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    Bear Brook trailfest

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    NEMBA TrailFests are weekend camping, trailbuilding and riding events that celebrate NEMBA's work hard / play harder philosophy.
    Come spend a weekend with other riders from around New England, build some great trails, camp out and ride. It's doesn't get much better!

    Southern New Hampshire NEMBA presents ....

    Bear Brook Trails Columbus day Weekend
    October 6 & 7 , 2012
    Come for 2 days or 1 day!


    Join us For a weekend of hard work and great riding at Bear brook state park.
    Help us begin our new collaboration with the State Bureau of Trails and increase the amount of single track in Bear Brook.
    We have numerous projects planned but we need your help!,
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    Southern NH NEMBA cordially invites mountain bikers to a weekend of trail building and riding.
    Please RSVP Here if you wish to attend.
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    The schedule of events is:

    10/6 Friday 6 pm- Night Ride leaving from Hiker / Biker lot

    10/7 Saturday - 8 am - 1 pm - Trail work - meet at the Hiker/ Biker lot
    1-2 pm Lunch ( not provided)
    2- 5 pm – Ride ( hiker biker lot)
    5-? Barbeque ( provided) and good times

    10/8 Sunday - 8 am - 1 pm - Trail work - meet at the Hiker/ Biker lot
    1-2 pm Lunch ( not provided)
    2- 5 pm – Ride ( from hiker biker lot)

    Camping options -
    Bear Brook campground 603-485-9869
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    I can barely get my mouth around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post

    10/6 Friday 6 pm- Night Ride leaving from campground store

    10/7 Saturday - 8 am - 1 pm - Trail work - meet at the Hiker/ Biker lot
    1-2 pm Lunch ( not provided)
    2- 5 pm – Ride ( from campground store)
    5-? Barbeque ( provided) and good times

    10/8 Sunday - 8 am - 1 pm - Trail work - meet at the Hiker/ Biker lot
    1-2 pm Lunch ( not provided)
    2- 5 pm – Ride ( from campground store)
    Just wanted to clarify. Saturday is 10/6. I'm assuming that there is nothing going on Monday 10/8 for Columbus day. Correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecwashere7 View Post
    Just wanted to clarify. Saturday is 10/6. I'm assuming that there is nothing going on Monday 10/8 for Columbus day. Correct?
    Yes, what he said... James, in on a site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecwashere7 View Post
    Just wanted to clarify. Saturday is 10/6. I'm assuming that there is nothing going on Monday 10/8 for Columbus day. Correct?
    Right 6th& 7th Saturday & Sunday, plus night ride Friday @6

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    planning on being there for sunday prob will have at least 2 other guys also

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    2 weeks until trailfest at Bear brook

    lots happening, we'll need lots of help

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    This is an awesome opportunity the State is giving NEMBA, but they will need all the help they can get. Even if you can only pitch in for a few hours one of the days, please consider signing up.

    There is no feeling of satisfaction quite like rolling down a trail that you helped build/improve. I also guarantee you will have fun as you meet and work with some great people.

    Hope to see you there,
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    this weekend`

    its coming fast, please plan on helping at least 1 day.
    supposed to be someone from the state taking pics for their advertising

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    I sent Peter an email saying I am planning to help out on Saturday. Is there anything you suggest I bring?
    That creep can roll, man.

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    gloves , water, lunch. your bike & gear if youre riding after , beer after the ride

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    I was wondering if any details are going to be released about the park upgrades now that this weekend is finishing up. I wish I could have made part of this weekend, but with a week of rain earlier, I ended up working all weekend, including tomorrow. I'm pretty excited about the future of this place because I can see the possibilities.
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    Trailfest went great

    we had a great turnout for the trailfest. Got 2 bears trails and a big re route on cascade
    all are open for riding, still a bit rough but fun,
    Thanks to all that could make it, I'll keep you posted on future events

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooctrl View Post
    I was wondering if any details are going to be released about the park upgrades now that this weekend is finishing up. I wish I could have made part of this weekend, but with a week of rain earlier, I ended up working all weekend, including tomorrow. I'm pretty excited about the future of this place because I can see the possibilities.
    cant be too specific because all the new trails and re routes need to be laid out and approved which takes time. basically we have the green light to add and improve trails to make bear brook into a mtn bike destination ala kingdom trails, in many ways better ( camping for instance) so we are adding and connecting single track to single track, so the bikers and hikers can have a wilderness setting , while keeping the existing double track and dirt roads for slower riders, horses etc. seperating the user groups as much as possible. Our goal is to have 40+ miles of single track, as well as new signage, kiosks, permanent marked loops etc. Its not going to happen overnight but if we can keep up the momentum we should be able to add several miles a year

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooctrl View Post
    I was wondering if any details are going to be released about the park upgrades now that this weekend is finishing up.
    Specifics on what was completed this weekend:

    A new Little Bear trail was put in. It runs roughly parallel to and north of the old Little Bear. The lower entrance is at the same spot as the old Little Bear. The upper entrance is where the old LB meets Podunk. Splitting off of the new LB near the top is a new trail called Big Bear, which exits just below the hiker/biker lot where the Bear Brook trail starts. This creates numerous new singletrack loop options in this area.

    A significant reroute was also completed on the lower end of Cascade. The steps are no more, but the replacement is way cooler with significant benching and switchbacks. The reroute starts not far below where Carr Ridge intersects Cascade, and the trail now exits directly across from the Bear Brook trail, eliminating a few hundred yards of fire road for those connecting the two. I'm sure some will miss riding down the steps, but now that riding up Cascade is much more enjoyable, I think people will find the number of attractive singletrack loop options has increased quite a bit.
    I can barely get my mouth around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalphile View Post
    Specifics on what was completed this weekend:

    A new Little Bear trail was put in. It runs roughly parallel to and north of the old Little Bear. The lower entrance is at the same spot as the old Little Bear. The upper entrance is where the old LB meets Podunk. Splitting off of the new LB near the top is a new trail called Big Bear, which exits just below the hiker/biker lot where the Bear Brook trail starts. This creates numerous new singletrack loop options in this area.

    A significant reroute was also completed on the lower end of Cascade. The steps are no more, but the replacement is way cooler with significant benching and switchbacks. The reroute starts not far below where Carr Ridge intersects Cascade, and the trail now exits directly across from the Bear Brook trail, eliminating a few hundred yards of fire road for those connecting the two. I'm sure some will miss riding down the steps, but now that riding up Cascade is much more enjoyable, I think people will find the number of attractive singletrack loop options has increased quite a bit.
    Thanks Pete, That sounds great. Is the old LB closed now? or are there now just more options? Stoked about checking it out.
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    Just rode BigBear, nice job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    cant be too specific because all the new trails and re routes need to be laid out and approved which takes time. basically we have the green light to add and improve trails to make bear brook into a mtn bike destination ala kingdom trails, in many ways better ( camping for instance) so we are adding and connecting single track to single track, so the bikers and hikers can have a wilderness setting , while keeping the existing double track and dirt roads for slower riders, horses etc. seperating the user groups as much as possible. Our goal is to have 40+ miles of single track, as well as new signage, kiosks, permanent marked loops etc. Its not going to happen overnight but if we can keep up the momentum we should be able to add several miles a year
    Thank You so much Dan and all the were a part!! I wish I could have Joined you guys but it wasnt in the cards for me this weekend. I am looking forward to other trail work days and would love to help improve NH's premier riding spot. I am glad that the state has given you the greenlight to expand the already awesome network.

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    Just rode em, nice work and thank you to all those who put in the time to get it done. Especially liked the sign asking horses to stay off, nicely done. I rode out hemlock to get there and I was cursing those walking glue stix. Someone ponied up hemlock and chewed it up pretty good. Left plenty of holes and $hit behind. It was nice to see the signs, politely prohibiting per canned Alpo. Thanks for the new trails to all those involved.

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    went out and rode the new stuff last night. Started with carr ridge down to cascade etc.. I'll start off by saying, big bear, even though we rode it as it was getting dark and it was really soft as expected I think will be a cool trail once it packs down etc.. even though it's a one way down trail, I always find the flow somewhat off on the IMBA standard built trails I know they are built that way for sustainability but it's always the same... up down and turn, up down and turn, up down and turn.. not as fast as I would hope for being a one way down but time will tell once packed.. overall though I think it will be a nice addition.

    On the other hand, I and everyone in my group that's been riding bear brook for years, some as many as 16 years came to the same conclusion that the cascade reroute is an utter and complete abortion and killed the lower part of an awesome descent off carr ridge. The corners were probably some of the worst layed out I've ever seen or ridden.

    I know I'll take heat as I always do for my opinion blah blah blah an people will get on me about shovel, or shut up etc some wussy trolls will give me neg. rep and not have balls to sign it.. but someone's responsible for layout and I and many others just think it was terrible so it had to be said.
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    Yeah people who don't ride well, but talk loads of BS on the Interwebs would say that about the new trails... They would also know about, but not show up to lend a hand at a place they have ridden for the last 428 years. Help out and create better trails with your vast knowledge instead of throwing stones at EVERYONE from behind the keyboard homie.
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    Is there a plan to do some benching in the middle of Big bear? I know you guys did a ton of work to put the trails in, there is a section in the middle of Big bear that seems like it is going to be benched, where as it want to meandor down the hill. I wasn't able to make it to the trail event, but would be more then willing to come out and lend a hand if you guys have any unfinished work out there. I live right outside the park and would be happy to contribute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    went out and rode the new stuff last night. Started with carr ridge down to cascade etc.. I'll start off by saying, big bear, even though we rode it as it was getting dark and it was really soft as expected I think will be a cool trail once it packs down etc.. even though it's a one way down trail, I always find the flow somewhat off on the IMBA standard built trails I know they are built that way for sustainability but it's always the same... up down and turn, up down and turn, up down and turn.. not as fast as I would hope for being a one way down but time will tell once packed.. overall though I think it will be a nice addition.

    On the other hand, I and everyone in my group that's been riding bear brook for years, some as many as 16 years came to the same conclusion that the cascade reroute is an utter and complete abortion and killed the lower part of an awesome descent off carr ridge. The corners were probably some of the worst layed out I've ever seen or ridden.

    I know I'll take heat as I always do for my opinion blah blah blah an people will get on me about shovel, or shut up etc some wussy trolls will give me neg. rep and not have balls to sign it.. but someone's responsible for layout and I and many others just think it was terrible so it had to be said.
    I did'nt get a chance to get all the way out to the new exit off Cascade last night. I did'nt bring my light and was pushing it on the daylight. Sounds like it's pretty twisty. It's good to keep in mind that people whom MTB have different ideas on what is good, fun or appropriate. Tight slow cornering appeals to some folks who might not enjoy swallowing up everything on their full squish bikes. I love everything about the exit off Carr ridge, having another option certainly isn't a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvinnf View Post
    Is there a plan to do some benching in the middle of Big bear? I know you guys did a ton of work to put the trails in, there is a section in the middle of Big bear that seems like it is going to be benched, where as it want to meandor down the hill. I wasn't able to make it to the trail event, but would be more then willing to come out and lend a hand if you guys have any unfinished work out there. I live right outside the park and would be happy to contribute.
    yes, still a work in progress
    we will be there Saturday 8-12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvinnf View Post
    Just rode em, nice work and thank you to all those who put in the time to get it done. Especially liked the sign asking horses to stay off, nicely done. I rode out hemlock to get there and I was cursing those walking glue stix. Someone ponied up hemlock and chewed it up pretty good. Left plenty of holes and $hit behind. It was nice to see the signs, politely prohibiting per canned Alpo. Thanks for the new trails to all those involved.

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    according to the state horses are NOT allowed on singletrack and they are supposed to pick up their road apples

    we will be making some new Kiosks, one in Hayes field that will have all the park rules, maps, etc. by spring, maybe before winter.
    The equine people for the most part are great and happy to follow the rules, some just dont know and some are jerks. The signage will stop 90 % of it and the rest will be dealt with as needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    On the other hand, I and everyone in my group that's been riding bear brook for years, some as many as 16 years came to the same conclusion that the cascade reroute is an utter and complete abortion and killed the lower part of an awesome descent off carr ridge. The corners were probably some of the worst layed out I've ever seen or ridden.

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    we have a saying, if you dont help , then you have no right to complain

    the Cascade stairs were completely rotten and mostly not even there anymore , so much for the right of passage. I also remember when the stairs were difficult to ride.
    the thing to keep in mind is thats what happens when you dont build a sustainable trail network. unless you want to do constant maintenance it will degrade into nothing.
    Re your comments about the design, I sugest you walk the ridge from the old trail head to the new , it is a very steep, tough section that is a complete nightmare as far as making a sustainable trail down, you can either do as we did and have several switch backs or you go straight down , which would last about 2 seasons. Dont forget, that Cascade re route is 2 way, down and up
    All 3 trails we recently did are not finished, we got them roughed in and will continue to fine tune and bench as needed, the objective was to get them open for riding ASAP,
    Just so you know we had over 250 man hours put into those trails so far , we need alot of volunteers to continue, how hard is it to help out for half a day? the more people who help the faster we can get them done and start on new stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    FYI
    according to the state horses are NOT allowed on singletrack and they are supposed to pick up their road apples

    we will be making some new Kiosks, one in Hayes field that will have all the park rules, maps, etc. by spring, maybe before winter.
    The equine people for the most part are great and happy to follow the rules, some just dont know and some are jerks. The signage will stop 90 % of it and the rest will be dealt with as needed
    Because Hemlock is not an official trail does, does that complicate keeping them off? Is Hemlock going to be included as an official trail at some point? It seems they have taken a liking to riding that trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    yes, still a work in progress
    we will be there Saturday 8-12
    My wife and I coach the kiddos on Sat, they play at 1130. I will come down for 8 to 11 to lend a hand. Would you like me to bring anything tool wise?

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    is there anything during the week.. afternoons? been a crazy year, but I usually have most of my time for trail work the middle of october on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvinnf View Post
    Because Hemlock is not an official trail does, does that complicate keeping them off? Is Hemlock going to be included as an official trail at some point? It seems they have taken a liking to riding that trail.
    not sure
    I know that there was talk of allowing them there, but Im against it, plus the law is no singletrack, doesnt say legal or not, Hemlock was built in the 30s by the CCC , Ive been told that it was closed but if that true or not I dont know, it may have been abandoned. We are in the process of making it legal, but we also need to design and build a bridge and re route and then get approval so it may not be untill next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvinnf View Post
    My wife and I coach the kiddos on Sat, they play at 1130. I will come down for 8 to 11 to lend a hand. Would you like me to bring anything tool wise?
    gloves and water , we have all the tools

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    is there anything during the week.. afternoons? been a crazy year, but I usually have most of my time for trail work the middle of october on...
    not as of now but that could change, Ill post up here if so

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    Hi Dan, can you give an idea where the next batch of trails will go in? When will the next meeting be to discuss future plans? BigBear is cool and all, but right next to LittleBear, is the plan to close LB or just more options, to ease traffic on LB?
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    Will people be building trails on sunday? I could not make it to the last one but would like to come out this sunday. I don't get out of work until 12 but do not mind spending my afternoon working on the trails that i love to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepeRst View Post
    Will people be building trails on sunday? I could not make it to the last one but would like to come out this sunday. I don't get out of work until 12 but do not mind spending my afternoon working on the trails that i love to ride.

    not this week, sat. 8-12 only
    looks like just a few people

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    went out and rode the new stuff last night. Started with carr ridge down to cascade etc.. I'll start off by saying, big bear, even though we rode it as it was getting dark and it was really soft as expected I think will be a cool trail once it packs down etc.. even though it's a one way down trail, I always find the flow somewhat off on the IMBA standard built trails I know they are built that way for sustainability but it's always the same... up down and turn, up down and turn, up down and turn.. not as fast as I would hope for being a one way down but time will tell once packed.. overall though I think it will be a nice addition.

    On the other hand, I and everyone in my group that's been riding bear brook for years, some as many as 16 years came to the same conclusion that the cascade reroute is an utter and complete abortion and killed the lower part of an awesome descent off carr ridge. The corners were probably some of the worst layed out I've ever seen or ridden.

    I know I'll take heat as I always do for my opinion blah blah blah an people will get on me about shovel, or shut up etc some wussy trolls will give me neg. rep and not have balls to sign it.. but someone's responsible for layout and I and many others just think it was terrible so it had to be said.
    Every ying needs a yang.

    I was given a tour last night by one the Gents that was kind enough to put some of the 250 man hours building, and am sure at least twice that in the planning and red tape that it took to get the built.

    I found the decent of Carr ridge to be quite delightful. I loved how you guys made the trail transition over to Bear Brook trail so you dont need to ride the fire roads anymore. Those corners are sharp and kept me on my toes.

    The new Little Bear was a very nicely laid out climb. Once it packs down hopefully it wont kick my butt so much. I like on part especially that twists right through some small pine trees .

    Big Bear is totally my favorite of the new batch. Once this packs down its gonna be very fast the turns are well thought out and that rock drop in the middle is awesome!! The fact that it pops out right at the beginning of Bear Brook trail is Icing on the cake.

    Dan, Matt and all the other NEMBA guys thank you for your time and effort. and PLEASE get some Sunday trail work days on the books so I can join in!

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    thank you for all the hard work. I love the new trails.

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    dont hate me

    but Manchvegas was partialy right
    thats right , I said it. dont kick me out of the forums

    the Cascade re route does have a too tight switchback, the first one is very snug and we will be fixing it. the other 2 rode pretty good to me. and as a bonus the trail is a bit longer, the only real change was to close the last section to the old steps and route it down farther.

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    Thank you

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    thank you for all the hard work. I love the new trails.
    I'd like to thank all the people who have been helping, after today we've got close to 300 hrs in and its starting to pay off

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    there has been some discussion as to whether or not switch the direction of the 2 bears, any comments?

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    I rode on Friday and I think Big Bear would be great in either direction. It's nice to have the option. Great job on two plus miles of new trail that opens up a lot of options for new loops.
    Get out and ride even when you don't want to because ten minutes into the ride you'll be glad you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0 View Post
    there has been some discussion as to whether or not switch the direction of the 2 bears, any comments?
    Wait... People ride up Little Bear? That's crazy talk.

    Is there any plan to build some singletrack that would connect the Hemlock area with the area near the top of Hedgehog Ledge? It would be nice to have an alternative to Broken Boulder.
    That creep can roll, man.

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    Two things about switching come to mind. The rock drop is pretty freakin sweet and will only become sweeter with time. I also think that having the long switchback on the down lets you pedal and really get some good speed. Once the New Little Bear packs out I think it wll be a great climb. It gets you to the top of the hill quickly and makes your lungs burn. It stinks that you have to make them directional.

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    Dan, I wouldn't switch them. I would just allow people to choose how they want to ride them. I ride them both on the down : ) I ride back up pondunk or pitch pine to salt lick. Speeds are faster going down BigBear vs New LB. There's one corner on BigBear, hairpin left, sandy soil, needs some help, major speed dump.
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    I am hearing that Little Bear will be closed soon now that these 2 new trails have gone in??

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    That's the news on the street, bye bye Little Bear. I think it should be closed temporally, allowed to heal, then re-opened. The more trails the better, less brake bumps and traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    That's the news on the street, bye bye Little Bear. I think it should be closed temporally, allowed to heal, then re-opened. The more trails the better, less brake bumps and traffic.
    Heal? Even if it were closed for a year it would still continue to erode just with nature.

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