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    To all the GoPro/POV vets...

    ...I am new to the POV scene and was wondering if you all have your top maybe 5 or so noob mistakes or techniques typical to noobs that everyone is just tired of seeing? What catches your interest rather than, "not another of these!" type vids?

    Thanks!

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    20 mins of just helmet mounted gets kinda tired

    get multi mounts and switch it up...

    GoPro- Best spot for POV is chest mount.. helmet's OK if a full face and it's tight fitting otherwise it's all shaky..

    Just play.. honestly I still like watching peoples trials and errors... as long as they are edited down to around 5 mins.. after that they get tedious.

    get good software... editing can make a OK vid good-great!
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    To all the GoPro/POV vets...

    1. A lack of editing. I'm not interested in your 45 minute plus video of you riding your favorite trail- use your video to tell a story, and only present what you really want the viewer to see. Same goes for crash or big hit videos- does your viewer really need four minutes of set-up for 10 seconds of a good section or a crash?

    2. Lack of variety in camera angles. The helmet mount is often the sturdiest, but without something in the frame to keep your viewers' attention, just looking at empty trails gets kind of boring after a while. Experiment with your mounts and the kind of angles you can get, and see where that takes you. Also, be creative in how you use your gopro- there's all kinds of cool DIY projects out there, ranging from 3rd-person mounts to zip line camera rigs, etc.

    3. The rules of photography still apply- composition, rule of 3rds, etc.

    However, the single best way to get me to turn off your vid early would be having that godawful "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor" song as a soundtrack like everyone else on YouTube.

    Good luck and have fun! Gopros are awesome!

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    Thanks guys!! The first accessory I purchased was the chest mount. Still experimenting with the right angle so as to not just have bike and small amount of trail. It seems to be pretty sturdy and not much vibration or shakiness. I am just using iMovie right now until I get a bit better and want to invest in more advanced editing software. Any iMovie tricks or pitfalls?

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    The lower the camera, the better you see the size of obstacles on the trail. From a helmet mount, you can clean all kinds of gnarly rocks and drop offs and when you play it back the trail looks flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PantslessWithWolves View Post
    1. A lack of editing. I'm not interested in your 45 minute plus video of you riding your favorite trail- use your video to tell a story, and only present what you really want the viewer to see. Same goes for crash or big hit videos- does your viewer really need four minutes of set-up for 10 seconds of a good section or a crash?

    2. Lack of variety in camera angles. The helmet mount is often the sturdiest, but without something in the frame to keep your viewers' attention, just looking at empty trails gets kind of boring after a while. Experiment with your mounts and the kind of angles you can get, and see where that takes you. Also, be creative in how you use your gopro- there's all kinds of cool DIY projects out there, ranging from 3rd-person mounts to zip line camera rigs, etc.

    3. The rules of photography still apply- composition, rule of 3rds, etc.

    However, the single best way to get me to turn off your vid early would be having that godawful "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor" song as a soundtrack like everyone else on YouTube.

    Good luck and have fun! Gopros are awesome!
    This man speaks the truth. You have no idea the comments that I get when I try to tell people to "tell a story" such as: "it takes too much time, I just want to make a video".

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    Keep the nozzle of your hydration pack away from the lens while shooting; it looks almost "pornographic" to have that thing hitting you "in the face" while you watch your vid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EABiker View Post
    Keep the nozzle of your hydration pack away from the lens while shooting; it looks almost "pornographic" to have that thing hitting you "in the face" while you watch your vid!
    Haha! I found this out the hard way (no pun intended).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitmenOnlyInc View Post
    I am just using iMovie right now until I get a bit better and want to invest in more advanced editing software. Any iMovie tricks or pitfalls?
    I movie is pretty powerful.. can do a LOT if you know all the hidden stuff it has...

    First off, turn on the "Advanced Controls" in the - Pref's - general - section just click the little check mark and a few extras pop up.... get used to the basic interface then search around the web and find all the special effects and such that it'll do. Somewhere I did a simple "green screen" demo and also font and color changes... there are TONS of demos and stuff all over the web. but first just hit Apple's website and watch their quick tut's they will help a lot.

    here's the basic demo for Imovie I did some time ago...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQVFuNWaY_Y

    and here's the one I did with green screen title/background effects...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EABiker View Post
    Keep the nozzle of your hydration pack away from the lens while shooting; it looks almost "pornographic" to have that thing hitting you "in the face" while you watch your vid!




    magnet bite valve.. like 7 bucks at EMS and other sporting goods stores!!... wont ride without one always hated the damn camel units bobbling around.. and the Nelgene is about the best bite valve out there!! Better than the Camel any day... the articulating shut off is nice and big and easy to do with a full glove on (something no other can easily do) and they used to sell replacement gels,,, thou I guess they stopped that
    Still for 7 bucks.. if I were to buy a new pack tomorrow, I'd get a magnet bite valve and pull the stock one off right out of the gate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomllama View Post


    magnet bite valve.. like 7 bucks at EMS and other sporting goods stores!!... wont ride without one always hated the damn camel units bobbling around.. and the Nelgene is about the best bite valve out there!! Better than the Camel any day... the articulating shut off is nice and big and easy to do with a full glove on (something no other can easily do) and they used to sell replacement gels,,, thou I guess they stopped that
    Still for 7 bucks.. if I were to buy a new pack tomorrow, I'd get a magnet bite valve and pull the stock one off right out of the gate.
    That's the set on Osprey packs but not all tubing is the same diameter. I think the Osprey tubing is bigger than Camelback tubing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    That's the set on Osprey packs but not all tubing is the same diameter. I think the Osprey tubing is bigger than Camelback tubing.
    Osprey's packs use the nalgene hydro units yes.......

    No, camels hose is slightly smaller but actually the internal dia is close.... Run hot water thru the hose for a min or 2 and it'll stretch out easy and let the bite fit
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    Quote Originally Posted by MC uber tater View Post
    Simply an opinion. Many folks disagree with you.

    Absolutely false.

    If you know what you are doing then you can capture very good helmetcam video using "XC" helmets or other helmets that are not full face.

    Garbage in = garbage out. No amount of cheesy "work" in post will take mediocre footage and make it great.

    most people agree that the chest is the best view.. not that you can't get good footage in other locations, just the gopro is kinda blocky and sticks out in the way... can't mount on top tube and such as your knees will hit it,. unlike the may cigar styles ... I do think the GoPro's actual footage is cleaner and clearer.. but more limited in locations...

    never seen good "XC helmet" footage,.. it always shakes unless they've strapped all kindas of extra stuff to hold the helmet... also like was stated before the helmet mounts loose a lot of the texture of the view and gives a flat appearance of the terrain...

    garbage footage, yes.. OK footage can be edited with "pieces" of just OK footage that can be made at least interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomllama View Post
    I movie is pretty powerful.. can do a LOT if you know all the hidden stuff it has...

    First off, turn on the "Advanced Controls" in the - Pref's - general - section just click the little check mark and a few extras pop up.... get used to the basic interface then search around the web and find all the special effects and such that it'll do. Somewhere I did a simple "green screen" demo and also font and color changes... there are TONS of demos and stuff all over the web. but first just hit Apple's website and watch their quick tut's they will help a lot.

    here's the basic demo for Imovie I did some time ago...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQVFuNWaY_Y

    and here's the one I did with green screen title/background effects...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z5KmAS0YmY
    Thanks, much appreciated!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    You don't come into a forum and start giving people sh*t in your first ever posts.
    Quote Originally Posted by MC uber tater View Post
    Strike #2. Not my first posts. I predict that you'll have a very difficult time understanding that but regardless, you're wrong again.
    oh it's quite easy to understand you've been banned and had to change names regularly .....
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    Mods, can we just cut this guy and all our crappy response to and from him out please.... poor OP having to sift through the crap this guy caused...
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    oh and thanks you... just got 2 more "likes" on my videos on you tube.. guess people like my "crap" LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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    I came into this thread hoping to find some constructive advice for using the Gopro I got for Christmas. Instead I get two pages of this guy... Thanks for that.

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    Re: To all the GoPro/POV vets...

    Ok let's see if we can get this thread back on topic.

    1) i agree generally xc helmets shake more, especially with a gopro which is usually mounted sticking up and out rather precariously. Contour or other cameras that hug the helmet more will shake less. It also depends on the helmet's tightness and internal retention system. Speaking of tight helmet retention systems, that would be a good name for an eroto-punk goth band. But I digress.

    But, on the DH vs. XC helmet argument, dh helmets have the drawback of a large visor, which limit your angles unless you remove it. But, then you look like a seventies dirt biker from a Steve mcqueen movie.

    Side mounts feel weird to me, can't get used to those shots.

    Mc uber's XC helmet setup (before he was condemned to eternity) is (was) clearly a larger, heavier camera than the typical pov camera, which looks (looked) counter balanced by a weight on the opposite side. I could see how this setup could be pretty stable (but, it endures in forum purgatory only now).

    2) For reasons above, for gopro at least, i too feel the chest mount is the most stable and the best pov angle overall. Mount it in the chest mount upside down, allowing you to angle it up and out, so that it doesn't point straight into the ground when you're in your downhill crouch. There is a gopro setting to invert the recording, so that you don't need to rotate and re-encode in post processing, which loses some fidelity in re-encoding. Another plus for the chest mount over the helmet mount is lower cameras make the shot feel faster, and make the jumps look bigger. Edit: SmilinSteve smartly made this point already too

    But i agree mix it up and mix in different angles, using the best non shaking cuts from any of your mounts.

    3) Music selection, and editing to match the cuts to the feel of the music, is very important. I use a prog rock or other music with multi-phase songs, where songs evolve from slow to fast to slow in a single song, and I edit to take advantage of those transitions. They allow you to tell the story, create tension or expectation, capitalize on a climactic moment.
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    Hmmm, look who disappeared

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Hmmm, look who disappeared
    . Again. Sorry to the OP for my part in the mess.
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    Great advice in this thread, despite efforts of the absent party.

    I'm also in favor of the chest mount. Some people complain about the arms being in the way, but I feel it provides context for the viewer and translates the terrain better.

    Never had much luck with handlebar/seat post mounts - have broke several. But I found that the roll bar mount is pretty burly and works good on the downtube or top tube if you don't mine pedaling around it for the sake of a shot.

    But best points for starters, as stated - keep 'em under 4 minutes, minimize shake, and change angles including off bike shots.
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    I'm still trying to figure out a good chest mount set up using my hydration pack. With all the straps already on my body, it seems there must be a way to hook up without adding a whole separate strap system.

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    Wow, I went to dinner and didn't get back on last night. Looks like the thread derailed but righted itself. Great info guys, I appreciate it. I have to agree about the chest mount as far as stability. I like the vids I have seen from this position that's why that was the first accessory I purchased. I will experiment though.

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    The only issue with mounting directly to your pack is that the camera has to be very, very tight/secure or it will shake pretty bad. I usually have the chest/cross strap pulled over the bottom of my GoPro chesty mount and pull it pretty tight, works great.

    If find a solution, please let us know though, it would be a lot more convenient to mount directly to pack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post
    The only issue with mounting directly to your pack is that the camera has to be very, very tight/secure or it will shake pretty bad. I usually have the chest/cross strap pulled over the bottom of my GoPro chesty mount and pull it pretty tight, works great.

    If find a solution, please let us know though, it would be a lot more convenient to mount directly to pack.

    There are some ideas on youtube but most aren't very good. Some involve using the baseplate that comes on top of the box, and cutting holes in the corners to add straps. But it seems the most stable is to attach it directly to one of the pack shoulder straps. One guy melted holes into his shoulder strap and attached the "forehead" mount using electrical ties. Another example just uses the vented helmet strap wrapped around a shoulder strap. Since my pack is always too heavy my shoulder straps don't move too much, and having a chest strap from one shoulder strap to the other also would keep it fairly stable, I would think.

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    I have been using the GoPro's for 3 years now and have been shooting MTB videos for about 4 years (used a P&S with rigged up mounts prior to getting my first GoPro) and I can tell the vast difference in quality from my first video to the latest video I have done.

    Some tidbits I hope help the OP would be:


    1) Start your video with something that grabs the viewers attention. The first 10 seconds of your video are vital because that is the time whether someone decides to watch the rest of your video or hit the back button on the browser. Lure the viewers into the rest of your video.



    2) Plan your video in advance - as stated earlier, you want your video to be story so come up with a theme and build your video around it. You could make a theme of "It has been raining for the past 2 weeks, been jonesing for a ride so you decided to take a 4 hour trip to somewhere you could ride".


    3) For POV, front or rear, footage, having other rider(s) in the shot makes the video more interesting to watch. Capture the group having a great time - make the viewer picture themselves in the action with your group having a great time. After all, when we are watching your video, obviously we aren't riding at that time and wishing we could be riding so we fill our itch by watching you have a great time in your video.



    4) Make your video match the music you have chosen for the video - in my opinion, what separates a good video from an awesome video is how the footage transitions to the beat and tempo of the music.

    5) As stated earlier, you want to mix up various footages such as chesty, rear, external, etc. to keep the video from being monotonous. I try to swap views every 10 - 15 seconds unless it absolutely requires longer footage to capture a really interesting feature of the trail. Most of the time, 10 - 15 seconds is plenty for one particular scene of footage.

    6) Use effects to enhance your video - be careful not to go overboard excessively. The purpose of effects is like sugar on cereal - it's purpose is to enhance the taste, not become the main flavor. For example, slo-mo is an amazing effect when done in context. Slo-Mo is great for external footage like a jump, huge drop, clearing an obstacle. I would tend to stay away from slo-mo in POV unless there is something in the footage that would be enhanced by the effect. Effects should enhance your video, not distract from it.

    7) Flow. A good MTB video has flow. That is something that takes practice to master. The more you practice, the better you will get at making good flow in your videos.

    8) Watch other people's MTB videos to see what works and what doesn't. Plenty of average ho hum videos on Youtube to watch and plenty of awesome ones as well. Watch as many as you can, you will start to get the sense to what makes the ones that are awesome, well.. awesome. That will help you make awesome videos when you figure out what works.

    9) Have fun. That should be point #1.
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    Good XC helmet footage is possible, and it gives a better view of the action ahead IMO.



    My tips for a good XC helmet video:

    1. Get rid of vibrations. Stick a few layers of electric tape at the base of the vented helmet strap to make it fit tight. Use a screwdriver to tighten the knobs. Use a bandana under your helmet so you can tighten it harder without being uncomfortable.

    2. Use maximum vertical FOV. With Hero2, it means 960p. With the Hero3 it is 1440p. Seeing the handlebar is capital, otherwise it feels like it's just a bird flying over the track. But have the camera aim too low and it will crop out the horizon. It is very tricky to get right. Mark your helmet and mounts once you got it. The Hero3 has a little bit more vertical FOV which makes a huge difference for helmet footage.

    3. Use maximum frame rate even if you don't plan on doing slow-motions. It helps the image look clear & stable as the camera will pickup more data "in-between" the shaky frames. So it's 1440p 48fps with Hero3.

    4. Stretch video to 16:9 (optional). It'll look better at this aspect ratio and will actually make it look a bit faster. But the rider ahead might look like he/she has +10 lbs.

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    Nice vid and great info, Thanks! I am going to try the helmet attachment once the snow dries out here in Co.

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    Good advice here- I don't think I read get ride of the clicking noise there have been many discussions on how to do it and even though I enjoy hearing the tire on dirt (and other nature) sounds and nature I cannot watch GoPro videos that have that constant clicking noise that seem to come from chest mounts. Either eliminate the click or turn the GoPros sound off please.

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    Although I haven't tried it yet, this explains how to get rid of that noise. Any real world experience?

    GoPro HD Doohickey (vibration reduction mount attachment) - Action Camera News, Reviews, Videos - PointofViewCameras.com

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    A good example of creative use of a POV cam. Of course, Anthill Films is behind the editing, but this is a great example of how far you can take a simple set up:

    Video: Dream Capture - Thomas Vanderham - Pinkbike
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    To all the GoPro/POV vets...

    Quote Originally Posted by jhazard View Post
    A good example of creative use of a POV cam. Of course, Anthill Films is behind the editing, but this is a great example of how far you can take a simple set up:

    Video: Dream Capture - Thomas Vanderham - Pinkbike
    Yeah, that was a really well edited video, but man, I am SO sick of dubstep.

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    Dis tread is so much awesome. I'd learned some cool stuffs about those nasty being XC helemts and stuff.

    I be wishin dat I be readin dis thing befoe doin the ridins today cause I be usin da xc helemts and mah videos was da shits.

    DO NOT BE USIN DA XC HELEMTS FO DA POV VIDEOS CAUSE DEY ARE ALWAY DA SHAKY!

    Sorry bout da yellin but dis stuff is sooper importants!

    Shaky xc helmet vid dat be pissin meoff:


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    finally starting to get a bit creative, but still lacking in angles (need more helmet/chest/other angles) and more off-bike angles for sure are key. any criticism/feedback is wholly welcome!

    https://vimeo.com/pdubs/videos

    Thomas V-ham's trail crawl was an awesome edit, shoulda been shot with a GoPro though haha.

    One piece of advice is that the best way to get better at finding the best angle to shoot at/more mounting options/more creativity is simply trial & error and thinking about good options for filming while riding at your local trails... I am no expert or veteran though, so YMMV

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