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    The Revolution has begun ...


    The beginnings of the new Flatbread Revolution trail, which will link from near the bottom of Cyclone in Camel's Hump State Forest down to Route 100 at American Flatbread.

    If you want to help with the work, John and Walt will be out several times a week through September, and we will have an official day or two also. Stone masonry skills are in demand, this is a wet area with lots of rock installations. Fortunately, there are incredible supplies near the trail in some ideal places.

    Check out the Flatbread Fungi Fest on September 29th to help celebrate the start of the Revolution!

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    Quote Originally Posted by atkinson View Post
    ...the new Flatbread Revolution trail...will link from near the bottom of Cyclone in Camel's Hump State Forest down to Route 100 at American Flatbread.
    This is really good news! Great job getting landowner permission to make this happen!

    Quote Originally Posted by atkinson View Post
    If you want to help with the work, John and Walt will be out several times a week through September, and we will have an official day or two also. Stone masonry skills are in demand, this is a wet area with lots of rock installations. Fortunately, there are incredible supplies near the trail in some ideal places.
    Is either end of the trail open yet (or at least visible)? I might head in on one of my early AM rides and move some rocks around. I'm usually done riding by 8:30am, so usually can't make trail work days.
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    Hey Eric,

    It was five years of planning and negotiation to get the permissions. That part is done now though!

    The entrance from Flatbread is very obvious. Go to the left of the wood pile and back to the edge of the field. The big old farm road opening is pretty noticeable. Following the flagging until it leaves the old road, that's where the hand work starts.

    This is designed to be an intermediate route, so no flat slippy stones in the tread. We are going to build cribs and fill them with stone and capped with dirt in most places, at least three feet wide. There is a ton of organic material to remove still too.

    I'll be pinflagging projects in the next week or two.

    Thanks for the offer to help!

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    Nice.

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    The Revolution continues.

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    Ok- We are doing a Work day on this trail every Wed. till later in the fall.
    Meet in Flatbread parking Lot 4pm. Can't make 4-start when you can. Trail starts to left of the wood pile. Follow the flagging up. Tools: if it "digs" or "rakes" bring it.
    Hope to see you there! John C.

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    A few cell phone pictures

    A few shots in no particular order. JC
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    Can't wait to go check it out.

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    Work continues

    Had our first "group work day" last Wed. Will meet again next week,Wed-4:00 pm Behind Flatbread. JC
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    When does the 500 feet of board walk through the wetland go in?

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    Yea, some wet sections near the top. We moved a line further up the hill . This greatly reduces the need for so much wood. JC

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    Quote Originally Posted by stovepipe View Post
    Yea, some wet sections near the top. We moved a line further up the hill . This greatly reduces the need for so much wood. JC
    That's good. Lot's of wood structures means alot of money and work to keep them up. Not as duarble as we think in moist enviornments. Did the Cyclone race ever happen?

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    The bridging should be less 100 feet now, no wet land crossing. We are working from the bottom first, because we don't want the top entrance done until it connects all the way to Flatbread. There is a lot of rock and good soil close to the trail. We'll see how much we can use before resorting to bridges.

    We have a bank of salvaged pt to use for the structure. We hope to use Baird hemlock decking, but may stick with the pt, if we have enough. I have some traction plans.

    The insurance telephone game proved too much for me to get it dialed for the race. I do think there may be a grander finish next year at Flatbread. Momentum is hard to get rolling, but once you got it, you're moving.

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    Hey Rocky----

    Bullwinkle must have gone out for Pizza last night. Next Berm in the making. JC
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    Seems like you need MUCH larger stones. Cool Moose track!

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    Seems like you should follow your own advice, more time helping build trails and less time on the computer. We'd love to see you on Wednesday.

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    You mean like this?

    This one all most got away. JC
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    Quote Originally Posted by stovepipe View Post
    This one all most got away. JC
    Now we're speaking the same language!
    John...sorry. I'll be working on the Blue Berry Lake trails all day Wednesday. Like to be home for dinner. Think that puts me over 100 hours on that project. Plus a couple hundred hours here on the Norwich stuff. I really do need to get my hands dirty more.
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    Walked this trail yesterday. Good to see some volenteers out. With all the riders in the Valley, it's amazing that only John and Walt show up. Same two dudes doing the work for hundreds of users. Keep it up guys, and when in doubt, go bigger, and bury deeper. If you can kick a rock out of place (no matter how big), then it needs to be toothed in more. Otherwise it will move if someone crashes into it, not to mention what the freeze/thaw is going to do on such a wet hillside over a few seasons. Just my 2 cents, you can take it or leave it, not trying to stir the pot.

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    We had two members of the MOB show up too, remember them? The tide is turning, though. We've had more volunteers show up this year, than ever before. Certainly, we need many more folks to help.

    The list of riders who always have time to pedal and little or no time for building is long. Some of them even benefit financially from the work and never show. But if we let this get us down, the good stuff stops happening. Regardless of the challenges, we have much more momentum than ever before.

    As for the rocks, I keep pushing for bigger and deeper. We continue to discuss the issues and we are moving in the right direction. As we will likely be working on this next spring to finish, anything that doesn't work over the winter will be obvious. And I always kick at the stones to see which ones move.

    I remember going through this evolution and in some ways, I still am. Working with Hardy, Brooke, Knight, you and Patrick has grown my skills a lot. Sometimes I still try to cut a corner and use something too small, but I always hear the voices chiding me, especially yours.

    Many thanks for coming by last night, it was nice to see so many faces in the woods. As much as we felt judged, I think it is very important to keep feedback from experts flowing. We have changed this route a few times now, based partly on Caitrin's and Hardy's suggestions and we will keep improving the build quality too.

    Part of the naming of this trail is to highlight the developments in design/build quality and landowner relationships. Vive la Revolution!
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    Any work is good work. We've been lucky enough to get to spend thousands of collective hours doing this over the last few years and it just makes sense to try and share what we have learned. Take a field trip to Kimmers and stop to take a look at the scale to which the upper turns were built. That was all hand work but would be very difficult without the cart and 2 good rock bars. Keep it up!

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    Still getting in few days in the dirt

    Some nice days JC
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    Nice trail building... Your following the rules!
    Hard work lasts longer than the easy way. well done
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    A couple of shots from this weekend's project.





    Many thanks to Jared Hossefros and CRW for the excavator, Sean Flynn for his time, patience and expertise, and Marv Theurer/ Earthworks for help with moving the machine. A special shout out to John Cole and Walt Silbernagel too, these guys are machines.

    Oh my god, we are close to completion. We hope to get the boardwalk foundations laid this Saturday, then it's hammer time.

    The Grand Opening is tentatively scheduled for next Memorial Day. We are hoping for an enduro as part of it, Enchanted Forest-Cyclone Connector-Cyclone-Revolution, 5 miles/500' of climb/1500' of descent. Given the Valley riding community's tendencies, we may have to add a race that is the reverse of this route.

    You can check it out now, but please walk around any soft sections. Over about 1.5 miles, there are only a few hundred feet that aren't ready to try. It climbs really well too, so park at Flatbread and get the whole experience. The trailhead is behind the woodpile, out in the big field.

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    an enduro in the spring sounds awesome, as there aren't any other enduros that time of year I'm aware of. Perfect way to showcase some new stuff...
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    The Mad River Riders have been very busy this spring ...


    A quick north-pointing balance rock to mark the beginning of the main singletrack. After so much stone blending, you get a little whimsical.


    My first really big under drain. The trail tread is now topcoated with mineral soils over 6-8" of coarsely hand-smashed schist in a bedrock/slab casing.


    Just around the corner.


    The crux of the biscuit. This section turned out pretty amazing, keep scrolling. Other stuff that I was worried about from last fall seemed to have weathered and settled well too.


    Creating a raised and widened trail on a steep sideslope.


    Another view of the same section, using different rock types. We built a retaining wall, then started to fill the void with the odd puzzle pieces. Many thanks to GMVS for so much help!


    Side view.


    I am not totally convinced of this technique, although many of these are dug in significantly, and we did backfill the slabs to anchor them better. I also pushed for more really big rocks perpendicular to these as foundation points. The trail tread is totally bomber and most of this work is invisible when riding.


    GMVS has been awesome, a bunch of hard core kids that need better trails to train on, so they can get stronger. I think we've found a potentially infinite loop.


    Thinking is hard. Go find more rock.


    Finished product. We got up to grade with hammer-crushed schist to lock the rocks together and then capped it with some local clay. The Stark Mountain Thursday night ride came through a few hours later and you couldn't even see their tracks. It packed and settled that quickly.

    We are not done yet. In fact, some of the toughest stuff is still ahead. Join us this Sunday 11 AM - 2 PM for one of the final major pushes before ...


    ****************RevolutionTrailOpen

    Even better ... the MRR/USFS Blueberry Lake trail network grand opening is June 1st, National Trails Day.


    ****************BlueberryLakeTrailsOpen

    Plus, we have at least three miles of new trails planned for this summer and that's just the stuff we can talk about now. Momentum is good.

    John

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    Looks great! I see you went with rocks and fill for the rocky turn. You folks have done a lot of work this spring. Count me in for Sunday,can't wait to get my hands dirty. Are you meeting at topside then for Sundays trail work day?
    John

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    We will be working on the top section, but the amount of time you spend driving up Dana Hill Rd is about the same as walking from Flatbread. We are trying to stage some bridge materials up high, if your truck is working and able.

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    Truck is out, Meet you at Flatbread. JC

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    cool report John.. can't wait to see the first POV footage so we can see it in action...
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    Com'on Manch...Me and some of our crew will be hitting these spots up for sure. We tend to go up sat and camp then ride Sunday. Your welcome to join

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    Still have some work to do to finish, but it was in pretty incredible shape for several days of rain. Waterproofing is possible.

    This is the dedication from today ... many thanks to all that braved the weather.

    Welcome to the Revolution.

    The Mad River Riders and VMBA are proud to announce a partnership with Lareau Farm/ American Flatbread, the Featherbed Inn and Dana Forest Farm/ the Laskovski family to open a new intermediate multi-use trail that connects Waitsfield to Camel's Hump State Forest on Dana Hill Rd. The trail is called Revolution.

    The name honors several revolutions. First and foremost, Revolution is the original American Flatbread, which helped spark a responsible food revolution that continues to grow and evolve.

    Secondly, the trail is a revolution for the Mad River Riders. With a core of difficult terrain, we are committed to crafting high quality beginner and intermediate routes to inter-connect and highlight the entire Mad River Valley.

    As part of this evolution, we are putting a lot more effort into planning, designing and building our trails. We have tried to create a safe, fun, well-drained, climbable and sustainable route. With the official opening of the Blueberry Lake network next weekend, we are excited to help further this mission.

    The Riders are also cultivating stronger relationships with local businesses and landowners to encourage economic vitality, while conserving the working landscape and healthy environment of the Mad River Valley.

    The final revolution we honor is the wheel. It is a powerful symbol, representing the circle of life, the cycle of the seasons, the spin of the earth and sun. Round is profound.

    The wheel is a sign of progress and one of our most primal tools, with ancient use in food production, especially in the grinding of grain for bread and beer. Function and fun united.

    In beer and bread, we find the beginnings of our agrarian human culture and the advance of civilization. Some have argued that this was all a bad idea, but the wheel is turning and we can't slow it down. Hopefully though, we can steer it some place good. By the way, bicycles are one of the most efficient tools man has ever created.

    The Revolution trail supports a stronger community, by helping better connect a treasured piece of public land, Camel's Hump State Forest, two working farms, two inns and a restaurant to downtown Waitsfield, through the Mad River Path's Austin Walk and the Waitsfield Village Path.

    Looking upstream, this is the final link in a mostly trail connection from Sugarbush Village to Waitsfield. Someday, we hope to connect to the Fayston School from here and we are also planning new beginner and intermediate routes in Camel's Hump State Forest. As a recreation resource , the Revolution trail will encourage healthy activity and draw more visitors to the Mad River Valley.

    While it is non-violent, this Revolution is not bloodless. We poured blood, sweat, tears and smiles into the trail and are better for it. We have re-evolved too.

    Many thanks to all our members, volunteers and supporters, especially John Cole, Walt Silbernagel, Sean Flynn, Woods CRW/ Volvo, Jared Hosefros, Earthworks, Marv and Evan Theurer, John Egan, the staff and students of GMVS, Jeff Mack/Northern Reliability and especially the landowners, Lareau Farm/ American Flatbread, the Featherbed Inn and Dana Forest Farm/ the Laskovski family.

    Please enjoy and enjoin the Revolution.

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