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    Quote Originally Posted by alasa
    a pix of my XCR, the components are not vintage, but it's fine....for me!!
    any comment.....
    Thanks

    Andrea

    PS in few days I will post other my Mnatis frames.....
    Alasa...That is straight pimpin. That bike is worth some money. Dont change a thing on it. If it was my size, i would barrage you with emails.
    Desperately searching for a klein 120mm O-rise MC1 mission control stem /handlebars or any 1 1/4 quill stem equivalent.
    EDIT- HELLOOOOOOOO......... Desperately means i will pay really,really good money for it.

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    mantis

    Hi,
    please let me know,
    if you have some question feel free to contact me!
    alasa@inwind.it

    Ciao
    Andrea

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    Question:

    Hey Andrea,

    Who painted that frame? The stars and stripes XCR-EC.
    And what color was it originally?
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    Paint

    Hi,
    all my Mantis frames are repainted by Paolo, Splash Design

    http://www.splashdesign.it/home.html

    This frame was in Mantis blue, but in bad condition, I bought the frame on Ebay about two year ago from Canada; only a problem, the BB
    is italian threaded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Andrea

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    It has a threaded BB?

    Interesting.

    Oh, so that's where that Blue XCR-EC from eBay went.
    Well, that's 1 less I have to track down.

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    I guess there are 2 kinds of rare old bikes.
    Ones that are rare cause not many are made...
    like off road toads and breezers
    And bikes that are rare becuase most of them are now broken.
    Unfortunately it seems like the beautiful mantis is a victim of both those circumstances

    BTW that all steel one with the small tubes is the business....

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    It's got my beloved Critical stem. I had 2 of em...both attached to old Ventana Marble Peaks that were stolen from me in LA.





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    I wish I had more on the earlier bikes. All I got is this Screaming V stuff, so here's some more. The review is from Bike magazine, and the photo is from the MBA review of the SV.
    Ask me about my translucent green clearcoat!

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    Pro Floater: Deconstructed

    Ok, so I was bored while striping, cleaning, and reassembling this.
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    My sweet babies

    Some pics of my sweet babies, from Italy...
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    Hmmm...

    7.62x39?
    WTB: Syncros 31.8 seatpost
    Syncros threadless 1"x120 or 130mm stem
    Syncros cranks 180mm preferred

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    maybe not

    Quote Originally Posted by HoSS
    7.62x39?
    Not fat enough and too much projectile showing? 7.62x51 NATO... Hard too see the tips clearly. Almost looks like the M82 linked blanks.
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    21" CR-7 Weights

    Rear Triangle with BB shell mounting bolts 1080g (2.38 lbs)
    Front Triangle with seat clamp and bolts for seat stays 1481g (3.26 lbs)

    This frame is super stout that's for sure!
    The aluminum is "pipe" as FSP suggested. The steel stays must me be pretty thick tubing as well. The OD is pretty normal but they are heavy for how they look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    This pic is from '98...its been stripped and built probably a dozen times since then.
    I remember that design on the front suspension fork

    Who made them?

    Cheers
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    Amp F3XC Carbon

    Linkage design which some people hate, but It worked great for me.
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    Fixed her up Again

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbikeboy
    Well, it took some digging to find this photo. I think I took it in'96. My PF is now sitting in front of me waiting to be built up. All I need now is a 9 speed cassette and chain. Originally, she was built XTR, XT shifters, Pauls Stoplights, Syncros ti Propost, Raceface Turbines, EFC with speed springs and 737 pedals.

    Now she'll have Grip Shift Betsy Shifters and rear, XTR front derailler, original Race Face cranks, Onza ti-bar ends, Avid Ultimate Levers (older machined ones), Kore Elite stem, Nuke Proof Atom Bomb Wheel Set. I still have my origianl Scott LFX Carbon handlebars (with a crushed end), and finally XT v-brakes. I still have the original Purple Anno. Stoplights -- but with the cable routing in the back as it is, they never had much power on this frame.
    When the old Ventana went down I got the Mantis back together. I did blow the EFC and replaced it with a '98 Z2 Bam (not original but a nice fork). Now rhe Mantis is lined up in the stable waiting to go.

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    Strange mantis frame

    Who has some informations about this frame? It's a XCR proto of the control Tech production? Look at the terrible Flying V in rasta colors...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying_V
    Who has some informations about this frame? It's a XCR proto of the control Tech production? Look at the terrible Flying V in rasta colors...
    Interesting frames since they're all aluminum. I wonder if they were trying to cut costs by elminating the steel rear triangle.

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    Paging RockCrusher....
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    yo,

    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    Paging RockCrusher....
    what is up?

    if it is regarding those numbers etc, I just dug the bikes out of their slumber and I will get those numbers tonight and post 'em to ya with specifics.

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    Ok, Cool

    Just sent you a PM about it
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    Stars and stripes

    Very interesting paint job...
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    Mantis Pile

    Moving day porch scene.
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    Nothing left to lose, & half mad.

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    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! My Babies.......

    Don't take my babies.
    You better read the fine print of the custody agreement.
    I believe it reads that you can't leave the state with them
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    That's the best part of the deal... visitation rights! 'Honey, I have to go to Boulder for a couple weeks. It's my turn with the kids." Doesn't that sound nice?
    Nothing left to lose, & half mad.

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    so, any of you nab the x-frame off ebay?

    this one:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Mantis-Valkyrie-...temZ7236232730

    lucky dog... :) exceeded my current financial capability pretty quick...

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpiesf
    this one:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Mantis-Valkyrie-...temZ7236232730

    lucky dog... exceeded my current financial capability pretty quick...

    that guy is EVERYWHERE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpiesf
    this one:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Mantis-Valkyrie-...temZ7236232730

    lucky dog... exceeded my current financial capability pretty quick...
    I DID...I DID....

    i'm the newest member of the Mantis club. woo hoo! i'm celebrating by working all night long to gather the funds to pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloculture
    I DID...I DID....:D :D

    i'm the newest member of the Mantis club. woo hoo! i'm celebrating by working all night long to gather the funds to pay for it. :o
    oof! thats a pretty penny - but congrats! share better pics (and a serial?) once you get it? :)

    now to pay for the build, eh?

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    Build? After that win the Mantis is getting a full STX group, well worn

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpiesf
    oof! thats a pretty penny - but congrats! share better pics (and a serial?) once you get it?

    now to pay for the build, eh?
    i've got the entire build sitting here minus WTB roller cams. i refuse to pay top dollar for those so it might be a hella long time before i can call this complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloculture
    i've got the entire build sitting here minus WTB roller cams. i refuse to pay top dollar for those so it might be a hella long time before i can call this complete.
    good luck finding them for below top dollar! theyre worth it, though...

    ive got almost a complete build myself, waiting for an x-frame to come my way... some day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloculture
    I DID...I DID....

    i'm the newest member of the Mantis club. woo hoo! i'm celebrating by working all night long to gather the funds to pay for it.

    Damn fine win, welcome to the club.
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    Well played.
    Looking for:

    a used Suzuki XR500.

    Klein Pulse Comp (NOS)

    Bontrager Privateer (NOS)

    Kalloy 27.4 seat post

    Tranz-X quick releases (purple)

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    Expensive Club!

    Wow, weren't those framesets like $600-$700 new?

    It does look pretty sweet though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L-Train
    Wow, weren't those framesets like $600-$700 new?

    It does look pretty sweet though.

    I'm pretty sure they were more than that, although I'm not sure what number exactly.


    But yeah, the're so ugly they're pretty.
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    Not to steal Sky's thunder...

    But:


    And as I found it.
    Manitou 4 was mush,
    500LX cranks, and front shifters, broken gripshift shifter for the rear.
    IRD/Hite Rite unit was there but broken. Newer XT rear der and wheelset. Cheezy saddle, cheap stem and handlebars.

    It was a bad scene.

    I have almost all the parts I need for it save a shorter stem that I want. It won't be totally period correct, but it will be 'era' correct and pimpy.

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    Wow, $600 in 1986. That's pretty cheap, wonder if thats a typo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Wow, $600 in 1986. That's pretty cheap, wonder if thats a typo.
    i'm going to say it is. my 1986 Fisher Pro-Caliber cost $1200 and thats a production bike.

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    I'd Say Its Probably Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Wow, $600 in 1986. That's pretty cheap, wonder if thats a typo.
    Manits was building bikes that were innovative yet people could afford to ride them. The brand was not very popular outside SoCal until the Flying-V and ProFloater came out in 1990-1991. The XCR frameset went for around $1000 in the mid 80's, the older steel frames were less than that. The elevated Valkyrie was about $850 in 89-90. Also the non-el Valkyrie used all off the shelf tubing. There was little labor involved besides brazing it up.

    There is a chart of prices botique builders were charging for their work in a thread here somewhere (I cant find it) and Mantis was pretty affordable compared to Bontrager, Fat Chance, etc.
    Prices went trhough the roof at the dealer level in the ealry 90's because of the demand. List prices remained the same but a shop would sell frames sometimes at 2x list price 'cause people would pay it to have the latest and greatest thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    Manits was building bikes that were innovative yet people could afford to ride them. The brand was not very popular outside SoCal until the Flying-V and ProFloater came out in 1990-1991. The XCR frameset went for around $1000 in the mid 80's, the older steel frames were less than that. The elevated Valkyrie was about $850 in 89-90. Also the non-el Valkyrie used all off the shelf tubing. There was little labor involved besides brazing it up.

    There is a chart of prices botique builders were charging for their work in a thread here somewhere (I cant find it) and Mantis was pretty affordable compared to Bontrager, Fat Chance, etc.
    Prices went trhough the roof at the dealer level in the ealry 90's because of the demand. List prices remained the same but a shop would sell frames sometimes at 2x list price 'cause people would pay it to have the latest and greatest thing.
    exactly. i remember these frames being a really great deal at the time (though i *still* didnt have the money to buy one, somehow, and by the time i did, i was up in santa cruz rather than down in socal, and it was a lot easier to buy, say, a klein pinnacle elite frameset, than get a mantis - and by that time, i think theyd gone e-stay, which meant i wasnt interested anymore :) )

    but yeah - mantis work was priced closer to high-end production frame work than output from other, comparable, small builders - and *very* local to socal prior to the e-stay thing , and then the flying v etc. rc's involvement in the advent of e-stays definitely helped get the name out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Not to steal Sky's thunder...

    But:
    And as I found it.
    Manitou 4 was mush,
    500LX cranks, and front shifters, broken gripshift shifter for the rear.
    IRD/Hite Rite unit was there but broken. Newer XT rear der and wheelset. Cheezy saddle, cheap stem and handlebars.

    It was a bad scene.

    I have almost all the parts I need for it save a shorter stem that I want. It won't be totally period correct, but it will be 'era' correct and pimpy.
    i bet shaynes already on top of it, but got serial on this frame for http://www.blackbirdsf.org/xframe/ ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    Rear Triangle with BB shell mounting bolts 1080g (2.38 lbs)
    Front Triangle with seat clamp and bolts for seat stays 1481g (3.26 lbs)

    This frame is super stout that's for sure!
    The aluminum is "pipe" as FSP suggested. The steel stays must me be pretty thick tubing as well. The OD is pretty normal but they are heavy for how they look.

    Shayne, my XCR arrived today. I remembered this thread and was curious as to the weight. Well, you must have a special one, cause my bare frame weighs in at 5.15 pounds on my digital scale. Anyway, its a pretty frame. Ive got the matching fork and the seemingly very rare Mantis stem. Cant wait to get it built up.

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    2.38 + 3.26 = 5.64lbs. It appears you got the special one.

    You have to remember the older Mantis' used some pretty basic materials. Without cutting one open, I'd hazard to suggest the fronts were 1.6mm+ wall 6061, and the rears 0.9 or maybe even 1.2mm wall Patco 4130. Very basic stuff in a modern context.

    I reckon if you reproduced one using Easton 7005 in the front and Ti in the back, I'd be suprised if you couldn't get an 18" under 4lbs.
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    Frame Materials

    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    You have to remember the older Mantis' used some pretty basic materials. Without cutting one open, I'd hazard to suggest the fronts were 1.6mm+ wall 6061, and the rears 0.9 or maybe even 1.2mm wall Patco 4130. Very basic stuff in a modern context.

    I reckon if you reproduced one using Easton 7005 in the front and Ti in the back, I'd be suprised if you couldn't get an 18" under 4lbs.
    I'm not sure about the aluminum in the front but weren't the stays made from some pretty lightweight roadie tubing? .6mm or .8mm wall thickness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    2.38 + 3.26 = 5.64lbs. It appears you got the special one.

    You have to remember the older Mantis' used some pretty basic materials. Without cutting one open, I'd hazard to suggest the fronts were 1.6mm+ wall 6061, and the rears 0.9 or maybe even 1.2mm wall Patco 4130. Very basic stuff in a modern context.

    I reckon if you reproduced one using Easton 7005 in the front and Ti in the back, I'd be suprised if you couldn't get an 18" under 4lbs.

    Actually that 5.64 lb frame was his Fisher CR-7. His Mantis XCR weighs 3.04 lbs I think he said. Quite a bit lighter than mine. Pics coming soon.

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well OK guys

    Who has an XL Mantis for sale?

    I need another, as I still have the old team jersey hangin' in the closet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xrmattaz
    Who has an XL Mantis for sale?

    I need another, as I still have the old team jersey hangin' in the closet.

    You missed the last two that came down the line.
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    Hope

    I hear ya.

    Any links to finding Mantis decals?




    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    You missed the last two that came down the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xrmattaz
    I hear ya.

    Any links to finding Mantis decals?

    Not yet...but it's only a matter of time.

    I need some if I'm going to repaint mine.
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    I Have the Mantis font. If someone wants to trace the headtube logo and scan it and e-mail it to me, I can easily turn that into a vinyl decal.

    For the downtube, all I need is the height and length.
    No longer member of the bike industry nor society, so don't hassle me.

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    just showin' off

    hey guys.

    Just thought that I'd post some pics of my Floater'.

    1992 model. (later updated with the box swingarm) Last ridden only a few weeks ago. Recently updated with Pauls thumbie mounts and some Dura Ace 9spd "thumb" shifters.

    I was the Australian distributor for Mantis from 1992 until the end. (still got the headtube badge tatoo on my ankle) Thanks to Mantis, I work in the industry and have the honor of distributing many of the brands that I used to dream of owning. www.dirtworks.com.au .

    I have a nice assortment of bikes now... but the Pro Floater still rails singletrack the best.

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    Good job! Good things... just keep going and going...

    My wife still rides my old Pro Floater. I've taken off the Grafton Joy Sticks & Speed Controllers long ago and even upgraded the rear end when I tore the DH off the back. Never liked the amount of sideways "float" due to bushing design, but still love the feel of the bike. The original fork was replaced to better handle the local SoCal trails... the old bike still handles well and gives a nice soft ride.

    Mine was built by Mr C in late 1992. I use to ride his Sat morning rides in Chino Hills and we became personal friends (he knew more trails than anybody I had ever met!) Great thing about Richard is he can discourse on many different subjects... I'd call him a truely Universal Man. He was also famous for his birthday rides.. rode the same mileage as his age... although that started changing as he turned 50 (hey, that's a lot of miles on a mountain bike chasing RC!!!). BTW:He now rides his wife's horses almost as much as his bike. We recently had fun on the 29er forum... where they constantly think of him as the Great Satan!.... Richard has his opinions as most builders do... but his are extremely well thought out.

    Anyway, I diverse... back to the Pro Floater. Changed the Noleen out a year or so ago when I found out through someone on this forum that a Risse shock that actually fit the bike. The original fork that the bike was designed around was one of Russ Robinson's ActionTec forks.... it had a whole 1.75" stroke...wow!. He's now added another inch to the forks he's presently building. Even with the 100 mm fork now, the geometry still works.

    Although it's become my wife's bike... I still sneak a ride in on it when she's not looking. Somehow I find that even though I now ride a Blur and a 5.5 Intense, I still enjoy riding the Pro Floater and my first bike, a custom Salsa built by Ross (1986). I've since turned that steel framed beauty into a great little single speed with original Bullseye wheels, Bontrager Switchblade fork and lots and lots of purple Grafton and Ringle stuff. I've come full circle, grasshopper... back to the basics.... funny, no?

    Glad to hear that Mantis is till being talked about as I always considered Richard's bikes to be benchmarks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtber3737
    Glad to hear that Mantis is till being talked about as I always considered Richard's bikes to be benchmarks.

    Best from lovely Laguna Niguel...

    Old Man Riding.... on very old bikes.....
    I know this is a 'Mantis' thread...but man I want that Salsa! I remember you posting it some time back...very cool bike.

    Also great to see the Mantis is still in the rotation. It's cooler than 95% of the Freds out there on their modern trendy bikes.
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    The more things change, the more they remain the same...

    An old saying... but somehow seems to be true today. When I go into my LBS with the Mantis or the Salsa a croud always seems to gather. It sort of shocked me a first...younger riders that are on 6-9 inches monsters are fascinated with these old beauties. It's that back to "simplier times" idea.. I think that helps to explain the rigid single speed's popularity today... it sure isn't comfort!!!!

    And, just like kids, I can't seem to get rid of these old friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtber3737
    An old saying... but somehow seems to be true today. When I go into my LBS with the Mantis or the Salsa a croud always seems to gather. It sort of shocked me a first...younger riders that are on 6-9 inches monsters are fascinated with these old beauties. It's that back to "simplier times" idea.. I think that helps to explain the rigid single speed's popularity today... it sure isn't comfort!!!!

    And, just like kids, I can't seem to get rid of these old friends.

    OMR
    Yeah, my LBS pretty much expects me to bring in some classic something-or-other when I walk though the door. They get a kick out of it but shake their heads too.

    It does get attention from other people though. You can tell right away who has been riding for 5 years and who's been riding for 15 years.


    ...and I had to at least try for the Salsa.
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    ... and if we just ... Ha Ha...

    [QUOTE=...and I had to at least try for the Salsa. [/QUOTE]

    Eric, If I ever think about retiring the Salsa, I'll drop you a line.... I must say my garage is starting to get really crowed with bikes. I have a Klein (bright pink) Pennacle with an old Manitou bumper fork that my daughter now rides and a new Curtlo 29er SS due to be delivered next month.... Man and his toys!

    Best from sunny SoCal,

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingsuperpetis
    Wow you guys. Those are some stunning Flying V's. I used to want one pretty bad, but now, it's going to be bloody the next time one shows up for sale.

    Andrea, that is some build! Whose cranks are those? If they're Breezers Lightning Rods, I'm going to keel over right here and now. Spectacolo.

    I'd love to see more of those Flying V's. I'm pretty sure it's my hands down favorite frame ever made, by anyone, anywhere (along with the Trimble).

    I put the ad up in the classifieds for the profloater disc adapters, if you want a set, let me know. Now's the time.

    In the mean time, this is Kurts Valkyrie from Minn. I think this is the best example of one I've seen. It may even be sporting a full Mavic drivetrain at the moment, which would make it EVEN AWESOMER.
    holy crap... that thing is gorgeous

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    I know a local shop that had a customer bring in a pro floater not sure what year but the owner is trying to sell the bike, email me for the info if ya want.

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    I came across a brand new Flying V second edition. Is it worth $750?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uno-speedo
    I came across a brand new Flying V second edition. Is it worth $750?
    Not in my book it's not.

    Cool bike, and the NOS factor helps...but thats a pretty healthy price IMO.
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    Hmmm...

    Quote Originally Posted by uno-speedo
    I came across a brand new Flying V second edition. Is it worth $750?
    I say it probably closer to $500 if it's total new.... but you never know what some collectors will pay???

    Old Man Riding.... on a new Curtlo SS 29er ... ahh heiracy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtber3737

    Old Man Riding.... on a new Curtlo SS 29er ... ahh heiracy!
    Hellofa bike GH!

    Arrrr... me proud beauty!

    Nice crank choice too.
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    finally Mantis

    hi world.
    I'm Icio and i have finally found a Mantis frame...
    Actually it found me.
    The blue flyingV was hangin covered by dust in a small bike shop in the middle of the Langhe hills.
    The legend tells that it was one of the many bikes a well known billionare of this region used to build every month. After few rides he jumped on a new bike, while the "old" frame was repainted and put on sale in the same bike shop.
    Since 1995 till now, waiting for me to enter the shop and look at "him"...
    i'm building it with the stuff i own... it will not be very Vintage, i just want to ride it as soon as possible.
    i'm going to send pictures soon.

    Ciao

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    i hope to be able to load the pictures.
    can anybody find what's wrong in them??
    who can tell why i think the welder was drunk??
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbelly
    i hope to be able to load the pictures.
    can anybody find what's wrong in them??
    who can tell why i think the welder was drunk??

    whoa! thats a pretty big mistake. at least you still have a few brake options that will get around that problem.

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    i was thinking about magura, which other choices i have??
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    Diacompe 986 etc don't use the spring holes.

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    My god, these things are amazing. Why isn't Richard Cunningham building bikes today? I can't imagine how such an inventive frame builder would find complete fulfillment simply writing or editing for MBA. I can understand that Mantis probably didn't make bank, but I would think that any of todays larger companies would be able to make it mutually beneficial. I wonder what he would be designing and building today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbelly
    hi world.
    I'm Icio and i have finally found a Mantis frame...
    Actually it found me.
    The blue flyingV was hangin covered by dust in a small bike shop in the middle of the Langhe hills.
    The legend tells that it was one of the many bikes a well known billionare of this region used to build every month. After few rides he jumped on a new bike, while the "old" frame was repainted and put on sale in the same bike shop.
    Since 1995 till now, waiting for me to enter the shop and look at "him"...
    i'm building it with the stuff i own... it will not be very Vintage, i just want to ride it as soon as possible.
    i'm going to send pictures soon.

    Ciao

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    Nice find! We trust you'll post pictures after it's all built?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloculture
    whoa! thats a pretty big mistake. at least you still have a few brake options that will get around that problem.
    funny mistake.

    yeah, brake options that don't use spring holes: dia-compe, machine-tech, paul's, fixed gear, stick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy
    Nice find! We trust you'll post pictures after it's all built?
    Yes, i will.
    i have few components left to find and i'm rebuilding the decals.
    i need the exact mesaure of the "M" logo and the "flyingV" logo, i have no real bike to examin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironbelly
    i was thinking about magura, which other choices i have??
    easy. suntour xc pro cantis. ebay is your friend.
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    ciao

    Quote Originally Posted by ironbelly
    Yes, i will.
    i have few components left to find and i'm rebuilding the decals.
    i need the exact mesaure of the "M" logo and the "flyingV" logo, i have no real bike to examin.
    Ciao, se vuoi faccio due misure del logo sul mio e te le mando. Ps ho un amico che ha eppena acquistato da un'altro mio amico un Flying V e lo stava riverniciando..magari ha qualche adesivo in +....se vuoi chiedo o ti metto in contatto. Bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomac-ve
    Ciao, se vuoi faccio due misure del logo sul mio e te le mando. Ps ho un amico che ha eppena acquistato da un'altro mio amico un Flying V e lo stava riverniciando..magari ha qualche adesivo in +....se vuoi chiedo o ti metto in contatto. Bye
    Agreed.



    If you guys are having some Flying V decals made, I'd pony up for a set. I figured eventually that I'd scan a catalogue for the artwork, but my ToDo list has gotten quite long, and bikes have fallen off the bottom of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomac-ve
    Ciao, se vuoi faccio due misure del logo sul mio e te le mando. Ps ho un amico che ha eppena acquistato da un'altro mio amico un Flying V e lo stava riverniciando..magari ha qualche adesivo in +....se vuoi chiedo o ti metto in contatto. Bye
    are you guys really gonna make me babelfish that?
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    Onza ho brakes, F.R.O castagnino...don't use hole for spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fsp
    Agreed.



    If you guys are having some Flying V decals made, I'd pony up for a set. I figured eventually that I'd scan a catalogue for the artwork, but my ToDo list has gotten quite long, and bikes have fallen off the bottom of it.
    i have some custom decals made from a picture, in white and in chrome,
    tonight i will pop them on the frame and take pictures, if you like them i can send you a set for free, it will cost me few bucks.
    the picture here is VERY low res.
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    my shiny decals...!
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    My Flyingv Is Alive!!

    Finally

    tomorrow, first ride in the muddy hills of Langhe

    tech info:
    crossmax wheelset
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    Specialized ti Quick releases
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    sram X7
    Truvativ Stylo crank
    KB pedals
    VP headset
    Kennex chain (blue)
    ritchey front vbrake
    magura hs33 rear brake
    selcof titanium seatpost
    velo titanium seat (colnago)

    weight: 10,5 kg

    ok, ok, it's not so vintage, shame on me and mud, a lot of mud, on my face
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    Hey Matt, I think I have a Mantis head tube decal for you. but it will cost you BIG

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    my pics, finally

    Well, I told somebody that I would post pics of my bikes, oh, maybe two years ago... oh well, its been a busy time. Here's my wife's Flying V- its one of the two original prototypes made by Richard, not sure if it is the MBA cover bike or not. The original rear triangle was broken by the original owner (she was a 5'2" NORBA pro, not sure of her name), so the one on there is a later, beefed up design by RC. Frame had just been repainted when Richard told us about the bike- we found it at an Orange County MTB shop. Its a great bike- as you can see, it doesn't have a serial number, probably because it was the proto.
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    Here's mine- nothing special about the front triangle, just a Control Tech production unit. The rear triangle is the original prototype for the later design. Its not polished- in fact it isn't quite straight(!) because the crew were racing to make FedEx to send it to me to test. I didn't realize the rear triangle was crooked for months, its amazing how you automatically compensate. Sorry for the nasty front tire- the wheel just happened to be handy when I went to take the photo.
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    one more of the MBA Flying V and my wife's:
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    that gray flying v and the one currently on ebay make for a great mantis week

    i actually have that issue of mba, originally purchased by me in 1990. i was fascinated by the v, though it took me 16 years before i was able to get one. also in that issue ran the classic klein "team usa" ad (which also took me 16 years to get).
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    Hi All,

    I have enjoyed all the posts, and have wanted to post some photos for a while now.

    Here is a current photo my Flying V. Still working on an old Valkyrie, debating with SS or and an old XC-Pro build. The Flying V is almost an all N.A. and European build - minus the pedals, some bearings, and ???.

    I'll get the numbers to you Shayne.

    Hope all is cool.

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    Stolen Pro Floater returned after 7 years

    a story worthy of telling...

    In 1994, Dirt Works was started when Poncho and I started importing Mantis frames into Australia. I had (and still have) a nice metallic green Mantis Pro Floater. He had a rich purple Pro Floater. His bike was so cool. Syncros cockpit, Kooka cranks in a purple/blue/black anno' fade. Pulstar hubs laced to Sun CR18 rims, Critical racing brakes, King headset and XTR shifting. (those with early issues of Australian Mountain Bike magazine might remember it, as it was tested in 1994)

    Poncho sold his Mantis to another friend of ours in 1996. He rode it and loved it. After a few years it was looking the worse for wear and in 1999 he had it reconditioned by a local frame restorer. New paint, new decals, and they even customised the main swingarm pivot and machined it to accept cartridge bearings!

    When it was finished it looked beautiful. One week later it was stolen.

    A few weeks ago I get a call from a local retailer asking if I can repair a blown Noleen shock in a Mantis. The mechanic tells me that it's in good condition. Purple with a silver swingarm. I bite my lip and explain that I need to see it to tell if we can repair the old shock or not...

    Two days later I get a call... the bike is in the store. I jump in the car and race over to see. Sure enough. Custom pivot, blue Critical canti brakes, Pulstar hubs... it's the one. 5 minutes later it's locked in the back of my car, just as the current "owner" walks up. He asked me if I think that it would be worth $400 as he's trying to sell it.

    With the recovered bike back at Dirt Works HQ. The police are called. They take details… and the bike. They indicate that it may take months to sort it all out… three police areas spread all over Sydney involved etc etc… Ahhhh but common sense prevails. Once they get it back to the station, the senior sergeant on duty decides that it’s a waste of time to spend months and countless public dollars investigating a “pushy theft”. He decides to call the original owner and get him to pick it up as it’s “in the way”.

    The current “owner” is called and for some strange reason decides to not challenge the ownership of the bike.

    Short version. Stolen in 2000, recovered in 2007.

    Will wonders never cease.

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    and after our friend got his purple Mantis back... I got motivated to find a second one for myself...

    5 mins on ebay and I now have a 1996 Pro Floater, 1 1/8" headtube (my other, 1991 frame is 1"), and std threaded BB (other frame has pressfit bearings)... serial number: 95FPC089

    Same colour as my old frame too. metallic green. 18". But with a lot less scratches...

    Pics as soon as it's built. Which might be a while... I'm planning some of the new DT Swiss forks, Crank Brothers Cobalt cranks, 190 ceramic hubs... etc etc.

    The 96' Floater will be a contemporary build (for more regular riding). And my old 91' will be rebuilt with as many 1991 era components as I can find. (that still function)

    Elvis.
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    Curious as to what type of bearings the Pro-Floater used for its main pivot...cartridge, sleeve?

    urmb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
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    You sure about there being Delrin in there? Delrin's a white, self lubricating plastic that'd wear out pretty quick in such an application. It's been a while since I've been inside one, but I could swear I remember seeing a big, brass, teflon coated journal bearing or something in there... though, considering some of the previous owners other handiwork on that bike, it could have been a twig and some glue too.
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    Woops, My Bad

    Thanks Pete.

    You're right, its brass.
    I was talking with someone a while back about replacing the rear pivots with Delrin and that stuck in my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayne
    Thanks Pete.

    You're right, its brass.
    I was talking with someone a while back about replacing the rear pivots with Delrin and that stuck in my head.
    Ah si. I see. Oh & by the previous owner, I wasn't referring to the blue one, I got from you.

    & don't sweat it, I'm pretty sure I have a piece of delrin stuck in my head too. Aparrently there was room, so it's cool.
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    Old, retired for the moment

    I'm looking for day one photos.
    This guy has many many thousands of hard miles on it. Second fork and main triangle replaced by RC. The original fork had generator mounts and wire guides. It failed at the generator mount and he never put those on again after that.
    The HT angle was decreased to 71 deg when the new front triangle was replaced. The internal generator wire guides were not replaced with new triangle. The rest of the wire guides were removed from the frame as well.
    There are currently 31 braze-ons not including the canti mounts and seat binder. The blue bag is where I had my fishing pole, tent poles and fillet knife in. The original black bag was a bit small and replaced with this one. There are 2 W/B mounts that it screwed onto.

    I need to get this back on the road.
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    My, what big fillets you have...

    Quote Originally Posted by geckocycles
    I need to get this back on the road.
    Wow is that cool. We rarely see anything of the early early Mantis frames. Very neat to see.

    Oh, & Geckoman, I just noticed your IM... !!! !!! I'll put an email together for ya tonight. Thanks!
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    Thanks for sharing. I remember these bikes were big back in the day, when I was a kid tooling around on a Raleigh from Hank n Franks.
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    Manti Sherpa's

    I found the first day photos. This poor bike had a rough life from the first day. I ordered 3 Sherpa's for my 2 friends and myself. These 2 frames were totaled at the first race when they were on our bike rack mounted behind the car. JD backed his car right into another car and folded both bikes around the rack. Notice the 2 rear racks and all 4 W/B cages were painted to match as well.
    The built up one was mine. I took a rock to the TT after this picture was taken and rode the s--- out of it. This was RC's first attempt at camo paint. It cost me a fortune as I recall. Notice all the wire guides for the generator. The generator mount was moved to the rear stays in this photo. It was originally on the fork which broke at the plate. All internal and external guides were removed when the TT, and DT was replaced after a crash that not only bent this bike but a Chris King frame as well. We both fell into the same hole at a WALKING PACE! I must say the Mantis was bent less than the King and I was a bigger rider than Jay Carney who had the King.
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    Just got me a 2nd Pro Floater from ebay.

    18", metallic geen. 95' model. Risse' air shock.

    serial number is; 95PFC89

    Size and colour match my 92'. But I now have a 1 1/8" headtube and a threaded BB.

    The current plan is to "restore" my old 92' Floater' with period components. (Mag 21, Control Tech, XC Pro etc) while this new one will get some more contemporary parts (DT Swiss fork, wheels, XTR etc) to be my regular ride.

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    Actually its a '97

    Pictures of is built up are higher up in this thread.
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