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    Mid to late 90's Trek 9xx series (930,950,970,990).............

    Why don't they have a cool factor to them? I mean they are good ol' American made True Temper steel frames right? They offer a great ride, hard to kill, and spec'd nicely for their time. Is it more or less because they come from a large manufacturer and not a boutique builder? I mean I know the welds look like crap but I can't see them when I ride so that doesn't bother me.

    I don't see a lot of them pop up here either restored or modernized so I was just curious.

    Any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blak_byke
    Why don't they have a cool factor to them?
    Any thoughts?
    Because their owners are generally pains in the ass. See: "turn an old trek 850 into cyclocross" bike thread.
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    Actually...the real answer (or what I feel to be the reason), is that there's nothing special about them. Dime a dozen. Not collectible, not hard to get....and if you've ever spent time on some of the nicer bikes from the era....that Trek is not really something people actively seek out to restore or upgrade.

    A lot of us got into 'VRC' because the bikes we lusted after are more affordable to us now. I didn't pine through the pages of MBA dreaming of a Trek 930. I had to buy an entry level Stumpjumper. But now that I'm older....I went for the Ritchey P-23 I always wanted. I went for the decked out Yeti. I hunted for the Salsa.
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    Because their owners are generally pains in the ass. See: "turn an old trek 850 into cyclocross" bike thread.
    I am so sorry blak_byke, my name has been invoked and your thread is now condemned to not recieve any answers to your actual question. I will pray for you and hope the MTBR Vaudeville act of "post-modern hollister", "girlonbike the entertainer" and "Rumpfy the-magnificent" don't drive you to insanity for asking the wrong kind of question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    I am so sorry blak_byke, my name has been invoked and your thread is now condemned to not recieve any answers to your actual question.
    long story short:

    we blame you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Because their owners are generally pains in the ass. See: "turn an old trek 850 into cyclocross" bike thread.

    You're an ass.....but I mean that in an endearing sort of way LOL! I hollered when I read your response!
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    long story short:

    we blame you
    short story long:

    folks just read the other thread and make up your own minds.

    Let me welcome you to the MTBR Vaudeville act and traveling circus, known as:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Actually...the real answer (or what I feel to be the reason), is that there's nothing special about them. Dime a dozen. Not collectible, not hard to get....and if you've ever spent time on some of the nicer bikes from the era....that Trek is not really something people actively seek out to restore or upgrade.

    A lot of us got into 'VRC' because the bikes we lusted after are more affordable to us now. I didn't pine through the pages of MBA dreaming of a Trek 930. I had to buy an entry level Stumpjumper. But now that I'm older....I went for the Ritchey P-23 I always wanted. I went for the decked out Yeti. I hunted for the Salsa.

    I see where you're coming from. For me, It's my IBOC ZERO-G. For the masses it was another 'dime a dozen' bike but for me it was my first mountain bike....A MONGOOSE! My previous bike was a Mongoose Supergoose that my Pop's bought me. So for me, it's like having a little piece of him. I keep building it up but keep feeling feeling like NAAAAH, not the right build. It's a sentimental thing. I know, I'm a softy
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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    I am so sorry blak_byke, my name has been invoked and your thread is now condemned to not recieve any answers to your actual question. I will pray for you and hope the MTBR Vaudeville act of "post-modern hollister", "girlonbike the entertainer" and "Rumpfy the-magnificent" don't drive you to insanity for asking the wrong kind of question.

    What are you talkin' about!? I answered his question after I made the funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blak_byke
    You're an ass.....but I mean that in an endearing sort of way LOL! I hollered when I read your response!

    Haha! A magnificent ass, thankyouverymuch.
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    everyone else got a better stage name than me

    boo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blak_byke
    I see where you're coming from. For me, It's my IBOC ZERO-G. For the masses it was another 'dime a dozen' bike but for me it was my first mountain bike....A MONGOOSE! My previous bike was a Mongoose Supergoose that my Pop's bought me. So for me, it's like having a little piece of him. I keep building it up but keep feeling feeling like NAAAAH, not the right build. It's a sentimental thing. I know, I'm a softy

    Totally. And a lot of people here do that too, seeking out their first mountain bike. Or still have their first mountain bike and want to find a way to keep it running. Sentimental ownership is a powerful thing.

    And if you like the bike, you like the bike...thats most important. But generally speaking, those threads don't get all that much attention or people excited. Those bikes are on every college campus in the US...if I want to see one, I'll go there. (tongue in cheek, but I know ur pickin' up what I'm puttin' down here).
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    everyone else got a better stage name than me

    boo!

    I have lots of stage names for you...but the keep getting censored here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    short story long:

    folks just read the other thread and make up your own minds.

    Let me welcome you to the MTBR Vaudeville act and traveling circus, known as:

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    "girlonbike the entertainer"

    "Rumpfy the magnificent"

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    "Williwoods the thinskins hunter"

    LOL! I feel you Momo. I've been lurking and posting every so often over the years so I've been witness to some of the craziness that goes on here in the VRC and SS forums. Although I haven't been a victim.....yet, I still think some of it goes a bit far. With that said it was quite ironic that I read you post about suspension travel not 15 minutes before you posted here. I'm just glad you didn't totally leave the site after that experience and although your question was bit vague the first time I read it, still, it deserved a more informative answer. Hell, I had the same question some time ago and usually read when someone posts a similar thread. These guys will rip ya, but it's all good

    Damn! I crashed my own thread......OLD BIKES! Whew....back on topic lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    What are you talkin' about!? I answered his question after I made the funny.

    Yes you did....Mr Magnificent lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Totally. And a lot of people here do that too, seeking out their first mountain bike. Or still have their first mountain bike and want to find a way to keep it running. Sentimental ownership is a powerful thing.

    And if you like the bike, you like the bike...thats most important. But generally speaking, those threads don't get all that much attention or people excited. Those bikes are on every college campus in the US...if I want to see one, I'll go there. (tongue in cheek, but I know ur pickin' up what I'm puttin' down here).

    Yup. I gotcha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    everyone else got a better stage name than me

    boo!

    Btw PMH,

    They are only better stage names if you BELIEVE they are better.......he he.
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    Isn't it awesome that, when you add an actual sense of humor, "venom" becomes a joke that we can all laugh about?

    Humor gets a bad rap in this place - all the softies think it's someone being mean...

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    I guess humor IS the secret handshake of the VRC illuminati......

    should only take a dozen or so posts on the vrc to figure that out.

    for some I guess its not THAT obvious, and really what fun is it to have to spell it out? ooops.

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    Humor is humor, BS is BS...we all know the difference. Even us "softies"

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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    Humor is humor, BS is BS...we all know the difference. Even us "softies"
    No you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richieb
    Isn't it awesome that, when you add an actual sense of humor, "venom" becomes a joke that we can all laugh about?

    Humor gets a bad rap in this place - all the softies think it's someone being mean...
    Yup!

    Countless examples of that. If you can roll with the punches and take a laugh at your expense...you'll probably be just fine.
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    Just a recap since I'm so, um, flummoxed and impressed at the same time....

    Guy asks question about vanilla plain jane bike.

    Gets crap for it.

    Rolls with it, actually posts a good volley shot back.

    Gets answer he was looking for and pleasant conversation ensues.

    THEN.......

    Poor fella who just can't figure out that good advice can come in *interesting* packages (long time in the past now) posts conciliatory response to the OP, after all's well in the world.

    Wow. I guess baffled is a better word.

    All I can say is, blak_byke for mod!

    As for the bike, agreed, pretty much exactly what Rumpfy said. Kinda like collecting and coveting Chevy Citations......

    But if it was your first car, you might want one in the back of the barn for old times sake
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    All I can say is, blak_byke for mod!

    I think for now we are sticking with the current administration.

    It's at least a five year commission.

    Besides, didn't the past administration give you the keys to the helicopter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer
    Besides, didn't the past administration give you the keys to the helicopter.
    Don't remind me, Rumpfy still buzzes my shop in the dang thing, just trying to make me jealous I think.....
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    Its all about how the question is asked and how the OP reacts to the replies.
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    Haha! Choppers and staff/henchmen were a package deal with the previous administration. I'm retired though. Sort of. Merely a peeon now.
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    one nice things about the 850/950 Treks was lots of braze ons

    fenders racks and water bottles

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    Sign me up LOL! What this whole mod thing pay? The economy is kinda' jacked and you know.......

    Chevy Citations.....dang! Did you really have to go there? You brought back memories of my 79' Chevette. She was red with a gold stripe down the side. Kinda like the Redskins.....yeah I know we suck (let the bashing begin)

    I definitely get it about the Treks, It's truly personal. Sad thing is that I'm actually about to dump my Trek frame stash....930 (x 3), 970 and 990. Truth is that I didn't know about all of these boutique brands when I bought my Mongoose years ago and really couldn't afford them once I did learn about them. Fortunately I ended up with 3 Schwinn Homegrowns (still own one) and a GT Lightning during the process but have pretty much sold everything off because I ended up with two Jamis Dragons....nothing VRC though. Once again, none of these are boutique but great bikes nonetheless. I am going to keep the lugged 930 just to do a fun project with some time in the future.

    Yes there is some funny azz shyte that happens here but some rude retorts as well. I appreciate sarcasm like the next man or woman but do hate E-bullying when it goes down ....not saying that Momosgarage was being bullied. Part of me thinks that he was doing a little messing as well . My Grandmother used to say (insert Grandma' voice) "Some times you have to put on your thick skin baby". Either way, this site is a portal for all kinds of folks with views, thoughts and experiences on all kinds of bikes and we have a similar goal.....to enjoy them.

    Thousands of folks + two wheels = one purpose......RIDE! Too mushy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer
    I think for now we are sticking with the current administration.

    It's at least a five year commission.

    Besides, didn't the past administration give you the keys to the helicopter.

    RATZ!! Foiled again!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blak_byke
    Sign me up LOL! What this whole mod thing pay? The economy is kinda' jacked and you know.......

    Sad thing is that I'm actually about to dump my Trek frame stash....930 (x 3), 970 and 990.
    Oh, you get paid alright, Anytime a butterfly flaps it's wings, I get paid.

    I just knew this was a fishing expedition for pricing on your frames
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    Right?! Luckily he's a funny dude so no harm, no foul.

    I think, frankly, the regulars can spot weirdness a million miles away and just get cranky about it. For example, people gave absolutely great advice early on in the momo thread but the OP was so dismissive, it was downright rude. His claim that he was just going to keep at it until somebody passes out and THEN look at the helpful advice was enough to show his strange attitude toward the forum members. Do my work, minions, and then I'll reward you with no ride report, no follow up and absolutely no pictures. Lame.

    Anyhow, that's it! I'm done! Phew! I don't think I've met anybody with a Trek Stash before. They unfortunately, for their owners, don't sell for much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Oh, you get paid alright, Anytime a butterfly flaps it's wings, I get paid.

    I just knew this was a fishing expedition for pricing on your frames

    Fishing expedition? Naaaah not in the least, but I see why you would think so...my apologies. I respect the fact that this site needs revenue as well as patrons to continue to grow so I'm gonna TRY and stay in my lane and not fish.....too much.....to often.....to-day....j/k .

    I was just clearing out all of my other crap in the basement and wondered why I still have all my Trek frames. If I was fishing I would have asked about all the stuff that IS worth something to you guys. I just sold a whole bunch of stuff on Evilbay over the past couple of weeks ( full LX group, STX-RC group including wheels, M900 group and seatpost, M952 parts, XC Pro thumbies, Ritchie logic cranks, etc) and I still haven't mentioned the stuff that's on there now. There are a lot of commuters and schools in my area so getting rid of them shouldn't be a problem. In addition, I wrench a little for my church cycle group and a few want me to build them low cost rides so that they can ride as well. I'm such a good guy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike
    Right?! Luckily he's a funny dude so no harm, no foul.

    I think, frankly, the regulars can spot weirdness a million miles away and just get cranky about it. For example, people gave absolutely great advice early on in the momo thread but the OP was so dismissive, it was downright rude. His claim that he was just going to keep at it until somebody passes out and THEN look at the helpful advice was enough to show his strange attitude toward the forum members. Do my work, minions, and then I'll reward you with no ride report, no follow up and absolutely no pictures. Lame.

    Anyhow, that's it! I'm done! Phew! I don't think I've met anybody with a Trek Stash before. They unfortunately, for their owners, don't sell for much.
    You are so kind and I my sense of of humor takes me a loooong way because my biking skills sure won't lol. My stash was, admittedly, my weak attempt @ getting what I thought to be a quality bike.....and they truly are in my opinion. I'm definitely no purist as I probably won't, in the foreseeable future, do a period correct restoration, but I DO love looking @ you guy's rides. I'm more of a 'modern twist on a classic' kinda guy which is why I get excited about Misterdangerpants and others builds so much.

    I guess with all these bikes, if it's worth something to you......it's worth something.
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    His claim that he was just going to keep at it until somebody passes out and THEN look at the helpful advice was enough to show his strange attitude toward the forum members. Do my work, minions, and then I'll reward you with no ride report, no follow up and absolutely no pictures. Lame.
    ...and everybody is supposed to know about this unspoken etiquette consisting of "ride report, pictures and follow up". I don't work for you nor do you work for me. You don't have to post a reply, nor does the OP have to post a ride report, pictures or follow up.

    Like I or anyone else that hasn't been on the board for 5+ years is supposed to know this. Let me clue you in, there are no rewards on a forum. If you don't like the thread or the OP who started it, IGNORE IT. Seems pretty easy to do.

    Thanks "girlonbike the entertainer" for the tip, regarding yet another MTBR secret handshake.

    Have you passed out yet from being cranky about non-MTBR insider posts and threads?

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    like this one?
    Need: McMahon brake for roller cam mounts, Mountain Goat fork.

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    [QUOTE=momosgarage]Let me clue you in, there are no rewards on a forum.[QUOTE]

    The knowledge and camraderie gained with out being a pretentious a-hole is its own reward. A concept blak_byke gets and you obviously don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy
    like this one?

    MY MAN MY MAN!!

    I guess if I would have clicked "MORE" I would have seent it (yes I said seent)....DOH!


    Previous post Halo'd......
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    The knowledge and camraderie gained with out being a pretentious a-hole is its own reward. A concept blak_byke gets and you obviously don't.
    Are we now entering into conflict? I don't recall us having any issues. I only address those who attack first.

    Why incite a negative exchange?

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    Let me clue you in, there are no rewards on a forum.
    well, I got a reach around last week

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    Why incite a negative exchange?
    You really, truly just don't get it, do you?

    I'll get into this once, politely. You ask a question, and you get a variety of answers. Some aren't worth anything, but hey,no one is paying for advice, so ignore it.

    Others give advice, opinion, etc, in a very pleasant fashion, and if it doesn't jive with what you're looking for, you get obstinate, and argumentative, insisting they change their answer so it meets your objective.

    This is upsetting to the average bear. Rather than cry about how their feeling is hurt, they get snarky. Once the snark starts to flow, the snark sharks smell a feast, and you have, what you have now.

    Once the feast starts, others start paying attention. More often than not, they simply get annoyed by someone as aggressively interested in maintaining their cluelessness, and you get results like muddybuddy's post which you've taken notice of.

    Keep posting, I doubt very much you'll see an improvement unless you learn to chill out, take the advice given, use it if you like, ignore it if you don't.

    I'll even share a personal story of a forum adventure of my own. I had a timing belt done on my wifes car. Since I am very low on income this time of year, I made a few choices, which in hindsight, weren't very wise. I discovered this by going onto a forum about our type of car, and started asking questions. I was outside my comfort zone, and wasn't sure how things worked there. I got hammered. Many folks all telling me exactly what I didn't want to hear. I needed to do the job all over again or my wife would be driving a time bomb, with an engine rebuild at the end. I got defensive, quite sure they were just being mellow-dramatic and hyperbolic in their assessment. I even got a bit snarky, clinging to the fact that it would help. One of the more understanding members set me straight, telling me that they get this sort of thing all the time, very common question actually, and it really was the case, after all, I came to them for information, didn't I? (Oh, yeah, right....) He also informed me that being a jerk wasn't going to help anyone. Sounding familiar yet? The light went off in my head, I realized I was being, (effectively) you. I apologized, expressed that I was afraid of the inevitable, calmed down, asked a few more questions pleasantly, got the info I needed, and left. If I come back for something in the future, Im sure they'll all brace themselves a little bit, but since I regained my composure, apologized, and acted reasonably after that, I doubt I'll get a frosty welcome next time around.

    I really think your name is Kyle though.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by blak_byke
    my apologies.
    Chill mister, no apology required. I was kidding around

    If I don't use smilies, and sound pissed off, you know I mean it.

    FYI? STX RC doesn't excite us, at all

    Now that 9 series stuff? Hope you made something off it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Chill mister, no apology required. I was kidding around

    If I don't use smilies, and sound pissed off, you know I mean it.

    FYI? STX RC doesn't excite us, at all

    Now that 9 series stuff? Hope you made something off it!

    I understand I didn't take it to heart. After all, It wasn't a REAL apology, just one of those cyber thingies

    I was suprised that the STX-RC stuff went for the coin that it did and was so coveted by the buyer. The other stuff got me enough to do some repairs and a few upgrades (new turbo, intercooler, injectors and all the associated piping) to the Avant! Yes my car is getting old too.
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    I'm brave, and here is my Citation- Girlonbike is right, they aren't worth anything- this frame set me back $20!
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    Welcome! We like you already! Not bad for a couple of lattes.

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    Please do not tell anyone, but I own a Trek 850 also....

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    Another guy with a Trek Stash.

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    I don't think I've ever owned a Trek. I'm starting to feel like I'm missing out on something.
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    Get an old lugged 970 or a 990, they's pretty sweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y
    Get an old lugged 970 or a 990, they's pretty sweet.
    Yep, I'm a card carrying member of the lugged Trek club. Best frame Trek made? I've only got 20 years of service out of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blak_byke
    Why don't they have a cool factor to them? I mean they are good ol' American made True Temper steel frames right? They offer a great ride, hard to kill, and spec'd nicely for their time. Is it more or less because they come from a large manufacturer and not a boutique builder? I mean I know the welds look like crap but I can't see them when I ride so that doesn't bother me.

    I don't see a lot of them pop up here either restored or modernized so I was just curious.

    Any thoughts?
    I owned a 1996 Trek 970 with a beautiful red paint job. The welds look the way they do because of the "sequential" welding technique Trek was using at the time. It was a tad heavy (19" frame weighed 4.75lbs) and the fork sucked (Q-21R, replaced in 1997 with Judy SL) but it rode quite nice.

    Unfortunately it cracked at the un-gusseted downtube/headtube joint in 2000. Trek offered me a 8000 frame which I really didn't want. Then the rep offered me a Klein Mantra demo bike to ride and see if I wanted to get a supreme deal on (I was working at a Trek shop at the time). I didn't mind the Mantra but really wanted a steel frame hardtail. He finally found that they had a few 1998 Bontrager Privateer frames with 1 1/8" headtubes lying around so he gave me that as a replacement.

    The Bontrager was 1/2 lbs lighter and used OX2 tubes instead of the OX3 oversized tubes on the Trek. I like the ride more on the Bontrager, but the 970 was still a nice ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike
    Another guy with a Trek Stash.
    Stash, or fetish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    I am so sorry blak_byke, my name has been invoked and your thread is now condemned to not recieve any answers to your actual question. I will pray for you and hope the MTBR Vaudeville act of "post-modern hollister", "girlonbike the entertainer" and "Rumpfy the-magnificent" don't drive you to insanity for asking the wrong kind of question.
    being stubborn and spreading misinformation is not cool.. it has notihing to do w/ the bike but not knowing bike geometry and pretending to...
    just because you can post on the internet doen't make you interesting.
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    spreading misinformation is not cool..
    What statement of mine are you refuting?

    being stubborn and spreading misinformation is not cool.. it has notihing to do w/ the bike but not knowing bike geometry and pretending to...
    I await your analysis on early mountain bike geometry vs road bikes of the same era. I may have been told the wrong thing, but I am not talking about a bike post-1995. My question and observation still stands. But that in essence was why I asked a question in the first place. For you know... facts and clarification. I don't know how or why you ask questions, but thats why I ask them.

    just because you can post on the internet doen't make you interesting
    I am not trying to be interesting, just get a question answered. In this case it only got answered in conjunction with a string of mini fights. No skin off my back. If I bore you, ignore me. Pretty easy to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    If I bore you, ignore me. Pretty easy to do.


    hard to ignore stupidity

    but then again im sure your not like this in the 'real world'

    lucky us

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    What statement of mine are you refuting?



    I await your analysis on early mountain bike geometry vs road bikes of the same era. I may have been told the wrong thing, but I am not talking about a bike post-1995. My question and observation still stands. But that in essence was why I asked a question in the first place. For you know... facts and clarification. I don't know how or why you ask questions, but thats why I ask them.



    I am not trying to be interesting, just get a question answered. In this case it only got answered in conjunction with a string of mini fights. No skin off my back. If I bore you, ignore me. Pretty easy to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y
    Get an old lugged 970 or a 990, they's pretty sweet.

    They are indeed, along with Prestige Stumpjumper's ,Avalanche's, Montana teams etc, nothing wrong with these bikes if you are interested in quality riders. Are they cool with the collectors, not so much. If you want to talk sacrilege how about a GT Avalanche with a rigid Trek fork or a Stumpjumper with a Surly 1X 1 rigid fork ..........

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    I just sold my '93 lugged 970. Not the lightest kid on the block, but pretty impossible to destroy and fairly classy looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy
    I don't think I've ever owned a Trek. I'm starting to feel like I'm missing out on something.
    I own two (imagine this being said with the same inflection of 'I have a rash'). While neither is V, R, or C, one is a 520 with five states under its belt.

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    [QUOTE=muddybuddy][QUOTE=momosgarage]Let me clue you in, there are no rewards on a forum.

    The knowledge and camraderie gained with out being a pretentious a-hole is its own reward. A concept blak_byke gets and you obviously don't.

    F'in amen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by H_Tuttle
    well, I got a reach around last week

    You're welcome.
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    Sad.....so so very sad.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Stash, or fetish?

    Some weird fetish I guess



    Here is a mock up of the 970.......



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    Quote Originally Posted by blak_byke
    Some weird fetish I guess

    Diggin' that pink 930, don't recall seeing that color before. Must have been following Specializeds lead with their pink Team Stumpy....
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    As long as this has turned into a "Show me" thread, I'll throw my '92 950 into the frey. Although not unique, rare, or exotic; it is rugged, great riding with, dare I say, classic good looks. I remember getting quite a bit of respect with this bike bitd and you couldn't get a better ride for under $500. Even now, If you want a VRC bike on a budget, is there a better choice than the LUGGED 900 series frame? Anyway, I bought mine new and have had it ever since. It has been raced, toured, used as a commuter, pulled the Burley, used to train for triathlons and a grocery getter. I think I have been convinced to make it a cross bike next. Point is, for 20 years it has served me in its original configuration (almost). Actually after this picture was taken I stripped it and will rebuild it. There was some rust starting to take hold where the paint had been lost. Was a little sad removing that "Black Forest Green".


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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Diggin' that pink 930, don't recall seeing that color before. Must have been following Specializeds lead with their pink Team Stumpy....
    Yeah she's stripped to the bare metal now. Gonna do something funky with it. Maybe paint it with the lugs a contrasting color and some fat tires for paved trail use.
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    I'll admit to a soft spot for steel Treks. I would have kept this '89 950 if it was a bit larger:
    <a href="http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u92/epicurean_rider/?action=view&amp;current=Trek950after-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u92/epicurean_rider/Trek950after-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    ...and this '94 970 may or may not have been owned by a wealthy executive.
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    Love that 970!!!
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    people here see them as the early 90's accords and civics as said above very cheap and easy to find but surprisingly very reliable and long lasting. these bikes to them aren't like a cuda or a Gto to car guys. what we own is just dirt to them
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    Nuck, I'd tell ya you sound like you have a chip on your shoulder if I didn't think you'd bite my nose off.
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    So it's not as cool as my old Yeti ARC... meh but this 930 pulls the $hiat out of a kiddie trailer.... in all of it's purple/green/blue glory
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    Rumpfy has it bad for STX SE, though...he's the first to admit it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by knottshore
    So it's not as cool as my old Yeti ARC... meh but this 930 pulls the $hiat out of a kiddie trailer.... in all of it's purple/green/blue glory

    I remember seeing yours in a post a while back. I love that matte purple and green paint scheme!

    I'm definitely feeling the old school steel Trek love.......that reeeaaally doesn't sound right. They should be billed as blue collar VRC's.
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    Here is my Trek 930 SS Rat Bike that I just threw together for my son at College. Parts are from at least 6 or 7 bikes. I do not have a clue what year it is.
    Stripped the frame down to Raw and Urethaned it. Especially love the brass solder too.
    Planning to put a rear derailleur on it eventually, but for now this works.
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    The accord/civic analogy is right on. Nothing sexy about them, but they are great riders.

    I picked up a 950 someone converted to SS by having horizontal drops welded on and repainted it. Paid $65 bucks for the frame, and it rides great.

    Would I have paid that much $ to convert that frame? No way, but for what I paid for it, it's a great rider/loaner/SS.

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    Damn this is a tough crowd. I sometimes wonder if you guys mock the neighborhood kids for their Huffy's.

    Anyway, here is my recently SS converted 1995 930.


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    Quote Originally Posted by prcharlie
    I sometimes wonder if you guys mock the neighborhood kids for their Huffy's.
    Huffy's aren't worthy of mockery. I wouldn't even let my kid be seen on one of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prcharlie
    Damn this is a tough crowd. I sometimes wonder if you guys mock the neighborhood kids for their Huffy's.
    Glad you're having fun with it.

    Kids on Huffys is great. None here will say otherwise. A kid on a bike (any bike), simply rules.

    I would ask this though.

    If you were to check out a forum about older sports cars, and post a pic about your 89 Civic that you dropped a 350 big block into, do you think it'd get much traction or admiration?

    I think you get my drift.

    It's not that they suck, it's that they aren't what we, as a collective group, come here to chat about. Just because it has two wheels and isn't new, doesn't mean it'll be universally loved by all old bike nuts.

    Some of us are simply more openly opinionated than others....
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    Tons of great take-aways in that last post.

    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith

    It's not that they suck, it's that they aren't what we, as a collective group, come here to chat about. Just because it has two wheels and isn't new, doesn't mean it'll be universally loved by all old bike nuts.
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    This is great! This thread turned into more than I thought it would......


    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    If you were to check out a forum about older sports cars, and post a pic about your 89 Civic that you dropped a 350 big block into, do you think it'd get much traction or admiration?

    I think you get my drift.
    So so true but man......that would be a fun and interesting ride! Kinda' like the 302 powered Monster Miata

    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    It's not that they suck, it's that they aren't what we, as a collective group, come here to chat about. Just because it has two wheels and isn't new, doesn't mean it'll be universally loved by all old bike nuts.

    Some of us are simply more openly opinionated than others....
    So outside of limited production, hand built by MTB legends, nice lines, build techniques, ride/feel, winning heritage, etc....what, for the masses, dictates a true VRC? Also, what of todays bikes would you consider instant classics or future classics? Include 'mass' produced bikes too if they also fit the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
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    If you were to check out a forum about older sports cars, and post a pic about your 89 Civic that you dropped a 350 big block into, do you think it'd get much traction or admiration?
    You might get traction out of that since 350's are small blocks............

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    Quote Originally Posted by blak_byke
    So outside of limited production, hand built by MTB legends, nice lines, build techniques, ride/feel, winning heritage, etc....what, for the masses, dictates a true VRC? Also, what of todays bikes would you consider instant classics or future classics? Include 'mass' produced bikes too if they also fit the bill.

    Pretty loaded question...and one that really doesn't have a true answer since everyone has a different opinion on the matter. If you read the new user sticky at the top of the VRC forum, there's a bunch of general info on the subject and some links to other related threads on the topic. Essentially this gets rehashed every so often and ultimately its a collection of all our thoughts on the subject.

    How's that for an answer without giving you an answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Smedley
    You might get traction out of that since 350's are small blocks............
    Sorry, late to the party, had a flat wheel on my bike which caused me to crash, thus twisting my goose neck....
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    So so true but man......that would be a fun and interesting ride! Kinda' like the 302 powered Monster Miata

    My friend Ralph had a 302 in a Pinto in high School. That was crazy !@#$...
    One of the fastest, and scariest rides I have ever been in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hegstad1
    As long as this has turned into a "Show me" thread, I'll throw my '92 950 into the frey. Although not unique, rare, or exotic; it is rugged, great riding with, dare I say, classic good looks. I remember getting quite a bit of respect with this bike bitd and you couldn't get a better ride for under $500. Even now, If you want a VRC bike on a budget, is there a better choice than the LUGGED 900 series frame? Anyway, I bought mine new and have had it ever since. It has been raced, toured, used as a commuter, pulled the Burley, used to train for triathlons and a grocery getter. I think I have been convinced to make it a cross bike next. Point is, for 20 years it has served me in its original configuration (almost). Actually after this picture was taken I stripped it and will rebuild it. There was some rust starting to take hold where the paint had been lost. Was a little sad removing that "Black Forest Green".

    I had what appears to be that exact machine (but a 930) from about '94 till two years ago, sold it to a college kid on craigslist for $175. Loved that deep green metalflake, used to polish it with auto wax every month or so. They can't be too disrespected, he said he was looking for that exact bike and was thrilled he found it. In 14 years all I did to it was put on a chain and a cassette toward the end. In that time period I also bought (And sold) a Jamis Dakar Sport. I was riding mostly urban, hated it. How can a bike be both droopy-flexy AND jarring at the same time? The Trek's steel lugged frame was perfect. I do the ti hardtail thing now, see profile pic if ya care.

    (reveals embarrassing secret, when I first got the 930 used about 2 years old, I looked at the big chainring and noticed some of the teeth were higher and others lower than the others. I was concerned and got out my trusty dremel and proceeded to level the whole thing out as much as I could, lowering the valleys on some and the points on others. wonder why I only destroyed one chain and cassette)
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    You know what , pay no attention to these guys who obviously have the dreaded “ small penis syndrome “….. The 900 series from Trek are outstanding bicycles . Now that Trek isn't producing these frames anymore , make them even more desirable .

    Try getting a new , American made ( by hand ) , steel frame ( no fork ) for under $1,500 nowadays …..... in fact , try getting one at any price .

    My 1994 930 now has upgraded LX / XT shifters and drive train with new speed springs / Risse gem 75mm travel upgrade :

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVG 99
    Try getting a new , American made ( by hand ) , steel frame ( no fork ) for under $1,500 nowadays …..... in fact , try getting one at any price .
    You can't find steel bikes made in the US at any price?
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    Seriously, do we need to make a list of current builders working with steel?

    Under a grand might be hard to come by, but I know a local and well respected builder, Russ Denny, was recently offering his welded steel frames for under $900 to participants in the local endurance series.
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    If you want builders who've been active since vintage days, Curtlo and Teesdale still make awesome frames for well under $1500.
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    He said you can't find steel frames made in the US at all. We could go on and list hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of people making steel frames today in the US. Everyone from Sacha White, Doug Curtis to Paul Sadoff to the hundreds of guys and even girls like Natalie Ramsland of Sweetpea Bicycles. Saying it doesn't exist is a disservice to all of their hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muddybuddy
    Under a grand might be hard to come by, but I know a local and well respected builder, Russ Denny, was recently offering his welded steel frames for under $900 to participants in the local endurance series.
    Hmmmm , I'd rather purchase a complete Trek 930 / 950 / 970 / 990 for a few hundy and still have plenty left over for component upgrades , shoes , glasses , helmet , shirt , bibs , gloves , etc ...

    Seriously, do we need to make a list of current builders working with steel?

    Ummmm , no . ...... If we were discussing custom builders - sure , but we are talking about factory-made Treks with production quantities much higher ( hence , more available and affordable ) than custom craftsman …... hell , I'd love a Ted Wojcik masterpiece .

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike
    He said you can't find steel frames made in the US at all.
    Ummm , that's not what I said .......

    Let me re-phrase it : try finding a new , mass produced , american made , steel framed bike for under 3K .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVG 99
    Ummm , that's not what I said .......

    Let me re-phrase it : try finding a new , mass produced , american made , steel framed bike for under 3K .
    Gunnar.
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    Yep , boutique stuff for sure …... So your'e putting the Trek 900 series in the same class ? ( I mean , you are comparing the two )....... Kudos to the Treks .

    Blak Byke , is that brown beauty for sale ?

    Girlonbike, what makes you think I'm a “ He “ anyway ? …. just wondering .

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    A better polemic would be "mass-produced for under $1,000." For under 3k you can easily get a complete bike from most of the builders people mentioned--often far less. Why do you care if it is mass produced?

    What is "mass-produced" in America anyway?
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
    And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD5h3y0a9AU

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    Yep , good point .

    There's a difference between 2,000 and 200,000 ….. Gunnar is definitely custom . Just the selection of of frames and components is dizzzying = custom .

    Mass produced = affordable .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVG 99

    Mass produced = affordable .
    your search skills, they aren't so good
    looking for 20-21" P team

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    Both bikes are supposed to be 1989s, bought them to cut up and make a tandem. Both bikes being the same model (though different sized) made the buy attractive. But now I might be doing something else...

    This was going to be the rear cockpit. I have the seatpost and original seat. But using the seat on my Fisher Hoo-Koo-E-Koo...


    This one was going to be the front. Thumb shifters are broken and I took the rear brakes for a mid 90s Trek 820. Otherwise, this bike is complete.

    Neither bike would fit me as a single, so not sure what I'm going to do with them. yet.

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    Just to drive you guys nuts





    Frame: 1992 Trek 950
    Fork: Rock Shox Mag 21
    Rims: Matrix Swami
    Hubs: XTR m900
    Quick Release: XTR m900
    Tires: Panaracer Timbuk II
    Pedals: XT 730
    Crank: XTR m900 (polished with new decals)
    Chain: none
    Rear Cogs: XTR m900
    Bottom Bracket: Tioga
    Front Derailleur: XTR m900
    Rear Derailleur: XTR m900
    Shifters: XRT m900
    Handlebars: Titec
    Grips: Ritchey True Grip
    Stem: Matrix
    Headset: XT 730
    Brake set: XTR m900
    Brake levers: XTR m900
    Saddle: Flite Titanium
    Seat Post: XTR m910
    Paint: None
    Size: 18"

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    Quote Originally Posted by hegstad1
    Just to drive you guys nuts

    \Frame: 1992 Trek 950
    Fork: Rock Shox Mag 21
    Rims: Matrix Swami
    Hubs: XTR m900
    Quick Release: XTR m900
    Tires: Panaracer Timbuk II
    Pedals: XT 730
    Crank: XTR m900 (polished with new decals)
    Chain: none
    Rear Cogs: XTR m900
    Bottom Bracket: Tioga
    Front Derailleur: XTR m900
    Rear Derailleur: XTR m900
    Shifters: XRT m900
    Handlebars: Titec
    Grips: Ritchey True Grip
    Stem: Matrix
    Headset: XT 730
    Brake set: XTR m900
    Brake levers: XTR m900
    Saddle: Flite Titanium
    Seat Post: XTR m910
    Paint: None
    Size: 18"
    Might be the best Trek I've seen short of the WTB team Treks.
    -eric-

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