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    Brands that make you go eh...

    For me it was Trek. Didn't really hate the bikes but was never really excited by them either. Which is odd because they did everything I tend to like. Started out building hand made steel road bikes and were big in the boom days of mountain biking right as I was transitioning from the road to the dirt.


    So what is your ho hum contender?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisfoto View Post
    So what is your ho hum contender?
    Most of the large brands fit into this category to me. It's hard for me to get excited by anything by Giant, Specialized, or Trek. A lot of small brands that produced everything from kids bikes to high-end also fit into the category (but maybe a bit less so).

    I much prefer small batch production or custom bikes.
    Each bicycle owned exponentially increases the probability that none is working correctly.

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    Same as above. Although one of my favorite bikes is an 83 Trek road bike that is now a single-speed. But I'll probably never buy another Trek, seeing what they did to Greg Lemond.

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    Yes I agree, once Trek stared grabbing up smaller makes and turning then into trash my opinion went from ho hum to dislike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    It's hard for me to get excited by anything by Giant, Specialized, or Trek. A lot of small brands that produced everything from kids bikes to high-end also fit into the category (but maybe a bit less so).
    Unless it says KHS on the downtube.

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    Ha^
    Seek: Koski Trailmaster. Breezer Series 2 or 3. Cunningham Racer.

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    I thought this thread was going to be another about Canadian bikes eh?
    Seek: Koski Trailmaster. Breezer Series 2 or 3. Cunningham Racer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tductape View Post
    I thought this thread was going to be another about Canadian bikes eh?
    That was funny...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisfoto View Post
    Yes I agree, once Trek stared grabbing up smaller makes and turning then into trash my opinion went from ho hum to dislike.
    Trek (and Armstrong) did a little more than that to Greg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tductape View Post
    I thought this thread was going to be another about Canadian bikes eh?

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    Kleins. Boooooring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Unless it says KHS on the downtube.
    Haha! Nice one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Kleins. Boooooring.
    Not with a paint job like yours

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    Quote Originally Posted by ameybrook View Post
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    Plus anything from Kona.

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    Nice CCM. More pics please.
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    Diamond Back.
    Zip ties? Not on my bike!

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    Diamond Back yes but I alway liked Kona maybe because my lbs at the time sponsored a Kona team..

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    Early Kona, Specialized, Bridgestone.. good stuff. Giant got better .. Trek got better w/ their Fuels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tductape View Post
    I thought this thread was going to be another about Canadian bikes eh?
    "Now, now the Canadian Government has officially apologized for Norco on several occasions! "

    I'd say a bad run-in with Mavic Service...Sealed the deal for me....No more.

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    I wish there was some way to get the news out to all of the non-cycling folks that Schwinns have sucked for decades now. Probably for as long as cars have had seatbelts.

    Cannondales. Ugh. So over rated.
    Don't call it a gooseneck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewisfoto View Post
    Yes I agree, once Trek stared grabbing up smaller makes and turning then into trash my opinion went from ho hum to dislike.
    +One

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    The biggest disappointment is Schwinn. This is when the Schwinn name meant something, and I'm having to go back to 1939. And no, I'm not going to strip it down and race Repack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleCentury View Post
    Plus anything from Kona.
    Haha! Totally


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    Nice CCM. More pics please.
    Like this?



    C.C.M. went down the tubes in 83 when they went bankrupt and the assets were purchased by Levy and left their location in Weston (Toronto) then Procycle who started producing strictly BSOs (cough, cough, Rocky Mountain). The original photo was of a 43 Rambler (I have a 63 Rambler - same bike I rode as a kid).

    more of the 43 Twin tube




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    How It's Made did a segment on bicycles and unfortunately picked CCM, it's painful to watch: How It's Made Bicycle - YouTube

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    They used to make good hockey equipment.

    I agree regarding Diamondback. Ugh. I hated mine. I left it to rust. Ascent, my ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    They used to make good hockey equipment.
    They still do. Been using it since I was a kid (it's a completely separate company from the bike company owned by Procycle),

    I still have the wrench I got with a bike back in the 60s. Never use it (Imperial). It hangs on the pegboard for sentimental reasons.


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    Iron Horse, KHS, and Univega
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    Very very nice. I have a 38 Twin tube but it has some issues.
    Quote Originally Posted by DFA View Post
    Like this?



    C.C.M. went down the tubes in 83 when they went bankrupt and the assets were purchased by Levy and left their location in Weston (Toronto) then Procycle who started producing strictly BSOs (cough, cough, Rocky Mountain). The original photo was of a 43 Rambler (I have a 63 Rambler - same bike I rode as a kid).

    more of the 43 Twin tube



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jak0zilla View Post
    I wish there was some way to get the news out to all of the non-cycling folks that Schwinns have sucked for decades now. Probably for as long as cars have had seatbelts.

    Cannondales. Ugh. So over rated.
    Them's fightin' words if you live within 200 miles of PA, mister.

    Though I must agree on Schwinn. Still get folks in the shop saying, "I got the Schwinn at a yard sale, a Schwinn, can you believe it? Giving it away at $75."

    I never have the heart to tell them they could have purchased a new, unrusty version for $10 more at the local Mart of many names....

    As for my brands of meh, Iron Horse, KHS, Trek, etc, so many brands, so little inspiration in design. Kinda why I always liked Cannondale, at least they weren't afraid to try new, different stuff, and fall on their face from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Them's fightin' words if you live within 200 miles of PA, mister.

    Though I must agree on Schwinn. Still get folks in the shop saying, "I got the Schwinn at a yard sale, a Schwinn, can you believe it? Giving it away at $75."

    I never have the heart to tell them they could have purchased a new, unrusty version for $10 more at the local Mart of many names....

    As for my brands of meh, Iron Horse, KHS, Trek, etc, so many brands, so little inspiration in design. Kinda why I always liked Cannondale, at least they weren't afraid to try new, different stuff, and fall on their face from time to time.

    Can't make a cake without breaking a few eggs!
    KHS.. by the time everybody was on the oversized steel, oversized headset bandwagon building bikes that rode like concrete blocks, KHS delivered small diameter tubes, 1in headsets, tight geometries, lightweight components in smart affordable builds which made for supple, fast, fun bikes. That's early 90s.... think Trek w/ big forks, GTs that weighed a ton, metal matrix specialized feeling dead etc..

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    Keeping in mind, my primary brand for "anybike" selling is Jamis, I'm not bagging on a 2nd tier brand.

    Is there a KHS "market" anywhere? Some towns are Trek or Specialized towns, and you can't swing a dead cat at the trail head without hitting a mess of them.

    I've been peripherally aware of the brand for years, always kinda thought they were nothing to write home about since I never saw one, and they weren't "one of those brands" like a Salsa, Yeti etc, small but high end.

    Just curious if there's an area of the world where they dominate, or at least own a good chunk of market share.

    Cannondale would come to mind as something like what I mean, the northeast is dirty with 'em, out west, they get bagged on by all the Specialheads.....
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    I can appreciate a good Yeti, but they've always been meh to me. All the early full-suspensions: IRD, Mtn Cycle, Boulder... Meh. Land Sharks, Rocky Mtn., Brodie, Kona from 1990 on, meh. European mountain bikes in general and of almost any vintage, the American big brands... Meh. Niche builders' "budget conscious" models...

    With very few exceptions, if it wasn't built in Marin County or the town of Somerville, I'm glad you're into it, but it probably does nothing for me.

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    All I have to say about this thread is KHS RULES!!! And anyone that says differently can suck it.
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    I recommended KHS' to all my friends back in the day. They resisted the proprietary parts bandwagon. It was awesome to have a genuinely full XTR, XT or LX bike on the floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnw View Post
    Not with a paint job like yours
    Haha! Even mine. Everyone has a Team Doli Attitude.

    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    All I have to say about this thread is KHS RULES!!! And anyone that says differently can suck it.
    I knew it! I knew there was a defensive, cranky, easily offendable, s.o.b. in there somewhere!
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    All I have to say about this thread is KHS RULES!!! And anyone that says differently can suck it.


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    Sub 25 lb squishy in 94?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    Sub 25 lb squishy in 94?
    Sure
    I had a Pro-Floater in the 23.5-24lb range
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Them's fightin' words if you live within 200 miles of PA, mister.

    Though I must agree on Schwinn. Still get folks in the shop saying, "I got the Schwinn at a yard sale, a Schwinn, can you believe it? Giving it away at $75."

    I never have the heart to tell them they could have purchased a new, unrusty version for $10 more at the local Mart of many names....

    As for my brands of meh, Iron Horse, KHS, Trek, etc, so many brands, so little inspiration in design. Kinda why I always liked Cannondale, at least they weren't afraid to try new, different stuff, and fall on their face from time to time.

    Can't make a cake without breaking a few eggs!
    If by "try new, different stuff" you mean "product test proprietary parts on the consumer without a backup plan for when it failed" than yes, they broke a lot of eggs

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    Sure but factory stock and steel to boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff View Post
    Sure but factory stock and steel to boot.
    IIRC this thing is steel and just under 25



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    Quote Originally Posted by hollister View Post
    We had a small celebration when the final raven was stolen out of the rack out front
    Sig-worthy quote, but not for me as I don't have strong feelings either way about KHS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ameybrook View Post
    IIRC this thing is steel and just under 25]
    IMO, bikes of the early '90s were lighter than many of the bikes made today. The absolute lightest bikes today are super-light, but most of the $1000-$1500 bikes seem to be in the 28-32 pound range. The average bike today is a tank compared to bikes from 20 years ago.

    It used to be (to me) that bikes started at around 25 pounds and then you tried to save weight. Now a 25 pound bike is considered light.
    Each bicycle owned exponentially increases the probability that none is working correctly.

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    It goes without saying that pretty much all of the "big name" bikes and anything mass produced fall into my "don't care" category, with a handful of exceptions for specific models. Of the brands that a lot of people really like and are collectible, I have no interest (other than to flip for a profit) in bikes from Klein, Merlin (or anything else made from titanium), Manitou, Serotta, American, Slingshot, and probably some others that I can't think of off the top of my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux View Post
    IMO, bikes of the early '90s were lighter than many of the bikes made today. (
    I'll take the three extra pounds as payment for the performance upgrade. 6 days a week anyway


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    I just think that Cannondales are at best, just another aluminum frame and at worst ... well ... I'm not really trying to start a fight here.

    I agree with Hollister's comment above. They field tested a bunch of wack stuff at full retail.

    I owned both Cannondale road frames and MTB frames in the early 90's. They rode like Kleins (not meant as a compliment.)
    Don't call it a gooseneck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Keeping in mind, my primary brand for "anybike" selling is Jamis, I'm not bagging on a 2nd tier brand.
    I was crossing my fingers nobody would mention Jamis, here. Not sure how to interpret your post, though... you like them, or are you "respectfully" meh about them?

    When it came time to replace my stolen Rockhopper, I rode everything including stuff way out of my price range; Full Cycle was cool about letting me take bikes for extended demos. My Jamis was by far the best frame I could afford at the time, really made me feel like most other MTBs were overrated. In fact, I could've afforded more bike, just didn't feel they had the same bang-for-the buck -- nicer components, but the frames were "meh" to me, many more-expensive frames weren't double-butted tubing at the time and had crappy (as opposed to Tange) forks.

    I vaguely remember discussing fillet-brazing with the salesman, he was honest about the bondo (or is it an over-weld, I forget), I asked what they were hiding, he said look at the bottom bracket and tell me what's wrong with the TIG-weld quality? So I personally won't stand (!) for anyone dissing Jamis for being a mass-produced-in-Taiwan bike. Particularly after living with it for as long as I have, simple things like getting the braze-ons right give me tremendous pride of ownership for a cheap, mass-produced frame.

    Better than anything that cheap had a right to be, I think Jamis frames are sleepers for being dime-a-dozen. I had many opportunities to "upgrade" my bike over the years, could've afforded anything in the mid-late 90's, but always decided I was still having too much fun on the Jamis to justify replacing it (or going FS). I can post close-up pics of some damage to my frame that would've retired other bikes, my Jamis just keeps going, and keeps bringing a smile to my face.

    So, I guess I'm all meh about any mass-produced bike of the era that wasn't a Jamis (Specialized, Trek, etc.). Please understand, though, I'm not a fanboi because it's what I bought with little-to-no knowledge of other bikes -- I'm a fanboi because the only sporting-good that ever brought more grins to my face over the years, is my old Rossi monoski. Never replaced the Jamis cuz I loved it, not cuz I was broke (like I am now). Why do folks think they sucked? Cosmetic bondo usage? Really?

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    any Italian maker apart from Pegoretti, Scapin and Ferremi

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