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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    I hope the new V's are at least as strong and beastieful as my dream girl ! TIG.
    ...hey man thats my girl how did you get her pic...
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan
    I'd love to have something similar to Canfields Yelli Screamy. Spent the day riding one with Chris Canfield a couple months back, the bike rocks.

    I know I can get something like this custom from Ventana, I asked, just couldn't afford it.
    Good to know that Sherwood is willing to build something like that. I may need to talk to him about what sorta fiscal pain it would involve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan
    I'd love to have something similar to Canfields Yelli Screamy. Spent the day riding one with Chris Canfield a couple months back, the bike rocks.

    I know I can get something like this custom from Ventana, I asked, just couldn't afford it.
    ...i ran into chris on MLK jr. day. he was in my town, It was kinda funny i was riding my bike with a new shovel in hand going up to build when i saw this guy talking to this old guy on a bike as i rode by i noticed the young guy on the one bike looked up and it was chris. i didn't get to really ride the proto ONE because he didn't have much time but it sure looked like a nice bike and everyone that has a canfield seems to love them. i may have to jump ship over to canfield...
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough
    Good to know that Sherwood is willing to build something like that. I may need to talk to him about what sorta fiscal pain it would involve.
    ...another thing i forgot to say and one of the reasons why i called was to find out if they would build a La bruja with the new changes and i got a no because of cost and tooling to build one frame...
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1962
    ...i was told yes on the terremoto. but i sure was hoping for the La bruja too because when it comes to ventana i always want the latest and greatest...

    thanks for the info on the Terremoto, i feel better already

    sorry 'bout the La Bruja
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1962
    ...another thing i forgot to say and one of the reasons why i called was to find out if they would build a La bruja with the new changes and i got a no because of cost and tooling to build one frame...
    I think it's funny that you equate, most travel to "latest and greatest". Bruja V2 was a fine machine, but I always felt that T-Moto was a superior weapon.Besides at 160mm of travel, are you really missing much by not having that extra 10mm? And it's not that much more to get a semi-custom to get the slacker head tube of the Bruja, and heck with the new 180 forks out there, you probably could go stock frame and get Bruja V2 angles. Considering the impending changes, (Slacker angles, lower BB) I bet the new T-Moto will blur the lines between OLD T-moto and Bruja V2 anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    I think it's funny that you equate, most travel to "latest and greatest". Bruja V2 was a fine machine, but I always felt that T-Moto was a superior weapon.Besides at 160mm of travel, are you really missing much by not having that extra 10mm? And it's not that much more to get a semi-custom to get the slacker head tube of the Bruja, and heck with the new 180 forks out there, you probably could go stock frame and get Bruja V2 angles. Considering the impending changes, (Slacker angles, lower BB) I bet the new T-Moto will blur the lines between OLD T-moto and Bruja V2 anyways.
    ...thats not what i said, I don't equate latest and greatest to more travel. travel has nothing to do with it, i should have said or added to what i said was latest and greatest design. i like how sherwood always improves on his design for instance i cracked two different frames one from jumping it at where i live and the other at northstar. one cracked at the seat tube top tube junction. i noticed when i was at the shop picking up this frame there was one hanging up and had a big crack at ST/TT junction. he said the guy cracked it jumping. so i picked the frame up brought it home and built it up and guess what happened, Cracked it jumping two years later so he then added the gusset. i like how he improves on his frames. as for the 160 MM terremoto i had and loved it but i needed more for northstar cause i was riding harder and faster, So i got the 180 MM La bruja for like dogbone trail at northstar and i noticed the extra 20 MM of travel. more buttery...
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1962
    ...i ran into chris on MLK jr. day. he was in my town, It was kinda funny i was riding my bike with a new shovel in hand going up to build when i saw this guy talking to this old guy on a bike as i rode by i noticed the young guy on the one bike looked up and it was chris. i didn't get to really ride the proto ONE because he didn't have much time but it sure looked like a nice bike and everyone that has a canfield seems to love them. i may have to jump ship over to canfield...
    seems like a ton of money for a bike made overseas....

    i can handle paying for the quality control that Ventana has.

    I could buy a bike made in china, but i would certainly expect it to be significantly cheaper, ie. banshee, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1962
    ... So i got the 180 MM La bruja for like dogbone trail at northstar and i noticed the extra 20 MM of travel. more buttery...
    I agree with 90% of what you said, evolving/improving frames etc...

    But for the record. La Bruja is not 180, it's actually 175mm, and T-Moto is 162mm. The Falling rate at the end stroke is what keeps you from getting the Full 178mm that the AVG. 2.8:1 rockers mathematically show you get. (2.8 X 2.5 = 7 x 25.4 177.8mm)

    T-moto is Less falling rate with the new rockers so it gets the full 6.35" = 162mm.
    Hence the whopping 13mm difference.

    HOWEVER, the 2.5" stroke on Bruja makes it more supple, ie the Buttery effect you feel.

    I had to figure all this out, because I wanted to run the V2 Bruja rockers on my V1, needed to see if mathematically if it would work or make a difference, before investing. It did, and I now run'em and they work great, lower BB, more supple and I netted 12mm of travel. (Went from 148mm to 160mm at the middle chainstay setting, technically I can get 163 if I use the longest Cstay setting)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    T-moto is Less falling rate with the new rockers so it gets the full 6.35" = 162mm.
    Hence the whopping 13mm difference.
    So were the V2 rockers more progressive than the 150mm rockers? I had a bit of a hard time controlling bottoming while using a shock that didn't have a BO control. That last inch of travel was blown thru easier than the previous.

    I'd like to see just the opposite - progressiveness built into the rockers/linkage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero
    So were the V2 rockers more progressive than the 150mm rockers? I had a bit of a hard time controlling bottoming while using a shock that didn't have a BO control. That last inch of travel was blown thru easier than the previous.

    I'd like to see just the opposite - progressiveness built into the rockers/linkage.
    I think so, I think the 150 may have been close to linear, 1/2 progressive 1/2 Falling, its the Falling rate that Mechanically prevents the B.O. I think V2, (it's been 2-3 yrs since I had the conversation) are 2/3 pro, 1/3 Falling and they are not linear. ie the amount of pro is equal to the falling. May explain what you felt. Since I never ran the 160 V2 I don't know for sure, but mathematically it makes sense.

    Shock setup and falling rate can go TOO far though. When I ran the Air Swinger shock on Bruja with V1 Rockers, I Had to basically case a jump or hit something crazy hard to get the last 2/3" of stroke. Switch back to the now Pushed Vanilla RC with B.O. Bumper and V2 BRUJA rockers and while the shock shows I'm using full travel, I don't feel harsh B.O.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    I think so, I think the 150 may have been close to linear, 1/2 progressive 1/2 Falling, its the Falling rate that Mechanically prevents the B.O. I think V2, (it's been 2-3 yrs since I had the conversation) are 2/3 pro, 1/3 Falling and they are not linear. ie the amount of pro is equal to the falling. May explain what you felt. Since I never ran the 160 V2 I don't know for sure, but mathematically it makes sense.

    Shock setup and falling rate can go TOO far though. When I ran the Air Swinger shock on Bruja with V1 Rockers, I Had to basically case a jump or hit something crazy hard to get the last 2/3" of stroke. Switch back to the now Pushed Vanilla RC with B.O. Bumper and V2 BRUJA rockers and while the shock shows I'm using full travel, I don't feet harsh B.O.
    A hot shower after riding should take care of your harsh BO issues.
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    Called and ordered two new frames last night. New El Chiquillo for my daughter as she has already outgrown her last and the new 2011 El Rey 29er when available. Although my current El Rey only has a few rides on it I'm sold on what's proposed for the new frame. Anyone looking for a 2010 El Rey frame PM me and you'll get a screaming deal.

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    Spoke with Theresa today. The new changes to the El Rey sound interesting. Geo numbers should be out soon. Images in a month or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trb2929
    Spoke with Theresa today. The new changes to the El Rey sound interesting. Geo numbers should be out soon. Images in a month or so.
    care to elaborate on what she shared with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnomer
    care to elaborate on what she shared with you?
    Not a whole lot to share that has not already been mentioned. El Rey will get a HA change, shorter CS along with the other things on the list. She was not sure yet if a 5" rocker was going to be available since the EL Cap was no longer going to be an option. At least that is what I understood. She said the geo numbers should be out in some form soon. Images as soon as some of the new orders are fill. She said a lot of items need to be manufactured to make it all happen. Give them time as they seem pretty positive these changes were to better the line not just a cosmetic change. Price should be in the range as previous frames. There will be a trade option available. But might get more on the open market. Seemed like the 4 or 5 inch travel bikes were the priority. But that was just may take. I'm not speaking for Ventana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff in Bend
    Doesn't a 150mm hub give you a symetrical wheel? If so shouldn't that be the standard width hub and not be just for downhill?
    142mm is the same actual hub width as 135mm, so chainline is not affected, and many hubs can be adapted.

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    Spy pictures !

    What's taking so long......this isn't like the new RFX thingy is it ?

    Nevermind me , I'm just anxious to see the new V's ! TIG.

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    I think i had a timeous crack in my El Salt frame where the warrantee will hopefully get me the brand new design, together with my last weeks arival ,Orbea's Alma 29er hardtail, i am one happy man, btw the Alma's paint work sucks, scratches at the slightest brush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickyjay
    I think i had a timeous crack in my El Salt frame where the warrantee will hopefully get me the brand new design, together with my last weeks arival ,Orbea's Alma 29er hardtail, i am one happy man, btw the Alma's paint work sucks, scratches at the slightest brush.
    Don't get your hopes up because a crack is cheaper to fix then handing over a new frame.....it's a dollar and sense thingie.

    I was hoping to see some spy pictures but I guess Ventana is keeping a tight lid on the new frame design.......

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    I hope you are wrong, the agent here in South African reckons Vetana's lifetime warrantee will replace the cracked frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickyjay
    I hope you are wrong, the agent here in South African reckons Vetana's lifetime warrantee will replace the cracked frame
    They usually replace only the front or rear triangle, and it will have to match your existing frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickyjay
    I hope you are wrong, the agent here in South African reckons Vetana's lifetime warrantee will replace the cracked frame
    Ventana doesn't have a lifetime warranty........check their website www.ventanausa.com But I am sure Ventana will take care of the repair or replace since they have the best CS in the business. But that's not for me to say. I'm just telling you don't get set on receiving a new frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe
    They usually replace only the front or rear triangle, and it will have to match your existing frame.
    OR repair... Replace or repair, which is very cool.

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    okay, here we are at the end of feb. what is the word? anything? some geo numbers? confirmation on the new line-up? any news? anything at all?

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    I can share a bit of info: I went by the shop last week and Sherwood & Co. are super busy getting out a huge order. I got a sneak peak of the TT tubing and general tubing that will be used. Very, very sweet! I was hoping to see one of the new preliminary test frames tucked in a corner....no luck. Another few weeks at most would be my guess and we'll be seeing completed product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel66
    I was hoping to see one of the new preliminary test frames tucked in a corner....no luck. .
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    You dog! I was looking around the shop while trying to be conspicuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel66
    You dog! I was looking around the shop while trying to be conspicuous.
    You gotta ride with us! If Ma' nature ever stops pissing on us!

    Rode Slammin on Sunday, and two days AFTER the rain stopped it was still literally sheeting water across the trail from run off.

    Gonna be a green, Poison Oak filled spring!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan
    I'd love to have something similar to Canfields Yelli Screamy. Spent the day riding one with Chris Canfield a couple months back, the bike rocks.

    I know I can get something like this custom from Ventana, I asked, just couldn't afford it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    Gonna be a green, Poison Ok filled spring!
    Ft. Ord gets even heavier P.O. growth than Slammin' Balls. It's cool enough here that you don't need to be near the water for it to grow.

    If you're down here for Sea Otter, bring your Technu and I'll show you the fun stuff where the trails are a bit too fragile to hold up to a couple thousand racers in one weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy f
    Ft. Ord gets even heavier P.O. growth than Slammin' Balls. It's cool enough here that you don't need to be near the water for it to grow.

    If you're down here for Sea Otter, bring your Technu and I'll show you the fun stuff where the trails are a bit too fragile to hold up to a couple thousand racers in one weekend.
    We noticed on our non-SO trips!

    And yep, will be there for S.O. and sounds fun. Knowing you I better start doing hill repeat training......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    We noticed on our non-SO trips!

    And yep, will be there for S.O. and sounds fun. Knowing you I better start doing hill repeat training......

    Been hammering a 32x18 all over the place on the El C since I snapped a tooth on my 19t cog a year ago. I can manage most of the climbs but there are two that have stumped me so far.

    There's some steeper and more technical new stuff across the hwy at Toro Regional Park. Some decent video if you search "toro" and "pipeline" on YouTube.
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    Okay, I have to ask the question: Will the El Chamuco make its triumphant return when the new frame designs come out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidrick
    Okay, I have to ask the question: Will the El Chamuco make its triumphant return when the new frame designs come out?
    I hear the Chamuco will have a Spilled Pivot rear end.

    Take that DW and/or Trek!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Internal14
    I hear the Chamuco will have a Spilled Pivot rear end.

    Take that DW and/or Trek!
    Spilled Pivot, is that the new multi PPV design?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trb2929
    Spilled Pivot, is that the new multi PPV design?
    ...maybe spilt pivot would be a good thing on all the ventana models...
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1962
    ...maybe spilt pivot would be a good thing on all the ventana models...
    If you do not hang onto the rear brake - is not not split pivot exactly the same performance as a single pivot - just with more mess in the pivot area?

    142x12mm rear axle FTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe
    If you do not hang onto the rear brake - is not not split pivot exactly the same performance as a single pivot - just with more mess in the pivot area?

    142x12mm rear axle FTW.
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    Ordered mine today. I can't wait till I get my frame. I know mine will come with at least one or two or three of those Sherwood's to do list woo hooo. shhhh. Thanks SG!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Padrino
    Ordered mine today. I can't wait till I get my frame. I know mine will come with at least one or two or three of those Sherwood's to do list woo hooo. shhhh. Thanks SG!!
    ...Cool. now don't forget to post some pics so we can drool, what mod. did you order ? and to everyone else that gets the new frames pass on the word about ventana to other people looking for a new bike, we need to keep the small made in the USA company going...ralph
    i need to ride more. building jumps takes to much time...my other hobby is kicking the crap outta my home built mook jong.

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    The wait is more painful than a slow strip tease !

    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Padrino
    Ordered mine today. I can't wait till I get my frame. I know mine will come with at least one or two or three of those Sherwood's to do list woo hooo. shhhh. Thanks SG!!

    So are these changes supposed to be this secretive ? Hint , hint ! TIG.

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    I have to wonder why somebody would purchase a bike not really knowing what they are going to get.
    I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.

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    Honestly, I wish that I was given a little heads up back in Dec when my Terremoto cracked. Without any information to make a decision moving forward on that frame, it got sidelined and I am pedaling something different for now. I loved my V and would gladly buy another, guess I'll check out the offerings when they finally come out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan
    I have to wonder why somebody would purchase a bike not really knowing what they are going to get.
    The power of foresight coupled with some technical knowledge.

    Seriously, that is quite a simple list that Ventana posted - how much different can it be, as long as it fits?

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    What's up with ordering bikes and not really knowing what you're getting??? We need some teaser shots and geometry specs ASAP

    Edit: Didn't see that OHM just asked the same question. Curious minds want to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe
    The power of foresight coupled with some technical knowledge.

    Seriously, that is quite a simple list that Ventana posted - how much different can it be, as long as it fits?
    I wouldn't consider the changes "simple", most sound significant to me.

    Here is the list...
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails New changes to the 2011 Ventana frame-ventana-todo.jpg  

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    I'm happy that these tweaks are slated for the 20 inch frames, but what of the other sizes?
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    I'm happy that these tweaks are slated for the 20 inch frames, but what of the other sizes?
    Had to search for it, but finally found it! LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan
    I have to wonder why somebody would purchase a bike not really knowing what they are going to get.
    Its a Ventana, you know exactly what your going to get.

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