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    Ventana Mutt?

    I have a question or the suspension-savvy out there. I am receiving a Dean warranty frame in the distant future. They have moved to a new rear suspension design that uses one of Sherwood's swingarms paired witha different rocker set up. Will the suspension performance be similar to Ventana (i.e. progressive rate, compliance, etc.) Or do the different parts change things? Tough to describe so here's a picture of the prototype:
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    I am just guessing (so no real value on this ), but I could almost bet that the different rockers will vary the characteristics of the suspension...in which direction... no idea...

    see.. now things are clear as mud

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    travel

    I probably should have mentioned that it is a 5" travel bike.

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    what's the length of that shock?
    Former Homer...Ventana convert: extreme poseur!

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    shock stroke

    I didn't know so I just called Dean (there have been many complaints about Dean CS , but I have been able to reach them very easily, and they are patient with my thousands of questions. They are, however, still really slowabout getting bikes built.)

    The shock is a 2" stroke

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    Sounds like they are using the same 7.875 x 2" stroke that Ventana uses on their 5" bikes. It might be a different eye to eye though. That will give you the same ratio, but I am with Cris on the fact that those rockers have to change something. And is it just me or do they look really thin and flimsy. I don't the the rear end is going to be as stiff. The way a suspension acts while riding is a combination of all of the parts...not just the stays.

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    Those rockers look chincy. I hope they are stronger than they look.

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    Dean rockers

    The rockers are titanium and have been used for the past four years. I've only heard of one failure. I'm almost certain that it won't be a stiff as a true Ventana. The ti rockers and seat stays virtually assure it will have moge wiggle. Since the rockers are smaller than Ventana (Cinco) will that affect things? bigger lever vs. smaller lever? My engineering/physics background is virtually nonexistant.

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    Looks good though, but is there actually a purpose in changing something that already works?

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    change is change

    Marketing seems to dictate a change for most bike brands every 2-3 years. Actually in this case the change was functional: Previously the front of the swingarm pivoted around the bottom bracket - great for reducing pedal feedback, but bad when they pushed the travel to 5". Big tires started hitting the seat tube. Anyhow that's what the folks at Dean told me.

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    I see they're still using that segmented seat tube... hmmm.

    Maybe you can talk them into sending you a straight-up hardtail.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Hardtail

    I tried that when I first sent in my broken (aluminium) framein July. I was pretty ticked off and didn't want to go through the 6-12 month waiting around and calling every other week that I went through for my last warranty with them. I figured I would just try to get any basic ti hardtail that they had around and dump it on ebay to fund a new frame (Ventana). They actually wanted as much to upgrade to a hardtail as to a ti full suspension. I guess at least this way I get a new RP 23 shock out of it...

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