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    Trade in or sell outright? Ciclon aquisition.

    To aquire a Ciclon, I have the following dilemma:
    I have a 2004 El Saltamontes with quad bearings, adjustable rocker, 4" rocker and pushed float. Frame is in good shape with some nicks here and there and one gouge on the top tubr from a brake line shearing incident. Rocker bolts show a little rust as do the bearing races due to being a New York state bike for the last 3 years. Though, no winter riding, so it is really only 1.5 years old;-)
    I am planning on getting a Ciclon soon to lengthen my ride out and slacken up the front end. So, do I trade the Salt frame back into Ventana, or sell outright. I calculate the trade in to be around $400 to $500. What can I sell the frameset w/shock for?

    The fork is a Reba Team SL Uturn 85-115. I will also have to sell the fork as I want a Pike for the Ciclon.

    Once this is settled, color choice becomes the obstacle. Orange or Army?

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    ummm tough choice.... have you considered what the trade in for the front tri could be... AFAIK the rear is the same or similar.... so that could be a way of reducing costs.... although complete frame sale might be the most cost effective I guess......

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    Hassle Factor

    I agree that this is a tough choice. What comes up for me is path of least resistance. If you can put your bike up on Craigs List, not have to take a bunch of phone calls or emails, meet with three or four potential buyers, wonder if the guys that test ride are going to come back, well you get the picture. For my money, the ease of travel route would be to talk to Teresa and get a purchase price number on a new frame. I think I read in these pages that another guy got a 30% discount on a new frame for a much older bike. Good luck.

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    30% off new is about right - would definately be worth talking with Sherwood. Or you could try ebay - this El Salt frame recently sold for $1275 -

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=009

    - though it was nearly brand new. If you clean yours up really well, throw in some extras, and include a thorough description and some good pics you might get a pretty good price for it. Two also sold here through the classifieds over the past couple of months.

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    hassle factor, I'll second that motion. Realistically you aren't going to get $1000 for a used and now 4yr old Salts. I'd go with the trade-in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2
    30% off new is about right - would definately be worth talking with Sherwood. Or you could try ebay - this El Salt frame recently sold for $1275 -

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=009

    - though it was nearly brand new. If you clean yours up really well, throw in some extras, and include a thorough description and some good pics you might get a pretty good price for it. Two also sold here through the classifieds over the past couple of months.
    Even if you could get that much for your out of warranty frame you'd still be out the same amount (~500) to aquire for a new ciclon. Keep in mind if you do the trade-in that you can still use your rear triangle to lower the cost but you'll have to send your shock back to PUSH to have it retuned for the 5" rocker. Orange or Army Green are not custom colors so that's another ~150 as well. That said, Army Green all the way and also have the rear triangle powder coated

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    Thanks

    I guess I would like to know how much extra a swingarm paint job would be in addition to the $150 base Paint upgrade. I would like to see cosmic grey as well. I am not really a big fan of shiny stuff, just Ventana stiffness and quality.

    Has anyone done Army green with a flat back swingarm?

    I cannot partially upgrade since my frame is a 2004 and the rockers changed and I would need too much. I would keep the Salt for $400, but have no use for it if I own a Ciclon. The only addition after the ciclon would be a steel 29 ht for an enduro road machine.

    Anyone know if the shock has to be returned as well?

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    I had success with the mtbr classifieds. I sold my Intense... and now am a very happy owner of a ET! But then again the frame I sold was a hair over a year old so it went pretty quickly

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    I traded my front triangle (the stock X-5) for the El Tigre semicustom. Made it much more worth it and more financially reasonable than selling it outright.
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    What size is your El Salt? I would think you would get at least $500 on fleebay.

    What does Ventana do with the trade in bikes?
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    It should get around $700 depending on the condition- maybe a bit higher around March/April.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Scottamontes
    I guess I would like to know how much extra a swingarm paint job would be in addition to the $150 base Paint upgrade. I would like to see cosmic grey as well. I am not really a big fan of shiny stuff, just Ventana stiffness and quality.

    Has anyone done Army green with a flat back swingarm?

    I cannot partially upgrade since my frame is a 2004 and the rockers changed and I would need too much. I would keep the Salt for $400, but have no use for it if I own a Ciclon. The only addition after the ciclon would be a steel 29 ht for an enduro road machine.

    Anyone know if the shock has to be returned as well?
    No, you can reuse your old shock but yes you will have to buy a new rocker and they'll stick new quad bearings in (I think this comes with the upgrade and no extra charge) They'll want your old rocker. Painting my 04 Salt swingarms was another $50 bucks as I recall.

    Is cosmic gray the same as ghost gray? I considered that as well after seeing El Salt's bike porn but that's a $250 custom color I think.

    I still think your better off doing the trade-in rather than selling or keeping a frame that is likely going to break sooner than later. I'm very impressed with the handling of the Ciclon over my Salt with 5" rockers. It seems like only 30% off but you'll be getting a new Ciclon at almost a third the cost if you throw in the quad upgrade. And the Pike means you can go to a through-axel f. hub which is considerably stiffer. That was all the rationalization I needed although convincing the wife took additional effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman
    I still think your better off doing the trade-in rather than selling or keeping a frame that is likely going to break sooner than later.
    Wow - break a 3 year old El Salt soon? I know some of the larger riders have had cracks and a few outright breaks but I thought the frames held up pretty well. I have a ten year old Marble Peak that has thousands of miles on it and still rides like new, and looks pretty darn good too. Course I'm light - and don't catch big air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2
    Wow - break a 3 year old El Salt soon? I know some of the larger riders have had cracks and a few outright breaks but I thought the frames held up pretty well. I have a ten year old Marble Peak that has thousands of miles on it and still rides like new, and looks pretty darn good too. Course I'm light - and don't catch big air.
    Well, I was disappointed to say the least given the well-known Ventana quality and beautiful welds but aluminum fatigues over time. At any rate, I wouldn't pay much for a used full suspension aluminum frame. Especially given that will void any warranty going to a second party. Ventana more than makes up for their limited 2-yr warranty w/ excellent customer service and the buy back program.

    Titanium on the other hand is a different story. I sent my 1996 Moots YBB back to moots a couple of years ago when a chainstay cracked. They repaired it, glass beaded the entire frame, and put new stickers on it. No charge. Looks brand spankin new. I guess I think of aluminum frames as a bit more disposable.
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    Its maybe not the easiest thing for you to do, but if you sell the frame you would probably stoke somebody out that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford a Ventana.

    I would imagine that for the right person, that frame could last them many, many years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Scottamontes
    I would like to see cosmic grey as well. I am not really a big fan of shiny stuff, just Ventana stiffness and quality.
    I recently picked up a brand new El Ciclon with the Cosmic Gray custom color. Check out some pics in the thread below. It looks even better in person.

    A new fall arrival, courtesy of USPS!!!

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