vertical dropouts, which I thought were later, but were likey an option from early on. At first glance it looks like a TimberComp, but the details are different. I've not seen the combination of features that your bike has before.

    Is the original fork gone? Having that would be really nice.
    Unfortunately the original fork is long gone. I went to the unicrown thinking it was an upgrade in the late 80's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talega
    I'm the original owner. Got it directly through MountainBikes in Fairfax. Here is a picture of the front-end from back in '82:




    If I recall correctly, it may have been a mid-year model 81/82. The frame was custom made in a smaller size than what they were normally selling at the time.

    Cool bike. I like those old photos that show bike details from back in the day - there's not too many of those around.

    I like the build too, did MountainBikes build it for you or did you just buy it as a frameset?

    Ive got an 81 or 82 with vertical dropouts too, but its got the scalloped seat collar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Cool bike. I like those old photos that show bike details from back in the day - there's not too many of those around.

    I like the build too, did MountainBikes build it for you or did you just buy it as a frameset?

    Ive got an 81 or 82 with vertical dropouts too, but its got the scalloped seat collar.
    I got the complete bike through MountainBikes. Unfortunately, I've lost some of the original parts along the way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Ive got an 81 or 82 with vertical dropouts too, but its got the scalloped seat collar.
    scalloped collar, horizontal drops(campy), no "lug"on seat tube. approx what year?
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