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    My classics

    8 months ago I drank the 29r coolade and it was good. The more I rode the Tracer 29 the more I enjoyed certain aspects of riding it but I still found it lacking in a few respects, so I continued test riding different bikes. After a few 275 test rides I bought the Tracer 275 at the Intense parking lot sale and again it was good, slightly better in fact, it was quicker and more plush than the 29r with slacker angles but the front felt lighter than the 29r.
    I crashed the 275 and destroyed the rear 2 pc rotor so I broke out my 9 year old Turner 5 Spot and my 12 year old Foes fly until I can pick up a replacement rotor. FUN fun bikes and better than the new wheel size counterparts in some respects.
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    I don't personally think either of those bikes are VRC in any way. They're barely old. Plush Fox forks, big disc brakes, 9spd drive train.

    I will agree that 26" mid travel suspension bikes have great aspects to them. Depends on the terrain and type of rider you are too....but its good to hear you kept your 'classics' and still enjoy them, even as a fall back bike. Fine some twisty single track or some punchy climbs and the clown bikes will struggle to keep up.
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    Rumpfy called it, those bikes are no where near vintage! Sorry, but there is no such thing as a vintage bike with suspension, disc brakes or 29 inch wheels. You need to post them under the 90's bikes section where they belong. Thanks.

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    what... there's a 90's bike section? Missed that...even though they are both from this century?
    Either way, yeah they are new! Barely even run in not VRC...
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    There is no 90's bikes section, but there should be so people can stop contaminating this section with their bikes from 10 years ago. It's like going into a forum about Fords, and they keep talking about Toyotas! I say keep the Vintage forum vintage!

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    Well...neither of these bikes are even from the 90's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 83stumpjumper View Post
    Rumpfy called it, those bikes are no where near vintage! Sorry, but there is no such thing as a vintage bike with suspension, disc brakes or 29 inch wheels. You need to post them under the 90's bikes section where they belong. Thanks.
    maybe not the 29" wheels, but there were many suspension (front and rear) bikes in the eighties...I purchased a set of FTF mags from CK and there are several suspension bikes advertised in them(in many issues)...all from the eighties. So, once again I ask...what constitutes a vintage bike...???... I thought we all like old bikes..not just that one old bike..or this should be the eighties, totally rigid forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syklystt View Post
    maybe not the 29" wheels, but there were many suspension (front and rear) bikes in the eighties.......
    Slingshot perhaps.

    On a side: anyone consider that OP is trolling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver King View Post
    On a side: anyone consider that OP is trolling?
    Nah, I don't think so. I think in the minds of a lot of people, 10 year old bikes are 'vintage'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syklystt View Post
    maybe not the 29" wheels, but there were many suspension (front and rear) bikes in the eighties...I purchased a set of FTF mags from CK and there are several suspension bikes advertised in them(in many issues)...all from the eighties. So, once again I ask...what constitutes a vintage bike...???... I thought we all like old bikes..not just that one old bike..or this should be the eighties, totally rigid forum.
    Are you zygote's sock puppet account? Sure seems like it.

    No one is saying suspension bikes don't have a place in the vintage forum. 80's suspension bike...sure! But the bikes posted above were made after 2000. Whats vintage about them?
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    I believe the OP only stated that they were "classic", not "vintage". Since this is the "VRC- vintage,retro,CLASSIC" forum, he feels that it's classic enough for him to post it here.
    No harm done.
    I encourage all you noobs to keep posting any bike that you may feel that fits into this all-encompassing forum that is so clearly defined.

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    Sorry, the line has to be drawn some where. Have to discourage people from bringing stuff like that here. If we don't, what's the point in having a "Vintage" forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 83stumpjumper View Post
    Sorry, the line has to be drawn some where. Have to discourage people from bringing stuff like that here. If we don't, what's the point in having a "Vintage" forum?
    On other forums, a post can be moved by the moderators if they feel it shouldn't be in a given category.
    The word "vintage" doesn't mean of a certain age- it's a common misnomer that represents something old.
    Maybe as I and GOB suggested, that a division of the VRC forum is in order to eliminate mixing of certain bikes/frames/components/etc?
    Seems to me that a "VRC-pre suspension" category is needed along with a "VRC- suspended" category and that the limiting age factor should be 15 years or older to even be considered for the entire forum.

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    I agree, that's why I've said the forum should be split between 80's and 90's bikes. Nothing from the 2000's though.

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    Oh joy. This bullsh</>it, again.

    I encourage you to take it to retrobike, or die in a fire

    Whichever is easier for you
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    Easier to keep posting here, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    I believe the OP only stated that they were "classic", not "vintage". Since this is the "VRC- vintage,retro,CLASSIC" forum, he feels that it's classic enough for him to post it here.
    I think my 2003 Santa Cruz Bullit is a "classic" and I'm sure some people on here would dig it because it's an awesome bike. But it's not a VRC bike and if I was to post it anywhere it would be in the All Mountain board or the Santa Cruz board.

    Quote Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    I encourage all you noobs to keep posting any bike that you may feel that fits into this all-encompassing forum that is so clearly defined.
    You have valid things to say.

    Please tell us why you don't say them here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 83stumpjumper View Post
    Easier to keep posting here, thanks!
    +1..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Grumpy View Post
    I think my 2003 Santa Cruz Bullit is a "classic" and I'm sure some people on here would dig it because it's an awesome bike. But it's not a VRC bike and if I was to post it anywhere it would be in the All Mountain board or the Santa Cruz board.



    You have valid things to say.

    Please tell us why you don't say them here.

    Grumps
    What's the "classic" defined as? what about the "retro"? I'm just trying to solve an issue that some people have with qualifiers that keep bikes in this forum.

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    been discussed quite a few times in the threads linked at the start of this sticky thread:
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    hey- thanks for that link. interesting read.
    Rumphy- when are you going to add the "Official Control Tech" to the main index of "Official" lists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    What's the "classic" defined as? what about the "retro"? I'm just trying to solve an issue that some people have with qualifiers that keep bikes in this forum.
    As above, it's been done to death. If you're in any doubt as to whether the bike you want to post up fits into VRC, look around at other boards where it might fit in better. It's not as if MTBR is lacking options on where to post up stuff.

    Alternatively, feel free to post it up here and if the moderators decide to move it, or the general consensus is that it's not VRC, then you can either accept the verdict like a mature adult, or flog the dead horse a bit more like an immature troll, make banal comments and digs at anything without suspension as a klunkers. You know, like you do now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Are you zygote's sock puppet account? Sure seems like it.

    No one is saying suspension bikes don't have a place in the vintage forum. 80's suspension bike...sure! But the bikes posted above were made after 2000. Whats vintage about them?
    Haaa...noo...just timing i guess...I dont mean to keep this FS thing going..and the VRC thing, I didnt start that....I do agree that these bikes dont have a place here. I wouldnt post my bikes of that age either. My beef is when it is stated that suspension bikes cant count as VRC when they are just as old, and even rarer than most of whats posted (as in ive not really seen but a few in years)....I'll try to refrain from bringing it up but when a remark is made to the effect that other bikes cant count...well, I beg to differ and will speak up as all others here do too. we all do get our say here correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Grumpy View Post
    As above, it's been done to death. If you're in any doubt as to whether the bike you want to post up fits into VRC, look around at other boards where it might fit in better. It's not as if MTBR is lacking options on where to post up stuff.

    Alternatively, feel free to post it up here and if the moderators decide to move it, or the general consensus is that it's not VRC, then you can either accept the verdict like a mature adult, or flog the dead horse a bit more like an immature troll, make banal comments and digs at anything without suspension as a klunkers. You know, like you do now.

    Grumps
    Quote Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    I encourage all you noobs to keep posting any bike that you may feel that fits into this all-encompassing forum that is so clearly defined.
    Grumps is right. Why are you trolling so hard? Are you actually trying to get banned?

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    Gob- I'm not trolling at all. I'm just having a conversation.
    I'm not flaming anyone, outing listings, or spamming of any sort.
    I'm not even trying to make a hard point.
    I am simply responding to the thread.
    As someone else has just said, I believe I'm entitled to add my .02
    If I had known that this was such a hot bed of negativity, I wouldn't have said anything.

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    ya...me either...seems that some can dish but...well, you know.
    again, sorry for such a sore subject around here...I'm sure you all have been thru it many times and maybe us newer folks havent, All i wanted to do was let other lurkers know that what stumpy said was innaccurate.

    and rumpfy...stumpy said exactly that there is no place here for suspension...why not jump down his throat!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    If I had known that this was such a hot bed of negativity, I wouldn't have said anything.
    False. You love every moment of this.


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    It always strikes me as odd when a new person enters an established group and expects the group to change the group norms to meet their needs, wants and desires.
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    I propose that we allow any bike at all to be listed as "retro" or "classic". Just if it is newer than 2000 you have to bury it in your back yard for a month so it can acquire a nice patina.

    Hell, people could even do "full resto's" on them and make dedicated threads for them.
    Don't call it a gooseneck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 83stumpjumper View Post
    ...It's like going into a forum about Fords, and they keep talking about Toyotas! I say keep the Vintage forum vintage!


    Personally I wish they would remove Retro and Classic from the title so we can all be clear as to what the forum is about but until they do technically speaking this is not a vintage forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy View Post
    It always strikes me as odd when a new person enters an established group and expects the group to change the group norms to meet their needs, wants and desieres.
    For better or worse you just defined progress

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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    hey- thanks for that link. interesting read.
    Rumphy- when are you going to add the "Official Control Tech" to the main index of "Official" lists?
    I've since retired as moderator. Lucky you, you would have really hated me then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syklystt View Post
    and rumpfy...stumpy said exactly that there is no place here for suspension...why not jump down his throat!!!!
    Because he's funny and not getting butt hurt over any of this.
    I don't agree with him on the point though. I think earlier examples of full suspension bikes have a place here. Ones with cantilever brakes.
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    Your statement just sent shudders down my spine. Anyone remember the Catamount? First thing I thought of with Rumpfy's description. Oh how I hated that freakin bike. My buddy had one and possessed absolutely zero mechanical ability so I always had to try to fix that pile of autocad gone wrong........

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    Quote Originally Posted by datmony View Post
    Anyone remember the Catamount?
    I always thought they looked like Klein Mantras. Somewhat similar rear shock placement.

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    He was replacing the (or I should say I was he just paid for it) drivetrain on that thing pretty much every 3 or 4 months. The relation of the cranks to the cassette meant that there was always bind in the drivetrain. Apparently the builders didn't think it necessary to make sure it was actually rideable. Chainsuck was the worst I have ever seen on anything.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    I've since retired as moderator. Lucky you, you would have really hated me then.
    I don't hate you, but I do disagree with some of your statements at times.
    I actually give you a little respect cause you rode through the rocks at Keysville.

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    .....without suspension!!
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
    And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD5h3y0a9AU

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcdesigns View Post
    For better or worse you just defined progress
    True that. Except there's newcomers who take it all in and make valid contributions and newcomers who wanna throw their toys out of the pram. New blood, new bikes, new experiences, new memories, new contributions are all the lifeblood. Making docile little threats to have noobs post up any old bike they wish is counterproductive.

    Quote Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    I don't hate you, but I do disagree with some of your statements at times.
    I actually give you a little respect cause you rode through the rocks at Keysville.
    Gees, that's a basis for respect right there. I've never met Rumpfy and being on the other side of the planet I likely never will. But I respect him because he has a great load of knowledge, cool bikes, the key to the tension disc warehouse, and because I have no reason not to respect him. See, people automatically get my respect until they lose it. They don't have to earn it with me. Why is that my philosophy? Because it's a society. Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Grumpy View Post
    Making docile little threats to have noobs post up any old bike they wish is counterproductive.

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    I'm sorry if you or anyone here feels that my statement was perceived as a threat.
    It was simply meant to tell people if they felt that their particular brand of bike was "VRC", then to post it to this forum. What happens after that is up to the rest of you.

    Rumpfys own words about VRC- " Keep in mind that the definition of vintage retro classic is, at the end of the day, in they eyes of the beholder."

    all of this reminds me of the time when automobiles first came on the scene and the horse riders had zillions of arguments against the horseless carriages.
    Progress- I love it.

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    Its as simple as this, 80's bikes are vintage, and some more than others, and 90's bikes are old. What we need here is a Vintage forum and an Old Bikes forum, that would solve the problem here. It's really very simple if you would all just listen to me! Harumph!

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    No it's not as simple as that. Not a fact. It's your opinion. Remember that.
    Quote Originally Posted by 83stumpjumper View Post
    Its as simple as this, 80's bikes are vintage, and some more than others, and 90's bikes are old. What we need here is a Vintage forum and an Old Bikes forum, that would solve the problem here. It's really very simple if you would all just listen to me! Harumph!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    I encourage all you noobs to keep posting any bike that you may feel that fits into this all-encompassing forum that is so clearly defined.
    Quote Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    I'm sorry if you or anyone here feels that my statement was perceived as a threat.
    Yes. In hindsight "threat" was the wrong word. It wasn't really a threat. More like a spoilt brat going "nyeh nyeh nyeh".

    Thanks, this has been fun. Bye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Because he's funny and not getting butt hurt over any of this.
    I don't agree with him on the point though. I think earlier examples of full suspension bikes have a place here. Ones with cantilever brakes.
    lol...I hope nobody is...i only get butt hurt from.....rigid bikes!!!....haaa...
    have a great day all...spring is here...time to ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by datmony View Post
    He was replacing the (or I should say I was he just paid for it) drivetrain on that thing pretty much every 3 or 4 months. The relation of the cranks to the cassette meant that there was always bind in the drivetrain. Apparently the builders didn't think it necessary to make sure it was actually rideable. Chainsuck was the worst I have ever seen on anything.........
    The early cannondale delta V's were like that too....stretched the chain with every hop of the back end.

    and I really liked your statement "autocad gone wrong"....I lived my life on autocad for a long time...it still is the same, better software and bad users...mech. engineering degrees dont teach what is really needed to be a good "thinker"...just how to run tools/apps and crunch numbers...lotsa junk being produced at a unbelievable rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    No it's not as simple as that. Not a fact. It's your opinion. Remember that.
    Yes it is my opinion, and you're all entitled to it!

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    If we all had the same opinion, there would be no diversity....Thats what makes bikes and cyclists such a unique crowd...sooo many different bikes adn different riding styles and places to ride....even for just MTB'ers....tarils are diff everywhere and each person like different styles of riding. I choose very difficult, rocky, hilly terrain...as opposed to the current crop of flowy places that cater tot he newer riders with less abilities. Sone folks love the flowy, smooth, no hills stuff....or combos of them....it's all good really and keeps the MTB designers going strong for a long time now.
    Differing opinions keep this interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syklystt View Post
    Differing opinions keep this interesting.
    No they don't.



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    Well...I...I....I see what you did there!

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