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    Official Salsa Thread (All Things Moto!)

    An over due thread.

    Post up pictures of your Salsa and/or cool Salsa parts!

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    My 86 fillet brazed Salsa Scoboni, built to OldManRiding's spec back in the day. An absolute joy to ride.





    91 Salsa Ala Carte I built as an SS cruiser for the wife. It actually has a proper Bontrager Comp fork on it now...need to get updated pics.

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    still looking for frame to call my own

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    mine

    . . . fillet brazed Salsa Scoboni
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    Dirt Drop Ala Carte




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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    . . . fillet brazed Salsa Scoboni

    Thats a beauty.

    Here's one I had that got sent off to a loving home at Monkey Wrench Cycles. I had it built with drop bars at one point but no pics:

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    93 Salsa


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    any of you guys see that fillet brazed 91 that was just clear coated on the bay about 3 years ago? (ok, a long time I know!)

    My personal Salsa obsession stems from a UK rider called Jason MCroy who rode a jellybean a la carte in around '93 ish I guess, right when i was getting into Mountain Bikes, It goes so far as having a '90 a la carte, a couple of mugs, as many spare salsa branded parts as i can find and at least a salsa sticker, if not more salsa components, on every bike I own... (used to have an el kaboing frameset too, but it was too big to justify keeping).

    I think they appeal to me because whilst Ibis/Fat etc etc made similarly nice frames, Salsa always had that air of eccentricity, or perversity if you like, that will always make them special.

    ill post pics if I can find them!

    (oh, and DoubleCentury, looks like your a la carte may fit me, just in case you need to find it a new home at any point!)

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    Here's a few...

    Got this one new in '85. It used to be a metallic charcoal. Was repainted when the down tube was replaced a year later.





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    This one recently passed through my hands and is now on its way back to its second owner. I used to ride with the original owner back when it was new in the mid 80's.


    A few bars and stems.


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    Was almost mine but had to pass on it...Can I still post the pics?
    1982 Scoboni (believed to be #6)



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    greaaat thread. i always look for old salsas... very hard to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upchuck
    Was almost mine but had to pass on it...
    almost? What percentage of his asking price were you willing to plunk down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Upchuck
    Was almost mine but had to pass on it...Can I still post the pics?
    1982 Scoboni (believed to be #6)

    PURE CLASS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    almost? What percentage of his asking price were you willing to plunk down?
    Actually, you'd be surprised to know how much he was willing to negotiate. In the end though, I wasn't willing to pay that much for a garage queen. The temptation to ride it would be too great. Probably the hardest bike related purchase I've ever let go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upchuck
    Actually, you'd be surprised to know how much he was willing to negotiate.
    not when i tried
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    Quote Originally Posted by Upchuck
    Actually, you'd be surprised to know how much he was willing to negotiate. In the end though, I wasn't willing to pay that much for a garage queen. The temptation to ride it would be too great. Probably the hardest bike related purchase I've ever let go.

    yeah, I remember he came down quite a bit (half or so?) from his first price, but even that was fairly outrageous. Maybe he came down yet again?

    But I agree, I like them to have a bit of a patina and another thing I personally didnt like is that it was a restoration and not original... Beautiful bike though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    yeah, I remember he came down quite a bit (half or so?) from his first price, but even that was fairly outrageous. Maybe he came down yet again?

    But I agree, I like them to have a bit of a patina and another thing I personally didnt like is that it was a restoration and not original... Beautiful bike though.
    Yeah, it was a little lower than half. But still, I just couldn't see myself recovering from buyer's remorse.

    He claimed it was restored by Ross himself. Not sure if that counts for anything with the original condition crowd.
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    SSMike, I reckon your wifes rider is the best colour Salsa ever.

    oh, and who is 'he'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theboy
    oh, and who is 'he'?
    The original owner is a Cowboy Boot salesman and the second owner is my wife. She so misses that bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theboy
    SSMike, I reckon your wifes rider is the best colour Salsa ever.

    oh, and who is 'he'?
    Thanks! She picked the colors and Cyclart painted it. Cowboy boot salesman - almost forgot that. I just remember sitting in the bar across the street from the shop drinking beer with him and marveling that we were drinking 1:1 (my one pint to his one pitcher!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
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    Mike,
    I would like to applaud you for leaving that WTB Rollercam on the wifes bike. I think most guys would have switched it to their bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Here's a few...

    This one recently passed through my hands and is now on its way back to its second owner. I used to ride with the original owner back when it was new in the mid 80's.

    Jill has it again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Jill has it again?

    Jill wasn't the original owner.



    It was Jill's cousin's brother's fiances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob M.
    Mike,
    I would like to applaud you for leaving that WTB Rollercam on the wifes bike. I think most guys would have switched it to their bike.
    Don't think I've thought about it more that once or twenty times The fact is is that her brakes work so well now that I'm scared to change. I've got the Suntour working pretty good on mine and I've got a secret stash of...well, let's not get into that in the Salsa thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Jill has it again?
    RobM's wife is the second owner. It'll be back under her..., back in her hands soon.

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    I never was really a Salsa fan, but after looking at this thread, WHAT WAS I THINKING. I guess it is not too late. Looking for one of those Salsa roller stems though.
    blah, blah, blah..........

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    I like Rumphy's paint, and the Turbo!

    Nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Jill wasn't the original owner.



    It was Jill's cousin's brother's fiances.
    I know she wasn't the original owner....Mike said second owner....but apparently she's not that either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    RobM's wife is the second owner. It'll be back under her..., back in her hands soon.
    Nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDXdog
    I like Rumphy's paint, and the Turbo!

    Nice!

    Hey thanks man!


    I'm only luke warm on the paint and was considering painting it for a while...but the Bullseye wheelset matches and I really didn't want to erase the original patina.
    There are a couple good size dings in the top tube too.
    Saddle thanks to Bushpig. I've recently rediscovered them as a very comfy saddle.
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    I hope this is not an obvious answer that i should know but, who is this rider? If I'm not mistaken he does many of the test rides for MBA mag?
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    94 A La Carte. One owner. Waiting to be reborn. Thinking about a repaint. It is metallic clear coat, there are some spidery rust spots starting to develop under the clear. I love the way you can see the brass where the cable guides, bottle bosses and dropouts are brazed in. I need to find a fork for it. When I bought it I put a Manitou 3 on it, and debated getting the rigid Ritchey fork from Salsa as an option/backup. Kicking myself now for not ordering it. Here it is:
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    Here's my '89 Ala Carte, #SM317 Roadkill









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    Quote Originally Posted by kpomtb
    94 A La Carte. One owner. Waiting to be reborn. Thinking about a repaint. It is metallic clear coat, there are some spidery rust spots starting to develop under the clear. I love the way you can see the brass where the cable guides, bottle bosses and dropouts are brazed in. I need to find a fork for it. When I bought it I put a Manitou 3 on it, and debated getting the rigid Ritchey fork from Salsa as an option/backup. Kicking myself now for not ordering it. Here it is:

    Nice. Any close ups of the brass under the clear.

    IMHO, go with a rigid fork if you can.
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    The famed PCC titanium Salsa.





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    ah, yup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    The famed PCC titanium Salsa.
    whats the story there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Nice. Any close ups of the brass under the clear.

    IMHO, go with a rigid fork if you can.

    Yes, I'm looking for a rigid fork. 1" steerer, can be fairly short, I need to measure the steerer on the Manitou.

    Here are some closeups of the dropouts and a couple of the cable guides. The pics would be better in daylight, but they turned out okay.
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    here is my fillet brazed 1984 Salsa, the serial number i believe was something like 36. this is my favorite riding mid 80's bike for XC riding. Ross had great geometry. ahead of his time.

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    <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/vdubbusrider/Salsa/S5.jpg">

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    here is a Salsa fork i have

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    That's a fun bike to ride. Chuck let me take it out for a spin while I was down there. At first the stem freaked me out, but I got used to it within minutes. The dual WTB rollercams about put me over the bars. That's how I know mine aren't set up properly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    whats the story there?
    The story as I know it is that Ross called up Chuck and asked if he would be intrested in a copy of Chuck's custom Salsa but in Ti and built by Merlin. Chuck said sure. Not to many were built. I know of one other. Someone from the board was just talking to me about it just days ago. I worked for Chuck for 10 years and can you believe that I never rode this bike. Mabey I rode it to lunch or somthing but never on a mountain bike ride. Probably because when I rode one of Chuck's bikes I would usually want to buy it afterwards, that's how I bought his Ibis. By the way I hear Chuck is wanting to sell the ti Salsa (Smerlin). I hope this isnt considered spam. I am gaining nothing from it. I had to stop and think about outing this bike. I was sitting here thinking I wonder if Chuck would want to trade for..... Well I don't need another bike right now. So have at it.

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    Salsa Decals

    "Thinking about a repaint. It is metallic clear coat, there are some spidery rust spots starting to develop under the clear."

    "I'm only luke warm on the paint and was considering painting it for a while."

    I was wondering if you guys were planning on a repaint, if you had any knowledge of where to obtain decals for old Salsa, I'd love to hear... I have a La Raza that needs a repaint.

    Beautiful bikes BTW, I can't pick a favorite.

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    Sweet thread. Just dug out the receipt for my Ala Carte, bought it 10 years ago in May.
    I suspect it may be a bit older. S/No SM2281. Anyone got any idea when it was built.
    I still can't believe I paid so much for a frame 10 years ago. The local bike shop owner found me in a cafe one arvo, told me he'd got something in that I'd like. B'stard knew well enough I would, was thinking of ti, but hard to find in NZ at that time.
    If a ti frame was rare, a Salsa was unheard of & I still love riding it. It's semi-retired now, flogged out head tube keeps it to the road now, decked out in a collection of old parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloculture
    here is a Salsa fork i have

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    i am looking for a fork...
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    this is a very similar frame to the one that was on ebay that I really should have bought... its simply delightful isnt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob M.
    By the way I hear Chuck is wanting to sell the ti Salsa (Smerlin)...
    Yeah, he offered it up for sale last June when I was down there.
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    Try Salsa

    I got a set from them back in 02 for a repaint on my Al Carte. The Pepper Man treated me right,
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    Quote Originally Posted by datasurfer
    "Thinking about a repaint. It is metallic clear coat, there are some spidery rust spots starting to develop under the clear."

    "I'm only luke warm on the paint and was considering painting it for a while."

    I was wondering if you guys were planning on a repaint, if you had any knowledge of where to obtain decals for old Salsa, I'd love to hear... I have a La Raza that needs a repaint.

    Beautiful bikes BTW, I can't pick a favorite.

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    Nothing spectacular, but -

    One of the last Ala Cartes to come out of Petaluma. My daily driver geared bike (now with a Fox up front).

    The second one is a Moto with an Accutrax fork and WTB grease guard hubs. Exactly the way I found it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpomtb
    Yes, I'm looking for a rigid fork. 1" steerer, can be fairly short, I need to measure the steerer on the Manitou.

    Here are some closeups of the dropouts and a couple of the cable guides. The pics would be better in daylight, but they turned out okay.
    This frame has the same finish, with pearl clear and visible brazing.


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    now i really want one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob M.
    I know of one other. Someone from the board was just talking to me about it just days ago. I worked for Chuck for 10 years and can you believe that I never rode this bike.
    And that other one just also happens to be my size and I did get to take it on a nice ride on Noble Canyon down in San Diego. That was a great riding bike.

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    I know of a 24" wheeled steel salsa nos in a shop. frame and stem I believe. lmk if anyone wants contact info.

    P/Ms only!!!!

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    A few more items that get daily use. Well, maybe not the beret. I'm not that brave or French Somewhere, a couple of coffee cup manuals are hiding. That was a stroke of marketing madness!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    A few more items that get daily use. Well, maybe not the beret. I'm not that brave or French Somewhere, a couple of coffee cup manuals are hiding. That was a stroke of marketing madness!

    Mike is coming out of the closet as the Salsa Superfan!

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    salsa t shirts are pure class...
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    ok... what about the new ala cartes? "not ross" yadda yadda..ok. but what about the ride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    ok... what about the new ala cartes? "not ross" yadda yadda..ok. but what about the ride?
    They're fine riding bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Mike is coming out of the closet as the Salsa Superfan!
    Got some more too

    A friends' custom and their blue ala Carte.





    Soulcraft brazed by Scoboni as seen at last year's NAHBS





    My blue one when it used to be gray on the lower section of Mammoth's Kamikazee


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    Quote Originally Posted by salsa-luma
    This frame has the same finish, with pearl clear and visible brazing.

    That's a beautiful machine. When I ordered mine in 94, everything everywhere was anodized. I built it up as the anti-ano. All silver and black. I didn't even like the blue on the Manitou 3 that was on it.

    Now seeing yours, I really wish I'd gotten the chiles.

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    Salsa Superfan Mike

    Now we really know what SS stands for!

    That pink and white custom is really beautiful. Love the matching stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Now we really know what SS stands for!

    That pink and white custom is really beautiful. Love the matching stem.

    Yeah, that pink one is impressive. Tell me there is a proper matching fork for it somewhere.
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    Well I do have to say I have always wondered why there was'nt more talk on here about Salsa's. I love mine and my wife is very excited to get her's back (thanks Mike). The shop I worked at sold quite a few Salsa's over the years, and alot of the employees have or still do own them.
    Let me introduce you to Pepperman. I love this little guy. A few years back a young man that worked with Chuck and I was going off to school. He wanted to get us a gift to say thanks for the many years of working together. So he was checking out Ebay and ran across this Pepperman and the seller was Scoboni so he emailed the seller and said. I have a salsa with the name Scoboni on the top tube, would this happen to be Ross? Indeed it was. So Louis explained to Ross that he was moving on and he would like to get Chuck and I a gift and did he have any more. Well long story short Chuck and I each have a Pepperman. They were a prototype for somthing they were thinking of producing. I guess it was going to be like one of those little flexible Gumby's (my name is Gumby dammit). Well he is not flexible but he is cool. Thanks Louis.
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    more of the salsa con ti

    here are some pics taken at Pacific Coast Cycles of the pretty Merlsa or Smerlin or Salserlin or...

    <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/threadedtitanium/?action=view&current=ChucksSalsa.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/threadedtitanium/ChucksSalsa.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    Note the rare and pretty, straight-bladed, Shafer-made, Koski fork:

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpomtb
    That's a beautiful machine. When I ordered mine in 94, everything everywhere was anodized. I built it up as the anti-ano. All silver and black. I didn't even like the blue on the Manitou 3 that was on it.

    Now seeing yours, I really wish I'd gotten the chiles.
    Thanks for the compliment. I owe some credit to Rumphy for his input on the build. Yeah, the only ano would be the Black Salsa fliplock seat collar, skewers, Answer bar ends, Control Tech seat post and sugino ring bolts. I should mention that I am anti colored ano, at least on this ride.
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    Two of my Salsas...






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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed

    Note the rare and pretty, straight-bladed, Shafer-made, Koski fork:

    <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/threadedtitanium/?action=view&current=ChucksSalsa2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/threadedtitanium/ChucksSalsa2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
    as if i wouldn't notice that fork. and the color? lovely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepperman
    Two of my Salsas...


    Beautiful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepperman
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    Very pretty duo!

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    Two jars of Salsa.

    Both early 90`s. The chili paint came original on the mountain also.. I wish I had not repainted it.
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    Classic sticker!

    Got to love this one...


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    Hello there, the picture you used to open this thread is a really cool shot. it was the cover shot on "Action" the issue they "reviewed" the Salsa. My shop set up that bike for the magazine test.

    One thing I remember from that set-up is the hubs. That was the first pair of Nuke Proof hubs ever made, as far as I understood it. I have it on good authority that the folks (folk?) who made the hubs had little to no idea how to make a hub for a bicycle. When the hubs arrived at a certain framebuilder's shop, they were not of correct dimensions to fit with a standard bicycle frame. I do not recall if the framebuilder made parts (axle ends) to make them fit, or if they sent them back to be re-made, but when I recieved the hubs, they could be made into useable wheels. Not to digress from the Salsa thing and turn this into a rant about sub standard hubs, but I never saw a good product from that company. Bad start, to a bad history as a (bad) parts manufacturer.

    As for the "review" of the bike, I thought it was very slanted. That is to say, they had a bias against the bike but found it to be so great that they could only give it a good rerview in spite of that. At "Action", there was a general bias against Northern California frame builders that showed through very clearly in their editorial content. I should own up to my own bias against that mag. I mean come on, you druel (editorially) over Yeti FROs which were very crude bikes that broke; and I mean a huge percentage of them broke, and give lackluster coverage to anything from Cunningham, Salsa, Ibis, Ritchey.

    What I would have liked them to cover in the article on the Salsa would have been that Ross pretty much popularized good mountainbike geometry. Even still, that geometry influences off road bike design. In early experiments done by, Ross and Rock Lobster buddy Paul Sadoff, they determined and published results of stronger lugless tube joining methods. That led to the small "as laid" fillets that Ross used and also to the gussets under the head tube/down tube junction. Even though I am now riding on big wheels, the general aesthetic style that Salsa embodied is still my preference.

    Last year at the Handbuilt Bicycle Show, Ross lectured. I overheard a bit of it and Ross summarized it to a few of us who missed it. He had said that it is the image the framebuilder presents that will sell his or her product (Ross is politically correct, no?). I argued that it was his exceptional attention to detail and overall gift for good design that had made his company marketable. He convinced me that it wasn't. But if you read that next to last sentence, that is what I saw. That is what I sold in my store. That is what I rode. And that is what I still seek from the people who's wares I sell today.

    Ross Shafer and his Salsa company have a rightfully high place in the history of off road bicycles.

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    did someone here snatch a red 94 ala carte? it suddenly "disappeared" from my watch list.


    i blame this thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    did someone here snatch a red 94 ala carte? it suddenly "disappeared" from my watch list.


    i blame this thread!
    there was probably just an "error in the listing"

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    did someone here snatch a red 94 ala carte? it suddenly "disappeared" from my watch list.


    i blame this thread!

    If it's in your ended auctions...then yes.

    If it's no where to be found, eBay pulled it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuey
    Ross Shafer and his Salsa company have a rightfully high place in the history of off road bicycles.
    Thanks for the great story Chuey - very interesting. MBA's hate-on for NorCal was pretty apparent.

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    ... somethin' streetish from a former chief mechanic of da shark at sharistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuey
    Hello there, the picture you used to open this thread is a really cool shot. it was the cover shot on "Action" the issue they "reviewed" the Salsa. My shop set up that bike for the magazine test.

    One thing I remember from that set-up is the hubs. That was the first pair of Nuke Proof hubs ever made, as far as I understood it. I have it on good authority that the folks (folk?) who made the hubs had little to no idea how to make a hub for a bicycle. When the hubs arrived at a certain framebuilder's shop, they were not of correct dimensions to fit with a standard bicycle frame. I do not recall if the framebuilder made parts (axle ends) to make them fit, or if they sent them back to be re-made, but when I recieved the hubs, they could be made into useable wheels. Not to digress from the Salsa thing and turn this into a rant about sub standard hubs, but I never saw a good product from that company. Bad start, to a bad history as a (bad) parts manufacturer.

    As for the "review" of the bike, I thought it was very slanted. That is to say, they had a bias against the bike but found it to be so great that they could only give it a good rerview in spite of that. At "Action", there was a general bias against Northern California frame builders that showed through very clearly in their editorial content. I should own up to my own bias against that mag. I mean come on, you druel (editorially) over Yeti FROs which were very crude bikes that broke; and I mean a huge percentage of them broke, and give lackluster coverage to anything from Cunningham, Salsa, Ibis, Ritchey.

    What I would have liked them to cover in the article on the Salsa would have been that Ross pretty much popularized good mountainbike geometry. Even still, that geometry influences off road bike design. In early experiments done by, Ross and Rock Lobster buddy Paul Sadoff, they determined and published results of stronger lugless tube joining methods. That led to the small "as laid" fillets that Ross used and also to the gussets under the head tube/down tube junction. Even though I am now riding on big wheels, the general aesthetic style that Salsa embodied is still my preference.

    Last year at the Handbuilt Bicycle Show, Ross lectured. I overheard a bit of it and Ross summarized it to a few of us who missed it. He had said that it is the image the framebuilder presents that will sell his or her product (Ross is politically correct, no?). I argued that it was his exceptional attention to detail and overall gift for good design that had made his company marketable. He convinced me that it wasn't. But if you read that next to last sentence, that is what I saw. That is what I sold in my store. That is what I rode. And that is what I still seek from the people who's wares I sell today.

    Ross Shafer and his Salsa company have a rightfully high place in the history of off road bicycles.

    Chuey
    Well said, I have the issue and read the review. Came away with the same Nor Cal bashing feeling from the writers too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floibex
    ... somethin' streetish from a former chief mechanic of da shark at sharistan.

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    What brakes are those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    What brakes are those?
    some type of scissor link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    What brakes are those?

    Those are Delta brakes. (remember that?)


    I think theyre McMahons or Hookers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Those are Delta brakes. (remember that?)


    I think theyre McMahons or Hookers.
    Hey smart guy, looking at the other parts on the bike I have to deduce that they are either Mavic SSC delta-style brakes or American Classics!

    I was thinking hookers but the name escaped me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Hey smart guy, looking at the other parts on the bike I have to deduce that they are either Mavic SSC delta-style brakes or American Classics!

    I was thinking hookers but the name escaped me.
    ... McMahons as far as i remember. pure p0rn, ca. 16.5 lbs

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    Miscellaneous Salsa stems:



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    The actual Scoboni Salsa from the man himself.



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    1990 Salsa



    And yes, we obviously haven't upgraded the pictures on the Salsa page yet!

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    Boy howdy, that thing needs a stem upgrade

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    Hey Rumpfy, that pic is of Eddie Rea who worked for RC. He made lots of Mantis. (oops sorry wrong thread) :]
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    Bicycle Guide October 1991 a la Carte Review

    Boy, this bike sure looks like the MBA test bike - Nuke Proof hubs and all. Looking at the frame and the distinct rasta paint swatches, it does look like the same frame. Every rasta bike had the paint splashes hand painted so I doubt it would be easy to get them in the exact location between two frames.

    Anywho, found this this morning looking for the picture here.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Boy, this bike sure looks like the MBA test bike - Nuke Proof hubs and all. Looking at the frame and the distinct rasta paint swatches, it does look like the same frame. Every rasta bike had the paint splashes hand painted so I doubt it would be easy to get them in the exact location between two frames.

    Anywho, found this this morning looking for [URL="http://blackmountaincycles.blogspot.com/2008/04/theres-new-sheriff-in-town.html"]the

    that was MBA's test bike too I think. Looks like Alexi's bars are loose. I dont recall him riding with his bars set up drooping forward like that...

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    If anybody has good pics of the jellybean paintjob could you post them or email them. I'm thinking about paying homage to Ross when I have Keith Anderson paint a frame I built later this summer.

    Oh and the brakes above are the MRC, the blockyness tells me that. The Hookers were sleeker and silver. Also Mavic never made a "delta" style, hey only used re-branded Modolo single pivots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themanmonkey
    If anybody has good pics of the jellybean paintjob could you post them or email them. I'm thinking about paying homage to Ross when I have Keith Anderson paint a frame I built later this summer.

    Oh and the brakes above are the MRC, the blockyness tells me that. The Hookers were sleeker and silver. Also Mavic never made a "delta" style, hey only used re-branded Modolo single pivots.
    No one paint job was alike. There are a couple of jelly bean rasta paint jobs on retrobike.uk as well as the one in the bike test photos. The paint was really just red, yellow, green paint "splashes" over white powder coat. There's no way to exactly duplicate on of the Salsas. Give Keith the concept and a couple images and have him go at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    No one paint job was alike. There are a couple of jelly bean rasta paint jobs on retrobike.uk as well as the one in the bike test photos. The paint was really just red, yellow, green paint "splashes" over white powder coat.

    I remember seeing one that was actually jellybeans and not just little splashes and swaths of color. The beans were maybe 3/4"x1/4" with a slight curve. They were a stencil I'm sure not free drawn. Unfortunately I'm running on 15 year old memories and you know how accurate those are. There were also quite a few one-off paint jobs at the time too and this may have been one.

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    Questions about my Ala Carte?

    I picked up an Ala Carte frame on Fleabay. According to the old Salsa catalogs it is a 13.5"--so it matches the other munchkin bikes in my stable. I'm trying to figure out what the little threaded donut is in the picture, just below the seat seat collar? I'm guessing it is where a rear cable hanger mount would fasten for a cantilever brake. If so, does anybody have a picture of what attaches here? Maybe it is a built in hite -rite mount?

    SM2015 is the serial number. I was also trying to gauge the correct year with this info, but have come up with no info. I can't really tell if the frame is suspension corrected or not, any ideas?

    Lastly, I can find no leads on Salsa decals from this era. The modern Salsa Bikes company was nice enough to send me out what they do still have, but all that was age appropriate was the "Made in USA" decal on the chainstay. Anyone know of any sources?

    Any help is much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by datasurfer
    I'm trying to figure out what the little threaded donut is in the picture, just below the seat seat collar? I'm guessing it is where a rear cable hanger mount would fasten for a cantilever brake

    Nice score HB one of my favorite nor-cal frames. I believe that's for a Hite-Rite

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    Here is my '94 A La Carte. The donut was to attach the cable housing stop for the cantilever brakes. I'll have to dig up the parts for it to remember what exactly it looks like. I never used a Hite Rite on mine. I bought it new in 94 and the serial number is SM1349.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crconsulting
    I believe that's for a Hite-Rite
    Yeah, for a Hite-Rite, but with that high of a serial number, the frame is probably past the Hite-Rite era. IIRC, it was probably used to bolt on a cable stop so a canti brake could be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Yeah, for a Hite-Rite, but with that high of a serial number, the frame is probably past the Hite-Rite era. IIRC, it was probably used to bolt on a cable stop so a canti brake could be used.

    found a crappy picture of it (the hanger)
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    Quote Originally Posted by crconsulting
    found a crappy picture of it (the hanger)
    Yep, that's it. A Dia-Compe item that would usually hang from a seat QR shaft. But since the seat slot is in front on the Salsa frame...

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