Ventana El Ciclon vs. Ellsworth Epiphany
Looking at purchasing either the Epiphany or El Ciclon. I'm a downhiller at heart that is getting a bit older and more into long backcountry rides. Want something that I can bomb on but will also climb well...with that I've narrowed it down to these two. Also, anyone 5'7", ~180, w/ a 28" inseam riding either of these bikes? What size are you riding? Preference between the two? Thanks!
Feeding your addiction
Grab a beer or 3 and sit down for some reading here on mtbr. Start looking closely at the reputations of these two companies for both frame durability and customer service/ethics/integrity and the choice will quickly become very clear. Get the Ventana.
Originally Posted by iegge10
28" inseam is a tough one though, neither is going to give you any standover clearance to speak of. You may need to consider going semi-custom with better clearance.
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Based on those two I would get a Ventana hands down. Like Ventanarama said do some reading. take your time, and talk to each company as well. I don't own a bike from either company, but from everything I have read Ventana is an amazing company with amazing bikes. Based on the numbers I think the El Ciclon would fit you rstyle better as well.
WIth your 28" inseam the semi-custom might be the way to go. Ventana will do semi-custom or custom geometry on all frames. Just give them a call and discuss your needs.
If these are your top two choices thats great, but there are a couple other bikes out there in this same catagory.....check out the Knolly Endorphin, and the Turner 5.5 Spot.
Good luck. You really can't make a bad decision with any of these bikes. OUt of those four I would love to go the semi-custom on a Ventana some day.
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I'm a ciclon pilot and gotta say that a lot of bikes will impress you with their climbing abilities once you've got the shocks dialed in. The Ciclon (and I'm sure there are others out there like this, though I've yet to ride them) is one of those bikes you kick yourself for not getting sooner.
The real surprise to the ciclon is when it gets pointed downward. A true thrill ride.
As for the other bike... (this space left intentionally blank).
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Originally Posted by Ventanarama
ELLSWORTH are you there???
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That's all I'm saying. This is now OT, but comparing bikes is one thing, comparing customer service is quite another. Ventana's customer service start to finish and back to the start is rivaled by no other company in any other industry. Hands down, they have the best service, start to finish, from finish to warranty and back again. I can not emphasize this enough. Here's a colorfull analogy; Ventana's service is like a full service day-spa, by comparison, most other bike companies' service is like San Quentin or AbuGrab.
Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
In this case, the difference between the two companies is night and day. One is like the Dalai Lama and the other is like OJ. Well, it's an extreme comparison but it's early and my mind isn't working too clearly.
The difference between the bikes isn't as extreme though the stiffness difference is huge and the Ciclon is going to be far less twitchy-feeling and significantly more stable.
Support the Dalai Lama; not OJ