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    Bear Brook trailfest

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    NEMBA TrailFests are weekend camping, trailbuilding and riding events that celebrate NEMBA's work hard / play harder philosophy.
    Come spend a weekend with other riders from around New England, build some great trails, camp out and ride. It's doesn't get much better!

    Southern New Hampshire NEMBA presents ....

    Bear Brook Trails Columbus day Weekend
    October 6 & 7 , 2012
    Come for 2 days or 1 day!


    Join us For a weekend of hard work and great riding at Bear brook state park.
    Help us begin our new collaboration with the State Bureau of Trails and increase the amount of single track in Bear Brook.
    We have numerous projects planned but we need your help!,
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    Southern NH NEMBA cordially invites mountain bikers to a weekend of trail building and riding.
    Please RSVP Here if you wish to attend.
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    The schedule of events is:

    10/6 Friday 6 pm- Night Ride leaving from Hiker / Biker lot

    10/7 Saturday - 8 am - 1 pm - Trail work - meet at the Hiker/ Biker lot
    1-2 pm Lunch ( not provided)
    2- 5 pm – Ride ( hiker biker lot)
    5-? Barbeque ( provided) and good times

    10/8 Sunday - 8 am - 1 pm - Trail work - meet at the Hiker/ Biker lot
    1-2 pm Lunch ( not provided)
    2- 5 pm – Ride ( from hiker biker lot)

    Camping options -
    Bear Brook campground 603-485-9869
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    I can barely get my mouth around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post

    10/6 Friday 6 pm- Night Ride leaving from campground store

    10/7 Saturday - 8 am - 1 pm - Trail work - meet at the Hiker/ Biker lot
    1-2 pm Lunch ( not provided)
    2- 5 pm – Ride ( from campground store)
    5-? Barbeque ( provided) and good times

    10/8 Sunday - 8 am - 1 pm - Trail work - meet at the Hiker/ Biker lot
    1-2 pm Lunch ( not provided)
    2- 5 pm – Ride ( from campground store)
    Just wanted to clarify. Saturday is 10/6. I'm assuming that there is nothing going on Monday 10/8 for Columbus day. Correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecwashere7 View Post
    Just wanted to clarify. Saturday is 10/6. I'm assuming that there is nothing going on Monday 10/8 for Columbus day. Correct?
    Yes, what he said... James, in on a site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecwashere7 View Post
    Just wanted to clarify. Saturday is 10/6. I'm assuming that there is nothing going on Monday 10/8 for Columbus day. Correct?
    Right 6th& 7th Saturday & Sunday, plus night ride Friday @6

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    planning on being there for sunday prob will have at least 2 other guys also

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    2 weeks until trailfest at Bear brook

    lots happening, we'll need lots of help

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    This is an awesome opportunity the State is giving NEMBA, but they will need all the help they can get. Even if you can only pitch in for a few hours one of the days, please consider signing up.

    There is no feeling of satisfaction quite like rolling down a trail that you helped build/improve. I also guarantee you will have fun as you meet and work with some great people.

    Hope to see you there,
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    this weekend`

    its coming fast, please plan on helping at least 1 day.
    supposed to be someone from the state taking pics for their advertising

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    I sent Peter an email saying I am planning to help out on Saturday. Is there anything you suggest I bring?
    That creep can roll, man.

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    gloves , water, lunch. your bike & gear if youre riding after , beer after the ride

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    I was wondering if any details are going to be released about the park upgrades now that this weekend is finishing up. I wish I could have made part of this weekend, but with a week of rain earlier, I ended up working all weekend, including tomorrow. I'm pretty excited about the future of this place because I can see the possibilities.
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    Trailfest went great

    we had a great turnout for the trailfest. Got 2 bears trails and a big re route on cascade
    all are open for riding, still a bit rough but fun,
    Thanks to all that could make it, I'll keep you posted on future events

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooctrl View Post
    I was wondering if any details are going to be released about the park upgrades now that this weekend is finishing up. I wish I could have made part of this weekend, but with a week of rain earlier, I ended up working all weekend, including tomorrow. I'm pretty excited about the future of this place because I can see the possibilities.
    cant be too specific because all the new trails and re routes need to be laid out and approved which takes time. basically we have the green light to add and improve trails to make bear brook into a mtn bike destination ala kingdom trails, in many ways better ( camping for instance) so we are adding and connecting single track to single track, so the bikers and hikers can have a wilderness setting , while keeping the existing double track and dirt roads for slower riders, horses etc. seperating the user groups as much as possible. Our goal is to have 40+ miles of single track, as well as new signage, kiosks, permanent marked loops etc. Its not going to happen overnight but if we can keep up the momentum we should be able to add several miles a year

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooctrl View Post
    I was wondering if any details are going to be released about the park upgrades now that this weekend is finishing up.
    Specifics on what was completed this weekend:

    A new Little Bear trail was put in. It runs roughly parallel to and north of the old Little Bear. The lower entrance is at the same spot as the old Little Bear. The upper entrance is where the old LB meets Podunk. Splitting off of the new LB near the top is a new trail called Big Bear, which exits just below the hiker/biker lot where the Bear Brook trail starts. This creates numerous new singletrack loop options in this area.

    A significant reroute was also completed on the lower end of Cascade. The steps are no more, but the replacement is way cooler with significant benching and switchbacks. The reroute starts not far below where Carr Ridge intersects Cascade, and the trail now exits directly across from the Bear Brook trail, eliminating a few hundred yards of fire road for those connecting the two. I'm sure some will miss riding down the steps, but now that riding up Cascade is much more enjoyable, I think people will find the number of attractive singletrack loop options has increased quite a bit.
    I can barely get my mouth around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalphile View Post
    Specifics on what was completed this weekend:

    A new Little Bear trail was put in. It runs roughly parallel to and north of the old Little Bear. The lower entrance is at the same spot as the old Little Bear. The upper entrance is where the old LB meets Podunk. Splitting off of the new LB near the top is a new trail called Big Bear, which exits just below the hiker/biker lot where the Bear Brook trail starts. This creates numerous new singletrack loop options in this area.

    A significant reroute was also completed on the lower end of Cascade. The steps are no more, but the replacement is way cooler with significant benching and switchbacks. The reroute starts not far below where Carr Ridge intersects Cascade, and the trail now exits directly across from the Bear Brook trail, eliminating a few hundred yards of fire road for those connecting the two. I'm sure some will miss riding down the steps, but now that riding up Cascade is much more enjoyable, I think people will find the number of attractive singletrack loop options has increased quite a bit.
    Thanks Pete, That sounds great. Is the old LB closed now? or are there now just more options? Stoked about checking it out.
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    Just rode BigBear, nice job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    cant be too specific because all the new trails and re routes need to be laid out and approved which takes time. basically we have the green light to add and improve trails to make bear brook into a mtn bike destination ala kingdom trails, in many ways better ( camping for instance) so we are adding and connecting single track to single track, so the bikers and hikers can have a wilderness setting , while keeping the existing double track and dirt roads for slower riders, horses etc. seperating the user groups as much as possible. Our goal is to have 40+ miles of single track, as well as new signage, kiosks, permanent marked loops etc. Its not going to happen overnight but if we can keep up the momentum we should be able to add several miles a year
    Thank You so much Dan and all the were a part!! I wish I could have Joined you guys but it wasnt in the cards for me this weekend. I am looking forward to other trail work days and would love to help improve NH's premier riding spot. I am glad that the state has given you the greenlight to expand the already awesome network.

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    Just rode em, nice work and thank you to all those who put in the time to get it done. Especially liked the sign asking horses to stay off, nicely done. I rode out hemlock to get there and I was cursing those walking glue stix. Someone ponied up hemlock and chewed it up pretty good. Left plenty of holes and $hit behind. It was nice to see the signs, politely prohibiting per canned Alpo. Thanks for the new trails to all those involved.

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    went out and rode the new stuff last night. Started with carr ridge down to cascade etc.. I'll start off by saying, big bear, even though we rode it as it was getting dark and it was really soft as expected I think will be a cool trail once it packs down etc.. even though it's a one way down trail, I always find the flow somewhat off on the IMBA standard built trails I know they are built that way for sustainability but it's always the same... up down and turn, up down and turn, up down and turn.. not as fast as I would hope for being a one way down but time will tell once packed.. overall though I think it will be a nice addition.

    On the other hand, I and everyone in my group that's been riding bear brook for years, some as many as 16 years came to the same conclusion that the cascade reroute is an utter and complete abortion and killed the lower part of an awesome descent off carr ridge. The corners were probably some of the worst layed out I've ever seen or ridden.

    I know I'll take heat as I always do for my opinion blah blah blah an people will get on me about shovel, or shut up etc some wussy trolls will give me neg. rep and not have balls to sign it.. but someone's responsible for layout and I and many others just think it was terrible so it had to be said.
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    Yeah people who don't ride well, but talk loads of BS on the Interwebs would say that about the new trails... They would also know about, but not show up to lend a hand at a place they have ridden for the last 428 years. Help out and create better trails with your vast knowledge instead of throwing stones at EVERYONE from behind the keyboard homie.
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    Is there a plan to do some benching in the middle of Big bear? I know you guys did a ton of work to put the trails in, there is a section in the middle of Big bear that seems like it is going to be benched, where as it want to meandor down the hill. I wasn't able to make it to the trail event, but would be more then willing to come out and lend a hand if you guys have any unfinished work out there. I live right outside the park and would be happy to contribute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    went out and rode the new stuff last night. Started with carr ridge down to cascade etc.. I'll start off by saying, big bear, even though we rode it as it was getting dark and it was really soft as expected I think will be a cool trail once it packs down etc.. even though it's a one way down trail, I always find the flow somewhat off on the IMBA standard built trails I know they are built that way for sustainability but it's always the same... up down and turn, up down and turn, up down and turn.. not as fast as I would hope for being a one way down but time will tell once packed.. overall though I think it will be a nice addition.

    On the other hand, I and everyone in my group that's been riding bear brook for years, some as many as 16 years came to the same conclusion that the cascade reroute is an utter and complete abortion and killed the lower part of an awesome descent off carr ridge. The corners were probably some of the worst layed out I've ever seen or ridden.

    I know I'll take heat as I always do for my opinion blah blah blah an people will get on me about shovel, or shut up etc some wussy trolls will give me neg. rep and not have balls to sign it.. but someone's responsible for layout and I and many others just think it was terrible so it had to be said.
    I did'nt get a chance to get all the way out to the new exit off Cascade last night. I did'nt bring my light and was pushing it on the daylight. Sounds like it's pretty twisty. It's good to keep in mind that people whom MTB have different ideas on what is good, fun or appropriate. Tight slow cornering appeals to some folks who might not enjoy swallowing up everything on their full squish bikes. I love everything about the exit off Carr ridge, having another option certainly isn't a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvinnf View Post
    Is there a plan to do some benching in the middle of Big bear? I know you guys did a ton of work to put the trails in, there is a section in the middle of Big bear that seems like it is going to be benched, where as it want to meandor down the hill. I wasn't able to make it to the trail event, but would be more then willing to come out and lend a hand if you guys have any unfinished work out there. I live right outside the park and would be happy to contribute.
    yes, still a work in progress
    we will be there Saturday 8-12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvinnf View Post
    Just rode em, nice work and thank you to all those who put in the time to get it done. Especially liked the sign asking horses to stay off, nicely done. I rode out hemlock to get there and I was cursing those walking glue stix. Someone ponied up hemlock and chewed it up pretty good. Left plenty of holes and $hit behind. It was nice to see the signs, politely prohibiting per canned Alpo. Thanks for the new trails to all those involved.

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    according to the state horses are NOT allowed on singletrack and they are supposed to pick up their road apples

    we will be making some new Kiosks, one in Hayes field that will have all the park rules, maps, etc. by spring, maybe before winter.
    The equine people for the most part are great and happy to follow the rules, some just dont know and some are jerks. The signage will stop 90 % of it and the rest will be dealt with as needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    On the other hand, I and everyone in my group that's been riding bear brook for years, some as many as 16 years came to the same conclusion that the cascade reroute is an utter and complete abortion and killed the lower part of an awesome descent off carr ridge. The corners were probably some of the worst layed out I've ever seen or ridden.

    .
    we have a saying, if you dont help , then you have no right to complain

    the Cascade stairs were completely rotten and mostly not even there anymore , so much for the right of passage. I also remember when the stairs were difficult to ride.
    the thing to keep in mind is thats what happens when you dont build a sustainable trail network. unless you want to do constant maintenance it will degrade into nothing.
    Re your comments about the design, I sugest you walk the ridge from the old trail head to the new , it is a very steep, tough section that is a complete nightmare as far as making a sustainable trail down, you can either do as we did and have several switch backs or you go straight down , which would last about 2 seasons. Dont forget, that Cascade re route is 2 way, down and up
    All 3 trails we recently did are not finished, we got them roughed in and will continue to fine tune and bench as needed, the objective was to get them open for riding ASAP,
    Just so you know we had over 250 man hours put into those trails so far , we need alot of volunteers to continue, how hard is it to help out for half a day? the more people who help the faster we can get them done and start on new stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    FYI
    according to the state horses are NOT allowed on singletrack and they are supposed to pick up their road apples

    we will be making some new Kiosks, one in Hayes field that will have all the park rules, maps, etc. by spring, maybe before winter.
    The equine people for the most part are great and happy to follow the rules, some just dont know and some are jerks. The signage will stop 90 % of it and the rest will be dealt with as needed
    Because Hemlock is not an official trail does, does that complicate keeping them off? Is Hemlock going to be included as an official trail at some point? It seems they have taken a liking to riding that trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    yes, still a work in progress
    we will be there Saturday 8-12
    My wife and I coach the kiddos on Sat, they play at 1130. I will come down for 8 to 11 to lend a hand. Would you like me to bring anything tool wise?

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    is there anything during the week.. afternoons? been a crazy year, but I usually have most of my time for trail work the middle of october on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvinnf View Post
    Because Hemlock is not an official trail does, does that complicate keeping them off? Is Hemlock going to be included as an official trail at some point? It seems they have taken a liking to riding that trail.
    not sure
    I know that there was talk of allowing them there, but Im against it, plus the law is no singletrack, doesnt say legal or not, Hemlock was built in the 30s by the CCC , Ive been told that it was closed but if that true or not I dont know, it may have been abandoned. We are in the process of making it legal, but we also need to design and build a bridge and re route and then get approval so it may not be untill next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvinnf View Post
    My wife and I coach the kiddos on Sat, they play at 1130. I will come down for 8 to 11 to lend a hand. Would you like me to bring anything tool wise?
    gloves and water , we have all the tools

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    is there anything during the week.. afternoons? been a crazy year, but I usually have most of my time for trail work the middle of october on...
    not as of now but that could change, Ill post up here if so

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    Hi Dan, can you give an idea where the next batch of trails will go in? When will the next meeting be to discuss future plans? BigBear is cool and all, but right next to LittleBear, is the plan to close LB or just more options, to ease traffic on LB?
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    Will people be building trails on sunday? I could not make it to the last one but would like to come out this sunday. I don't get out of work until 12 but do not mind spending my afternoon working on the trails that i love to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepeRst View Post
    Will people be building trails on sunday? I could not make it to the last one but would like to come out this sunday. I don't get out of work until 12 but do not mind spending my afternoon working on the trails that i love to ride.

    not this week, sat. 8-12 only
    looks like just a few people

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    went out and rode the new stuff last night. Started with carr ridge down to cascade etc.. I'll start off by saying, big bear, even though we rode it as it was getting dark and it was really soft as expected I think will be a cool trail once it packs down etc.. even though it's a one way down trail, I always find the flow somewhat off on the IMBA standard built trails I know they are built that way for sustainability but it's always the same... up down and turn, up down and turn, up down and turn.. not as fast as I would hope for being a one way down but time will tell once packed.. overall though I think it will be a nice addition.

    On the other hand, I and everyone in my group that's been riding bear brook for years, some as many as 16 years came to the same conclusion that the cascade reroute is an utter and complete abortion and killed the lower part of an awesome descent off carr ridge. The corners were probably some of the worst layed out I've ever seen or ridden.

    I know I'll take heat as I always do for my opinion blah blah blah an people will get on me about shovel, or shut up etc some wussy trolls will give me neg. rep and not have balls to sign it.. but someone's responsible for layout and I and many others just think it was terrible so it had to be said.
    Every ying needs a yang.

    I was given a tour last night by one the Gents that was kind enough to put some of the 250 man hours building, and am sure at least twice that in the planning and red tape that it took to get the built.

    I found the decent of Carr ridge to be quite delightful. I loved how you guys made the trail transition over to Bear Brook trail so you dont need to ride the fire roads anymore. Those corners are sharp and kept me on my toes.

    The new Little Bear was a very nicely laid out climb. Once it packs down hopefully it wont kick my butt so much. I like on part especially that twists right through some small pine trees .

    Big Bear is totally my favorite of the new batch. Once this packs down its gonna be very fast the turns are well thought out and that rock drop in the middle is awesome!! The fact that it pops out right at the beginning of Bear Brook trail is Icing on the cake.

    Dan, Matt and all the other NEMBA guys thank you for your time and effort. and PLEASE get some Sunday trail work days on the books so I can join in!

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    thank you for all the hard work. I love the new trails.

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    dont hate me

    but Manchvegas was partialy right
    thats right , I said it. dont kick me out of the forums

    the Cascade re route does have a too tight switchback, the first one is very snug and we will be fixing it. the other 2 rode pretty good to me. and as a bonus the trail is a bit longer, the only real change was to close the last section to the old steps and route it down farther.

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    Thank you

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    thank you for all the hard work. I love the new trails.
    I'd like to thank all the people who have been helping, after today we've got close to 300 hrs in and its starting to pay off

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    there has been some discussion as to whether or not switch the direction of the 2 bears, any comments?

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    I rode on Friday and I think Big Bear would be great in either direction. It's nice to have the option. Great job on two plus miles of new trail that opens up a lot of options for new loops.
    Get out and ride even when you don't want to because ten minutes into the ride you'll be glad you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    there has been some discussion as to whether or not switch the direction of the 2 bears, any comments?
    Wait... People ride up Little Bear? That's crazy talk.

    Is there any plan to build some singletrack that would connect the Hemlock area with the area near the top of Hedgehog Ledge? It would be nice to have an alternative to Broken Boulder.
    That creep can roll, man.

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    Two things about switching come to mind. The rock drop is pretty freakin sweet and will only become sweeter with time. I also think that having the long switchback on the down lets you pedal and really get some good speed. Once the New Little Bear packs out I think it wll be a great climb. It gets you to the top of the hill quickly and makes your lungs burn. It stinks that you have to make them directional.

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    Dan, I wouldn't switch them. I would just allow people to choose how they want to ride them. I ride them both on the down : ) I ride back up pondunk or pitch pine to salt lick. Speeds are faster going down BigBear vs New LB. There's one corner on BigBear, hairpin left, sandy soil, needs some help, major speed dump.
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    I am hearing that Little Bear will be closed soon now that these 2 new trails have gone in??

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    That's the news on the street, bye bye Little Bear. I think it should be closed temporally, allowed to heal, then re-opened. The more trails the better, less brake bumps and traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    That's the news on the street, bye bye Little Bear. I think it should be closed temporally, allowed to heal, then re-opened. The more trails the better, less brake bumps and traffic.
    Heal? Even if it were closed for a year it would still continue to erode just with nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Severum View Post
    Heal? Even if it were closed for a year it would still continue to erode just with nature.
    Direct the water off the trail, no dorks riding their brakes, see what happens. It's an excellent xc-ski trail, much better than BigBear will be for skiing. It's not just a mtn bike park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    Direct the water off the trail, no dorks riding their brakes, see what happens. It's an excellent xc-ski trail, much better than BigBear will be for skiing. It's not just a mtn bike park.
    Lets not pretend we don't know each other quite well Nate. I xc ski almost everyday on a good winter... I love little bear as a ski trail. I thought that they were closing it only to bikes. They can't close it to skis and horses, there is no where else to direct traffic.

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    If that's the case, cool for skiing, but it will be the 1st trail in the park off limits to bike, not sure I like that idea. Whatever, life goes on....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    but Manchvegas was partialy right
    thats right , I said it. dont kick me out of the forums

    the Cascade re route does have a too tight switchback, the first one is very snug and we will be fixing it. the other 2 rode pretty good to me. and as a bonus the trail is a bit longer, the only real change was to close the last section to the old steps and route it down farther.
    the 2nd half of the trail is great, lots of benching... my main complaint was the total interruption of flow at the very beginning of the reroute with the too tight corner... I never said I had tact in how I said things. let me know of any weeknight work I can give a hand...
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    Ok, I can't resist, I usually just lurk here, reading and learning, but I need to chime in on this one. I'm one of those that has been riding bear brook for almost 20yrs. I've spent a lot of time on those trails. I think what makes bear brook great is the trails aren't like every other trail out there. It's not all switch backs and the usual items that we would see in trails built specifically for MT biking.

    Does BB need new trails? Definitely. Are a lot of the old trails in need of repair? Of course. But we need to find a way to do it without ruining the feel of BB. It would be great if the pre-existing trails could keep their feel and flow. Let's keep Bear Brook unique.

    I say all this to give you and idea of why I say that cascade is now horrible. It's not just about the new corners which were way to tight it's about the over all feel, the flow, the path, the direction itself. The "soul" of the ride itself. It leads away from the brook and the ridge and really just kills the over all spirit of the ride. I'm not really sure how else to say it.

    Please do me a favor and don't jump all over me and start saying "you didn't help, you can't complain". There are going to be a LOT more people riding these trails than helping build them and if we ignore those voices then this project won't make it very far. Why would someone want to ride trails they don't like? Why would one want to come out and help build trails with people who will totally write off their opinion. Let's lose the attitude.

    Ok, rant off, for now.

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    Wait... People ride up Little Bear? That's crazy talk.

    Is there any plan to build some singletrack that would connect the Hemlock area with the area near the top of Hedgehog Ledge? It would be nice to have an alternative to Broken Boulder.
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    another trail day

    This Sunday 10/21 8-12 going to finish up big bear, maybe start detailing new little bear and cascade.

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    sorry guys, state wants old little bear closed, I love it but lets face it, its an erosion nightmare, pretty much a gash several feet deep.
    blame the atvs for destroying it, once they tore it up it just keeps getting worse .
    maybe after being abandoned for a few years it might recoup, but I doubt it
    there will be plenty more new trails to take your mind off of it. already with the 2 new bears and cascade it opens up some new loop possibilities and quick 8 mile rides right out of the parking lot.
    try bear brook, bear brook extension, catamount, lower sentinal pine(alpd huez) up carr ridge to cascade across to bear brook , out to new little bear down big bear , back to parking , just over 8 miles , good mix of DH and climbing, some tech and some smooth xc no fire roads
    https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...031cdc05&msa=0

    soon we will be working on sentinal pine ( upper part that is usually under water and a n old rutted out logging road). I would like to fix Carr ridge a bit, ts getting pretty rough.
    dont be negative , there will be plenty of great trails, look at the lower sentinal pine re route not much to complain about there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twistedpsyche View Post
    Ok, I can't resist, I usually just lurk here, reading and learning, but I need to chime in on this one. I'm one of those that has been riding bear brook for almost 20yrs. I've spent a lot of time on those trails. I think what makes bear brook great is the trails aren't like every other trail out there. It's not all switch backs and the usual items that we would see in trails built specifically for MT biking.

    Does BB need new trails? Definitely. Are a lot of the old trails in need of repair? Of course. But we need to find a way to do it without ruining the feel of BB. It would be great if the pre-existing trails could keep their feel and flow. Let's keep Bear Brook unique.


    Please do me a favor and don't jump all over me and start saying "you didn't help, you can't complain". There are going to be a LOT more people riding these trails than helping build them and if we ignore those voices then this project won't make it very far. Why would someone want to ride trails they don't like? Why would one want to come out and help build trails with people who will totally write off their opinion. Let's lose the attitude.

    Ok, rant off, for now.
    well, not everyone is going to like every trail. our goal is to make Bear brook a mtn bike destination . weve put alot of thought and effort in to get this far, we are the first group to actually get the states approval tp do this. You need to keep in mind that the State has certain parameters that must be met. This is a public park and there are rules. There are also rules reguarding trail design, that include maximum pitch, erosion control, etc.) the cascade steps were gone, rotted into mush and a safety issue. there is no where in that spot for a new trail, to the right is the brook, to the left a steep ridge. you cannot have a trail run straight down a ridge ( fall line) it cannot be sustained and would erode quickly, the only way down is to switch back several times. thats the only way, anything else will not last. you only lost a short piece of the old trail and the steps
    sorry, but things change. If you look at the original park map from the 30s you would be suprised at how much the park has changed over the years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twistedpsyche View Post
    Ok, I can't resist, I usually just lurk here, reading and learning, but I need to chime in on this one. I'm one of those that has been riding bear brook for almost 20yrs. I've spent a lot of time on those trails. I think what makes bear brook great is the trails aren't like every other trail out there. It's not all switch backs and the usual items that we would see in trails built specifically for MT biking.


    Please do me a favor and don't jump all over me and start saying "you didn't help, you can't complain". There are going to be a LOT more people riding these trails than helping build them and if we ignore those voices then this project won't make it very far. Why would someone want to ride trails they don't like? Why would one want to come out and help build trails with people who will totally write off their opinion. Let's lose the attitude.

    Ok, rant off, for now.
    I could say why would I listen to someone who
    a) has ridden there for 20 years and hasnt helped once.
    B) didnt come to any meetings weve had for the past 2 years
    c) doesnt understand basic trail design

    how can your opinion be totally written off when this is your only post? You're right there are alot more riders than builders, but so far Ive heard 2 negative riders and dozens of possitive. It seems to me that you are the one with an attitude and a negative one at that. If you come to meetings and trail days you will find out why some things are done the way they are.
    Are there trails at Bear Brook that I dont like to ride ? sure several, so guess what , I avoid them and ride the ones I do like, I suggest you do the same

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    mmmm, every year my tall geared fully rigid ss makes more and more sense at bear brook

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
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    try bear brook, bear brook extension, catamount, lower sentinal pine(alpd huez) up carr ridge to cascade across to bear brook , out to new little bear down big bear , back to parking , just over 8 miles , good mix of DH and climbing, some tech and some smooth
    Did this route last thursday night but we did it from the Toll booth/ Day use lot. I enjoyed it a lot.

    Are you guys meeting at Hiker/ Biker Sunday morning? Also is if one wants to help do they need to bring any tools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    I could say why would I listen to someone who
    a) has ridden there for 20 years and hasnt helped once.
    B) didnt come to any meetings weve had for the past 2 years
    c) doesnt understand basic trail design

    how can your opinion be totally written off when this is your only post? You're right there are alot more riders than builders, but so far Ive heard 2 negative riders and dozens of possitive. It seems to me that you are the one with an attitude and a negative one at that. If you come to meetings and trail days you will find out why some things are done the way they are.
    Are there trails at Bear Brook that I dont like to ride ? sure several, so guess what , I avoid them and ride the ones I do like, I suggest you do the same
    I Really don't get how someone is always deemed as "negative" when they share there opinion that you yourself admitted was right. All I said was how bad the corners were and that it really interrupted the flow of the best downhill trail in the park (in my opinion). An I'd be happy to help but most of my time is weeknights. I really wanted to make it to the meetings and was in touch with pedalphile quite a bit about it, but it just didn't work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrain48 View Post
    Did this route last thursday night but we did it from the Toll booth/ Day use lot. I enjoyed it a lot.

    Are you guys meeting at Hiker/ Biker Sunday morning? Also is if one wants to help do they need to bring any tools?
    yep, hiker mtn biker lot off podunk
    no tools , just gloves and water, maybe lunch if youre riding after

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    I Really don't get how someone is always deemed as "negative" when they share there opinion that you yourself admitted was right. All I said was how bad the corners were and that it really interrupted the flow of the best downhill trail in the park (in my opinion). An I'd be happy to help but most of my time is weeknights. I really wanted to make it to the meetings and was in touch with pedalphile quite a bit about it, but it just didn't work out.
    I wasnt calling you negative it was a reply to twisted

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    I Really don't get how someone is always deemed as "negative" when they share there opinion that you yourself admitted was right. All I said was how bad the corners were and that it really interrupted the flow of the best downhill trail in the park (in my opinion). An I'd be happy to help but most of my time is weeknights. I really wanted to make it to the meetings and was in touch with pedalphile quite a bit about it, but it just didn't work out.
    Really I cant believe you guys are complaining about less the .2 mile of trail and some rotted out stairs. The corners are tight yes but you know what I would rather ride the reroute on cascade then ride double track and get horse crap in my tread. Things change fella's and life goes on.

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    Dan, let's not take all rough out of Carr Ridge, the chunky sections are good fun.
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    Rode the revised sections today. I like the revision at the bottom of cascade with the switch backs. First switchback is kind of tight but I nailed it first try, not really an issue to me. Riding out west you will find some REAL tight switchbacks. The old section was not that long to cry about it being gone. If you want steps go try hedgelog ledge trail, those are some real steps!

    Big bear is pretty nice, but obviously needs to be packed down with usage and time. I like how the land is used by throwing in long switchbacks to snake down that section of land.

    I am sad/upset/mad that I can't ride Little Bear anymore. I thought the erosion added a certain addicting technicality to the trails. This part actually really upsets me, as I would ride this trail several times in a trip.

    Such is life though. I was pissed when sentinel pine got logged out, but got over it. I'm over this and am more pleased that new and revised trails are going into Bear Brook. Good job guys and ladies that worked on the trails.

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    our original plan was to leave the old little bear for the horses and pedestrians, maybe a little trail work but thats it, after inspecting it the state said no dice. cant have everything, I would rather be on good terms with them and lose 1 trail, then not be able to do all the trails we have planned.
    all I can say is wait and see, there is alot of new stuff comming, something for everyone.

    looks like the state is going to get serious about limiting the horses to double track
    once we get the kiosks made the rules will be posted and there will be no excuses. I dont know how serious they are about making them pick up their road apples, but that is also a rule. They are going to install gates and lock them at 8PM, but in a goodwill gesture to us they will leave the hiker biker lot open for night riding.

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    bear brook for the muthafvckin WIN!!!

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    What's up with the reroute on hemlock? Is it going all the way to or past the pit , or is it a response to the gigantic blow down. Hopefully it is going down towards the pit below the ridge line. The section with the blow down is rideable both ways and erases a crappy corner loaded with stutter bumps.

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    There is another trail day this Sunday. Meet at the Hiker/Biker lot on Podunk Rd. at 8am. We'll be working to 12 or 1 depending on progress. We'll be doing more benching on Big Bear to harden it in the upper traverses.

    No trail building experience is necessary and you don't need to bring any tools - just work gloves, water, and any food you may want. Consider bringing your bike as well as there is often a group ride after the work.
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    I finally got a chance to ride Big Bear yesterday. Damn, that is a fun ride. One question: are there any plans for putting in some small berms on it? There were a couple of turns that I came close to washing out on that seemed to be running away from the fall line (if that makes sense). Are there any more days this fall that trail work is planned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecwashere7 View Post
    I finally got a chance to ride Big Bear yesterday. Damn, that is a fun ride. One question: are there any plans for putting in some small berms on it? There were a couple of turns that I came close to washing out on that seemed to be running away from the fall line (if that makes sense). Are there any more days this fall that trail work is planned?
    did more today
    might be another 1 or 2 trails days, I'll post here if so
    Im getting tired, 1 weekend working at Highland and 3 here takes it out of you

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    smelly dog poo alert on Big Bear, some horse poop on upper little bear. lot's of poop out there, be careful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    did more today
    might be another 1 or 2 trails days, I'll post here if so
    Im getting tired, 1 weekend working at Highland and 3 here takes it out of you
    Cool. I'd really like to help out, but it's tough to get out for an extended amount of time with infant twins at home. I'm hoping our schedules mesh at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    smelly dog poo alert on Big Bear, some horse poop on upper little bear. lot's of poop out there, be careful.
    I hit one of those land mines yesterday also poo on Bear brook

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    Bubbly Bear rips. IMO, outstanding trail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Severum View Post
    Bubbly Bear rips. IMO, outstanding trail!
    I agree its starting to pack down well. new little bear is still very soft I bet it doesnt get ridden as much

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    So any plan for berms? I know they're not necessary but there are a couple turns that I could see getting pretty torn up from poor turning/breaking. I would imagine that putting in some berms would help minimize that. I'm not thinking we need Kitchel-sized ones, but ones that will allow for less hard braking and washing out trying to cut across the fall line of the hill.

    All of this commentary is purely for the sake of discussion and curiosity. I really hope to get out and join in this effort. BB has always been my favorite place to ride in NH, and I am incredibly appreciative of the hard work that everyone has already put in to making a great park even better.
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    Take another look out there: major improvements on Big Bear in the last few days. The fast right after the split rock has been pulled out away from the hill a bit and groomed into a much larger, smoother radius. No more wiggling to try to hug the slope there. A few saplings have also been removed along the traverse just downhill of this area since they were forcing riders to take a wiggly line on fairly straight sections of trail. Wide bars rejoice! Not only does this make it easier and more fun to ride, all the wiggling would have eventually widened and destroyed the trail.

    The first switchback below this one has also been greatly improved and now takes on a more familiar shape. It's no kitchell berm, but the line has been corrected and opens up to firm, fairly level footing at the lower transition, just where it's needed most to rail the turn hard without converting all your speed to brake heat.

    I'm hoping to get out there tomorrow night to ride (~6:30pm). I'm happy to give a tour of the new stuff to anyone interested.

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    I just want to take a moment to thank everyone for the hard work. This is exactly what the sport and NH needs!! Please keep posting trail days as I hope to help out as soon as work slows down... Thanks Again!

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    I made it out there tonight. Both Bears are riding very nicely. The improvements on Big Bear mentioned above made a world of difference and the trail is more fun than ever.

    Little Bear is getting firmer, but you do earn your gravity pedaling up it. I think LB gets roughly the same amount of traffic as Big Bear, but it's constructed a bit differently with more organic matter left on the tread. This usually takes a little longer to firm up as the organic stuff is spongy and holds water until it's fully compressed. With all the benching on Big Bear, very little organic matter was left behind and thus it is packing down a tad quicker.
    I can barely get my mouth around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalphile View Post
    Take another look out there: major improvements on Big Bear in the last few days. The fast right after the split rock has been pulled out away from the hill a bit and groomed into a much larger, smoother radius. No more wiggling to try to hug the slope there. A few saplings have also been removed along the traverse just downhill of this area since they were forcing riders to take a wiggly line on fairly straight sections of trail. Wide bars rejoice! Not only does this make it easier and more fun to ride, all the wiggling would have eventually widened and destroyed the trail.

    The first switchback below this one has also been greatly improved and now takes on a more familiar shape. It's no kitchell berm, but the line has been corrected and opens up to firm, fairly level footing at the lower transition, just where it's needed most to rail the turn hard without converting all your speed to brake heat.

    I'm hoping to get out there tomorrow night to ride (~6:30pm). I'm happy to give a tour of the new stuff to anyone interested.

    -Pete

    Those were exactly the spots I was thinking about. I'm really impressed with the work you guys are doing. I wish I could get to BB more often. I love that place.
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    just got out to bear brook yesterday to try the new trails, let me say they are awesome. Big bear is flowing very nice and theres some nice rocks to drop off of and get some air. Looking forward to seeing bear brooks improvments especially since there 4miles from my house!! Just got on MTBRs forums so ill be on the look out for future construction days to do my part!!

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    big smelly crap alert on big bear

    wtf?
    I usually dont pay much attention to crap complaints but 3 different people on 3 seperate days?
    keep eyes peeled for the dog or human and let them know its not cool to leave **** on the trail

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    I went the other day, and came upon a couple riding MTB's on Big Bear, and they had a cute little dog chasing them while they ride.

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    nah
    this crap was as big as that dog

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    Has anyone been to BB since Sandy? I'm curious of how much work needs to be done to the trails. Are there any trail days planned for the near future?
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    I will likely get out there this weekend and will report back if I do.

    They will be setting up the posts for the new kiosks later this morning (11/3). Meet at the hiker/biker lot at 9am if you happen to see this in time and want to pitch in.
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    Made it there today, there's qwite a bit of wash out on he trails but manageable... Surpisingly a lot of the bigger trees where cut down but still a few down, we moved what we could but no saw prevents us from cutting away anything. Big bear was In very well shape even where the sections that had dirt brought into them were still in tact. Definitly get out there while there's still some time

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    salt lick between the new trails and hemlock , broken boulder upper section near podunk and hemlock all had good size trees down

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    Also beginning of catamount, that and what u mentioned is pretty much all I seen

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    Quote Originally Posted by hybridzeg8 View Post
    Made it there today, there's qwite a bit of wash out on he trails but manageable... Surpisingly a lot of the bigger trees where cut down but still a few down, we moved what we could but no saw prevents us from cutting away anything. Big bear was In very well shape even where the sections that had dirt brought into them were still in tact. Definitly get out there while there's still some time

    "Big bear was In very well shape even where the sections that had dirt brought into them were still in tact. "

    Glad you like it, thats what sustainable trails are all about, if they are designed and built properly the water will not do damage. compare that trail to broken boulder or chipmunk or the old little bear and you can definately see the difference
    We all like a trail like the old little bear, but the reality is , they are not really good designs and they fall apart. I hope everyone understands and will bear with us while we make the park a better place to ride

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    Is bear brook open to gun hunting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcklr View Post
    Is bear brook open to gun hunting?
    yes, partially, most of the camp ground side is not , there are signs along the road

    no hunting in Ma. on Sundays though

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    yes, partially, most of the camp ground side is not , there are signs along the road

    no hunting in Ma. on Sundays though
    How about NH? Are there any trails at BB that you would avoid during hunting season? I ride with a bear bell and a bright yellow shirt, but I'd still like to give anyone packing heat a wide berth.
    That creep can roll, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecwashere7 View Post
    How about NH? Are there any trails at BB that you would avoid during hunting season? I ride with a bear bell and a bright yellow shirt, but I'd still like to give anyone packing heat a wide berth.
    I've never had a problem, seen hunters up on bear hill and hall mtn but never any issues

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