ControlTech Team Issue

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  • 01-16-2013
    zygote2k
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    ControlTech Team Issue
    I'm currently riding 2) 1996 ControlTech Team Issue bikes. One is set up as Single Speed and other is original 24 spd. If anyone has any info on these bikes, please share it. I've spoken several times with John Castellano and he says there were less than 100 made.
    Amazingly enough, I bought one bike from Utah and the other from Washington; both are the same size 20.5" and are separated by one serial number.
  • 01-16-2013
    Rumpfy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    I'm currently riding 2) 1996 ControlTech Team Issue bikes. One is set up as Single Speed and other is original 24 spd. If anyone has any info on these bikes, please share it. I've spoken several times with John Castellano and he says there were less than 100 made.
    Amazingly enough, I bought one bike from Utah and the other from Washington; both are the same size 20.5" and are separated by one serial number.


    Cool story about the two bikes being one number off. I don't have any info about the CT's specifically, but great you got to speak with Castellano. Humble, brilliant man.

    Whats up with the rusty chain on the geared bike. :p
  • 01-16-2013
    ameybrook
    Likely made at Anodize, Inc., in Portland. Common design utilized on the more popular on Schwinn Homegrown FS frames.
  • 01-16-2013
    zygote2k
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post

    Whats up with the rusty chain on the geared bike. :p

    It's been sitting unused since the single speed is way more fun and lighter too.
  • 01-16-2013
    zygote2k
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ameybrook View Post
    Likely made at Anodize, Inc., in Portland. Common design utilized on the more popular on Schwinn Homegrown FS frames.

    What is Anodize Inc?

    Schwinn Homegrown, Ibis Szazbo and the CT bikes all used similar components and the same guy behind them. Personally I think the CT's are the best of the 3.
  • 01-16-2013
    Rumpfy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    What is Anodize Inc?

    Schwinn Homegrown, Ibis Szazbo and the CT bikes all used similar components and the same guy behind them. Personally I think the CT's are the best of the 3.

    Its good to be bias towards the bikes you have but.....

  • 01-16-2013
    zygote2k
    I agree that the Ti frame rules over aluminum, but I always thought that the Ibis frame looked weird with that curved bar and tiny pivot. The Homegrown has an arched tube in the lower triangle that looks funky too. The CT's appear to be much cruder in appearance but also much beefier construction.
    I wish I had all the components from the above bike though..
  • 01-16-2013
    zygote2k
    Does anyone have any pictures of these bikes? I've actually found the silver bike in a thread from long ago and then there is the yellow one on htis site and another black one with the triple crown forks, but I know of no other images.
  • 01-16-2013
    SMRTIN
    How does a FS single speed ride? At first I thought that chain tension would be a problem, but there is only one pivot right? So the chain length doesn't change?
  • 01-16-2013
    zygote2k
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SMRTIN View Post
    How does a FS single speed ride? At first I thought that chain tension would be a problem, but there is only one pivot right? So the chain length doesn't change?

    That's the number one question that everyone asks. It's very comfortable especially if I lock out the front forks.
  • 01-16-2013
    jeff
    Frame material aside the Ibis and CT are very different riding bikes. The pivot locations dictate that.
  • 01-18-2013
    Vlad
    I didn't know that Ibis made a Ti Szazbo. Seems kinda pointless but cool.
  • 01-19-2013
    colker1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Vlad View Post
    I didn't know that Ibis made a Ti Szazbo. Seems kinda pointless but cool.

    I believe it's a steel szasbo. the rear looks to be steel.
  • 01-19-2013
    sho220
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    I believe it's a steel szasbo. the rear looks to be steel.

    Ummmm...the "ti szazbo" on the top tube kind of gives it away...
  • 01-19-2013
    colker1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sho220 View Post
    Ummmm...the "ti szazbo" on the top tube kind of gives it away...

    hahahaha... oh yeah..:thumbsup:
  • 01-19-2013
    Rumpfy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SMRTIN View Post
    How does a FS single speed ride? At first I thought that chain tension would be a problem, but there is only one pivot right? So the chain length doesn't change?

    URT design, so there's no variable chain tension from suspension travel.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    I believe it's a steel szasbo. the rear looks to be steel.

    Colkervision is failing you! :confused::eekster::eek:
  • 01-19-2013
    Rumpfy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    Does anyone have any pictures of these bikes? I've actually found the silver bike in a thread from long ago and then there is the yellow one on htis site and another black one with the triple crown forks, but I know of no other images.

    Not a lot of pics out there, but this one is built nice. Your CT's should at least be running matching CT post, bars, stem, and QR's. :p

  • 01-19-2013
    colker1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    URT design, so there's no variable chain tension from suspension travel.



    Colkervision is failing you! :confused::eekster::eek:

    it failed catastrophically.:D
  • 01-19-2013
    zygote2k
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    it failed catastrophically.:D

    what failed?

    @rumpfy- I'm still looking for a 135-150mm with a 15 degree rise CT stem- just never seem to find the long ones. I have Control Tech Vbrakes and Seatpost. Would like skewers too.
  • 01-19-2013
    zygote2k
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Not a lot of pics out there, but this one is built nice. Your CT's should at least be running matching CT post, bars, stem, and QR's. :p


    this bike appears to have a broken dropout that has been fixed with a flat piece of aluminum.
    this gives me confidence that I can weld a disc brake tab to the 3rd frameset that I just found.
  • 01-19-2013
    jeff
    PM'd you about a stem.
  • 01-19-2013
    proto2000
    Ti =smaller
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zygote2k View Post
    I agree that the Ti frame rules over aluminum, but I always thought that the Ibis frame looked weird with that curved bar and tiny pivot. The Homegrown has an arched tube in the lower triangle that looks funky too. The CT's appear to be much cruder in appearance but also much beefier construction.
    I wish I had all the components from the above bike though..

    Look how big the pivot is on the aluminum version, quite large by my standard.

    a href="http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj198/proto2000/?action=view&amp;current=szazbo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj198/proto2000/szazbo.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a
  • 01-20-2013
    da'HOOV
    I've got one of those (Control Tech Team Issue) in my storage...I'll try to get a picture of it for ya.
  • 01-20-2013
    colker1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by proto2000 View Post
    Look how big the pivot is on the aluminum version, quite large by my standard.

    a href="http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj198/proto2000/?action=view&amp;current=szazbo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj198/proto2000/szazbo.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a

    I am no expert on those (or anything) but i never heard of ti szasbos. They did steel prototypes and mountain bike action tested one of them.
  • 01-20-2013
    da'HOOV
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    here's mine. ..From an.old "stan4bikes" post and its been in storage ever since the pic was taken is 2006.:thumbsup:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/vintage-retro...sr-238214.html
  • 01-27-2013
    zygote2k
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    Another CT frame
    I just got this one from 'retrofit' on the uk forum.
    It has a 4th cable guide under the main tube with an additional guide mounted horizontally on the seat tube. Also comes with original anti chain suck device.
    Derailleur hangers don't exist anywhere on the net. Only choice is to have one custom made.
    I now have 3.
    Pivot assembly is very simple-
    1.375" aluminum tube held inside main frame by 2 clamps on the swingarm.
    When I put it all together, there is some slop ( maybe .001?) in one direction but not too much anywhere else confirmed by the wear marks. The other 2 bikes have zero slop laterally. I need a unique bushing for this. I don't even know if there were additional washers or spacers with this originally.
    All of the CNC work is beautifully done too.
  • 01-27-2013
    zygote2k
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    last pictures
    I also want to point out that there is absolutely zero slop or wear on the swingarm clamps. The tube fits much tighter here than the main frame.
    I'm wondering if I can get another aluminum tube that is a few .001's bigger and replace it?
  • 04-10-2013
    zygote2k
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Not a lot of pics out there, but this one is built nice. Your CT's should at least be running matching CT post, bars, stem, and QR's. :p


    This particular bike has a broken dropout and has been "fixed" by welding a plate over the entire dropout area. I've seen very detailed pictures of this "repair" job.
    The non-drive side dropout has also been modified from original.
  • 04-12-2013
    stefan9113
    This particular bike has a broken dropout and has been "fixed" by welding a plate over the entire dropout area. I've seen very detailed pictures of this "repair" job.

    ... thats not right. First Pic shows the original drop outs, its single speed, second pics shows only a plate that I mount. So i can use a rear detaileur. There ist nothing welded. It's only mount with a screw and the axle.





    Greetings Stefan
  • 04-12-2013
    hollister
    So what very detailed pictures did he see?

    Or...
  • 04-12-2013
    zygote2k
    Stefan-
    Look at the 5th picture that I posted. That is what the original dropouts look like on these bikes. I have 6 of them and they are all identical. The fact that there are rear derailleur cable guides on your frame means that it was an original geared bike, not a single speed. You can easily see in your picture that there has been additional welding on the stays where it meets the dropout. These bikes were ridden hard back in the day and it appears that the one you have suffered some sort of accident to the dropout and it was "fixed" by adding additional metal.
    Schwinn Homegrown, Ibis Szazbo, ControlTech Team Issue, all share similar frames and none of them were built as singlespeeds.

    Hollister- I saw more than these 2 pictures of this frame. I'll even beg to ask you your opinion on this matter....
  • 04-12-2013
    hollister
    Share the pics!
  • 04-12-2013
    zygote2k
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    Share the pics!

    stefan has all of the pictures. that's where I saw them.
  • 04-12-2013
    jeff
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    Cat SL. Ran as SS for many years. The builders had it in mind when they designed the drop outs.
  • 04-13-2013
    zygote2k
    Stefan- show the rest of the pictures please.
  • 04-13-2013
    stefan9113
    "That is what the original dropouts look like on these bikes"

    and why are both sides with singlepeed dropouts, when one side is bronken, why should the welded the outher side to singlepeed dropouts too? Bevore I buy the frame, it was never ridden and brand new. The frame comes with singlespeed dropouts.
  • 04-13-2013
    yo-Nate-y
    Why did it have single-speed drop outs and cables guides for a rear mech?
  • 04-13-2013
    muddybuddy
    After hours project by some guys at the Control Tech facility?
  • 04-13-2013
    stefan9113
    maybe the guys somke a big pipe when they welded it :-)
  • 04-14-2013
    zygote2k
    If it was a one off, then it would certainly share the same tooling marks as the other frames do, but since it doesn't, then I suspect that it wasn't like this from the factory.
    Look at the arc between the seat stay and the chain stay at the dropout tab on the original bike and compare the same arc on the "single speed" version. The "SS" bike has additional metal welded into this area and if this was a factory model, the dropout tab would be like the original but horizontal instead.
    Another question is, where is the derailleur hanger?
    I'm calling shenanigans on this "single speed".
  • 04-14-2013
    Jak0zilla
    There must be some sort of conspiracy to make counterfeit Control Tech stuff! :eekster:

    If you look over in that 90's pedal thread you can see some pedals that are CLEARLY counterfeit. We need to get to the bottom of this.

    Looks like we have a mystery on our hands gang!
  • 04-14-2013
    Xlr8n
    Looks to be a frame in which either the factory welded on some one-off SS dropouts, or someone did later. But it looks more like factory welds to me. Doesn't look much like a repair.
    The pics of zygote's factory dropouts also show a double weld at the end of the seat and chain stay tubes, likely to fill the exposed hollow-tube openings.
    From the accounts of the owner of the frame being new when he got it, seems like it was a factory custom conversion.
    Either way, Cool frame and looks like you've done a decent mod to convert it to multi-gear use without altering the drops. Enjoy it!
  • 04-14-2013
    stefan9113
    thank you, here you see it works :-)

  • 04-14-2013
    Boy named SSue
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jak0zilla View Post
    There must be some sort of conspiracy to make counterfeit Control Tech stuff! :eekster:

    If you look over in that 90's pedal thread you can see some pedals that are CLEARLY counterfeit. We need to get to the bottom of this.

    Looks like we have a mystery on our hands gang!

    I think that Zygote, the CT uber collector, is butthurt that there is a rare variant that he doesn't own.
  • 04-14-2013
    hollister
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Boy named SSue View Post
    I think that Zygote, the CT uber collector, is butthurt that there is a rare variant that he doesn't own.

    Factory ss?
  • 04-14-2013
    Boy named SSue
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    Factory ss?

    Now you're just rubbing it in that I'm butthurt that you have a Bonty factory SS and I don't. Lame.
  • 04-14-2013
    sho220
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Boy named SSue View Post
    I think that Zygote, the CT uber collector, is butthurt that there is a rare variant that he doesn't own.

    I have a CT prototype stem. It has special threaded inserts that spin when you try to tighten the bolts. It's designed to be adjustable on the fly...it's pretty cool!!!
  • 04-15-2013
    zygote2k
    I'm still calling shenanigans until Stefan posts better pictures with more detail.
  • 04-15-2013
    Jak0zilla
    Please tell me more about these shenanigans of which you speak. What is it that you are accusing him of?
  • 04-15-2013
    zygote2k
    There have been many hoaxes perpetrated by individuals over the last few centuries. They all seem to be true with a few grainy pictures that "prove existence", but when the real light of day is cast upon them, the truth is revealed and it's easily proven for what it really is.
    I'd really like it to be true that this is indeed a "factory single-speed", but I have strong doubts as to the validity of it because of the poor quality of the dropout tabs and the fact that they look noticeably different than any CT frame part.
    Another strong argument against it is that there were very few, if any, full suspension single speeds made in 1997 on purpose or by accident. Even the Catamount that someone posted was a geared bike, not a single speed.

    I'm not accusing anyone of anything because that is a direct violation of the MTBR forum etiquette and is a punishable offense.

    Proof is in the pudding (or pictures)
    Post 'em up!