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    2009 Brodie Catalyst-in Tange Prestige!

    http://www.brodiebikes.com/09_teaser/catalyst.html

    It seems that Tange Prestige is undergoing a bit of a rennaissance. It's nice to see the tubing that epitomized great frames of the early era being offered once again. Even with disc brakes and long travel forks, it's still a classic.
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    They have a nice looking lineup this year!

    Long-travel? What is that a 100mm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewpalooza
    They have a nice looking lineup this year!

    Long-travel? What is that a 100mm?
    And in this forum that IS long travel. Typical should be somewhere between 0-63mm right?

    My hardtail has around 2" of travel (read about 48mm). The modern hardtail is at 80mm.

    The bike looks like a good modern hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JmZ
    And in this forum that IS long travel. Typical should be somewhere between 0-63mm right?

    My hardtail has around 2" of travel (read about 48mm). The modern hardtail is at 80mm.

    The bike looks like a good modern hardtail.

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    I've always felt this was the appropriate amount of travel for a fork on a Brodie:
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    Why is this thread in VRC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hairstream
    Why is this thread in VRC?
    Why should it not be?
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    Uh, because other than the name Brodie, the reference to Tange Prestige, and the picture of the Gatorblade, I don't see anything VRC about it. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the heads-up on the return of Prestige, but...

    Maybe I'm wrong. But, that hasn't happened for some years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hairstream
    Why is this thread in VRC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad
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    it has no brakes... what are these small circles in the wheels for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by disease
    Why should it not be?
    Because 2009 is in the future, not in the past. This bike will be vintage in 2025 or so.

    Also there is nothing vintage about Tange tubing, in my book it's still totally modern. Now if it was Champion no.1 or no.2 or Reynolds 531 the tubing itself might qualify.

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    Hey, if folks can post up brand new Potts and EWR why not a new Brodie. Granted a new Brodie is a Brodie in name only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IF52
    Hey, if folks can post up brand new Potts and EWR why not a new Brodie. Granted a new Brodie is a Brodie in name only.
    And that last part is the key. The new EWR bikes I think count and the Potts type-2 fork since they are basically the same as the classic parts, keepers of the flame as they're called in the skinny-tire world. The new Potts bikes aren't all that close to what he was making 15 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GonaSovereign
    I've always felt this was the appropriate amount of travel for a fork on a Brodie:
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    I have a bike with Moron tubing. Is that just relabeled tange prestige tubing? Those quacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themanmonkey
    And that last part is the key. The new EWR bikes I think count and the Potts type-2 fork since they are basically the same as the classic parts, keepers of the flame as they're called in the skinny-tire world. The new Potts bikes aren't all that close to what he was making 15 years ago.
    How is a new Brodie any different from a new EWR if the new Brodie is using the same legendary Tange Prestige steel tubing that their classic frames used? The new EWRs are using disc brakes and modern suspension forks, as are the new Brodie Catalysts. So why does the EWR count, while the Brodie does not count?
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    I'd tell you, but you know what happens after that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by disease
    How is a new Brodie any different from a new EWR if the new Brodie is using the same legendary Tange Prestige steel tubing that their classic frames used? The new EWRs are using disc brakes and modern suspension forks, as are the new Brodie Catalysts. So why does the EWR count, while the Brodie does not count?
    Read my posts again and slow down and after doing it and check a calendar for when 2009 sits in relation to 2008.

    There is nothing classic or vintage about Tange Prestige tubing. If you think so I've got 3 sets of the tubing you might want to buy. There is NOTHING that the new Brodie has in common with the old ones except a sticker on the frame. If Paul or Toby or any of the original builders or contractors were involved it might have a leg to stand on. The new EWRs, like the new Mountain Goats, are made in the same manner that they were in the old days. It's a keeper of the flame thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themanmonkey
    Read my posts again and slow down and after doing it and check a calendar for when 2009 sits in relation to 2008.

    There is nothing classic or vintage about Tange Prestige tubing. If you think so I've got 3 sets of the tubing you might want to buy. There is NOTHING that the new Brodie has in common with the old ones except a sticker on the frame. If Paul or Toby or any of the original builders or contractors were involved it might have a leg to stand on. The new EWRs, like the new Mountain Goats, are made in the same manner that they were in the old days. It's a keeper of the flame thing.
    I disagree with your dismissal of Tange Prestige as not classic or vintage. Before the entire industry switched to aluminum and carbon fiber, Tange Prestige was the frame material of choice. It then went into a long period of dormancy, with almost nobody building with it. It is now making a resurgence, probably fueled by nostalgia more than anything else. The recent 2008 Prestige model by Orange bikes in the UK is another example of a company celebrating it's heritage with a Tange Prestige frame, much like the 2009 Brodie Catalyst does. The selection of this tubing for it's heritage status is very much a conscious decision among these builders. It is not necessarily a vintage tubeset in every usage, but when used in a deliberately nostalgic manner by a legendary builder, then it's heritage aspects cannot be overlooked.

    The new EWR and Mountain Goat frames are made with disc tabs and modified geometry to accomodate the current range of suspension forks, as is the Brodie Catalyst. There is no fundamental difference between a new WhiskyTown Racer or EWR frame and the Brodie Catalyst. In fact, the Brodie could be argued as being more authentically vintage, since it is only available in a geared, 26" wheel size. The other two companies are offering their supposedly vintage frames with adaptations to recent trends such as 29" wheels and singlespeed riding. How are sliding dropouts and 29" wheels keeping the vintage flame burning?
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    Yeah!
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    <hands pressed to ears...> Na, na, na, na, na. I can't hear you, I can't hear you.

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    I didn't mind seeing it posted.

    I didn't know the new Brodie company had nothing to do with the original guys.

    I love the old Brodie white & green fork.

    So, what's the harm?

    If people didn't post here, this place would become boring fast. After all, Hoover and Rumphy can only own so many bikes...

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    I've seen stuff posted here much more painful to the retinas than this.

    Whether it belongs or not, it's a nice lookin' bike I think.

    One thing for sure is we need to see more of that green and white unit.

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    OK, you have a point. No hard feelings, dis.

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    I'm psyched that somebody still bothers to make a nice looking production steel bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disease
    I disagree with your dismissal of Tange Prestige as not classic or vintage. Before the entire industry switched to aluminum and carbon fiber, Tange Prestige was the frame material of choice. It then went into a long period of dormancy, with almost nobody building with it. It is now making a resurgence, probably fueled by nostalgia more than anything else. The recent 2008 Prestige model by Orange bikes in the UK is another example of a company celebrating it's heritage with a Tange Prestige frame, much like the 2009 Brodie Catalyst does. The selection of this tubing for it's heritage status is very much a conscious decision among these builders. It is not necessarily a vintage tubeset in every usage, but when used in a deliberately nostalgic manner by a legendary builder, then it's heritage aspects cannot be overlooked.

    The new EWR and Mountain Goat frames are made with disc tabs and modified geometry to accomodate the current range of suspension forks, as is the Brodie Catalyst. There is no fundamental difference between a new WhiskyTown Racer or EWR frame and the Brodie Catalyst. In fact, the Brodie could be argued as being more authentically vintage, since it is only available in a geared, 26" wheel size. The other two companies are offering their supposedly vintage frames with adaptations to recent trends such as 29" wheels and singlespeed riding. How are sliding dropouts and 29" wheels keeping the vintage flame burning?
    There's an R and a C as well as a V. Something that isn't old can't be vintage, but it can be retro if it its style harks back to previous times. A brand new Morgan sports car is a retro car, even though it obviously isn't a vintage car. For illustration, the one below is a 2008 Plus 8, pictured at the Prescott Hill Climb.

    I don't actually think the Catalyst is a retro bike though, unless the Tange Prestige tubing itself lends it a retro style. But is the Tange Presige that Brodie, Orange and others are using the same as the Tange Prestige of the 1990s? Or is it just the name that's the same? Do they still make Ultimate Superlight, and if so how does it compare to the vintage Ultimate Superlight?
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    The future is now. This bike is here now soon. This bike is vintage.
    I wanna sleep with that bike too but will have to wait til 09 for that chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonyinhove
    There's an R and a C as well as a V. Something that isn't old can't be vintage, but it can be retro if it its style harks back to previous times. A brand new Morgan sports car is a retro car, even though it obviously isn't a vintage car. For illustration, the one below is a 2008 Plus 8, pictured at the Prescott Hill Climb.

    I don't actually think the Catalyst is a retro bike though, unless the Tange Prestige tubing itself lends it a retro style. But is the Tange Presige that Brodie, Orange and others are using the same as the Tange Prestige of the 1990s? Or is it just the name that's the same? Do they still make Ultimate Superlight, and if so how does it compare to the vintage Ultimate Superlight?
    Tange still makes all of the Prestige tube sets, including Ultimate. I don't know why more builders are not using them. I know that SOMA Fabrications is building with them almost exclusively, but not many others are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disease
    Tange still makes all of the Prestige tube sets, including Ultimate. I don't know why more builders are not using them. I know that SOMA Fabrications is building with them almost exclusively, but not many others are.
    http://www.tange-design.com/tange_2007/tubes.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by disease
    Tange still makes all of the Prestige tube sets, including Ultimate. I don't know why more builders are not using them. I know that SOMA Fabrications is building with them almost exclusively, but not many others are.
    http://www.tange-design.com/tange_2007/tubes.htm
    Thanks for reminding me of the link - now I see it, I've been there before but forgot to save it.

    However although you know far more than I do, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you about those tubesets being retro. Good, yes. Should be used more, yes. But retro, no. Those Ultimate and Prestige JPN tubes are way thinner-gauge than they used to be back in the day. You'll know much better than me whether tubesets like early-90s Concept and Superlight were heat-treated like these are, but for whatever reason they never had gauges less than 0.5, more often 0.6.

    Totally agree about should be used more though. I guess a lot depends on price?

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