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    Elevated chainstay bike history questions.

    Hey guys. Long time no see.
    I just picked up a Nashbar 4000X elevated chainstay bike,about 1990 I think.As I was checking out the bike I started wondering who came up with the design for elevated chainstay mountain bikes? When did they show up? I think they started showing up around 1990 but I'm sure there were earlier examples.
    As for the bike,I haven't taken it out for a ride on the trail yet. I know that the e-stay bikes had their good and bad points. I just want to know the history of these bikes. Thanks.
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    E-Stay bikes became popular around 1990 and they hung around for at least three or four more years, if not more. I own a 1991 FUNK E-Stay and it is very stiff. The last list I saw of bike makers that made an E-Stay ran over 25 different brands-some good, some junk. The only advantage I can see with this design is no chain suck + you can remove the chain without breaking it.

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    Yeti Ultimate and the Nishiki Alien were some of the earliest models -- 1988/1989.

    The good:

    Chainsuck eliminated, chainwrap results in no frame damage.

    Ability to run whatever chainring setup/crank length/Q-factor you wanted without frame limitations.

    Super-short chainstays with no tire clearance issues. The very first "Fatties Fit Fine" design.

    The Bad:

    Frame flex at the BB and dropouts. I broke three Aliens before resorting back to a traditional frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanetti
    Yeti Ultimate and the Nishiki Alien were some of the earliest models -- 1988/1989.

    The good:

    Chainsuck eliminated, chainwrap results in no frame damage.

    Ability to run whatever chainring setup/crank length/Q-factor you wanted without frame limitations.

    Super-short chainstays with no tire clearance issues. The very first "Fatties Fit Fine" design.

    The Bad:

    Frame flex at the BB and dropouts. I broke three Aliens before resorting back to a traditional frame.

    additions for the bad:

    heavier
    weaker
    still had the same (mostly) Q factor limitations due to crank arms hitting stays
    shorter stays made them handle worse for everything but climbing (IMO)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    additions for the bad:

    heavier
    weaker
    still had the same (mostly) Q factor limitations due to crank arms hitting stays
    shorter stays made them handle worse for everything but climbing (IMO)

    All true.

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    nothing without pics

    posted before..all I could find right now...they may be weak and flexy, but they are still cool
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    a couple more

    can't find a pic of my Haro Extreme...but heres a few more
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    Brave had e-stay bikes in '89---the Warrior.

    I have two. I really like how they ride on twisty trails.Climbing and acceleration feel noticeably different.
    Actually kind of feels like a unicycle sometimes, with the rear wheel tucked in so tight. Really fun woods bikes.
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    found the Haro

    I think this is it...
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    I had the 3 color neon fade Haro Extreme in 90.....warranteed and the black replced it.

    Anyone have pics of the neon?

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    The 4000X does have a short chainstay at 15.5 inches. I figured it will be a good climber.The bike is heavy.Pretty much agree with everyone else about the good and bad.
    I had the same Haro Extreme (same color) like Stan's bike but it cracked just under the down tube.But then I was a fat ass when I broke it. I have another frame but I'm not going to bother building it.
    Hey I appreciate the photos guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    Found the Haro
    I think this is it...
    Would it have taken you more or less time to find the actual bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boy named SSue
    Would it have taken you more or less time to find the actual bike?
    oh...you very funny man ..but less. I know where it is, getting to it is the problem, kinda buried

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    I had a 1992 Alpinestars Almega DX.

    In regards to the good and bad comments, I found that bike to work very well. The handling seemed very good, the short stays gave good mechanical grip for the rear tire and the 7005 aluminum seemed to put the power to the ground with minimal flex. Also, the frame angles had the head angle around 70 as opposed to the conventional 71. This for me, let the bike typically setup for turns with a bit of steering input from the rear tire. In other words, the bike had a feel similar to a dirt bike under acceleration where the rear tire would slightly step out.

    I will say that at the time I thought the oversize handle bars and what seemed to be a longer top tube with the slacker headtube angle was odd. However, now the current handlebars are all oversize like the Alpinestars of the early 90's, Headtubes on many bikes are slackened, Plus this long top tube concept seems popular.

    Thing that killed my frame, the silly non clamp type front der, which they repaired, but ultimately the downtube cracked just below the gusset,

    They did warranty it for a newer double diamond True Temper OXIII frame that is now my urban build with all the old DX sruff, except for some LX brakes.

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    Might as well throw in a few of mine...

    Top Image Neptune, basically the old rocky cirrus jigs were sold from a japanese maker to a taiwan one, and they used traditional seatstays instead of a monostay but otherwise its the same dimensions of tubes, geometry and layout.

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    My alpinestars Ti Mega, whose frame currently hangs in my basement with a huge crack thru the right chainstay above the dropout.

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    A Trimble Inverted frame I used to own...

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    Incidently, E-stays on the drive side make an excellent way to run a belt-drive, without needing a split dropout assembly to change the damn belt.

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    Singlespeed El-stay theme:

    Cinelli had one too back around 1989. I remember selling one. Here's one I see frequently at a local mall. I think the rider works there.

    Here's my brother's El Cheapo SS he put together about 2 years ago...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ae111black
    not at all VRC but mine none the less '08 prophet!
    The design never went away, if you consider FS bikes. Here's are two more: one from the mid 90s and one from the mid 2000s.
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    Yes or No

    Is Turner 5.Spot considered to be an elevated chainstay bike?

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    Feb 1991 catalog at MOMBAT - Merlin E-stay, one of the best of the bunch.

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    Yes the Turner 5 spot employs an elevated chainstay design to its swingarm. Actually only the RFX and DHX don't use E-stays.

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    Just found this at local shop a week ago........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeine Powered
    Singlespeed El-stay theme:

    Cinelli had one too back around 1989. I remember selling one. Here's one I see frequently at a local mall. I think the rider works there.
    That "Cinelli" looks exactly like the Mrazek...who built what? Does anyone know the story?"
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    Santa Cruz single pivots are elevated chainstays

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    Looks like Mrazek is still building frames:
    http://www.mrazek.com/

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    scott also had one (besides the endorphin) i think, from early 90's...

    for me, I don't consider FS bikes E-stay bikes, sure the chain stay IS elevated, but.. the're just not quite the same as an e-stay hardtail... (just what i think)

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    That black frame is a Mrazek

    The Cinelli was basically just a rebadged Fisher.
    sorta like this one at Mombat http://mombat.org/1991_Fisher_Montare.htm
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    Surprised no one mentioned it but, where does that MBA project bike that inspired the yeti ultimate fall into this. I don't remember if it was before or after the Alien? Anyone have pics of pics of it to post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckevlar
    Surprised no one mentioned it but, where does that MBA project bike that inspired the yeti ultimate fall into this. I don't remember if it was before or after the Alien? Anyone have pics of pics of it to post?

    Could be before.


    I bought my Yeti Ultimate from the original owner and he included the paperwork from when he bought it. November of 1989. The MBA project was a 3 or 4 part series earlier in the year. The bike didn't have the loop stays and Tomes was pictured riding it.

    I'm not sure if Yeti was actually the first to do it. Seems unlikely.
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    Bad picture of neglected EC bikes.

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    Richard Cunningham was the guy behind the Alien which unleashed the elevated chainstay boom. The MBA protobike was after and became the ultimate. Unsaid by MBA was that their project bike was based on the Gecko Genesis. They compounded the insult by saying the Geneis, which preceded the project bike, looked like the project bike. As between R. Cunningham and K. Beach, I don't know who first developed EC, but I am pretty sure it was one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Richard Cunningham was the guy behind the Alien which unleashed the elevated chainstay boom. The MBA protobike was after and became the ultimate. Unsaid by MBA was that their project bike was based on the Gecko Genesis. They compounded the insult by saying the Geneis, which preceded the project bike, looked like the project bike. As between R. Cunningham and K. Beach, I don't know who first developed EC, but I am pretty sure it was one of them.
    The first Elevated Mantis XCR was made for 1989 Interbike (I think..it was one of the trade shows)
    The elevated Valkyrie was about the same time, 1989, although I dont know which was first. Pure speculation but I'd think the elevated Valykrie would have been easier to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mik_git
    scott also had one (besides the endorphin) i think, from early 90's...

    for me, I don't consider FS bikes E-stay bikes, sure the chain stay IS elevated, but.. the're just not quite the same as an e-stay hardtail... (just what i think)

    I agree with you, rigid E-stay bikes died as far as I recall and then rear suspension created some new needs for certain applications/designs.

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    What the heck, I'll add my two cents...
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    My current ti bike; Amaro Vitti:
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    I like the red Brave! So that's the one you kept??
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    to the OP..

    I see these occasionally, look around...

    http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bik/1588155435.html

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    My Nashbar 4000X. I took it out for a spin today.Not a bad bike.Rides pretty much like the way you guys say a e-stay bike rides.I'll be keeping the BioPace instead of switching to round rings like I usually do. Nice Brave frame and Rumphy's bikes hanging on the ceiling look cool too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y
    I like the red Brave! So that's the one you kept??
    That's the one. I'm pretty happy with the way it came out.

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    Oh, what the hell...
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    i want one
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack lantern
    That's the one. I'm pretty happy with the way it came out.

    Looks awesome. I have been enjoying the other two, but I think I am going to pare down to just the three-color--slightly better fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y
    Looks awesome. I have been enjoying the other two, but I think I am going to pare down to just the three-color--slightly better fit.

    Same went for me. That one's (red / black / green) the same size as the one I kept. Mine is actually built up however it's not totally period-correct. 1st gen XT vbrakes, Cooks F series cranks (thx Rumpfy), 1st gen Mavic Cross Rides and an M737 rear der.

    Got any photos of yours yet?

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    I built up the neon yellow with a mess of 3DV parts, but the weather was bad so it sat though I rode it around my apartment Then I ended up taking the tricolor out a few times and really dug it so I took the neon apart again!

    I'll get some proper pics of the tricolor up soon. Stuff I changed/added: ATAC stem, Hyperlite, Ritchey foam grips and Logic saddle, XT platforms, XT 730/Araya Rm-17 wheels, and I switched the rear mech to a short cage XT 735. It is a really fun ride.

    Get some pics up of the red once it is finished. Or if it already is, go take some!
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    I have a K2.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDXdog
    Oh, what the hell...
    Just waiting for some parts. Nice looking bike.
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    spring 1988



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    1. Daryl Funk's first bike - summer '88 or '89
    2. 1991 Alpinestars T26 - so flexy the rear gears would change while climbing, under my 120 lb. wife. Maybe the aluminum version was stiffer.
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    Very nice bikes!

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    Almost NOS

    My Alpinestars Cromega (NOS) finally done, I build up with almost all NOS parts, took it out for some test today, it's feel good actually, the cromo tubing makes a different feels of riding....



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    from an ECS Maniac ...
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    Can anyone ID this bike from the craptacular craigslist ad photo?


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    Yo Felix... that Funk is awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeine Powered
    Here's my brother's El Cheapo SS he put together about 2 years ago...
    I really need to take updated pics of El Chupacabra.
    M1: El Chupacabra full-rigid SS
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    You see a lot of those top image neptune builds because ediscountbike was blowing the frames out on ebay, at one time as low as $9.99 for a brand new frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    You see a lot of those top image neptune builds because ediscountbike was blowing the frames out on ebay, at one time as low as $9.99 for a brand new frame.
    I got mine from them for $9.99 + 6.99 shipping, with a free K2 baseball cap thrown in. I figure for less than $20, I couldn't go wrong. Total initial build out-of-pocket cost was just over $300, which is the way it's depicted above. I've since had the cranks powder coated black, changed the tires (replaced the 10+ year old Panaracers with new Kendas), brakes (replaced the free crappy V-brake knock-offs with $10 Avid V-brakes), computer (wired Cateye replaced cheap wireless that went haywire around my router), bottom bracket (the initial one was too short, my ankles hit the chainstays), and added a Shock Board front fender.

    I love how it rides, and have had no problems with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    additions for the bad:
    shorter stays made them handle worse for everything but climbing (IMO)
    100% depends on the person. Definitely agree w/ the opinion part. I myself, which came from a BMX racing, DJ, and Street background like an uberly short chainstay, and find it handles the best if the headtube is slacked enough.IE up your fork travel and it will mellow out that short rear, and do it in a way that you can "crack" through berms (visualize it through the word) lol.

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    There's a guy around here who shreds on an old Alpinestars elevated chainstay bike. It's polished, has a frighteningly short wheelbase and looks rad as fvck.
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    The wheelbase on mine is very short. It rips up the climbs, carves up tight singletrack and scares the shite outta me coming downhill. This bike has facial reconstructive surgery written all over it. At least if you spit blood all over it nobody will notice. I actually put a 90mm stem on it and it is much better now. I can actually point it downhill without being afraid to use the front brake.
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    Sounds like you have a fun ride in your bike, sandmangts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts
    This bike has facial reconstructive surgery written all over it.]

    Consider that line...stolen!

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    in my(not so) humble opinion, the first elevated chainstay bike was made by my good friend don "the lung" mclung and his partner, mike rust around '85.they named it "the shorty". it incorporated a track (bent) seatpost, and was SHORT. i saw a pic of one, somewhere in this website. anyone know where? don still makes bikes, called backyard bicycles. also referred to as "the don". the coolest ss 29er im(ns)ho.

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    E-stay frames with the semi-horizontal slotted dropouts (especially common on crmo framed ones) are especially useful today if you want to try a belt-drive out. The slotted dropouts allow for a bit of tension adjustment and the E-stay means no problem fitting the belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    E-stay frames with the semi-horizontal slotted dropouts (especially common on crmo framed ones) are especially useful today if you want to try a belt-drive out. The slotted dropouts allow for a bit of tension adjustment and the E-stay means no problem fitting the belt.
    Doh! Why didn't I think of that.
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    Another Warrior...
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    Very cool
    Looks brand new!
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    Here's one I built


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    No pictures of a Brave with only a single elevated chainstay?
    I remember seeing those around once in awhile back in '89-'91.

    I raced an Alien ACX back then.
    I thought it handled better on fireroads than the Kleins I owned later.
    The dropouts pulled out of seatstays/chainstays, but I rebrazed them back in, and added small stainless steel gussets near the dropouts to hold the the rear triangle together. Eventually, the chainstay on the drive side exploded at the tube brace, killing the bike.
    I asked R. Cunningham if they had any rear ends (they were the same as the Mantis ones), but he told me that they had "dumped" their old stock of bolt-on rear triangles. Arrrgh!

    Years later I found a frame on eBay.
    It's cracked at the top of seat post, seems the seatpost and the seat tube don't really mate well together.
    I ride it 2-3 times a week at lunch here in Berdoo, pavement only.


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    Wow, all these nice bikes, and not one picture of a Hoo-Koo-E-Koo! I guess I'll have to pull mine down and get some shots of it, to add to this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medieval
    Wow, all these nice bikes, and not one picture of a Hoo-Koo-E-Koo! I guess I'll have to pull mine down and get some shots of it, to add to this thread.
    I used t have the bright orange Hoo-Koo-E-Koo, I sold it to a friend awhile ago and hope to get back when I move back to MO. Please post a pic of yours!!!
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    I'm not medieval but will this do....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    I'm not medieval but will this do....?
    'HOOV you are the MAN!
    I have been looking for a pic of that bike forever (never actually occurred of me to ask for one in the forums...).
    That was my first MTB I ever bought... and probably one of my single biggest mistakes was selling it.
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    This is my Yokota Terminator. I just picked it up recently & dont' know much about the company. I added the fork, stem & bars. I need to pick up some v brakes tomorrow & take it for a ride. This is my first post here. Hope you like it.
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    thanx for sharing

    Very cool bike, nice lines. Hope you don't mind that I posted the pic for you, way easier than jumping to another page. Welcome to the forum.
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    Thanks for adding the pic, I couldn't figure it out. Nice Fisher BTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    I'm not medieval but will this do....?
    Nice one 'Hoov.

    I have the dark blue version. Unfortunately it's buried in the garage right now. I'll try to dig it out this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Bad picture of neglected EC bikes.

    When are you going to sell that Valkyrie to me, ER?????????
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    Shoot, I'd buy that one as well. What a cool bike.
    Somec is like the digital Zunow
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    Quote Originally Posted by da'HOOV
    posted before..all I could find right now...they may be weak and flexy, but they are still cool
    Hey there da'HOOV,

    Do you know what the make on the second bike (black) is? I'm trying to ID my recent craigslist find and yours looks mighty similar. Here's some photos of my bike: Another ID Thread -- Unique to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by emergencyexit
    Hey there da'HOOV,

    Do you know what the make on the second bike (black) is? I'm trying to ID my recent craigslist find and yours looks mighty similar. Here's some photos of my bike: Another ID Thread -- Unique to me
    It's an English made "Wolber"

    look here another E-Stay in the stable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arran
    When are you going to sell that Valkyrie to me, ER?????????
    Long gone I'm afraid. A buddy has it now.
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    I'm a little late to the elevated chainstay party but.... those trimbles look very similar to something Grove Innovations used to make. anybody remember them?

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    Dont think i saw any rocky replies -

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    Quote Originally Posted by rallyrcr
    I'm a little late to the elevated chainstay party but.... those trimbles look very similar to something Grove Innovations used to make. anybody remember them?

    We remember Grove and Trimble. Do some VRC searches...pictures for days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShiverDC
    (do hate on me for the low seat and terrible pic... blackberry pic of a bike stuck in the corner of the basement)

    I'm hating on you for both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    I'm hating on you for both.

    fair enough - i'll grab some better pics when i am back on the mainland later this week... no mention of the sideways handlebars or 12$ platforms the previous owner put on though ... backburner bike for sure
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    I've been doing some volunteer work at a non profit helping fix up some donated bikes for people in need.

    I had to take a picture of this before it's gifted.

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    A lot of work went into this fork.


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    the 2 groves were the woods bike and the X bike

    the woods was an elevated bottom bracket design

    the X was a single boom tube that kinda looked like a mixte

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeine Powered
    Singlespeed El-stay theme:

    Cinelli had one too back around 1989. I remember selling one. Here's one I see frequently at a local mall. I think the rider works there.

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    The Black one is not a Cinelli. This is the Cinelli elevated.
    Cinelli NEXT MACHINE, Columbus Max, Campy Euclid gruppo....

    RAre as hell, very expensive even here in Italy where vintage handmade bikes are used as change when you buy bread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by even
    The Black one is not a Cinelli.
    Looks like a Mrazek. http://www.mrazek.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushpig
    Richard Cunningham was the guy behind the Alien which unleashed the elevated chainstay boom. The MBA protobike was after and became the ultimate. Unsaid by MBA was that their project bike was based on the Gecko Genesis. They compounded the insult by saying the Geneis, which preceded the project bike, looked like the project bike. As between R. Cunningham and K. Beach, I don't know who first developed EC, but I am pretty sure it was one of them.
    RC developed the E-Stay Mantis first.
    I had a drawing of the Genesis on his table when the editor of Mountain Bike Action (Zap) came in and saw my drawing and proto and took the liberty of approaching Yeti to build their project bike based on my proto. If you recall then the mag was referred to by many as Yeti Action.
    I had been working with RC on design improvements for some time and my prototype was in the shop and was taken by Zap and they did held onto it for over 3 months and did the article "Most Innovative Products of the Year" in 89 and that bike was in that issue.
    I had Tange make a special seat tube for the Genesis. I have yet to have had a failure to my knowledge. Most if not all the followers of RC's first designs had failures for they tried to mass produce them without the testing that I did before production and realized their week points. I proto tested the design for over 2 years before final production of the Genesis in 91 begun. About 300 Gecko bikes were produced.
    This was the first bike that was produced in 90 and was a proto as well and MBA did their test on. Again this bike made it in "The Most Innovative Products of the Year" issue in 91.

    3/4"x .028" chainstays, custom seat tube and 1.25" strut to down tube were the only mods to this bike done in final production.

    All Genesis bikes had this unique housing actuated cable pull derailleur designed by me.


    The Genesis also had a unique horizontal/vertical dropout design that in a pinch you could move the wheel out of the vertical position and move it forward in case you broke a chain or deraillure and needed a bit of adjustment for a single speed. The brakes still lined up with the rim so no adjustment was needed there. Here are the 2 different designs of those drops.
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    This is the bike I still ride today. Built in 98. HT size is to accommodate the Actiontec fork. I am now 240 lbs and have no issues with it and of course trust it with my life,


    Cook E cranks, CK f&r hubs w/9 sp, radial 15 front and radial X 3 rear, both with alloy black and purple nips on Mavic 531 rims, CK 1.25" headset, custom made bar and stem, McMahon bb spindle w/ 35 mm cartridge bearings, 747 pedals, XTR ders, McMahon rear brake and XT cantis on the front. Servo wave levers w/integrated shifters (this combo provides with awesome brakes), custom made seat post. The fork is a prototype from RockShocks with 3" travel with air spring, oil damping, Ty kit with top of the line crown.
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    Thanks for the story. Interesting read. Did I detect a hint of resentment in the 'Zap took the design to Yeti' comment???

    Here's one that most wouldn't have seen before. It's a '91 Milazo Rock Comp II. I believe they were only distributed in New Zealand. The frame & fork are made of Tange 'MTB' oversized tubing & it still has the original Deore DX groupset. 1 1/4" head tube.





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    Cool bike, Arran.
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    No, I am not upset with Zap. I think we get along very well. He could of asked me before taking my bike from RC's shop as it was to be delivered to a customer to test on the east coast. I was not ready to produce this bike as it was still in the development stage but his article certainly got me many orders which I had to decline.
    What I did resent was that is was compared to the Yeti and that I improved on their design instead of the other way around. No big deal as anyone can tell there was no comparison at all except in geometry. We all look at other designs and hopefully make improvements on or add our own touches. You can clearly see the Mantis influence on my design. Carry strap, integral seat binder, straight fork and internal cable routing on the stem. I owe RC a ton and will be eternally indebted to him. I never liked the idea of using drops that were not designed for the E-Stay bikes. Just looked funky to me and you could still get chain suck and some slap on them. Not truly a E Stay.

    Here is a 10" wheel bike that I made for my son. I made 2 of these. They are really trick for a 5 yr old. I worked with Rock Shocks to develop a fork but after much development we decided ther was not enough weight on the front to make a fork work so it was abandoned. CK made a custom front hub for this bike 20 hole with narrow spacing. I couldn't talk him into making a 28 hole coaster brake hub. Custom made 100mm cranks, CK head set, Ty spindle snap ring BB and Ty pivot pins, Alloy 10" hoops with 15g spokes and alloy nips. I custom made the front hub on the first bike I with alloy axle and QR.


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