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    Looks great. Wonder when the custom builder will get the new rear ends

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    My Custom El Padrino

    I'll Post build pics later. Oh yeah, 30.9 seat tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Padrino
    I'll Post build pics later. Oh yeah, 30.9 seat tube.
    Wow! That's fricken cool!
    Don't let your new toy get lost on this old thread, start a new one with the build pics it deserves it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    Wow! That's fricken cool!
    Don't let your new toy get lost on this old thread, start a new one with the build pics it deserves it!
    Thanks buddy. I'm just learning how to put the images here. I guess my other pics are too big. I guess i'll have to take pics again tomorrow with a smaller file.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Padrino
    I'll Post build pics later. Oh yeah, 30.9 seat tube.
    looks flexy
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Padrinito?


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    Here it is.

    I hope its good enough.
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    That looks like a clown car.
    Ripping trails and tipping ales

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    ^^^ Looks... CUSTOM

    What are the basic geo specs? Rider height? Did you consider 650B?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader
    That looks like a clown car.
    Wow some one always gotta do the hating Huh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVP
    ^^^ Looks... CUSTOM

    What are the basic geo specs? Rider height? Did you consider 650B?
    I don't have the Geo numbers, but for a short guy like me it feels comfortable and Ventana did good job.

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    How tall are you? What crank length did you choose? How's the toe overlap?

    I'm 5'4" and tried a Anthem 29 in small (the only 29er/small 29er i've ever ridden) and with 170's and my size 7 foot the tire cleared OK unless i was unclipped and the pedal was under the ball of my foot for a sec while i was clipping in and i would get toe buzz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Padrino
    Wow some one always gotta do the hating Huh!
    Not hating, just teasing. How's the air down there?
    Ripping trails and tipping ales

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    Looks wrong. There should be a law that would say you have to be this tall to ride 29er. Just like in amusement park!

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    Quote Originally Posted by edispilf
    Looks wrong. There should be a law that would say you have to be this tall to ride 29er. Just like in amusement park!
    OMg! That was funny but at 6'3" I wouldn't want to be forced to ride a 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader
    Not hating, just teasing. How's the air down there?
    no worries I'm too happy with my bike right now. Getting a little cold here again for the past few days.

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    Well I for one am thankful the first actual frame specs are out! The whole Sherwood's To-Do thing looked like corporate suicide to me. How many frames you figure they've sold since that went up...? Other than the bargain hunters having a go at the old stock... not many I'd wager. When one makes MAJOR improvements it's probably best to have something to sell at the same time you tell the world....

    Like I said, I'm happy they are getting close. I still love my 1998 Ventana but time marches on. Hydroformed tubes are more than a fashion statement. Big wheels are here to stay. Frame stiffness has always been a Ventana priority, still, if it can be better with BB30 or a tapered head tube then right on. The bits have certainly continued to improve, no sense living in the past frame wise. This of course begs the question, will V be forced to go carbon and out source some of it's production...? Sacrilege I know, but that day will probably come... The market for strong alloy frames isn't going to vanish overnight, but the overall market for MTBs is moving in the same direction that roadies have been going for years. Lighter and faster, lighter and faster...

    I'm really looking forward to checking out the new offerings from the good folks at Ventana!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fliier
    How many frames you figure they've sold since that went up...?
    I would think all of them, judging by disappearance of the clearance items at CompetitiveCyclist and elsewhere.

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    Good job! The List...

    Quote Originally Posted by Axe
    I would think all of them, judging by disappearance of the clearance items at CompetitiveCyclist and elsewhere.


    I certainly hope that's the case, but they can't be living off the income from last year's frame sales.

    Sherwood's list went up at the beginning of the year and we are now mid way through April. Maybe their distributors like CC pay a deposit up front for each frame which would keep things going until the new frames actually ship; makes me wonder... I've wondered about the wisdom of that list since I first saw it months ago. Been wanting to pull the trigger on a new frame but once I saw that list decided to wait. Of course I'd probably be pissed if Sherwood had kept his plans quiet and I had gone ahead and bought something. Guess you have to admire a company that puts happy customers ahead of sales...

    FWIW As of early Feb this was the production plan:

    There won't be any new additions, as a matter of fact, we have reduced
    the number of models being offered. Here's what we are moving forward
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    El Saltamontes
    El Ciclon
    El Terremoto
    El Rey
    El Conquistador tandems 26" & 29"
    El Comandante
    El Padrino
    El Martillo
    El Martillo CX

    Discontinued:
    X-5
    El Capitan
    El Chiquillo
    El Toro
    La Bruja
    El Cuervo

    Since I was considering the El Cap I'm glad I waited...

    SG and Co. have been at this game a long time, it probably makes sense when one has all of the facts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fliier

    I certainly hope that's the case, but they can't be living off the income from last year's frame sales.
    Why not? Many manufacturers work in batches. Many bikes are build once or twice a year and shipped from Asia in large quantities.

    I would wildly guess they just went through a major change in tooling that was in use for about a decade?

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    Can't wait to see the new bikes. I've been wanting to get another V for awhile now. The geo and the new features are what I've been wanting. Pics please!

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    Nobody has any spy photos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killrop
    Nobody has any spy photos?

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    That's more like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe
    That frame has nice curves.

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    looks flexy
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb
    Are they discontinuing the Bastardo? I hope not. I love mine, and so does seemingly everyone that sees it or puts a leg over it.
    Bastardo with the new tubes, geo would be the bike to have for sure!

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    Any updates? The new bikes were supposed to ship in late March/early April.

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    where'd ya get that info?
    Last edited by nhodge; 05-07-2011 at 08:20 AM.
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    I was under the assumption that was a one off for a shorter rider.

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    Last time I talked to Teresa it sounded like late May at the earliest now for the pre-orders. It's taking much longer than anticipated for the new machining etc. to be up and running. Kind of a bummer, but anxiously awaiting....
    "The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care."

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    This just in: New El Salt geo posted.

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    Any word on the 2011 Moto... what the changes might be? I'd like to see 142x 12 and 1.5 headset as standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zod
    Any word on the 2011 Moto... what the changes might be? I'd like to see 142x 12 and 1.5 headset as standard.

    from the list of "things to do", i would think that 142x12 will be on the Terremoto. the head tube was tapered. why tapered won out over 1.5 i don't know, but would definately expect to see it on the TM.
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    Yeah I don't understand tapered over just going full 1. 5 but not a big deal. The Knolly Chilcotin keeps getting delayed so now I'm looking at the TM as a potential alternate.

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    You're preaching to the pope, I ride a Ciclon currently.
    I personally wouldn't pay extra for a 1.5 as I always run the standard steerer anyhow. Just seems like making the headset a 1.5 makes it most compatible with most forks people might be bringing into a build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zod
    Any word on the 2011 Moto... what the changes might be? I'd like to see 142x 12 and 1.5 headset as standard.
    142 x 12 is confirmed so is the Tapered, tapered won out based on market, is there really any forks out there being done in 1.5 anymore? (Not being sarcastic, genuine question, it just seems like everything is tapered)

    I have seen the parts coming in, they are pretty, just a WHOLE LOT of them to make!
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    True not a lot of 1.5 if any coming out as new product. Really a non-issue for me anyhow. Any word on when TM's will be ready to roll out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zod
    True not a lot of 1.5 if any coming out as new product.
    Doesn't Cannondale stick to 1.5 on all bikes?

    But it seems that for this decade the state of the art for all the interfaces is more or less set - 142x12, 15mm and 20mm, bb92, maybe some BB30, 1.5 tapered, 30.9 and 31.6 seatposts, 31.8 handlebars. Conventional derailleur lives on..

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    Looks like RockShox is still rocking 1. 5. So is Ventana moving to 31.6 for the TM? That would be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zod
    Yeah I don't understand tapered over just going full 1. 5
    I think the often quoted reason is that tapered is significantly lighter overall (with stem, upper headset and cap/starnut taken into account), but not much less stiff.

    Now, lets all agree on 44/56 ZS, shall we.. Current variety is disturbing..

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    Are the 44mm fork offset numbers correct for the new 26er geometry? 2011 Fox forks are 39mm. The only fork I can think of thats close to 44mm is a Lefty.
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    He's talking the dia of the upper head tube. 44 allows room for an angleset and/or zero stack upper cup.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krispy@go-ride.com

    ...pops a big one by releasing an adjustable pivot.
    Looks like that bit was internet rumor...but looks like Yeti might have something along these lines up their sleeves..

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