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    Huge bike problem (El Rey related)

    Ok I have a problem. Is it that my current 10 year old specialized FSR A1 Comp is falling apart after every ride now? No. Maybe it's that I now can no longer wait until the end of May and take a trip out to Colorado before replacing my current ride? Nope. Perhaps it's money related? Well not really. Let's cut to the chase, I want an El Rey and have come up with some spec's and herein lies the problem. I have listed the specs that a certain poster has for an El Rey and then My Spec's.



    [LIST][*]Frame = '07 El Rey, large, cosmic orange, heavy duty rear triangle w/quad bearings
    19" El Rey in Cosmic Orange
    [*]Rear shock = Fox Float R Pro Pedal air shock w/ High Volume canister with PUSH factory tuning Yep
    [*][SIZE=2]Fork = '08 Fox F29[/SIZE]Son of a Bi...! Same
    [*][SIZE=2]Brakes = Avid Juicy 7s (185/160)[/SIZE]Whew Formula K-24's with 200/180 rotors front/rear
    [*][SIZE=2]Stem = Thompson X4[/SIZE]Arrrgghhhh!! The same stem
    [*]Seatpost = Moots Ti SetbackWhew, no bling here for me, Thompson X-4 straight post
    [*][SIZE=2]Saddle = Terry Fly saddle, ti rails[/SIZE]Unbeliveable, my friend tells me I need to try this saddle out and here it is on this bike.
    [*][SIZE=2]Headset = black King[/SIZE]Of Course the same
    [*][SIZE=2]Bars = Easton EA50 685mm OS riser bars[/SIZE]Easton Monkey lite EC-90
    [*][SIZE=2]Grips = ODI lock on grips[/SIZE]Ergon GP-1, yeah my grips are different
    [*][SIZE=2]Cranks = Truvativ Stylos GXP cranks & x-type BB[/SIZE]Gotta go Shimano XT here
    [*][SIZE=2]Drivetrain = SRAM X.9 drivetrain w/trigger shifters, SRAM 11-34 PG-990 cassette[/SIZE]Hmmm this all looks familiar to me since it's what I've chosen
    [*][SIZE=2]Wheelset = Industry Nines (half black/silver spokes with silver front, black rear hubs) with 9mm axle on front hub using DT Swiss Ratchet Skewer[/SIZE]Ah Ha! Difference here- Stan Flow's with Hadley hubs but alas I'll have to get that DT skewer if it fits in the Hadley
    [*][SIZE=2]Tires = Panaracer[/SIZE]Sure Why not?

    You may have figured out by now that I've managed to piece together a Fo' Shizzle El Rey for the most part. I need to de-Fo this thing a bit, what can I do? Blue headset? Silver hubs? What???? Help me MTBR you are my only hope!! (I suppose I could add a Gravity Dropper but I understand Fo got a custom one from Larry with his El Rey)

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    haha...I see this a lot; people wanting to be like me but not willing to admit it

    seriously, its amazing how much I love the bike "as is" but if I had started from scratch, I would have made a few changes for what it is worth:

    Frame = The Orange is indeed great. You could however go with another great color or if orange, ask how much it would be to have rear painted orange to match....or even black rear, that would be kewl (depending on other colors you go with).

    Rear shock = Really is no choice IMHO, you gotta get HV canister and PUSHed so good call

    Fork = Good call on fork. I have owned 2 Rebas and they only have bidniz on a pure XC machine / single speed IMHO. I like my Mav SC32 a lot but like the Fox lockout better. Also think a longer fork is a bad idea....29ers at 5" or more, IMHO, starts to make no sense. Could go WB at 110mm but why, the Fox is GREAT!

    Brakes = Great call on brakes. I do not like Avids but they work fine so I will keep em. Not to make you feel bad but I would probably have gotten Formulas if I started from scratch

    Stem = I would get a Hope stem. I think they are amazing, and look better than Thomsons. Or buy me a Hope and I will give you my Thomson

    Seatpost = Good call on Thomson. I needed a setback and El Beastro gave me such a great deal on the Moots that I figured what the heck, otherwise I wanted Thomson setback.

    Saddle = LOL....I like the Terry ok. Not sure I like it more (or less) than other favorite saddles I have (Selle Italia SLR, WTB Rocket Stealth) but I figured if it was good enough for the Beast's ass it is good enough for mine

    Headset = Not a fan of King headsets. Have owned 2 that have given me creaking problems (one long travel fork and one SS) so I would definitely not get a King from scratch. I would personally get either the new Cane Creek 110 or Cane Creek Solos FOR SURE (come in colors too).

    Bars = I like at least 685mm bars and may be switching out these EA50s to something more ghey (like Syncros white ones)

    Cranks = Good call on cranks. The stylos are ok and will probably keep em but definitely would have gone with something else if starting from scratch.

    Drivetrain = what can you say...the drivetrain chosen is the bomb and silly to change

    Wheelset = Great call on wheelset. Pretty sure the Hadleys are convertible. However, as I will probably also do with my wheelset, get the Hadley rear hub in 10mm flavor so you can run the DT Ratchet out back as well as in the front....why not. I prefer I9s is all....very anecdotal of course, but I would bet Squeaky's entire retirement fund that I9s make for the stiffest 29er wheel.

    Tires = I do like the Panaracers, probably my favorite 29er tire so far so what the heck.

    As for colors, I personally would not get crazy if you go with an Orange frame, especially if you already have a white fork which based on my interior designing experience makes color coordinating a little more challening, especially with a non black or white frame...I would stick with silver if orange frame and in fact would probably go silver stem/post as well. Silver hubs and spokes would be cool too and you already have the silver cranks, especially if you just stay with stock silver rear; El Beastro was clearly not ghey enough to realize this.

    Keep us posted!
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    That was funny. Pretty good build you have going there. Easiest thing to do, if you can, is go with something different than orange. Superdust maybe?

    Keep us posted on the build.

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    Yes, I hate these kinds of problems too!

    I say, go with white. White is the new (insert color here) you know?.


    Oh, and as much as I, as anyone, hates to admit it, Fo has some good solid ideas when it comes to builds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt
    Yes, I hate these kinds of problems too!

    I say, go with white. White is the new (insert color here) you know?.


    Oh, and as much as I, as anyone, hates to admit it, Fo has some good solid ideas when it comes to builds.
    Thanks El Salt.....

    yeah, though I hate to bias people too much since in the end its personal preference, i did want to say white would be a sweet choice for the El Rey. It woudl look especially good (ghey) with the white F29 fork too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    It woudl look especially good (ghey) with the white F29 fork too!

    Oooh yea, I hadn't thought of that. Nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt
    Oooh yea, I hadn't thought of that. Nice!
    by the way, what color will your El Rey be in 2008?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    by the way, what color will your El Rey be in 2008?
    For the “full effect”, I was thinking of something like this:
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    Hey, Thanks for the input on builds Fo!

    I was considering white for awhile and maybe that is the direction I'll go in. I've seen pic's of a few white Ventanas but none with a white fork as well, could be very nice overall. If I go white I think I'd better get those stickers off the Flow rims, from what I've seen they are pretty big.

    All right then, I need to call Larry up again and get this rolling along, Oh and I'll look at that headset and the stem as well, I've always had good luck with King headsets and the Thompson stuff is great on my road bike.

    I think the color will depend on how much longer I would have to wait for a white frame vs the stock orange but I realize I will probably keep this bike a long time and an extra week or two of waiting won't hurt.

    Oh and I thought Sherwood was going to make the gusset between the seat tube and the top tube longer on the El Rey this year? At least if I go orange my gusset will be longer!!

    Thanks all and pics will be posted once it arrives!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt
    For the “full effect”, I was thinking of something like this:
    now THAT is an El Ghey! sweet!

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    Zin, sorry for the thread hijack. But white would be sweet. I recently replaced an older (Ventana’s replacement program) blue El Salt with a white one (see my porn link in the sig). There was really zero additional wait for the “custom” color. Ventana was shipping me the frame with in a week of speaking with them. Of course I assume it depends on the production status, when paint is happening, etc. at Ventana. Oh, and of course (maybe?) what else is going on at Ventana this time of year – holidays and all...

    And, like you said, you’ll likely have this bike for a while... wait the extra time to get exactly what you want. It’ll be worth it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt
    Zin, sorry for the thread hijack. But white would be sweet. I recently replaced an older (Ventana’s replacement program) blue El Salt with a white one (see my porn link in the sig). There was really zero additional wait for the “custom” color. Ventana was shipping me the frame with in a week of speaking with them. Of course I assume it depends on the production status, when paint is happening, etc. at Ventana. Oh, and of course (maybe?) what else is going on at Ventana this time of year – holidays and all...

    And, like you said, you’ll likely have this bike for a while... wait the extra time to get exactly what you want. It’ll be worth it!
    agreed.....it is seeing El Salts white frame that really stokes me on the white. while i have not seen any white Ventanas with white Fox forks, i have seen other white frames bikes with white forks and i personally think it looks great, but that is my personal opinion of course....

    and one of the best things about white (or black), is that you can then go with so many color options in regards to headset, hubs, seatpost clamp, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    agreed.....it is seeing El Salts white frame that really stokes me on the white. while i have not seen any white Ventanas with white Fox forks, i have seen other white frames bikes with white forks and i personally think it looks great, but that is my personal opinion of course....

    and one of the best things about white (or black), is that you can then go with so many color options in regards to headset, hubs, seatpost clamp, etc...

    Hmmm........yeah good point I think my next frame will be white ( in fact I know it will be ) ! TIG. P.S. Oh by the way the Rey build sounds excellent !
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt
    Zin, sorry for the thread hijack. But white would be sweet. I recently replaced an older (Ventana’s replacement program) blue El Salt with a white one (see my porn link in the sig). There was really zero additional wait for the “custom” color. Ventana was shipping me the frame with in a week of speaking with them. Of course I assume it depends on the production status, when paint is happening, etc. at Ventana. Oh, and of course (maybe?) what else is going on at Ventana this time of year – holidays and all...

    And, like you said, you’ll likely have this bike for a while... wait the extra time to get exactly what you want. It’ll be worth it!
    I looked at your El Salt El Salt (man I sound like Foghorn Leghorn ) and it looks excellent! Thanks for the linky. I'm more then ever swayed to the white, it may even exceed the cool factor that my current paint has (you remember the paint that looks green or purple depending on the light or angle you look at it? yeah that's what I have now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle[B
    Seatpost[/B] = Good call on Thomson. I needed a setback and El Beastro gave me such a great deal on the Moots that I figured what the heck, otherwise I wanted Thomson setback.
    Remember the only reason this build rocks is because El Salt did it. Yeah I know Fo is flappin' his lips and taking credit for it. He actually had nothing to do with it. Which is a good thing because El Salt actually knows what he's doing.

    One point Fo did make was a valid one. A Thomson setback might be the way to go. The sweet spot on a Rey seems to be a little further back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauliemon
    One point Fo did make was a valid one
    that's one more valid point than you made, b!tch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauliemon
    Remember the only reason this build rocks is because El Salt did it. Yeah I know Fo is flappin' his lips and taking credit for it. He actually had nothing to do with it. Which is a good thing because El Salt actually knows what he's doing.

    One point Fo did make was a valid one. A Thomson setback might be the way to go. The sweet spot on a Rey seems to be a little further back.
    Hmmm I do have a straight Thompson post on my road bike so getting a setback for the El Rey would allow me to swap em back and forth and see which I prefer. Is the El Rey seatpost diameter 27.2 mm? I think I read that it was, if so this will work out fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinfan
    Hmmm I do have a straight Thompson post on my road bike so getting a setback for the El Rey would allow me to swap em back and forth and see which I prefer. Is the El Rey seatpost diameter 27.2 mm? I think I read that it was, if so this will work out fine.
    indeed it does (have 27.2mm)

    it seems ventana geo affords slightly shorter top tubes so for my liking anyway, a setback is perfect. overall, i LOVE the geo of the Ventanas however, its just that setback addresses my one nitpick but fortunately its easily solved

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    Definitely wait and get the color you want. I like white as well. Your build looks fine but I'd use another handlebar- maybe a Syntace.

    Looking forward to seeing the pictures when you get the WHITE one

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    The white frames I have seen have been gorgeous.





    Fo has a KING headset????!!!! Say it isn't so. I would dump that POS for a Cane Creek ASAP

    Bars: I am partial to FSA Gravity

    Grips: Good choice on the Ergons.

    Shifters: Go with Gripshift

    Tires: Front Nevegal if you like to push the corners. Rear rampage is okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    haha...I see this a lot; people wanting to be like me but not willing to admit it
    Quote of the week.

    OP, lose the Ti seatpost and you'll be fine. Personally, I'd go for the Fox Fork and a set of the new XT brakes, the rest is up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Fo has a KING headset????!!!! Say it isn't so. I would dump that POS for a Cane Creek ASAP

    Bars: I am partial to FSA Gravity
    Fo does have a Queen headset both on the El Rey and RFX. Only reason it was on the El Rey is cuz GheyBeastro had it like that....no creaks so it will stay as I am happy with king minus creaking. For the Comandante, new headset en route shortly to replace the lame blue creaking King.

    Bars.....LOL, Gravity Carbon my favorite too, as much as I bag on carbon, I dig em and have owned I think 3 of em already (previously called K-Force DH though)

    as for tires, I will try nevegals next since i have yet to try em on any 29er i have owned

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    Order placed

    Just got done placing my El Rey (Fo Shizzle edition? stay tuned ) order with Larry at Mountain High Cyclery. I think I've come up with a really good combo (and plenty of thanks for the suggestions here) and can't wait to see the final product. Of course pictures will be posted once it arrives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    The white frames I have seen have been gorgeous.




    Fo has a KING headset????!!!! Say it isn't so. I would dump that POS for a Cane Creek ASAP

    Bars: I am partial to FSA Gravity

    Grips: Good choice on the Ergons.

    Shifters: Go with Gripshift
    FSA Gravity is one of Larry's favorites I guess as well, I'll keep it in mind.

    My current grips are Ergons and I really enjoy the way they feel.

    I tired the first gripshifts that came out years ago and didn't really like the way they worked, I'm sure they have improved markedly but I'm partial to triggers (no not the horse )

    Thanks for the pic of the white El Cap, very nice look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinfan
    FSA Gravity is one of Larry's favorites I guess as well, I'll keep it in mind.

    My current grips are Ergons and I really enjoy the way they feel.

    I tired the first gripshifts that came out years ago and didn't really like the way they worked, I'm sure they have improved markedly but I'm partial to triggers (no not the horse )

    Thanks for the pic of the white El Cap, very nice look.
    nice Zinfan!

    not to make you feel bad....but the bars, cranks, brakes, and saddle that came on mine are my ONLY complaints as you know....and have been replaced by virtue of new orders so sorry to say, but your FoShizzle edition may be even more a FoShizzle edition than you wanted the only downside is that now i will have less cause to rag on folks with carbon parts however, I have owned 3 sets of FSA carbon bars and dug em all so what can I say?

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