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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
    - Rear 142mm thru-axle: while good, another expensive change (rear hub). I have no idea who makes the hubs in this size. Haven't researched it yet. Probably Hadley, but not sure about anyone else.
    Hubs like the Hope Pro 2 can be directly converted to 142mm with spacers...others will probably follow

    Hubs should not be a problem going forward, since it seems 142mm is catching on....

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    PRESS FIT 30 has several adapters available that allow for Standard cranks (X-type).
    Rear 142, the dropouts will be replaceable, ie, you can buy standard 10mm and upgrade to 142 later, if your keen on running you current wheels.

    Edit: Corrected to Press Fit, not BB30. Still Adapters available to run X-types.
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    Doesn't a 150mm hub give you a symetrical wheel? If so shouldn't that be the standard width hub and not be just for downhill?

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    New stickers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero
    New stickers?

    Hey now, let's take this step by step. We can't go leaping on to the next-lasted designs just to keep pace with fashion. Function is the core, stick to the core principles man! Straight-font has proven itself time and again as to most efficient path to structural soundness, curvy fonts are just frill and frippery. Eschew the bendy bendy, rejoice in the straight, the strong, the stiff! The proud.




    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
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    Just trying to help you out! ...
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    "Before D.W., "anti-squat" was referred to as pedal feedback."

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    +1. Only problem is the chainline and q factor would get messed up. A 150 rear means a wider BB, not a problem on a DH bike but could be an issue on xc bikes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff in Bend
    Doesn't a 150mm hub give you a symetrical wheel? If so shouldn't that be the standard width hub and not be just for downhill?

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    I see a conflict with shorter stays and slacker seat angles. If you shorten the stays you 'should' need a steeper seat angle, unless it as a bend to it or intersects the downtube in front of the BB.

    I imagine the longer TT is because he will be using a slacker seat angle. Also, Reach and Stack measurements are much more telling of proper fit vs Tob Tube length. TT measurements don't account for ST angle which obviously changes the cockpit fit. Hopefully SG will start using them on his geo charts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue
    I see a conflict with shorter stays and slacker seat angles. If you shorten the stays you 'should' need a steeper seat angle, unless it as a bend to it or intersects the downtube in front of the BB.

    I imagine the longer TT is because he will be using a slacker seat angle. Also, Reach and Stack measurements are much more telling of proper fit vs Tob Tube length. TT measurements don't account for ST angle which obviously changes the cockpit fit. Hopefully SG will start using them on his geo charts.

    I agree that they should be included, and that R&S are better measurements of fit...

    when the rider is standing on the bike.

    Sitting, the TT/SA number comes back into play. That is why you see R&S numbers published for more aggressive disciplines, such as FR/DH, as they tend to ride bikes more out of the saddle than in.

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    Yep. R&S also has a place in XC fit because your proper seated fit relationship is first to the BB/pedals. Slacker SA = more fore positioning of saddle shortening TT. For me, whenever I set up a bike that is going to be pedaled up and down the rasied saddle position always has the exact same relationship with the BB regardless of SA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue
    I see a conflict with shorter stays and slacker seat angles. If you shorten the stays you 'should' need a steeper seat angle, unless it as a bend to it or intersects the downtube in front of the BB.

    I imagine the longer TT is because he will be using a slacker seat angle. Also, Reach and Stack measurements are much more telling of proper fit vs Tob Tube length. TT measurements don't account for ST angle which obviously changes the cockpit fit. Hopefully SG will start using them on his geo charts.
    Somebody has been drinking to much of the Turner Kool-Aid Reach and Stack is just one way to determine how a frame will fit. It's not the be-all end-all to frame fitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life
    Somebody has been drinking to much of the Turner Kool-Aid Reach and Stack is just one way to determine how a frame will fit. It's not the be-all end-all to frame fitment.
    Not sure what this has to do with Turner. Please derail this thread even more by explaining what you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue
    Not sure what this has to do with Turner. Please derail this thread even more by explaining what you mean?
    I derailed it the same way you did by trying to guess WHY Sherwood is going with longer top tubes. Just looking at Stack and Reach will not yield a proper frame fitment is what I stated. Unless you designed the frame it's just arm engineering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life
    I derailed it the same way you did by trying to guess WHY Sherwood is going with longer top tubes. Just looking at Stack and Reach will not yield a proper frame fitment is what I stated. Unless you designed the frame it's just arm engineering.
    Forums are for this type of thing; throwing out ideas, discussing, heaven forbid even 'guessing', etc. I don't think I said anything negative about Ventana, ever for that matter. You should find another tree to bark up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue
    Forums are for this type of thing; throwing out ideas, discussing, heaven forbid even 'guessing', etc. I don't think I said anything negative about Ventana, ever for that matter. You should find another tree to bark up.
    read my post, I didn't say you said anything bad about Ventana. I know you use to own a Ventana and now ride a 5 Spot. I clearly stated Reach and Stack in not the be-all or end-all to frame fitment. What about how head tube angle effects Reach? What about Saddle to Handle height? Just a couple of fitment variables.

    I'm not barking just pointing out your statement is not complete.......Like most on this sit I have an opinion.

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    I read it. You jumped up my @ss for suggesting SG use R&S and suggesting that it's a more important fitment measurement than TT. Which I think it is. Then you said something about drinking Turner coolaid. We can go back and forth on who's right or wrong but let's just move on. No hard feelings

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    Raw option.......I like them buff chicks ! TIG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    Raw option.......I like them buff chicks ! TIG.
    PFFFFT!!! LOL! Great, time to clean Diet Pepsi off my Monitors!
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    i couldn't take it anymore so i had to find out for myself. i was hoping they would revamp the la bruja but i kinda knew from what i was told before. the sales aren't there for the freeride and downhill frames. but for you XC and AM guys you lucky b*sturds the new changes look great, Can't wait till the end of march to see the improvements they look to be great. i wasn't sure about the pressfit BB and never heard about them but now after the talk i think it will be a great idea and lighter. no more threads to strip out. the bad thing the changes will not be interchangeable with the old stuff so no upgrading your last years and older frames. the great thing is tradein or sell your old ventanas to get the sweet new stuff. so i guess i'll have to stay with my la bruja and can't get one with the new changes. you other guys are lucky.
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    a real shame but,

    everything was telling us it was gonna happen. i guessed awhile back on another thread that the Quervo wasn't gonna make the cut & probably not the La Bruja. maybe not even the Terremoto. i hope you meant that it will. look @ the Cuervo, they still can't sell them all after what, a year after droppin' to a grand, $2000 plus less than a Turner downhill frame! yikes! and also from Turner, he gave up on the Highline & still hasn't come out w/ the DW RFX. WOW. things have changed.

    i hope Gibson is making changes that people are gonna like & sales keep him in business. seeing a guy like him having to fold would be just flat fuggin' terrible
    breezy shade

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    PFFFFT!!! LOL! Great, time to clean Diet Pepsi off my Monitors!

    I hope the new V's are at least as strong and beastieful as my dream girl ! TIG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1962
    i couldn't take it anymore so i had to find out for myself. i was hoping they would revamp the la bruja but i kinda knew from what i was told before. the sales aren't there for the freeride and downhill frames. but for you XC and AM guys you lucky b*sturds the new changes look great, Can't wait till the end of march to see the improvements they look to be great. i wasn't sure about the pressfit BB and never heard about them but now after the talk i think it will be a great idea and lighter. no more threads to strip out. the bad thing the changes will not be interchangeable with the old stuff so no upgrading your last years and older frames. the great thing is tradein or sell your old ventanas to get the sweet new stuff. so i guess i'll have to stay with my la bruja and can't get one with the new changes. you other guys are lucky.
    do you have any more details? im assuming you gave ventana a call and got the scoop or what? thx.

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    I'd love to have something similar to Canfields Yelli Screamy. Spent the day riding one with Chris Canfield a couple months back, the bike rocks.

    I know I can get something like this custom from Ventana, I asked, just couldn't afford it.
    I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.

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    terremoto. yes

    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge
    everything was telling us it was gonna happen. i guessed awhile back on another thread that the Quervo wasn't gonna make the cut & probably not the La Bruja. maybe not even the Terremoto. i hope you meant that it will. look @ the Cuervo, they still can't sell them all after what, a year after droppin' to a grand, $2000 plus less than a Turner downhill frame! yikes! and also from Turner, he gave up on the Highline & still hasn't come out w/ the DW RFX. WOW. things have changed.

    i hope Gibson is making changes that people are gonna like & sales keep him in business. seeing a guy like him having to fold would be just flat fuggin' terrible
    ...i was told yes on the terremoto. but i sure was hoping for the La bruja too because when it comes to ventana i always want the latest and greatest...
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnomer
    do you have any more details? im assuming you gave ventana a call and got the scoop or what? thx.
    ...after i was told about the La bruja i was bumed and didn't feel like going in to deep about the changes but i know you guys are gonna love them...
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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