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    Most underrated vintage mountain bike.

    Just to keep the VRC microverse in balance, a sister to ckevlar's thread.............

    Jamis Dragon - been in production almost continuously since early 1990s (still steel AFAIK) - reviews well - got a certain under-the-radar cool - never see them mentioned on here.
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    Most under rated, probably mostly due to the fact I've never seen another, (and sticking with your theme!) 1987 Jamis Dakota LTD. All black, braze ons for the shoulder pad/bag (you know you wanted one), fender, rack and three bottles. Suntour PowerCams with cool Jamis cordura covers to keep the crap out, a Tange double butted frame. Managed to finagle a "last years" Deore drivetrain (from the head wrenches bike, who had just gotten the "new" XT, ooooo....) onto it, and then the story begins.....

    My first mtb, from the first shop I worked at, and probably a big part of why I'm still in love with bikes.




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    Specialized, Americans, Curtlos

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Specialized, Americans, Curtlos
    I thought of stumpjumpers, steel, but they do have a cult following of their own.
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    Great thread idea...

    I think the '87 Paramountain might qualify here. It doesn't get too much attention here, although I'm not sure if that's because there aren't that many, or because of limited interest. Regardless, it's a limited-production, lugged Prestige frame tied to Ned Overend's 1986 NORBA nationals victory. I'm a big fan of the way mine rides - quick, but not twitchy, and it's nice and light.

    I suppose the 1988 Schwinn KOM might fit into the same category - I believe it's a very similar frame. I've never ridden that one, though.

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    Brew, Cherry bicycles, Smorgasbord..
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    Brew, Cherry bicycles, Smorgasbord..
    Brew, not so much. I wanted one so bad when I was working in a shop, but just couldn't swing one at the time. I recall Steve's bikes being refered to as single season race bikes, and when I finally scored one for my wire a couple years ago I found out why. Way underbuild and potentially a lack of technical expertice in building with lightweight tubing (Tange Prestige).

    The 180 Proof I picked up had a small crack under the seat collar. I had Rody repair it for me. After he stripped the paint off he found that somebody had repaired the crack once before with some silver. Well, the bike had original paint, so it had cracked in the process of being built and was repaired prior to paint.
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    Curtlo is a good one, but maybe too small-scale to be underrated?

    I would also concur with Jamis. Nice spec. Higher end ones made at Serotta, no?

    I'd also say Bridgestone counts as underrated. Perhaps they were too understated for the early 90s mtb scene. Stodgy sounding name (well, to my ears anyway), but nice riding bikes with good aesthetics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y
    Curtlo is a good one, but maybe too small-scale to be underrated?

    I'd also say Bridgestone counts as underrated. Perhaps they were too understated for the early 90s mtb scene. Stodgy sounding name (well, to my ears anyway), but nice riding bikes with good aesthetics.

    Otis Guy, but I think they fall into the same too small scale as well.

    I've liked the Bridgestones I've tried, so I agree with you there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y
    I would also concur with Jamis. Nice spec. Higher end ones made at Serotta, no?
    IIRC Teesdale made some
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    Yep~!
    Later mid-late 90s ones, it seems. http://tetcycles.com/bikes/about/
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    I'm not judging, just asking, didn't we just have this thread around Thanksgiving?

    Underrated bikes I've personally owned and and almost never see posts on Miele and Yakota for starters. There are a ton of underrated small builders so I won't count them. I would also have to say the late-80s Rockhoppers in particular as the Stumpjumpers have a weird following and lots of knee-jerk detractors, but the Rockhoppers get almost no love at all.

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    Boulder Bikes they got it right the first time with their single pivot design.

    Barracuda specifically the A2X.

    GT Zaskar X best looking and strongest of all the Zaskars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Otis Guy, but I think they fall into the same too small scale as well.
    I agree on Otis Guy and think Gecko might also be a name that stayed too small for much attention. I've never ridden one, however...

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    I have to agree with Cegrover about the early Paramountions and KOM's but I'd also include the early 90's Paramount PDG Series 90's, I've had one and I wish I didnt sell it. Handled great/excellent sterring/lite, it was a fun rider and was the lightest steering bike I've ever owned. Wanted 17" frame/fork
    "I think it is heavy and often stupid and doesn't work as well as Shimano, but I keep using it. -- NG

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1
    Cherry bicycles
    AHHH! I didn't know anyone else knew about these! I've been searching for an older Cherry Bomb for years now. John makes some great looking (and riding) bikes. Who knew such great bikes would come out of Lafayette, Indiana.

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    '96 Mongoose Hilltopper.
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    Rodriguez... Local yes, but also in the game early. Beautiful frames.
    Seek: Koski Trailmaster. Breezer Series 2, or 3. Fillet brazed Ibis Custom. Cunningham Racer. Otis Guy (but not that softride model). That's all I need I don't need anything else... except... except for an old Mountain Goat bar stem combo. And that's all I need. I don't need anything else. Except.....

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    S Works steel, Series 80/90 Paramount's, Monster Fats, tigged Salsa's, Privateer's, Ultra's.
    Zip ties? Not on my bike!

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    I think Bridgestones are overrated. They get a lot of attention for a quirky but otherwise average mass produced bike. I've owned a zip, Mb-1 and a XO-1 and for the rocky, steep trails in the northeast the Fats I've owned/own were all much better. Other than build quality this is all personal taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff
    S Works steel, Series 80/90 Paramount's, Monster Fats, tigged Salsa's, Privateer's, Ultra's.
    I agree about the non-Wicked based Monster. Same basic geo as a Yo, better ride and cheaper. For some reason that bike didn't catch on as the Fat bargain the way the Buck Shaver did later on.
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    American

    below the radar of most........

    Great welds w/ full solution treatment process AFTER welding / great choices in geometry / light weight / durable design / limited production.





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    Quote Originally Posted by crconsulting
    American

    below the radar of most........

    Great welds w/ full solution treatment process AFTER welding / great choices in geometry / light weight / durable design / limited production.


    Strong play! I'd love to try one out sometime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crconsulting
    American

    below the radar of most........

    Great welds w/ full solution treatment process AFTER welding / great choices in geometry / light weight / durable design / limited production.




    I agree. I lusted after these rigs in the early 90's.

    Another point to make was their use of "hard" anodizing instead of paint. Military spec ano in several cool colors.

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    I rode a 90 American Comp Lite through most of the 90's as my primary bike. Needless to say, I am biased towards Americans and think they are great.One thing I didn't like about the frame was how American used rivets to clamp the der hanger to the frame. The hanger would develop play over time. I believe American switched to a different mounting style in the final years.
    Seek: Koski Trailmaster. Breezer Series 2, or 3. Fillet brazed Ibis Custom. Cunningham Racer. Otis Guy (but not that softride model). That's all I need I don't need anything else... except... except for an old Mountain Goat bar stem combo. And that's all I need. I don't need anything else. Except.....

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