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    1993 Wilderness Trail Bikes Phoenix SE, #93188

    I'll let the photos do most of the talking, but here's the final product of my 93 WTB Phoenix SE. It's an (early) first year non-suspension corrected frame. It came to me as a basket case that needed a lot of work. I toyed with repainting it, but decided to leave the wasted patina in place and surround it with cherry WTB parts. I'm not sure I can put together a more competent bike than this. I don't have too many miles on it yet, but so far it's been an absolute delight.

    Full shoot is here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/rumpfy...57656774137616

    Frame: WTB Phoenix
    Fork: Type II
    Rims: Mavic M231CD (NOS) - Soon to be swapped with Powerbeam
    Hubs: WTB Classic
    Quick Release: WTB (long)
    Tires: Specialized Ground Control 2.5
    Pedals: Shimano M737 SPD
    Crank: Suntour XC Pro MD
    Chain: Suntour
    Rear Cogs: Suntour 7 speed
    Bottom Bracket: WTB/Suntour (NOS)
    Front Derailleur: Suntour XC Pro MD (NOS)
    Rear Derailleur: Suntour XC Pro
    Shifters: Suntour XC Pro (NOS)
    Handlebars: WTB Titanium
    Grips: WTB
    Stem: WTB Powerband
    Headset: WTB/King (NOS)
    Brake set: WTB Speedmaster RC/TC
    Brake levers: Suntour XC Pro (NOS)
    Saddle: WTB/Specialized Prolong Ti
    Seat Post: WTB modified Suntour
    Paint: Midnight Blue
    Size: 15"
    Serial #: 93188
    Place of Origin: Corte Madera, CA
    Other: 25.75 lbs. WTB brake arches w/ Ti hardware, CC-washers, NOS WTB brake pads. Suntour chain & housing.
    Wheelset Hollister built.

    As I got it:


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    Final photoshoot:











































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    awesome job as always, eric! I want to find one of those someday!

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    Good grief that's quite a build, a no joke trail slayer! It makes the cut-off for the Old Cabin Classic too. Seems like it's Tuesday bike porn on the VRC page, Scoboni, Toad and now this! Hey and that paint job looks way better than mine, speaking of which when I dropped off my Type II Rick of course said to paint the frame too, maybe at a later date. In either case, OT, but I've assembled all the parts for my SE build, but might be too sheepish to put it up here, lest I royally F-up on it . Cheers and great bikes/builds recently!

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    damnit.

    one day i'll finish mine..
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    I applaud your decision to keep the patina. Great contrast to some of the excellent/NOS condition components you bolted on. Does the D&D decal denote that the frame was already recoated once?

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    1993 Wilderness Trail Bikes Phoenix SE, #93188

    Nice! Not as nice as mine but it's alright. such great work and a complete head to tail overhaul. Well done!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claus View Post
    Good grief that's quite a build, a no joke trail slayer! It makes the cut-off for the Old Cabin Classic too. Seems like it's Tuesday bike porn on the VRC page, Scoboni, Toad and now this! Hey and that paint job looks way better than mine, speaking of which when I dropped off my Type II Rick of course said to paint the frame too, maybe at a later date. In either case, OT, but I've assembled all the parts for my SE build, but might be too sheepish to put it up here, lest I royally F-up on it . Cheers and great bikes/builds recently!
    Good for you, B! Eric only starts bike threads hours after I do.

    Here's the thing about bike threads: we post them up and get grief from folks that know their shit. It's embarrassing and humbling but we learn so much from it. (At least this has been my experience.) I've loved every minute of it.

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    Nice but technically isn't a 15" frame a bit small for you? Just saying because [WANT].

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    Your other one is slightly bigger.. isnīt it? Or is it not?
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    That's just over the top...you have a sickness...I'm not sure they have a cure for. I'm also not sure where you guy's find all of those super rare NOS parts.
    The Truth will set you free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by datasurfer View Post
    I applaud your decision to keep the patina. Great contrast to some of the excellent/NOS condition components you bolted on. Does the D&D decal denote that the frame was already recoated once?
    Makes it easier to ride aggressively! It was a little painful to de-virginize a NOS WTB/King headset...but now that it's dirty, no biggie.
    Paint is original as is the D&D decal. They did all of the Phoenix frames for WTB.

    Quote Originally Posted by girlonbike View Post
    Nice! Not as nice as mine but it's alright. such great work and a complete head to tail overhaul. Well done!
    Good for you, B! Eric only starts bike threads hours after I do.
    Here's the thing about bike threads: we post them up and get grief from folks that know their shit. It's embarrassing and humbling but we learn so much from it. (At least this has been my experience.) I've loved every minute of it.
    Ha! Triple photo shoot will really be something!

    Can't tell you the amount of brutal shaming I've had from people much more experienced than me. Doesn't work for everyone, but I've learned a lot (quickly) from the critiques of others...however harsh they were.

    Quote Originally Posted by Obi View Post
    Nice but technically isn't a 15" frame a bit small for you? Just saying because [WANT].
    It is not. By WTB frame sizing standards, this is a perfect fit.

    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    Your other one is slightly bigger.. isnīt it? Or is it not?
    Nope, also a 15".

    1993 = non-suspension corrected, 1" HT, 135mm spacing, flat Ritchey drop outs, chain stay mounted RC
    1995 = suspension corrected, 1 1/8" HT, 140mm spacing, 'updated' hood style Ritchey drop outs, seat stay mounted TC

    Quote Originally Posted by phattruth View Post
    That's just over the top...you have a sickness...I'm not sure they have a cure for. I'm also not sure where you guy's find all of those super rare NOS parts.
    Years and years of searching, following leads, help from friends, and dumb luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post



    Nope, also a 15".

    1993 = non-suspension corrected, 1" HT, 135mm spacing, flat Ritchey drop outs, chain stay mounted RC
    1995 = suspension corrected, 1 1/8" HT, 140mm spacing, 'updated' hood style Ritchey drop outs, seat stay mounted TC
    You are running a longer stem on this one. YOu have a 120/110mm on the other one? That took me to the wrong conclusion.
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    Cool bike & build. My fave pic is the drive side shot on the grass field. It was always tough for me to put NOS parts on used frame and vice versa.. but no big deal if you are going to ride & break her in.

    Which of these Phoenix frames take the wider 140mm hub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    You are running a longer stem on this one. YOu have a 120/110mm on the other one? That took me to the wrong conclusion.
    Your Colkervision is starting to fail on you!

    1993 = Non-offset WTB/Suntour post, 140mm Powerband quill stem
    1995 = Offset American Classic post, 135mm Powerband ahead stem

    It generally puts me in just about the same exact position on both bikes, though the 95 is a touch slacked out with the 70mm fork and low rise bars.

    Quote Originally Posted by klasse View Post
    Cool bike & build. My fave pic is the drive side shot on the grass field. It was always tough for me to put NOS parts on used frame and vice versa.. but no big deal if you are going to ride & break her in.

    Which of these Phoenix frames take the wider 140mm hub?
    The way I see it, if I don't use these parts, someone else will...or they'll continue to go unused and whats the point of having it if I'm not gonna use it.

    95 has the 140 rear.
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    Now officially my favorite bike of yours that you still own!
    Wanted: more of the same ... but different

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCMDoc View Post
    Now officially my favorite bike of yours that you still own!
    Surely you mean your second favorite since you know what's coming!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Surely you mean your second favorite since you know what's coming!

    I've no idea to what you might be referring

    And don't call me Shirley.
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    Enticing, dinner's gonna be served soon or maybe dessert? Your herd might be outgrowing your stable? That hurtful OG is in my thoughts and/or dreams, any chance? See you at the OCC, hopefully with my Phoenix! No racing for me just a cheerer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post
    Your Colkervision is starting to fail on you!

    1993 = Non-offset WTB/Suntour post, 140mm Powerband quill stem
    1995 = Offset American Classic post, 135mm Powerband ahead stem

    It generally puts me in just about the same exact position on both bikes, though the 95 is a touch slacked out with the 70mm fork and low rise bars.



    The way I see it, if I don't use these parts, someone else will...or they'll continue to go unused and whats the point of having it if I'm not gonna use it.

    95 has the 140 rear.
    NO way the thomson stem you had on the Phoenix w/Fox fork was 130mm(Thomson doesnīt even have a 135mm).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Claus View Post
    Enticing, dinner's gonna be served soon or maybe dessert? Your herd might be outgrowing your stable? That hurtful OG is in my thoughts and/or dreams, any chance? See you at the OCC, hopefully with my Phoenix! No racing for me just a cheerer
    Well, I am moving towards a thinning of the herd. OG's are not high on the chopping block list.

    See you at the OCC! (I'm racing, two bikes on display).

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    I've no idea to what you might be referring

    And don't call me Shirley.
    Ha!

    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    NO way the thomson stem you had on the Phoenix w/Fox fork was 130mm(Thomson doesnīt even have a 135mm).
    Early on I had a 120mm (125mm?) Ritchey stem on there, but it's been a 135mm WTB Powerband stem for years now.
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    Early on I had a 120mm (125mm?) Ritchey stem on there, but it's been a 135mm WTB Powerband stem for years now.[/QUOTE]

    Aaahhh... now you confess. Glad i didnīt have to kidnap and lock you in a basement w/ loud music and non sleep for 72hrs.
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    Over the top Eric! Didn't realize this was in the works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpfy View Post

    It is not. By WTB frame sizing standards, this is a perfect fit.
    My bad, duh. Forgot to factor in the timeframe it was built and what sizing was then. I'm still jealous. Should get off my butt and build out another ride.

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