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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    1993 Race Lite. It was originally built with a nice selection of 90's parts...full M737 XT, Bontrager fork, original Bontrager stem and seat post, Syncros cranks, etc, etc. I worked in a bike shop in college and bought all the cool stuff I could afford. I was an idiot and sold off most of that stuff along with 3 more sets of 7spd XT thumbies, a couple sets of barely used XT cranks, a couple sets of XT cantis, a bunch of XT 7spd cassettes, another Race Lite frame, 2 bontrager forks, etc. I sold a big box of killer parts a few years ago when I got out of cycling and focused on family and work. It was the right choice at the time, but I wish I had kept all that stuff! Fortunately I kept this frame and a few parts! The plan is to sell of the newer stuff...mostly M950/952 XTR, Thompson, etc and build it back with early 90's XT/XTR.

    Here it is today:

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    Here are the wheels that are going back on it. Fortunately I kept these! I laced up a set of M737 XT hubs to an original set of Bontrager/Weinmann BXC red and blue dot rims and American Classic old skewers. Still nice and true after all these years.

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    Soooo, I'am curious. I never knew Thomson made a 1" threadless stem. What size/rise is it? Whaddaya want for it? Selling the fork too? Disc tabs? How much? Sweet frame btw. Mines beat to hell! I think mines prettier!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    Soooo, I'am curious. I never knew Thomson made a 1" threadless stem. What size/rise is it? Whaddaya want for it? Selling the fork too? Disc tabs? How much? Sweet frame btw. Mines beat to hell! I think mines prettier!

    Take it off line or to PM's. No 'for sale' spam or propositioning in the forums please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    Soooo, I'am curious. I never knew Thomson made a 1" threadless stem. What size/rise is it? Whaddaya want for it? Selling the fork too? Disc tabs? How much? Sweet frame btw. Mines beat to hell! I think mines prettier!
    Probably using a shim to allow the the 1" steerer to be used with a 1 & 1/8" stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexk
    Probably using a shim to allow the the 1" steerer to be used with a 1 & 1/8" stem.
    You're probably right. Didn't think of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Take it off line or to PM's. No 'for sale' spam or propositioning in the forums please.
    Righto. Sorry for the improper proposition!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    You're probably right. Didn't think of that.
    Yes, using a shim. Hopefully I won't be once I find an old Bontrager stem!

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    The rebuild of my 93 Race lite is nearing completion. Just waiting on a 26.8 seatpost. Is it "acceptable" to use the Marzocchi Bomber? Will probably go back to a Bontrager rigid eventually, but I really like this fork. Not sure of the exact year, but I'm pretty sure it's close to period correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    The rebuild of my 93 Race lite is nearing completion. Just waiting on a 26.8 seatpost. Is it "acceptable" to use the Marzocchi Bomber? Will probably go back to a Bontrager rigid eventually, but I really like this fork. Not sure of the exact year, but I'm pretty sure it's close to period correct?
    I think a Bomber will make that a great ride, and isn't that what it's all about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    The rebuild of my 93 Race lite is nearing completion. Just waiting on a 26.8 seatpost. Is it "acceptable" to use the Marzocchi Bomber? Will probably go back to a Bontrager rigid eventually, but I really like this fork. Not sure of the exact year, but I'm pretty sure it's close to period correct?
    Please post photos when you're done -- I picked up a '93 Race Lite earlier this year (haven't built it up yet, the frame needs some TLC first) and would love to compare notes.

    I use a 1997 Bomber on my Race and it works great. I specifically chose the 1997 year because it "only" has 65mm of travel, which is what the Bontrager frames were designed for. I think 1998 Bombers had 70mm of travel, and after that they moved to 80mm. I'm not 100% positive on that though, I'd have to dig through the old owners manuals to check the specs. But many folks use later-year Bombers on their Bontys, and just set up the fork with a bit more sag to preserve the front-end geometry.

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    Just found this Thread! OMG! Brings back sweet memories, but more importantly can my 1990 frame w/ a cracked seat tube be resurrected? After 10,000 miles of riding it broke in 2000 but I never had the heart to throw the old girl out. Sleeping in the attic w/ the original Rockshox w/ Keith's custom crown. Might have to replace the chainstays too! Rode through alotta wet NE winters. Man that bike went through so many funky parts! Paragon Ti BB, IRDs, Westpines, even had an 8-speed cog cobbled together in 91' (wheel promptly disintegrated on the first big downhill). Stuck with the original fork though. Sorry, sniff, nostalgia is creeping in. Maybe I shoud just stick it over the mantle

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    I'd give Rock Lobster a call: http://www.rocklobstercycles.com/contact.php

    Paul Sadoff acquired much of the left-over tubing from Keith Bontrager when they closed the Santa Cruz shop, and he may still have some original stock to fix your's with. That was a long time ago, so it's a long shot, but it can't hurt to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Anomie-
    I'd give Rock Lobster a call: http://www.rocklobstercycles.com/contact.php

    Paul Sadoff acquired much of the left-over tubing from Keith Bontrager when they closed the Santa Cruz shop, and he may still have some original stock to fix your's with. That was a long time ago, so it's a long shot, but it can't hurt to ask.
    Beat me to it Anomie. I was going to suggest the same thing, I recently purchased one of Paul Sadoff's olld Nontrager frames which was made out of a Bontrager tubed front triangle and a rear end of his own making welded together. I brought it down to his shop to appease his curiosity as he likes to see his ol' handiwork. The first thing he did is look over the the junction where the seattube meets the seatstays and the toptube. In his mind this was an area notorious for failures at least on the Bontrager Race Lite models. Since he had such a good eye for this, seems like he would be the man to fix any failures in this are as well.

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    Another Bontrager

    Any model and date knowledge appreciated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkawasaki
    Any model and date knowledge appreciated...

    Mr K

    Fork is a Tange switchblade, not a bontrager. Looks like there is a headtube relief which would make it a racelite. We would need detail photos to be sure though. From one photo, the wishbone sorta looks privateerish but I think it is just the picture.

    The sticker set is really old, definately from before that frame. I would have loved those on their own.

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    ... no front derailleur pulley, no segemented seatstays as far as I can see -> so 95 or later i assume.

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    Rear brake cable stop on the monostay removed? or was it never there?

    Never there means later Trek made (but would have to be 1 1/8 head tube)


    Need a detail shot of:

    Head Tube front

    Front Der area (to see if it has pulley)

    Rear Seat stays (to see if they are stepped)


    Wasn't there more info on it over on RetroBike? I seem to remember . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Rear brake cable stop on the monostay removed? or was it never there?

    Never there means later Trek made (but would have to be 1 1/8 head tube)


    Need a detail shot of:

    Head Tube front

    Front Der area (to see if it has pulley)

    Rear Seat stays (to see if they are stepped)


    Wasn't there more info on it over on RetroBike? I seem to remember . . .
    The first few years Trek made them with a 1" head tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    The first few years Trek made them with a 1" head tube.
    Yer right.

    96 the Privateer and Privateer S and those were both 1"

    97 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8

    98 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8

    99 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8

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    Front Der cable guide location suggests that it is later one - on Pulley versions the guide was at about 2:00 (looking down at the seat tube with bike pointed in front of you)

    Later bikes at about 5:30-6:00 O'Clock . . .

    From the pics - looks like a 1 1/8" head tube to me.

    Hey MrK . . . . give us a bone here . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Yer right.

    96 the Privateer and Privateer S and those were both 1"

    97 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8

    98 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8

    99 the Privateer Comp, Privateer S and Privateer in 1 1/8
    I own two 97 Privateer S's, the burgundy model with RockShox Indy XC, and they both have a 1" steerer tube. They don't, however, have the canti brake cable hanger on the seat stay. Same with the green Privateer Comp I have of the same year. I'm fairly certain that 98 was the year they went 1 1/8".

    If I could pick, I'd probably want a Privateer from '96, when they still had the canti hanger (I build up one for my cousin Dan) and one of the more recent ones, so I wouldn't have to whine about selection of forks. I've got an Indy XC still on one, the RockShox Judy XC on the Comp, and a Marzocchi MX on the other Privateer S (still in the works).

    I do have an original pre-Trek Bontrager also, I guess it's a Race, with a pulley and horizontal dropouts. It's been powdercoated blue and has reproduction decals. Might sell that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    I own two 97 Privateer S's, the burgundy model with RockShox Indy XC, and they both have a 1" steerer tube. They don't, however, have the canti brake cable hanger on the seat stay. Same with the green Privateer Comp I have of the same year. I'm fairly certain that 98 was the year they went 1 1/8".

    If I could pick, I'd probably want a Privateer from '96, when they still had the canti hanger (I build up one for my cousin Dan) and one of the more recent ones, so I wouldn't have to whine about selection of forks. I've got an Indy XC still on one, the RockShox Judy XC on the Comp, and a Marzocchi MX on the other Privateer S (still in the works).

    I do have an original pre-Trek Bontrager also, I guess it's a Race, with a pulley and horizontal dropouts. It's been powdercoated blue and has reproduction decals. Might sell that one.
    Easy for me to mix up. you are right - typo on my part. 97 = 1".

    Anyway, we need MrK to pipe in and give us more data on what he has.

    edit: found an earlier pic of the bike over on RetroBike
    Does not have the bigger dropouts of the 98,99 trek made ones . . .
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    I like the color and decal combo on the bike.
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    Apologies!

    Sorry bone eaters - I'm travelling at the moment and won't be able to get photos requested until next week. Will do then - promise!

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    vintage bontrager forks

    Have some Bontrager straight blade forks, circa 1988-89. Any idea what these are worth, if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolson6432
    Have some Bontrager straight blade forks, circa 1988-89. Any idea what these are worth, if anything.
    They're absolutely worthless.

    I've sent you a PM.

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    I took a rag and lemon Pledge to the '90 Bonty Race I picked up yesterday, and decided to pose it with the '95 Race and Race Lite I own as the sun was setting today. The shots are pretty contrasty, but these seem to OK enough to post up. I still haven't completed the build of the middle bike (Race); it's been in virtual mock-up for almost 4 years, now!
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    Some Marzocchi fork specs...

    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    Please post photos when you're done -- I picked up a '93 Race Lite earlier this year (haven't built it up yet, the frame needs some TLC first) and would love to compare notes.

    I use a 1997 Bomber on my Race and it works great. I specifically chose the 1997 year because it "only" has 65mm of travel, which is what the Bontrager frames were designed for. I think 1998 Bombers had 70mm of travel, and after that they moved to 80mm. I'm not 100% positive on that though, I'd have to dig through the old owners manuals to check the specs. But many folks use later-year Bombers on their Bontys, and just set up the fork with a bit more sag to preserve the front-end geometry.

    -Jim G
    OK, I dug through the manuals and copied down the specs...

    http://yojimg.net/bike/equipment/forks/

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooderdude
    I took a rag and lemon Pledge to the '90 Bonty Race I picked up yesterday, and decided to pose it with the '95 Race and Race Lite I own as the sun was setting today. The shots are pretty contrasty, but these seem to OK enough to post up. I still haven't completed the build of the middle bike (Race); it's been in virtual mock-up for almost 4 years, now!
    Horn Doggie, I'm sorry, I forget how many nice bikes you have. Thanks for bringing the new steed by for a lookie and little scoot today, it felt great.
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    Here's an update of my 1993 Race Lite I've been rebuilding back to close to original spec. I'm using a newer King headset, Crank Bros pedals, an 8 speed freehub body on a M732 XT rear with XTR cassette and Paul's mounts for Dura Ace 8 speed thumbies. It may go all the way back to "stock", but I was tired of digging for parts. Still needs a final tune, cables trimmed, etc. I know the toptube decal is backwards, but it will stay that way until I find a replacement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    Here's an update of my 1993 Race Lite I've been rebuilding back to close to original spec. I'm using a newer King headset, Crank Bros pedals, an 8 speed freehub body on a M732 XT rear with XTR cassette and Paul's mounts for Dura Ace 8 speed thumbies. It may go all the way back to "stock", but I was tired of digging for parts. Still needs a final tune, cables trimmed, etc. I know the toptube decal is backwards, but it will stay that way until I find a replacement!

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    Very nice! Is that definitely a '93? Which year did they stop doing the horizontal dropouts? Cool bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    Very nice! Is that definitely a '93? Which year did they stop doing the horizontal dropouts? Cool bike
    Pretty sure it's a 93. However, I did buy this one used about 5 years ago. It came with the original paperwork all from 93, but you never know. A few NOS parts I recently rounded up: Onza Porcs, XT M735 derailleurs, Bontrager Race stem, Bontrager/Titec Ti 118 bar, Synchros Ti BB, Tange Switchblade fork. Waiting to find a perfect Bonti fork, but couldn't wait any longer! Some day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    Very nice! Is that definitely a '93?
    Mine is just like pint's except it's black ... Race Lite with the angle-style decals but pulley front derailleur. I've always assumed it to be a 1993 also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carsten
    the fork tool box thread reminded me that i had scanned in these fork tech sheets a while ago - enjoy!
    I wonder what a Mod. 1, Mod. 2, option would look like for frame and fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holden
    I wonder what a Mod. 1, Mod. 2, option would look like for frame and fork.

    Cool stuff, Carsten. All that talk about fork weight and Keith's forks were pretty heavy. Strong though. I admire all the thought, innovation and engineering going into the early mtb stuff.

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    Classic KB........I am inventing a new phrase, k-bomb. Thanks for posting that, this is well before the 500 page manual or whatever that used to come with every bike in the 90's, had no idea keith was doing aluminum cromo frames all the way back then. I would love to have seen pics of all the models.

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    "Pre-Trek Bontrager Privateer for Sale"

    I saw this on ebay: "This is a very nice and rare 18"Bontrager Privateer steel mountain bike that has been converted to sinlge speed. A true classic!!! I believe that this particular model year frame was prior to the Trek made Bontragers due to the 1" head tube diameter. I think the Trek years went to 1 1/8 inch."

    I sent him a message and politely pointed out that Privateers were by definition made-by-Trek bikes and that his for sure was made by Trek and got this reply: "Did you have a question? Thanks for clearing up the frame build mystery."

    Did I have a question? Yeah, now I have a question. Is he going to amend his auction? I wouldn't even care except that his reply had some side to it. Or am I over-reacting? The irony is that I'm bringing his auction more attention by discussing it.

    Also, a Privateer would have to be a 17" or a 19", technically, wouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williwoods
    Classic KB........I am inventing a new phrase, k-bomb. Thanks for posting that, this is well before the 500 page manual or whatever that used to come with every bike in the 90's, had no idea keith was doing aluminum cromo frames all the way back then. I would love to have seen pics of all the models.
    I have yet to see a pre-96 multi material frame come from Keith. One thing I have learned is pretty much anything is possible with the early stuff - he did plenty of experimentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    Pretty sure it's a 93. However, I did buy this one used about 5 years ago. It came with the original paperwork all from 93, but you never know. A few NOS parts I recently rounded up: Onza Porcs, XT M735 derailleurs, Bontrager Race stem, Bontrager/Titec Ti 118 bar, Synchros Ti BB, Tange Switchblade fork. Waiting to find a perfect Bonti fork, but couldn't wait any longer! Some day...
    Might be a 92 bought in early 93? From working in the biz, one thing I've learned is there is always spill from the previous years' inventory. Makes things blurry sometimes. The give away to 92 is the riveted cable stops, but the seatpost clamp is deffo a 93+ style. All other parts, stays and front der wheel and cable stop position are early too. But those things were on 92, 93, 94 too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    I saw this on ebay: "This is a very nice and rare 18"Bontrager Privateer steel mountain bike that has been converted to sinlge speed. A true classic!!! I believe that this particular model year frame was prior to the Trek made Bontragers due to the 1" head tube diameter. I think the Trek years went to 1 1/8 inch."

    I sent him a message and politely pointed out that Privateers were by definition made-by-Trek bikes and that his for sure was made by Trek and got this reply: "Did you have a question? Thanks for clearing up the frame build mystery."

    Did I have a question? Yeah, now I have a question. Is he going to amend his auction? I wouldn't even care except that his reply had some side to it. Or am I over-reacting? The irony is that I'm bringing his auction more attention by discussing it.

    Also, a Privateer would have to be a 17" or a 19", technically, wouldn't it?
    Not over-reacting but it's going to be an uphill battle as everyone wants their Bontrager to be pre-Trek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Might be a 92 bought in early 93? From working in the biz, one thing I've learned is there is always spill from the previous years' inventory. Makes things blurry sometimes. The give away to 92 is the riveted cable stops, but the seatpost clamp is deffo a 93+ style. All other parts, stays and front der wheel and cable stop position are early too. But those things were on 92, 93, 94 too.

    The cable stops are riveted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pint
    The cable stops are riveted.
    riveted - exactly. Riveted were earlier . . . 92 (ish) and earlier.

    The clamp area for the seatpost clamp looks tall. Look under the rubber sleeve and check if there is a faint line of a taller clamp being installed . . . should be roughly an inch tall.

    This would confirm my thesis that you have a newer style clamp on a older frame.

    No gusset in that area too. Newer ones had a little "V" and hole cutout gusset added there.

    I see there are subtle variations between 91, 92, 93 (looking at the frames I have) but this is a good guide.

    http://www.eandsweb.com/me/bontrager/

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    [QUOTE=MrOrange
    No gusset in that area too. Newer ones had a little "V" and hole cutout gusset added there.
    [/QUOTE]

    I have a '94 Race that has the seat-tube clamp gusset, and a '93 Race Lite that doesn't.

    IMHO, one of the best ways to discern the year of the frame is by examining the dropouts. See "Bontrager MTB Rear Dropout Differences" (last link in the list) at my page: http://yojimg.net/bike/bontrager.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    I have a '94 Race that has the seat-tube clamp gusset, and a '93 Race Lite that doesn't.

    IMHO, one of the best ways to discern the year of the frame is by examining the dropouts. See "Bontrager MTB Rear Dropout Differences" (last link in the list) at my page: http://yojimg.net/bike/bontrager.php
    Nice link.

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    How do I find this forum on mtbr? The only way I have been able to find it is by goggling official bontrager thread.

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    That's a good way to find it. Otherwise, you could subscribe to it.

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    Thanks for posting the scanned sheets Carsten!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Nice link.
    yes, indeed

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    So I looked all thru here and didn't see anything about Bontrager "curved " blade forks with the 4 bolt crown (sorry I don't know the proper lingo) Anyone have any info or a link I can go to? thanx

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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    So I looked all thru here and didn't see anything about Bontrager "curved " blade forks with the 4 bolt crown (sorry I don't know the proper lingo) Anyone have any info or a link I can go to? thanx
    Early-ish. Hollister has been jonesing for one forever. I have one and it is coolio.

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    so would they have been available with say...a '91 OffRoad?

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    Just post the pictures already.
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    what?

    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    so would they have been available with say...a '91 OffRoad?

    do you mean Off Road as in Girvin or an Off Road Toad?


    And I would assume you mean to ask if they were available from Bontrager in 1991?

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    91 would probably be a Comp . . . curvy fork on earlier Toads . . . yes.

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    horizontal dropouts....two piece seatstays....rivited cable stops...and a dead camera battery

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    crappy pics...sorry

    Pre clean-up and horrible lighting but pics none the less.. the decals are pretty beat up but the paint is actually pretty good and no signs of any internal rusting. Surface rust on the dropouts and chainstays, most of the marks are dirt and grease...
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    a couple more...

    it turned into a banner day...

    first my eBay Breezer frame came in the Brown truck. Nothing great but a good start.

    then I found a '97 Ball-Burnished Zaskar with full XT and Mavic 217's on Hadley/GT hubs

    and then this dropped into my lap as I was purchasing some Klein MC-1 bars...

    kaching ring me up, please
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    Careful Stan, you're starting to get too many really nice bikes and are going to lose your reputation . There's no doubt that's an Off Road. The horizontal dropouts, double bend chainstays, and rear canti cable stop are all dead giveaways. That fork is perfect too, maybe a little older than the frame, but close enough to be correct. Nice score .

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    Stan, that is a sweet ride! Let me know if it's too big for you!

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    of course it's too big for me

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    Nice pick up. That's a great frameset!
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    Stan, that bike it *****in'. Love it. I'll give you five lesser frames for it.

    Hell, what about a Mountain Goat WTR in 17" if that is too big?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    91 would probably be a Comp . . . curvy fork on earlier Toads . . . yes.

    Ha! We both guessed wrong. I guess it's cause they're called by their acronym.

    Anyway, the obligatory pic is needed here ("of course it's too big for me"):

    <img src="http://www.fishingobsessions.com/images/fisherman1.jpg">

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    What cracks me up is in other threads Stan has insisted that 19 inch bikes fit just right! I dig the old Bonty's though and with the curved forks it is even better.

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    curved forks look wrong on a production frame

    that doesn't look like a '91
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    What cracks me up is in other threads Stan has insisted that 19 inch bikes fit just right!
    That's 'cause nobody here wants to buy the other 19 inchers he's got. This bait is getting some bites!

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    actually...

    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    What cracks me up is in other threads Stan has insisted that 19 inch bikes fit just right! I dig the old Bonty's though and with the curved forks it is even better.

    I never said they fit just right, just that for my type of riding they are workable . My main rides are smaller frames.

    Now tell me you have never bought a frame that wasn't the right size and that you would have passed on this one if it wasn't the right size....

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    Sat, what's the serial number? On the frames of that vintage, the year is included in the serial number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    This bait is getting some bites!

    You betcha!
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    just a couple more

    I always think a frame looks better with wheels etc. so I threw some on to see what it looked like...not sure how I'm going to build this but it could go this way....

    serial # ends in '791' so I assume it was built in July of '91. And it's an 18".

    Just a hair over 19 pounds as it sits.
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    That's my size, but I'm already up to my neck in projects and can't justify another. That's still a great find, especially with the fork. Which reminds me, I have a lead on a Bonty fork with horizontal drop-outs that I need to follow up on...

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    Get that stem off of there right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Get that stem off of there right now.
    don't worry, it's just my mock-up/sizing stem. Just for getting a quick idea of fit.

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    Too bad we can't have a Bontrager thread under manufacturers; that would consolidate things nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    Too bad we can't have a Bontrager thread under manufacturers; that would consolidate things nicely.
    The Bontrager logo has not been on a bike frame since '98. And a lot of us don't associate the things being made today with the Bontrager logo as having anything to do with the original company, so I'm not sure if it's wise to mix the old stuff with the new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOrange
    Not over-reacting but it's going to be an uphill battle as everyone wants their Bontrager to be pre-Trek.
    Know what? I don't, and here's why: I always wanted a Santa Cruz-made Bontrager, until I finally got one with the semi-horizontal dropouts, and it was a major pain to get the rear wheel not to slip.

    I've ridden a '97 Privateer for over a decade now and it's just been a fun problem-free dream to ride. Call me a phillistine, but really, it's damn near the same frame. Now that I have a '99 (I think) Bontrager Privateer also, I have a Privateer which will take a fork with a 1 1/8" steerer tube, so I have a ton more choice when it comes to forks.

    After all, I bought them to ride, not as wall-hangers.

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    First post.....While looking for info on my bontrager, I stumbled onto this site. I have what I'm pretty sure is a '98 privateer. I bought it brand new in '99 as a leftover. Everything except the seat and pedals is original, down to the grips. Since this is a trek made frame, is it worth much? I'm trying to sell it right now and wondering if it has any worth. It's in great condition.




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    Would've been, but your fork boots are missing...
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    Bontrager Race #5712

    Question - Would it be appropriate to use this fork with this frame?

    1994 Race


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    Or should I use a Judy SL I have from the parts donor bike (1994 KHS Montana Pro)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjustin007
    Question - Would it be appropriate to use this fork with this frame?

    Or should I use a Judy SL I have from the parts donor bike (1994 KHS Montana Pro)
    The rigid fork is older than the frame. The frame is likely suspension corrected.

    What is the axle to crown measurement, with the legs as long as they will go on the rigid fork? If' it's under 400mm I'd not use it. If it's over, it will work fine. Slightly longer would be better.
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    How do I measure that?
    From axel to top of crown = 395mm
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    Yeah what Laff said

    Frame looks to be a 95/6 1 piece seat stays and no pulley wheel (if I see right - pic is a tad fuzzy)

    Deffo a suspension geo frame

    That fork will not quite be long enough, but you could put it on and see for yourself what it will do to the geo and ride. Since it has slotted drops, even more fun to experiment with

    But, I would recommend the Judy . . . will ride a lot better with that.

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    Nice fork, though. I see why you want to use it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjihara
    Know what? I don't, and here's why: I always wanted a Santa Cruz-made Bontrager, until I finally got one with the semi-horizontal dropouts, and it was a major pain to get the rear wheel not to slip.

    I've ridden a '97 Privateer for over a decade now and it's just been a fun problem-free dream to ride. Call me a phillistine, but really, it's damn near the same frame. Now that I have a '99 (I think) Bontrager Privateer also, I have a Privateer which will take a fork with a 1 1/8" steerer tube, so I have a ton more choice when it comes to forks.

    After all, I bought them to ride, not as wall-hangers.
    Agreed, 1 1/8" gives you more choices. Yes, the frames are close to the same to higher end models.

    "After all, I bought them to ride, not as wall-hangers." Yeah, riding them is what they are for.

    I think we all know that when it comes time to sell - Race and Race Lite bring more bucks. And that is what I was referencing. People want to connect to those models and away from Trek made. Thus people often quote "made in Santa Cruz" when they are not. I see it all the time.

    What I am trying to say is - I agree with you - but I think you are going to have a hard time correcting everybody that puts an ad up on CL or Ebay


    edited for content.
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    Riding Bonty off road?

    Are you peeps riding your bontys off road now? I have a 94 Race, its been my commuter. I have a Judy XC on it, fixed up by Hippietech. I am thinking about getting it back out on the trail. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy
    Are you peeps riding your bontys off road now? I have a 94 Race, its been my commuter. I have a Judy XC on it, fixed up by Hippietech. I am thinking about getting it back out on the trail. What do you think?
    Yes, I still ride my Bontrager Race. It's a single speed with a 2000 SID fork on it (the last of the 1" SIDs). I still love the way it rides, and have no plans to stop riding it.
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    Of course I ride my Bontrager off road! I have a road bike for pavement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    So I looked all thru here and didn't see anything about Bontrager "curved " blade forks with the 4 bolt crown (sorry I don't know the proper lingo) Anyone have any info or a link I can go to? thanx
    Here's one:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/se...7606722657538/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimgskoop
    Nice frameset. And my size too! I'm glad that I missed that ad; otherwise, I'd be $500 poorer right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkawasaki
    Sorry bone eaters - I'm travelling at the moment and won't be able to get photos requested until next week. Will do then - promise!

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    I've been searching the net for info about this fork, and have come up empty. It's a Switchblade with the slotted drop outs. Can someone fill me in? When it was made, what would be the 'correct' Bontrager to put it on, etc.

    I was going to use it on the 1994 Race pictured above, but seems like it's too old.
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    You guys all have some great bikes. I had to register and post my first bike love. In the summer of 2000 I quit my job and threw down 1100 bones for this '99 Privateer Comp, all in the same day. Was a fun summer! It had a Sid fork, XT and XTR components, Chris King rear hub. Sold it a few years later when I was hard up for money, which I regret. Now the search is on to find one to replace her!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzle-Chest
    You guys all have some great bikes. I had to register and post my first bike love. In the summer of 2000 I quit my job and threw down 1100 bones for this '99 Privateer Comp, all in the same day. Was a fun summer! It had a Sid fork, XT and XTR components, Chris King rear hub. Sold it a few years later when I was hard up for money, which I regret. Now the search is on to find one to replace her!
    Now you can afford a real Santa Cruz made bontrager! What size are you looking for?

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    medium or large, you have one your looking to unload?

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    ooops, double post...
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    96 Race:
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    Oooh clean. My size, too

    You sure it's a '96? The details point towards an earlier year: 2 piece seatstays, straight decals, XT components and fork from 95 or earlier, etc. What kind of headset is that? Is it a repaint or just a near pristine ol' gem? Whats the history on it?

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    96 ?

    Not a 96 but definitely very nice and clean. Decals are just decals but those are the early ones which match the frame. That butted seat stay put it more at 90-91.
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    That is really sharp. Nice work.

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