By this forum's standards, there's far more to being VRC than just being old. That Pic helps, but we're going need some information on your pedigree. Who were your parents? It would be better for you if you were an only child because big families put you into the mass-production category. Hopefully you weren't born in the Midwest, because that definately goes against you. Are you the high-maintenance type? How do you look hanging on the wall?
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I hope that workstation had some height adjustability, because you do not look comfortable in that pic.
Ha, ergonomics? No such thing. The jig did rotate 360* so you could get to almost any joint comfortably. This shot was a little artificial, (taken for VeloNews "Made in the USA" issue) since they wanted to see the frame. I would have normally been standing facing the other direction to access the top of the wishbone more easily.
Cheers,
KP
“Those that say it can’t be done should get out of the way of those doing it.”
So Kirk, I'm curious: For those of us with more "pedestrian" versions than these two braggars, is there a way to tell if you built a particular frame or not? I've a couple of times boasted that I have a Pacenti-built, Santa Cruz Race Lite, but I of course don't know that for sure. I've heard that serial numbers are hard to decipher but since we have you here, maybe you can shed some light.
And I'm also going to set my pride aside and just go ahead and ask.... I mean plead... since I KNOW I'm not the only one reading this thread with the thought: What would it take to get you to tool up some replica single speed dropouts and then, perhaps, either install them or supervise someone to install them?! 10 units? 100 units? My share of the recent Power Ball Lottery winnings?
Mine:
We still hang bike thieves in Wyoming [Pedal House]
And continuing with the 'since you're here' theme, would you know if 650b wheels would fit a ti-lite? I've been interested in trying it but I haven't found anyone with the wheels so I could do a test fit.
So Kirk, I'm curious: For those of us with more "pedestrian" versions than these two braggars, is there a way to tell if you built a particular frame or not? I've a couple of times boasted that I have a Pacenti-built, Santa Cruz Race Lite, but I of course don't know that for sure. I've heard that serial numbers are hard to decipher but since we have you here, maybe you can shed some light.
And I'm also going to set my pride aside and just go ahead and ask.... I mean plead... since I KNOW I'm not the only one reading this thread with the thought: What would it take to get you to tool up some replica single speed dropouts and then, perhaps, either install them or supervise someone to install them?! 10 units? 100 units? My share of the recent Power Ball Lottery winnings?
Mine:
Nice bikes! Unfortunately, the serial numbers were completely random. We stamped the numbers in the dropouts first and then the dropouts all went into a big bin. They got pulled out randomly and built into frames with no regard to model or size. We recorded the number, size and model after the frame was done. I never really paid any attention to the serial number while building the frames.
As for your bikes, there is a good chance I built the blue one, but the black one may have been before my time. They had switched to the new wishbone design (single piece stays) just as I came on board with Bontrager.
Cheers,
KP
“Those that say it can’t be done should get out of the way of those doing it.”
And continuing with the 'since you're here' theme, would you know if 650b wheels would fit a ti-lite? I've been interested in trying it but I haven't found anyone with the wheels so I could do a test fit.
Cheers,
I couldn't say for sure, but I would guess that the chainstays are too fat to accept a 650b wheel.
Cheers,
KP
“Those that say it can’t be done should get out of the way of those doing it.”
I couldn't say for sure, but I would guess that the chainstays are too fat to accept a 650b wheel.
Cheers,
KP
If the frame had single speed dropouts, I'm SURE the wheel would slide back just enough for the tire to clear the chainstays. Just think of all the 650b tires a fella could sell, if there were a few more bontrager single speeds out there.
...But I'll take the silence as a clue, and stop begging now. Thanks for your feedback and other information, though!!
We still hang bike thieves in Wyoming [Pedal House]
If the frame had single speed dropouts, I'm SURE the wheel would slide back just enough for the tire to clear the chainstays. Just think of all the 650b tires a fella could sell, if there were a few more bontrager single speeds out there.
And continuing with the 'since you're here' theme, would you know if 650b wheels would fit a ti-lite? I've been interested in trying it but I haven't found anyone with the wheels so I could do a test fit.
Kirk a question: in your opinion, was there a noticeable difference in ride quality between the double stays and the single? I've heard debate on both sides, your opinion would be appreciated!
Thank you.
Kirk a question: in your opinion, was there a noticeable difference in ride quality between the double stays and the single? I've heard debate on both sides, your opinion would be appreciated!
Thank you.
Theoretically I suppose you could make an argument for better braking (v-brakes) with wishbone type stays, but imo, there would be absolutely no difference in "vertical compliance". Even if there were some difference, I seriously doubt anyone could feel it.
Cheers,
KP
“Those that say it can’t be done should get out of the way of those doing it.”
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Great photo! Keep us updated on whatever you're working on. We would love to see.
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