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    Depreciation of value?

    Hey guys,
    I own a '96 Kline Mantra It is a killer bike and I bought it from a guy that neglected to ride it and so it has sat in his garage. Anyway Because it is an original Kline (Kline famously sold to Trek) one of the first robust aluminum frames on the market at the time and it has historical value I was wondering if it would at least retain its value if not rise on the market price because it could be a potential collectors item. Thoughts can you help me? Happy riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Hey guys,
    I own a '96 Kline Mantra It is a killer bike and I bought it from a guy that neglected to ride it and so it has sat in his garage. Anyway Because it is an original Kline (Kline famously sold to Trek) one of the first robust aluminum frames on the market at the time and it has historical value I was wondering if it would at least retain its value if not rise on the market price because it could be a potential collectors item. Thoughts can you help me? Happy riding.
    Strange. I just googled Kline Bicycles and it came up with nothing! Must be rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Strange. I just googled Kline Bicycles and it came up with nothing! Must be rare.
    Klein Bikes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You obviously did not look very hard beacuse there is a wikipedia page on it and you can find it on trek sites and forms in eddition to ebay and other places. Kline was an internationaly known company and t
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    Sorry that last post may have been a little harsh... I just really love my Kline!
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    I really love Deen frames myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linoleum View Post
    I really love Deen frames myself.
    Those are da bomb. I love Merlyns too.

    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Sorry that last post may have been a little harsh... I just really love my Kline!
    That's okay! I'm glad you love them and it shows!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Thoughts can you help me?

    This is basically my mantra. I mean, mom-bra.
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    I think some places charge a disposal fee for Mantra's and their stink-buggin' ilk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Hey guys,
    I own a '96 Kline Mantra It is a killer bike and I bought it from a guy that neglected to ride it and so it has sat in his garage. Anyway Because it is an original Kline (Kline famously sold to Trek) one of the first robust aluminum frames on the market at the time and it has historical value I was wondering if it would at least retain its value if not rise on the market price because it could be a potential collectors item. Thoughts can you help me? Happy riding.
    Well, that's what I'd do.

    To hell with "value" a bike has no value if its not appreciated. Remind me of those guitar hoarders, none of them playing any of their priceceless guitar. What is the point ? (Not implying you can't ride)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phiu-x View Post
    Well, that's what I'd do.

    To hell with "value" a bike has no value if its not appreciated. Remind me of those guitar hoarders, none of them playing any of their priceceless guitar. What is the point ? (Not implying you can't ride)
    Great point I love my bike and I justmwant to know more about it. Check out the mount marathon race seward alaska thats what I ride on top to bottom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Those are da bomb. I love Merlyns too.



    That's okay! I'm glad you love them and it shows!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Great point I love my bike and I justmwant to know more about it. Check out the mount marathon race seward alaska thats what I ride on top to bottom.
    Well, at least you are consistent, even if you can not read the logo on your own bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Well, at least you are consistent, even if you can not read the logo on your own bike.
    Lol

    I think (just to be boring) you'll find that the hardtail Klein's hold their value (or go up) the FS bikes, especially the mantra, there are die hard lovers of them, but not that many and the value...not so much.
    If you like the ride of it, then ride it till it dies, then toss in skip.
    Personally I find the mantra to be one of the ugliest bikes ever made, but an attitude or adroit (even rascals,pinnacles etc) to be some of the most beautiful...
    but whatever you do before posting again is go look at the main tube on your bike and read what it says, maybe then people will less inclined to take the piss
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Great point I love my bike and I justmwant to know more about it.
    It's a Klein, not a Kline and the Mantras have consistently gone down in value to the point where you can find them for $300 or less. Maybe 15 years from now the value will increase but I don't think it's worth holding onto as an investment unless you plan to pass it onto your great grand children fully restored in excellent condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Klein Bikes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You obviously did not look very hard beacuse there is a wikipedia page on it and you can find it on trek sites and forms in eddition to ebay and other places. Kline was an internationaly known company and t
    Kevin Kline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    We looked as hard as you did when you proofread the name on your own freakin' bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Hey guys,
    I own a '96 Kline Mantra It is a killer bike and I bought it from a guy that neglected to ride it and so it has sat in his garage. Anyway Because it is an original Kline (Kline famously sold to Trek) one of the first robust aluminum frames on the market at the time and it has historical value I was wondering if it would at least retain its value if not rise on the market price because it could be a potential collectors item. Thoughts can you help me? Happy riding.
    The Kleins that were made from 88-94 are the desirable models and the ones that have the most value. After 94 is a Trek/Klein bike and their value fell drastically.
    The rigid framed bikes are by far the nicer Kleins and the Mantra was one of those bikes designed to fit into a niche market. Since yours is a 96, it's a Trek bike and as others have posted, not really worth much. If it has full XTR and a rare front end or rare wheelset, then it might be worth considerable more. Ebay sells these bikes from $300-$700 depending on condition.

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    I never understood folks who have the product in their hands, logos all over it, and insist on misspelling it anyway, repeatedly, ad nauseam.

    I mean, I understand a typo, things happen. But it's like trying to pay for a $20 item with a $5 bill, and assuming since they are the same size, it'll be worth the same amount......

    See it on CL all the time.

    Makes the spelling/grammar nazi in me go bonkers.

    Then there's the guy I know who insists on adding letters to words when spoken. One comes to mind who insists on adding an N to any word starting with Pa. Pantagonia, Pantina, etc. You see the name on the catalogue, or your fleece, don't you? No freaking N there!!!!!

    If it's a legit thing like Dyslexia, totally different ball of wax, no offense intended to the OP, but it looks like they spell well enough otherwise.

    If you came looking for legitimate answers to legitimate questions, spelling said item properly goes along way in showing respectful intent for all parties involved, including yourself and the bike...

    As for the bike? Yeah, not worth much on the collector market compared to the hardtails of pre-Trek origin. Many oddball Mantra builds out there, they do seem to bring out the Biker Fox in some folks.....
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    Hey guys I am sorry about the typo my iPad auto corrected sending everyone into a swirl of confusion. Please forgive me. Anyway I could still use some information on my bike. Oh and my model was the last one sold before Klein sold to trek. At least according to mtb forum anyway hope that clears some stuff up. Thanks for all of your input!


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    Originally Posted by weps
    this should be quick and easy for you, but i'm having trouble finding the answer.

    thx
    I dont know the exact date. But i would say early 96.

    I think things started "changing" with the 97 line up.
    That was the first year with the MC3 which was the standard 1 1/8 headsets and the standard threaded BB.

    I have heard people say they liked the 97 though.
    Still a klein but with standard interchangeable stuff.

    Now if you asked me which klein was the worst.
    I think i would have to say the 98 i believe.

    I think that was the year where there were no adroits and the kleins were really pulses
    With the most horrible paintjobs. Paintjobs flaked off easily and the klein stickers were almost just stuck on the outside of the paintjob that easily wiped off.
    I don't know how they rode.

    All this is just my opinion and i could be wrong on these details.....
    Desperately searching for a klein 120mm O-rise MC1 mission control stem /handlebars or any 1 1/4 quill stem equivalent.
    EDIT- HELLOOOOOOOO......... Desperately means i will pay really,really good money for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Hey guys I am sorry about the typo my iPad auto corrected sending everyone into a swirl of confusion. Please forgive me. Anyway I could still use some information on my bike.
    There's nothing I like more in this forum than a guy that can roll with the punches. Thanks so much for being a good sport, Alaskan Rider.

    By the way, I've been to Seward. Beautiful area. Are you really going to be doing that big dh run on the Mantra?

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    Yes I will be, however I want to replace the front forks with at least 120mm schicks beacuse right now I only have 80mm and they are outdated anyway it is going to be awsome will post a video on the passion forum!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Yes I will be, however I want to replace the front forks with at least 120mm schicks beacuse right now I only have 80mm and they are outdated anyway it is going to be awsome will post a video on the passion forum!
    Have you given any thought as to what that will do to the HTA and handling of the bike
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    HTA? And how would it effect my handeling. Please educate me.
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    ahh yes, Jasonwa2. He knew a lot about Klines.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Yes I will be, however I want to replace the front forks with at least 120mm schicks beacuse right now I only have 80mm and they are outdated anyway it is going to be awsome will post a video on the passion forum!
    Do not bother. The whole bike is out dated. Trying to use parts it was not designed for is a waste. Use it the way it is or replace it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    HTA? And how would it effect my handeling. Please educate me.
    Shame your iPad didn't auto correct "handeling".

    George Frideric Handel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    He was a composer, so I assume you're talking about the bikes composure.

    HTA + head tube angle. The taller the fork (in terms of the measurement from hub axle to the lower bearing crown) the slacker the angle. Compare a XC race bike to a DH race bike, and you'll see the difference. The other issue is increased stress on the headtube and it's junction with the other tubes. Or in the Mantra's case, tube.

    I would agree that it's not worth mucking about with. The bike is worth more in original spec, and a current model dual suspension is going to be a far better proposition for getting amongst it.

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    You'll probably never find a 120mm travel fork with cantilever mounts these days.

    Replacing the elastomers in that Mach 5 would be a better choice.

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    Shocks or forks not shicks sorry. And my bike has a V break system not cantilever mounts. I do recognize that my whole bike is outdated but it is of my oponion that my bike is capable of keeping up with newer models of the same class. This has always suprised me and is probaly one of the reasons I will ride it until it has a fatal error that is unfixible. Let that be the day that I die. I hope to ride my Mantra to the end of my days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Shocks or forks not shicks sorry. And my bike has a V break system not cantilever mounts. I do recognize that my whole bike is outdated but it is of my oponion that my bike is capable of keeping up with newer models of the same class. This has always suprised me and is probaly one of the reasons I will ride it until it has a fatal error that is unfixible. Let that be the day that I die. I hope to ride my Mantra to the end of my days.
    Great news! Long live you both.

    Doesn't matter if it's vees or cantis. The BRAKE mounts are the same.

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    "V-brakes" is just a marketing term for linear pull (or side-pull) cantilevers.

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    Think rim brake vs disc.

    You'd need rim brakes, and they require studs on the fork.

    A few more basic forks from say Rock Shox, will still have studs, most don't now.

    Longer forks will slacken or slow the handling, as well as put greater lever force on the head tube, and will likely end with the head tube ripping off both dramatically, and unexpectedly.

    If you want to die with your beloved, this is a good place to start.

    Me? I'd listen to the various voices of reason here, and leave it alone, perhaps reviving the current fork if you can, or, finding a similar travel replacement fork, and leave well enough alone.

    Want a bigger than 80mm of travel bike experience? Buy a bike suited to that purpose.

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    I thought the bodge cure to the Mantrah's wonky handeling was 29er front and/or longer fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFA View Post
    I thought the bodge cure to the Mantrah's wonky handeling was 29er front and/or longer fork?
    Hmm, I thought it was gas and a match?

    Never liked the way they felt, myself.

    Always felt like the bike was breaking in half at the mid point when the suspension went to work.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanetti View Post
    Replacing the elastomers in that Mach 5 would be a better choice.
    An elastomer fork on an AK winter ride. Sounds like it'd work really well for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob View Post
    An elastomer fork on an AK winter ride. Sounds like it'd work really well for that.
    Read "automatic lock out."
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    Thanks for the helping decide what to with the forks. I will definatly heed your warnings.
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    ^^Start by correcting your sig. Even that's misspelled. ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    ^^Start by correcting your sig. Even that's misspelled. ^^
    And user profile. As I said, at least he was consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Thanks for the helping decide what to with the forks. I will definatly heed your warnings.
    At most, get a (fairly) current 80mm air/oil fork. Will need to use a disc brake, so add a new front wheel, too.
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    You guys did a really good job of throughly checking to make sure that I mispelled my bikes name. Great work guys! No but really I did not even reaize my mistake until you corrected me AKnRDR fumbles again! Looks like I now have a reputation for working with members of the resistance to bring down the mighty grammer natzies. Oh and thanks shiggy I will defiantly do that. I will talk to Ron my local mtb shop owner, and he will help me with the specifics. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    ^^Start by correcting your sig. Even that's misspelled. ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
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    you natzie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Looks like I now have a reputation for working with members of the resistance to bring down the mighty grammer natzies.
    You mean grammar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    I will talk to Ron my local mtb shop owner, and he will help me with the specifics.
    Is his name actually Ron? Not Don? Or Jon?

    Just checking, because I thought you may have screwed up the spelling or typing on that too.

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    Seriously guys lets just put all of that stuff behind us. I may make mistakes like 75% of the time. But seriously you guys kind of blew the whole thing out of proportion... I mean you guys must have known what I was trying to say. If you are smart enough to recognize screwy spelling I think you should be smart enough to know to know what I ment by Kline. Come on.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Seriously guys lets just put all of that stuff behind us. I may make mistakes like 75% of the time. But seriously you guys kind of blew the whole thing out of proportion... I mean you guys must have known what I was trying to say. If you are smart enough to recognize screwy spelling I think you should be smart enough to know to know what I ment by Kline. Come on.......
    You have the tenacity of a pitbull, and the pain threshold as well (meant as a compliment by the way)....

    Thing is, by and large, this group, and most forums where information about stuff is passed about, and respected for it's value? Those groups are populated by folks who received a fairly decent education, and respect the communication of ideas in a well written and formed fashion.

    When someone flubs a spelling or syntax or grammar? That happens, no big deal. Even they will likely get teased, if it gets picked up on.

    But when someone belligerently forges ahead with all manner of errors, and feels it's their right to do so, the hyenas get hungry. It just shows a lack of respect for the topic at hand, and if the writer doesn't care, why should the reader?

    I agree 100% let's put it behind us, and actually, I think your question got answered, gotta rescan to make sure though.

    What I'd recommend is, scan your entry before clicking "send". If you have spell check, use it, and for words that don't get caught by it, know that when it's called to your attention, just realize you got taught something, and be happy, you're now a smarter person for it!

    If all that sounds good and you see where I'm coming from, welcome to the club. If I sound like a pompous jerk, then this may not be a clubhouse you want to hang out in.

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    Hey guys,
    I own a '96 Kline Mantra It is a killer bike and I bought it from a guy that neglected to ride it and so it has sat in his garage. Anyway Because it is an original Kline (Kline famously sold to Trek) one of the first robust aluminum frames on the market at the time and it has historical value I was wondering if it would at least retain its value if not rise on the market price because it could be a potential collectors item. Thoughts can you help me? Happy riding.
    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    Seriously guys lets just put all of that stuff behind us. I may make mistakes like 75% of the time. But seriously you guys kind of blew the whole thing out of proportion... I mean you guys must have known what I was trying to say. If you are smart enough to recognize screwy spelling I think you should be smart enough to know to know what I ment by Kline. Come on.......
    Fair enough.

    Here's the quick answer. Some Kleins retain their value, a select few increase in value, most Kleins are not selling for more than their original MSRP. A Klein Mantra such as yours (depending on build and how clean) probably won't increase in value, but it might not decrease in value as much as other bikes either. Not a bike I would consider 'historic'.

    I think most of us have issue with the misspelling when its written in massive letters on the side of the bike. Especially when someone comes in and starts spewing about how much they looooooove this historic amazing perfect revolutionary kickass wonder bike....but they can't seem to spell it right. Over and over. Doesn't make me want to take you seriously.
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    I find in situations like this I have to ask myself "What would Peter Fagerlin do?".

    And I still gave a serious answer. Go figure.

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    Random data point - I have questioned the legitimacy of ebay auctions because the seller couldn't spell what was printed in huge letters on the item for sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DFA View Post
    I find in situations like this I have to ask myself "What would Peter Fagerlin do?".

    And I still gave a serious answer. Go figure.

    A PF reference...that takes things back a ways. I don't think there are many here who know the story of that guy.
    Do you remember Hollywood's post ' Fagerlin Knows Best'? One of the funnies ever on MTBR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    A PF reference...that takes things back a ways. I don't think there are many here who know the story of that guy.
    Do you remember Hollywood's post ' Fagerlin Knows Best'? One of the funnies ever on MTBR.
    I think this post is an even older and more obscure reference:

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    ahh yes, Jasonwa2. He knew a lot about Klines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    A PF reference...that takes things back a ways. I don't think there are many here who know the story of that guy.
    Do you remember Hollywood's post ' Fagerlin Knows Best'? One of the funnies ever on MTBR.
    I took a sabbatical from here for a quite a while. Too many Petes, not enough Zonic Mans. Probably never would have come back, but I caught wind of the VRC forum through the grapevine. Asked, but still haven't found out why Peety done went and got hisself banned (I hear he's plying his special sense of humour over at Ride Donkey). Links would be helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Fair enough.

    Here's the quick answer. Some Kleins retain their value, a select few increase in value, most Kleins are not selling for more than their original MSRP. A Klein Mantra such as yours (depending on build and how clean) probably won't increase in value, but it might not decrease in value as much as other bikes either. Not a bike I would consider 'historic'.

    I think most of us have issue with the misspelling when its written in massive letters on the side of the bike. Especially when someone comes in and starts spewing about how much they looooooove this historic amazing perfect revolutionary kickass wonder bike....but they can't seem to spell it right. Over and over. Doesn't make me want to take you seriously.
    I can't be cross you have a legitimate reason to give me crap. You also have a legitimate reason to not take me seriously. I deserved it more or less, thanks for the info. Oh and the teasing did not bother me at all really it was just the length of the teasing. Anyway whats said has been said, and thats that. The important thing is that my question answered thanks everyone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    I can't be cross you have a legitimate reason to give me crap. You also have a legitimate reason to not take me seriously. I deserved it more or less, thanks for the info. Oh and the teasing did not bother me at all really it was just the length of the teasing. Anyway whats said has been said, and thats that. The important thing is that my question answered thanks everyone!
    So to sum up, the bike is basically an ugly, poor riding piece o' crap, and you smell like three day old chicken livers.
    Now we can move on.
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    Carsten is our version of god. Knows it all, but never makes an appearance

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    Carsten is our version of god. Knows it all, but never makes an appearance
    You just need to ask nicely... or perhaps this line of questioning is just beneath him

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    I can't be cross you have a legitimate reason to give me crap. You also have a legitimate reason to not take me seriously. I deserved it more or less, thanks for the info. Oh and the teasing did not bother me at all really it was just the length of the teasing. Anyway whats said has been said, and thats that. The important thing is that my question answered thanks everyone!
    I agree. You've been more than nice. Whatever you decide, can you let us know and maybe include a picture? I would like to know how things turn out for you. Good luck!

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    And for my money, dinner at the fagerlines, and hollywoods breaking up thread both deserve to be stickied
    Oh, I thought it was a riff on Cartman getting abducted by aliens
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMRTIN View Post
    You just need to ask nicely... or perhaps this line of questioning is just beneath him
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    I agree. You've been more than nice. Whatever you decide, can you let us know and maybe include a picture? I would like to know how things turn out for you. Good luck!
    I will, funds are kinda tight right now but I hope to post a picture in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DFA View Post
    I took a sabbatical from here for a quite a while. Too many Petes, not enough Zonic Mans. Probably never would have come back, but I caught wind of the VRC forum through the grapevine. Asked, but still haven't found out why Peety done went and got hisself banned (I hear he's plying his special sense of humour over at Ride Donkey). Links would be helpful.
    Zonic, ha! I think the general reason for the banning was the constant trolling. He'd resign up with sock puppet accounts for a while before he got bored and moved on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKnRDR View Post
    I can't be cross you have a legitimate reason to give me crap. You also have a legitimate reason to not take me seriously. I deserved it more or less, thanks for the info. Oh and the teasing did not bother me at all really it was just the length of the teasing. Anyway whats said has been said, and thats that. The important thing is that my question answered thanks everyone!
    Sh!t man, don't be so hard on yourself. The length of the teasing...well, thats that we do here on the VRC. This will probably stick with you indefinitely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Zonic, ha! I think the general reason for the banning was the constant trolling. He'd resign up with sock puppet accounts for a while before he got bored and moved on.

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    Sh!t man, don't be so hard on yourself. The length of the teasing...well, thats that we do here on the VRC. This will probably stick with you indefinitely.
    Its nice to know that I have built a name for myself. I just try to be humble better beating myself up a little rather than pissing someone off! (Unless of course they are really out of line) Anyway I gotta go work on my bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Zonic, ha!
    Your bucket list will never be complete if you never took advantage of an opportunity to ride/drink/share accommodations with Pedalboy.

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    Hey... another one of my too-many bikes is a '99 Matra, and it's actually a very ... er ...interesting... concept. The way things are set up the rear end is basically a huge suspension seat post: stand up on the pedals, and it essentially becomes a hardtail!

    And... yes... the Manitou forks are anemic by modern standards, but at least the elastomers (both compression and rebound) are readily available and easily replaced, the damper is user serviceable, and the fork is generally easy to work on.

    The BIG problem is that if you want to go to a front disc, you have to find a way around the 68mm post mounts - and good lock with THAT.

    As for resale value, the carbon frames are probably more "collectible" but who knows how well they will age mechanically?

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    Bonzo post ended up in this thread by accident, moved to basketcase thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Thomas View Post
    Shame to trash it, would you consider a trade for a Denby Super-Chauvinist with one stripped crank arm?
    I'm not thrashing it, I somehow accidentally replied in this thread while I mean to post that I'm struggling with the decision / cost of restoration on a frame that's so far gone and yet kind of rare and unique.

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