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    Lets see your klunkers

    The "Joe Breeze, Repack" style klunkers that were built from the old Schwinns, Columbia, etc.
    Im in the process of building one, maybe (if you guys dont mind of course) I could get some ideas, plus it would be cool to see what some of you people have built

    I'll be using this frame and will probably use the existing paint theme on my build
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    So,
    What exactly do you have there?
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    I dont know really. There isnt much info on the Princeton bicycle. I was told back in old days (prewar), Schwinn made private label frames for many brands. It looks identical to a Schwinn Excelsior from what Ive seen, but other that that, very little knowledge of the frame.

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    Don't get too caught up on headbadges. Probably not the best way to identify an old frame. Ask these dudes exactly what you've got:

    http://thecabe.com/vbulletin/index.php

    Do a little search here on vrc key work- klunker or clunker. you will find some cool projects.....
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    Princetons were made by the DP Harris Manufacturing Co. Their main line of bikes was Rollfast.
    Many people make the mistake of thinking that an Excelsior, or a Princeton was a specific frame/model. This was not the case. Bike dealers could choose which badges came on the bikes from certain manufacturers. For example, if you were a Rollfast/DP Harris dealer, and you were near Princeton University, you could have ordered all of your bikes with Princeton head badges. From the 20 inch wheeled girls bike all the way up. Same thing with Excelsior, having come with an Excelsior badge does not indicate what model Schwinn bike it is. Schwinn's first 26 inch balloon tire bike was called the B 10E, I happen to have 2 B10Es that both came with Excelsior badges, but B10Es came with many different badges, I probably have at least 20 different badges. If you were an Ace hardware dealer, you could have had B10E Aces with even the name of your town on the badge too. I have long been waiting to find that San Rafael Ace head badge that a friend said he would trade me. I hope that you keep that Princeton frame as a single speed with a coaster brake.
    One Speed Is All You Need!
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    One more thing. If you would rather have your bike be a Yale, I have a NOS badge that can sell you. I'm bummed that they never made UCLA badges. Go Bruins!
    Chris

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    being from princeton, n.j., i love this. and i'm sure all you guys and gals know the oldest bike shop in the USA is located in princeton. it's Kopps Cycle Shop.

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    Mystery Frame Klunker

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    i love the sturmey coaster brake.

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    Could that be a Champion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by den haag
    i love the sturmey coaster brake.
    Thanks. 3-speed rear drum hub; drum brake in the front.

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    unfortunately not

    Quote Originally Posted by fat tire trader
    Could that be a Champion?
    Chris
    It's a unique frame, but I've never been able to find out who manufactured it.

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    I have a copy of a Decline magazine where there profiled the Klunkerz movie and Joe Breeze, in which they had a picture of his Excelsior. I was thinking duplicating as close to his bike as possible. his bike has a Sturmey-Archer 3 spd hub with a coaster brake and a front drum brake. I will be looking for something similar to that set up. Im in the process of fabricating my own fork brace.
    One qustion I do have, it looks like the seatpost diameter is 5/8" what to do on that I have not figured yet.

    I was born in Patterson, NJ, so maybe it my destiny to find and rebuild this frame which of course is named after a city and university in NJ.
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    Thats what I would like to see, everyones pictures of their klunkers. I appreciate the help that some provided regarding the background of my frame though.

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    just incase anyone had missed it, theres a lot of clunker/ cruisers on this thread
    The Cruiser Thread

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    My first Klunker:

    Second:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff
    I have a copy of a Decline magazine where there profiled the Klunkerz movie and Joe Breeze, in which they had a picture of his Excelsior. I was thinking duplicating as close to his bike as possible. his bike has a Sturmey-Archer 3 spd hub with a coaster brake and a front drum brake. I will be looking for something similar to that set up. Im in the process of fabricating my own fork brace.
    One qustion I do have, it looks like the seatpost diameter is 5/8" what to do on that I have not figured yet.

    I was born in Patterson, NJ, so maybe it my destiny to find and rebuild this frame which of course is named after a city and university in NJ.

    Like this one:
    Lets see your klunkers-joeb_41dx01m.jpg

    Look here:

    http://clunkers.net/joeb_41dx.html

    The idea of riding on steel wheels is a little too much for me. Have fun.

    Newer three speed with coaster setup:

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    oldschoolcolo, I still think that it might have been made by Champion. Champion is the only company that I ever saw back then to make frames with"Pro Cruiser" style center tubes, like this bmx frame http://www.bmxnonstop.com/oldschool/champ77.htm

    To everyone else,
    Things to consider when converting your old bike.
    #1 Five speed hubs are wider than one speed coaster brakes, so to have a nice set up, the rear spacing needs to be increased. The way that I did this back then was by removing both bridges, cold setting the frame to the proper dropout spacing, then installing new wider bridges. If you don't do this, installing the rear wheel is difficult, and the frame may eventually crack from the strain of being flexed wider than it was designed to be. This is one reason why I recommend that you guys stick with coaster brakes, both Morrow and Bendix are very good.
    #2 Drum brakes barely work, if you want hand brakes, I recommend brazing on cantilever brakes, Mafac, Weinmann, or Dia Comp, they work a lot better. If you want your drum brake to work better, use a very stiff lever like Magura or Tomasselli, or early MTB levers like Shimano.
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    [QUOTE=fat tire trader]oldschoolcolo, I still think that it might have been made by Champion. Champion is the only company that I ever saw back then to make frames with"Pro Cruiser" style center tubes, like this bmx frame http://www.bmxnonstop.com/oldschool/champ77.htm

    A couple of those frames are around. On all the old school bmx sites, no one has been able to identify them for a couple years now. I support the theory that aliens dropped it off here from outer space. I think Champion has already been scratched off the possibility list. I don't think they ever did looptails either.

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    Now thats what Im talking about. Thats what I want to do with mine. I have no plans to race Repack on it, or even ride it offroad for that matter. I starting riding mountain bikes back in 1982 and have always loved the history of the sport. I just want a bada$$ cruiser thats really more show than go.

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    Let's see the B10E's....

    Quote Originally Posted by fat tire trader
    I happen to have 2 B10Es
    Please post pictures of the B10E's. It's one of two bikes on my current wish list. Can't get enough of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy
    Please post pictures of the B10E's. It's one of two bikes on my current wish list. Can't get enough of them.

    TCN
    And the Pro Cruiser. Pics of the Pro Cruiser too please.

    26" Champions came in three different frame styles from the late 70's to early 80's.
    first:

    Attachment 575932

    Double Downtube second:

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    And then the one that most resembles the Lawill Pro Cruiser, Third:

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    None of them are the same as the famous bike without a maker frame...
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    A little background.

    fat tire trader is a longtime friend who bought a Ritchey from me when he was still in high school, and the bikes cost as much as a couple of cheap cars. If you check out his profile photo, he's on the Ritchey on the starting line at Repack at either the 1983 or 1984 races, the first NORBA-sanctioned downhills ever to take place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat tire trader
    oldschoolcolo, I still think that it might have been made by Champion. Champion is the only company that I ever saw back then to make frames with"Pro Cruiser" style center tubes, like this bmx frame http://www.bmxnonstop.com/oldschool/champ77.htm
    Panda did some with a middle bar, in the Champion fashion. Not saying this is a Panda, the welds are too nice. jk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    A little background.

    fat tire trader is a longtime friend who bought a Ritchey from me when he was still in high school, and the bikes cost as much as a couple of cheap cars. If you check out his profile photo, he's on the Ritchey on the starting line at Repack at either the 1983 or 1984 races, the first NORBA-sanctioned downhills ever to take place.

    So C,
    How many of us would have grovelled for one of your magical bicycles before you found one of us with enough cash to actually afford to buy. I imagine for every bike you sold, there must have been another dozen people trying to justify and save up for the price of a bike matching the cost of a two year old Pinto wagon with only 11k miles on it.
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    The Champion in the first picture with the single down tube was a prototype and not mass produced for public consumption. The first production version was the dual down tube model. The mystery bike is cool but it is not a Champion product. Panda would make a lot more sense as the elements of the bike were used on various Panda models but the build quality and detailing just don't match up. The mystery lives on!

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    Looptail - used by Panda
    Double top tube - used by Panda
    Middlle tube - Panda
    crappy welds - Panda used crappy welds on the 3 bar cruiser they made
    How are the welds on the mystery bike?
    That bike screams Panda to me. At least the Panda factory.
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    the welds are nice

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyMTB
    Looptail - used by Panda
    Double top tube - used by Panda
    Middlle tube - Panda
    crappy welds - Panda used crappy welds on the 3 bar cruiser they made
    How are the welds on the mystery bike?
    That bike screams Panda to me. At least the Panda factory.
    I emailed the owner of Panda thru bmxmuseum.com and he said it was not one of his.

    A serial #1521 is stamped on the underside of the bb.

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    My friend who owns the LBS where I do my business picked up this baby recently in a trade, in this exact condition. I trust he'll do something interesting with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    My friend who owns the LBS where I do my business picked up this baby recently in a trade, in this exact condition. I trust he'll do something interesting with it.
    I know it would be real interesting if he sent it to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyMTB
    I know it would be real interesting if he sent it to me.
    I want the one behind it too! I took the boy out for a ride yesterday. Fully loaded with the kid and I you are looking at about 320 pounds. Hills suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts
    I want the one behind it too!
    The Steve Potts with the camo paint job, mustache bars, roller-cam brakes, Type I fork and the rack on the back? That goes in another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff
    I have a copy of a Decline magazine where there profiled the Klunkerz movie and Joe Breeze, in which they had a picture of his Excelsior. I was thinking duplicating as close to his bike as possible. his bike has a Sturmey-Archer 3 spd hub with a coaster brake and a front drum brake. I will be looking for something similar to that set up. Im in the process of fabricating my own fork brace.
    One qustion I do have, it looks like the seatpost diameter is 5/8" what to do on that I have not figured yet.

    I was born in Patterson, NJ, so maybe it my destiny to find and rebuild this frame which of course is named after a city and university in NJ.

    if it's the famous breeze excelsior aemmer posted the the photo of i believe it's sporting a bendix 2 speed. the pioneers on here will know, but it seems i read years ago they didn't care much for the s-a 3 speeds (?).

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    Sturmey 3 speeds don't hold up to the abuse, bendix 2 sp. kickbacks are ok, but one gear runs a little rough, Morrow 1 sp coasters are the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fat tire trader
    Sturmey 3 speeds don't hold up to the abuse, bendix 2 sp. kickbacks are ok, but one gear runs a little rough, Morrow 1 sp coasters are the best.
    chris ioakimedes
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    1- that's what i thought i'd read

    2- +1

    3- everybody knows that.....

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    have you 'CABED' the princeton yet?

    aemmer's suggestion was spot on- do a little intro of yourself and your project, post a good straight side view, some shots of the joints (doesn't look like they have the lead fillets of prewar schwinns), bb underside, and seatstay bridge. with any luck phil (rms37) will see your post and chime in. while nearly everybody can id a prewar schwinn, phil is rarely stumped on even the most obscure stuff!

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    Might be too new??
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    one of these things is not like the others
    looking for 20-21" P team

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    Not as fancy as most here, but it is a fun rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister
    one of these things is not like the others
    Crap, I suck at this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    My friend who owns the LBS where I do my business picked up this baby recently in a trade, in this exact condition. I trust he'll do something interesting with it.

    I have one of those (frame only) currently in the bushes in my back yard! It is the most busted up frame I have ever seen. It's also worth fixing so one of these days I'll dig it out and send it off to be brought back to life. I've got the fork as well but that gets to live in the garage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxcollector
    I have one of those (frame only) currently in the bushes in my back yard! It is the most busted up frame I have ever seen. It's also worth fixing so one of these days I'll dig it out and send it off to be brought back to life. I've got the fork as well but that gets to live in the garage!

    P.S. Is there a reason the stem is on backwards????

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    Since I do occasionally remove the lights and hit the trails with this goose, I'll post it with the clunkers.
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    wheelbender6... more info please... Cool looking bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat tire trader
    Sturmey 3 speeds don't hold up to the abuse, bendix 2 sp. kickbacks are ok, but one gear runs a little rough, Morrow 1 sp coasters are the best.
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    Why pick one? ;-)

    Morrow:


    Bendix (lever action...made in USA by Eclipse Machine IE might as well be a Morrow):


    Union (OK cheating - not a coaster brake):
    ...strictly downhill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff
    I have a copy of a Decline magazine where there profiled the Klunkerz movie and Joe Breeze, in which they had a picture of his Excelsior. I was thinking duplicating as close to his bike as possible. his bike has a Sturmey-Archer 3 spd hub with a coaster brake and a front drum brake.
    Joe's 40-41 DX used a Bendix lever action 2-speed in back with every other tooth ground off the sprocket to run 1" pitch chain and 52T "Sweetheart" front ring. Front drum was a pre war Schwinn Fore Brake. He still bombs it down Repack from time to time...just a long hike to start with ;-) Here's some pics I took of it a few years ago.



    ...strictly downhill...

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    DiamondBack Racing frame. I think its early 90s, not really sure. Actually, if anyone can tell anything from the picture about this bike, I'd love some more information.

    I bought the frame and fork off a guy and used the parts off an old cannondale I bought in the pawn shop with a siezed up mono shock in the front.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonnyd3487/5179203667/" title="dbr2 by wtfmate3487, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/5179203667_07898c8bcd.jpg" width="500" height="299" alt="dbr2" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonnyd3487/5179203665/" title="dbr1 by wtfmate3487, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1302/5179203665_12bbe31dde.jpg" width="500" height="299" alt="dbr1" /></a>

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    Canadian Klunks...





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    My uber-budge klunk

    Here's a mock up of my project. I hope to have it done and cruising by the end of the week if responsibility doesn't get in the way. 90% of it came out of my random parts pile. Estimated cost around $100 if you include the random parts. If not, $14.


    P.S., if someone has a cheap double clamp BMX/MX stem, it really needs one of those to pull it together.

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    indianadave - My goose is neo-klunker with the modern aluminum frame, but has some retro stuff on it. I bought the 7005 Mongoose Zuma frame at a swap meet in Tucson. The paint was trashed, so I repainted it but preserved the original decals that remain on the seat tube. It also has a cool Mongoose head badge.
    The front drum brake is an Arai from Ebay. The rear drum (Shimano roller) hub takes a 6 speed cassette and also came from EBay. Adventure Bikes in Mesa, AZ laced the drum hubs to alloy rims. .
    An axle mounted rear derailleur also adds to the klunker look. The Suntour fork and suspension seatpost are very non-klunkerish, but I did want to enjoy the trails some.
    Similar frames like the KHS Brentwood and Specialized Shark make good neo-klunkers

    I posted a pic of the other side of the bike to show the rear drum brake.
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    What brand is the first photo (red & white) bike? The frame, color and graphics look very similar to my Princeton that is posted at the top

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff
    What brand is the first photo (red & white) bike? The frame, color and graphics look very similar to my Princeton that is posted at the top
    Mine is a Sunshine...made in Waterloo, Ontario.


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    I like it!
    I was'nt sure what color to paint mine, but I think Im going with the original dark red/ white paint scheme, very much like yours .
    Im currently in the process of making my own fork brace, please send more photos of yours if you can.
    I will post pictures as the build goes on, but I have a lot of parts still to find, I need/ want a front drum brake, 3 spd rear hub w/ coaster brake and some rims, dont know which kind yet.

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    Never been sure on the exact year and model of this Excelsior badged frame. looks like a late 30's B but has a much shorter seat collar area and the clamp goes through the rear stay tops. I think it has broken at some point and had the top cut off and holes drilled through the stays to clamp the post. Interestingly it came from Northern California and had already had the rear drop outs widened to 126mm., the original bridges had cracked under the strain and I replaced them when I added the canti mounts.
    Colour is a 1970s Piaggio scooter colour and has a great red pearl laquer over the top.

    Good luck with your project. These bikes are great fun to build and ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff
    I have a copy of a Decline magazine where there profiled the Klunkerz movie and Joe Breeze, in which they had a picture of his Excelsior. I was thinking duplicating as close to his bike as possible. his bike has a Sturmey-Archer 3 spd hub with a coaster brake and a front drum brake. I will be looking for something similar to that set up. Im in the process of fabricating my own fork brace.
    One qustion I do have, it looks like the seatpost diameter is 5/8" what to do on that I have not figured yet.

    I was born in Patterson, NJ, so maybe it my destiny to find and rebuild this frame which of course is named after a city and university in NJ.
    Check this out. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...6&l=2436a97a0a
    I live just down the street from where Joe's bike is being displayed and I took a few pics of it's components.
    I hope this helps.

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    I got an email from an English magazine that wants a photo of a representative klunker, but I used all of mine up a long time ago, and I don't build them now. PM if you're close (you know where I am) and have a clean bike for the photo shoot. I'm looking for something with drum brakes if possible.

    Edit: update. That didn't take long. The position is filled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hegstad1
    I'm tempted to pick up this 1937 Colson

    I have an identical frame/fork. Mine was sold as a LaSalle, also a '37.

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    Well she is finished (for now) and here is the breakdown..
    1939 BF Goodrich streamliner frame OG paint
    Truss rod fork with cycle lock year unknown
    Rims are rhino lites laced to New Departure WW2 blackout hubs with Kenda small block 8 tires (2.35)
    NOS Schwinn inch pitch chain with sweetheart sprocket and 1936 dogleg crank
    Campy record seat binder with 6061 bar stock seat post
    Brooks professional saddle (Van's limited edition)
    Postwar Merlin titanium stem
    Postwar Race Face Evolve XC bars

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    Sweet rides. I am making a few post to get my total up so I can post some pictures.

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    Aren't there 20 other klunker threads on here?

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/17534977@N00/4975420763/" title="1952 Schwinn Klunker by Paul de Valera, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/4975420763_2616c9a24c.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="1952 Schwinn Klunker"></a>

    before I beat the crap out of it.

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    Working on a Klunker project - ill post pics soon

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    and a 1952 ...
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    This thread is making me crazy for a Klunker. Any advice for tall guys? I built two Klunker-style city cruisers in the 90s but I could never get comfortable (6'2" long legs). Certain brands? Seatposts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctifusion View Post
    This thread is making me crazy for a Klunker. Any advice for tall guys? I built two Klunker-style city cruisers in the 90s but I could never get comfortable (6'2" long legs). Certain brands? Seatposts?
    I'm 6'2" with a 35" inseam, here's my '36 Shelby clunker. It was the largest prewar frame I could find, and you can see by the amount of seat post (6061 solid round stock) that it's still barely big enough. Whatever, it works, and according to Joe Breeze, Gary Fisher's first clunker was also Shelby Traveler (CK can confirm?) so I assume these frames are pre-approved for Repack use.




    Its maiden voyage was at a place called Elfin Forest in north San Diego county (no elves or forest, they lied). Rode up and then back down this to break it in without any problems so it's good to go. Maybe I'll take it to Keyesville this year...



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    Here's some Klunkers in action at the Coaster Brake Challenge:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/17534977@N00/6622790311/" title="Coaster Brake Challenge Series 7, Race 1 by Paul de Valera, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7157/6622790311_792202350c.jpg" width="333" height="500" alt="Coaster Brake Challenge Series 7, Race 1"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/17534977@N00/6616134265/" title="Coaster Brake Challenge #7 race 1 by Paul de Valera, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7033/6616134265_d7f0f49e33.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Coaster Brake Challenge #7 race 1"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/17534977@N00/6650643767/" title="Coaster Brake Chalenge 7, Race #1 by Paul de Valera, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6650643767_c5ea8d7e4f.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Coaster Brake Chalenge 7, Race #1"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/17534977@N00/6650643893/" title="Coaster Brake Chalenge 7, Race #1 by Paul de Valera, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6650643893_4a35c4d358.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Coaster Brake Chalenge 7, Race #1"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/17534977@N00/6650648613/" title="Coaster Brake Chalenge 7, Race #1 by Paul de Valera, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6650648613_3cedf9f1f9.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Coaster Brake Chalenge 7, Race #1"></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctifusion View Post
    This thread is making me crazy for a Klunker. Any advice for tall guys? I built two Klunker-style city cruisers in the 90s but I could never get comfortable (6'2" long legs). Certain brands? Seatposts?
    Here are mine. I'm 6'00" with a 34" inseam. I also used solid 6061 for the seatposts.

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    Thanks Anomie, very very cool. Glad to have a tall frame reference so I can begin my search.

    I'm new to this forum (been at bikeforums C&V for many years) and it's really great to get so many new ideas from all you guys, thanks!

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    J Westy, That's about exactly my size, nice to see what a build would look like that fits.

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    I have a 48 Hawthorne that has a 19" seat tube, you may want to look at those as well.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/17534977@N00/2208187812/" title="hawthorne02 by Paul de Valera, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2288/2208187812_f7919b7cf3.jpg" width="301" height="500" alt="hawthorne02"></a>

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    Helmet cam shot from today's ride
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctifusion View Post
    J Westy, That's about exactly my size, nice to see what a build would look like that fits.
    My 41 Excelsior has an 18 inch seat tube from the BB to the top and a top tube of 22 inches. By comparison my 36 Mercury has a 19 inch bb and a 23 inch top tube. You can see the difference in how long my post is on the bikes. I am just 5'10 though so both bikes fit me nice. It seems the Schwinns were marketed towards younger riders. I doubt you will find a Mercury though. I love mine so much I have been looking for another ever since I built it. Seems the pre-war ones are quite rare.


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    Wow, Beautiful bikes. I have a ton of questions about these builds but I guess I should focus on a frame first. I have a line on a nicely restored Hawthorne which is local but a 1955. Is there a specific reason for the pre-war frames? Or is it just because they are cooler? (Which they are).

    What hubs are those on the Mercury?

    I'll do a forum search for my specific questions about how to build a klunker, I'm sure I'm not the first to ask.

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    Thanks for the help everyone, I'll respond to the PMs when I get enough posts....

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    You may want to check out rat rod bikes for sale section.

    β˜… RATRODBIKES.COM β˜… &bull; View forum - FOR SALE

    Also, most of the pre-war bikes are Balloon tire bikes, they take a 26x2.125 tire in the mid 50's to 60's you have middleweight bikes that have a narrower frame that you may only be able to squeeze a 26 x 1.75 tire in. Just so you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctifusion View Post
    Wow, Beautiful bikes. I have a ton of questions about these builds but I guess I should focus on a frame first. I have a line on a nicely restored Hawthorne which is local but a 1955. Is there a specific reason for the pre-war frames? Or is it just because they are cooler? (Which they are).

    What hubs are those on the Mercury?

    I'll do a forum search for my specific questions about how to build a klunker, I'm sure I'm not the first to ask.
    One of the main reasons "pre-war" ballooners are preferred is they tend to have higher bottom brackets (or less BB drop) than later bikes. Back in the day, crank lengths of 180 or more were pretty common (I have 185's on mine) and the extra ground clearance was a good thing. In the 50's the manufacturers figured out that bikes with a lower BB height are more stable, and since these bikes were intended to be neighborhood cruisers (not mountain bikes) it made sense to drop the BB's. As far as Schwinn models go, anything up to 1948 has so-called pre-war geometry, and Schwinn made half the bikes of this type at that time so they pretty much set the standard.

    They also seem to be sturdier, but that's subjective since none of them are very sturdy compared to a modern bike. They were all made from narrow diameter, thick walled, mild steel tubing, which makes them easy to cold set (re-space and align the rear dropouts without a torch) and repair, but no where near as strong as a TIG'ed or brazed cromoly frame.

    None of this is to say that you can't use a 50's cruiser frame to make a clunker, some of the original Repack guys used them (Ian Stewart's '55 Spitfire comes to mind). The best resource online for info on how to build a clunker is Alan Bond's site: Alan Bonds CLUNKERS

    Check the "Tips" section and study the examples of bikes he's built over the years. I built mine using Alan's info and couldn't be happier with the end result. 45 years of experience goes a long way toward streamlining the process and avoiding trial and error.

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    Doing research in the past over on the CABE, I know that at least some of the prewar Schwinns were offered in three different frame sizes with the largest being the most difficult to find. Here are a couple of "C" frames in different sizes:





    Seek: Koski Trailmaster. Breezer Series 2 or 3. Cunningham Racer.

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    Ok, I've got a line on a pre-war Shelby in riding condition, going to see it this weekend. I'll start in on the reading. Showed the wife pics of the bikes in this thread (standard warning: new bike project about to start) she thought they looked great and asked if she could have one too. So I guess I'm also looking for a smaller frame.

    Thanks for being so helpful to a new guy, this is a really great forum. When I have enough posts I'll post an introduction and some pics.

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    The start of my project

    I posted "wanted" ads on "The Cabe" and "Ratrod Bike", and just bought the frame I wanted. I don't care too much about the particular years, but I like the Schwinn curved down tube, and the curved tank tube of this version. I paid $100 shipped, and I am going to retro patina paint it.

    I will be using a 2 speed kickback, a handlebar crossbar, crappy bmx stem with modern tires and a Brooks seat. I don't know if I will do a front drum brake or not. thats kind of cheating.

    I haven't decided on retro cranks (Schwinn Varsity Ashtabula "diamond cranks" which are longer than ballooner cranks) or "TA" cranks which are Klunker Era correct, or Campy cranks which are cheap right now. Black BMX Ashtabulas cranks also might be cool with a Takagi sprocket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Anomie- View Post
    One of the main reasons "pre-war" ballooners are preferred is they tend to have higher bottom brackets (or less BB drop) than later bikes. Back in the day, crank lengths of 180 or more were pretty common (I have 185's on mine) and the extra ground clearance was a good thing. In the 50's the manufacturers figured out that bikes with a lower BB height are more stable, and since these bikes were intended to be neighborhood cruisers (not mountain bikes) it made sense to drop the BB's. As far as Schwinn models go, anything up to 1948 has so-called pre-war geometry, and Schwinn made half the bikes of this type at that time so they pretty much set the standard.

    They also seem to be sturdier, but that's subjective since none of them are very sturdy compared to a modern bike. They were all made from narrow diameter, thick walled, mild steel tubing, which makes them easy to cold set (re-space and align the rear dropouts without a torch) and repair, but no where near as strong as a TIG'ed or brazed cromoly frame.

    None of this is to say that you can't use a 50's cruiser frame to make a clunker, some of the original Repack guys used them (Ian Stewart's '55 Spitfire comes to mind). The best resource online for info on how to build a clunker is Alan Bond's site: Alan Bonds CLUNKERS

    Check the "Tips" section and study the examples of bikes he's built over the years. I built mine using Alan's info and couldn't be happier with the end result. 45 years of experience goes a long way toward streamlining the process and avoiding trial and error.
    Good info. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squareback View Post
    I posted "wanted" ads on "The Cabe" and "Ratrod Bike", and just bought the frame I wanted. I don't care too much about the particular years, but I like the Schwinn curved down tube, and the curved tank tube of this version. I paid $100 shipped, and I am going to retro patina paint it.

    I will be using a 2 speed kickback, a handlebar crossbar, crappy bmx stem with modern tires and a Brooks seat. I don't know if I will do a front drum brake or not. thats kind of cheating.

    I haven't decided on retro cranks (Schwinn Varsity Ashtabula "diamond cranks" which are longer than ballooner cranks) or "TA" cranks which are Klunker Era correct, or Campy cranks which are cheap right now. Black BMX Ashtabulas cranks also might be cool with a Takagi sprocket.

    Looks like a 40/41 DX
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    You got a good deal on that frame. Now you must be prepared for the nickel and dime process of building one of these. You should keep track of everything you buy. It should be interesting.
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    A front drum brake is not cheating....nor a rear.
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    My Schwinn Tornado

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    I saw that tornado on another forum. I reall like it. If you are looking to get some rear brakes here are a few links for bolt on options.
    Ugly but it works:
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    More refined but not sure about availability. Scroll down to the sixth post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    I saw that tornado on another forum. I reall like it. If you are looking to get some rear brakes here are a few links for bolt on options.
    Ugly but it works:
    Billys BMX, Skate and Bike Shop: : Dna: Dna V-brake Plate Sil Details
    More refined but not sure about availability. Scroll down to the sixth post.
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    Thanks for those links. I could use something like that for my Typhoon.
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    These shots and Klunkers.net are awesome. I have a few to unveil soon.

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    '38 bomber remodel....

    got the bug for a very stripped down 'bomber' style klunker so i did a little remodel on my '38.

    not trying to be artsy with the BW shots- there was such an orange cast from the building down the alley it was the only way i could get rid of it! the bike's BW anyway...








    had some 7Xs that cleaned up real nice with 0000 steel wool and 'scrubbing bubbles' bathroom cleaner...








    this morrow had been making funny noises when i parked it a couple years ago, all better now...






    NOS diamond chain and wald ring. i wanted the 'downhill' look but i'm sure i'll replace it with one i can actually pedal...






    sr front hub bolted to a tange fork. i've become a huge fan of turtle wax chrome and metal polish for alloy hubs. scotty traded me for the fork several years ago. stripped, painted, and then tossed it around the back lot a few times to make it match the patina frame a bit better...






    old school sugino 175mm cromo opc and some ebay kkt style pedals...







    and the b72. i juggle around my solid aluminum posts, this just has a wald for the pictures...








    i need to get out and get it dirty....





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    I like it....and the BW works well....Big ring.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer View Post
    I like it....and the BW works well....Big ring.....

    that's odd....i wonder how it ended up on page 2....

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    Looks great, nice work. I`m a fan of the stripped look too. What are those handlebars from?
    Wanted: Ritchey built Frame/Fork 85 or earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MERK26 View Post
    Looks great, nice work. I`m a fan of the stripped look too. What are those handlebars from?
    early 90's diamondback bmx cruiser. not very authentic, but i really like them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by surly357 View Post
    early 90's diamondback bmx cruiser. not very authentic, but i really like them...
    I see why....nice amount of rise/width...look perfect. I`ll put a set of them on my list of "things I`d like and will never find"
    Wanted: Ritchey built Frame/Fork 85 or earlier.

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    here is my klunker. i have gone on some really crazy single track trails... with the coaster brake/basket and fenders. scary as hell...

    <img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/-yvdYK0DyAms/TRGHq-2UKLI/AAAAAAAAA-0/KILi3aCR4QA/s800/big%2520mac.jpg"><p>

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    Lets see your klunkers-img_0223.jpgHere's my '36 Colson
    The CABE will be the place for Colson information, although CABE members are here too.

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    Here's my American Flyer badged '40 DX hybrid. Love the ride!
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    Looking good!

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    Seen in Nevada City. Excelsior frame. Brazed on cable guides are a nice touch.


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    nice bike! i like the saab too.

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