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    NEW MEMBERS (and old) PLEASE READ...Forum guidelines, Links, General info

    Hey my VRC brothers (and sisters)-

    This thread was a long time coming, but this should be something quite useful for the veteran VRC members as well as new VRC'ers who have made their way to our forum.


    This thread will....evolve. For the vet posters, please feel free to post info or links that you've found useful over the years and I will add them to the list below. To keep things clean, I will delete posts as the information is added to keep this thread a clean quick resource for all of us.


    I hope this helps, and again, please feel free to post or PM me with suggestions and/or info.


    -eric-

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    Vintage, Retro, Classic. What is it?
    One of the two most commonly asked questions. How to determine the difference (or even identify) a vintage, retro, or classic bike. Other VRC'ers have defined it far more eloquently than I ever could. Here are some links discussing the subject. They include some great definitions of VRC. Keep in mind that the definition of vintage retro classic is, at the end of the day, in they eyes of the beholder.

    VRC Definition threads:
    General VRC Definition Discussion
    General VRC Definition Discussion II
    General VRC Definition Discussion III
    General VRC Definition Discussion IV
    General VRC Definition Discussion V
    Which of todays bikes are tomorrow's classics


    What's It Worth (WIW)
    The other most commonly asked question. What's it worth?
    This is about as difficult to define as the definition of 'vintage retro classic'. There is no clear answer. And though this question is asked often, its almost always asked of a different part or bike...making links to helpful threads difficult.

    Here's one of the better discussions of the topic:
    Vintage Value
    Lighthearted, but less than helpful 'whats it worth' discussion.

    I'll make an attempt at providing guidance to 'what's it worth', it is just my personal opinion on the subject.

    What's it worth? What is your bike worth? Are you sitting on a gold mine? Maybe, maybe not. The best way to determine the value of your bike. Put it on eBay for $.99 and let it ride. This probably the most best way to figure the value. Of course, how well your auction description is and how clean and nicely you take pictures of your bike will also affect its value. MTBR.com has a 'Vintage' section in the classifieds. It hits your target audience perfectly.
    If you don't want to sell your bike, but just want to know if it has value...take these things into account:
    • Age of the bike.
    • Originality of the bike (paint, parts)
    • Condition of the bike (paint, parts)
    • Is it a low production run bike? Custom/Hand made by a reputable craftsmen?
    • Component list? Are the parts 'top or the line' or quality aftermarket upgrades?

    Worth....or value, will always be a gray area. What may be worth a lot to you, may be worth very little to someone else. Even something such as sentimental worth can sometimes affect market value. Do your research. Watch local Craigslist and eBay for like items to gauge the worth (value) of what you have.

    Outing (and why did I get yelled at)
    The topic of 'outting' often gets discussed here in the VRC. While it is not a written rule, alerting others to VRC items found, it has become a self enforced courtesy not to out on the public forum. Rather, its has become common to PM or Email another forum member directly to let them know of a find. This is more directed towards local Craigslist postings as opposed to eBay, however hidden auctions are found by those who work hard to find them.
    The link below is a more in depth discussion on the subject.
    Outing Discussion Thread

    Helpful Info and Quick Links
    There are some great resources on the net related to Vintage Retro Classic. Use them to educate yourself, reminisce, or enjoy the pictures!

    First Flight Bikes. By far, one of the greatest resources on the net. Jeff Archer (and wES) has done an amazing job amassing information and providing us all with a museum of some of the greatest VRC bikes ever built to enjoy. Their website is great for determining parts timelines and bike specs. First Flight Bikes

    Charlie Kelly. Brush up on your history and take in some fantastic photographs. This is Charlie Kelly's website, unofficial MTB historian: Charlie Kelly's Mountain Bike HubSite His credentials? He was there. Here's also a thread by Charlie with oogles of great pictures of early mtb history: Legend's Thread

    Bike Pro website: Bike Pro. I don't know who has kept this site running, but its another good resource to identify parts that you have...and just can't seem to remember what they are. They also do a pretty great job at providing info about the part and its specs.

    MTB Kataloge. Sorry, its in German. But, its an awesome collection of factory bike and component catalogs, scanned and PDF'ed for our convenience.
    MTB Kataloge

    MTBR.com has it's own VRC specific picture gallery. Feel free to add your VRC ride to the gallery (Try and keep it to a single, clean drive side photo of your bike).
    MTBR.com Vintage Retro Classic Picture Gallery

    MTBR.com VRC classifieds. MTBR has a VRC specific bike and parts section of the classifieds. Buy or sell to the most targeted of audiences.
    MTBR VRC Bikes Classifieds
    VRC Components Classifieds
    Trade Thread (no for sale items) Part 2

    Sheldon Brown


    Vintage Retro Classic Brand Specific Enthusiast Sites
    VRC is a small community, so anywhere we can come together to share knowledge, information, and stories is a good thing. Here are a few brand specific sites.

    Brand Specific Websites:
    Bontrager Frame Identification (Off Road, Race, Race Lite)
    Fat Cogs (Fat Chance)
    Mantis
    Old Mountain Bikes (Ritchey)
    Vintage Trek
    Yetifan.com (Yeti)
    Brakes Obscura (rare vrc mtb brake photos and info)
    Shimano XTR (M900/M910) Info

    Klein -
    Gator Adroits
    Wundels Klein Classics
    http://www.wink.ne.jp/~and/index.htm
    Klein Tech Guide (Pre-97) PDF File


    'Official' Threads
    Lets face it, we like showing off our bikes. We like seeing pictures of bikes. Here is a list of 'official' bike threads and other threads of interest. This list will certainly grow, so bear with me while I update, organize, and add to it. (We might have to break this section info manufacturer specific sections)

    Official Juli Furtado Picture Thread
    Official Ned Overend Thread
    Official John Tomac Thread


    Official Bontrager Thread
    Official DEAN Thread
    Official Fat Chance Thread
    Official GT Thread
    Official Ibis Thread
    Official Klein Picture Thread
    Official Mantis Thread
    Official (Koga) Miyata Thread
    Official Mountain Goat Thread
    Official Ritchey Thread
    Official Rock Lobster Thread
    Official Salsa Thread (All Things Moto!)
    Official Slingshot Thread
    Official Specialized Picture Thread
    Official Steve Potts Thread
    Official Titanium Bike Thread
    Official Victor Vicente of America Thread
    The WTB Phoenix Thread
    Official Yeti Thread

    All Things Charlie Cunningham
    Official Cook Bros Crank Thread
    Official Frank the Welder FTW thread
    The Official John Grafton Photo Thread
    Greg Herbold Thread
    Official (Sugino) Tioga Tension Disk Thread


    The single consolidated official drop bar thread

    Picture Threads:
    Vintage Beauty Pageant Thread
    Old neon bike photos please..........
    Official 'Rare Parts' Thread
    Last edited by girlonbike; 03-19-2013 at 05:18 PM. Reason: updating
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    Here are some more general MTBR info:

    MTBR forum rules: Mtbr Posting Guidelines

    Why did my post get deleted? Well, usually it relates to a violation of the rules above. Specifically, the most common circumstances are: outings, personal attacks and flaming, offering things for sale without the purchase of an MTBR classified ad, bumping your own post, etc. Reposting what was deleted will not result in mods and admins changing their minds. Timeouts and permanent bans may result from egregiously bad behavior.

    Have fun and play nicely. We're all here because we love bicycles.
    Last edited by girlonbike; 03-19-2013 at 05:20 PM.

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