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    Gates belt drive

    Is this the first thread for the belt drive El Commandante. I know there where a few sneak pics awhile back but they are now available.
    I hope to be hitting the trails with this tomorrow




    Just under 9kgs with the Niner fork

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    WOW! Sweet bike! I can't wait to upgrade my ride to the belt drive! I am actually thinking of building an El Chivo (69er hardtail) with the belt drive. Enjoy!
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    Nice ride!!!

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    very nice ride! especially with the niner carbon fork! you gotta love that carbon drive thingie - i'm running my belt-driven toro since may or so and it's till perfect! in fact it's the only bike i'd never had to wrench on since i got it - actually i never ever cleaned it

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    WOW! that bike is KILLER!!. from the niner fork to the R1's to the gates.
    unlike so many "innovations" in the bike world that are a marketing of gimmickry and nothing more, belt drive seems to be the real deal!

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    Looks like a real nice setup with the carbon fork. I have to say I'm very interested to hear how this setup works out. Absolutely beautiful bike!
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    AMAZING looking bike. Really great job!
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    Which rear hub did you go with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypokondriak
    Which rear hub did you go with?
    Hope Pro2 SS/trials

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    Wow, that is nice. I don't think(?) I'm man enough to go SS, but even so, I still want one of these! Very nice!
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    Simply Spectacular Pete. Love it.

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    Awesome!!

    That's a lovely looking bike you've got there mate. Ventana hardtails just look 'right', which I think really speaks volumes. Give my regards to Brissie from the UK. I was over in late 2007 and it's a lovely city. Have fun riding!

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    Normally rain/mud is rare in Brisbane so when we have it we usually just sit tight for a day or so for the trails to dry up.
    But not today

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    Great looking bike. Can I ask where you picked up the Carbon Drive from in Australia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeezaGeeza
    Great looking bike. Can I ask where you picked up the Carbon Drive from in Australia?
    I got it from Ventana with the frame

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    Damn Cool bike.
    I can't wait to build mine. Still waiting for parts, Fork and rear hub...

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    Love that frame color!!

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    please remove the dirty picture of the bike. thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    please remove the dirty picture of the bike. thanks in advance
    No chance, I was loathed to clean it, it looked so good
    Here's the other angle for you...sorry for the poor phone camera pic's...in advance

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    that dirt disgusts me...i have since unsubscribed from this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    that dirt disgusts me...i have since unsubscribed from this thread
    Erik, that may be iDirt. There are no actual riding shots, so it may not be as bad as you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Salt
    Erik, that may be iDirt. There are no actual riding shots, so it may not be as bad as you think.
    one can only hope...why did God have to make dirt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    one can only hope...why did God have to make dirt?
    Don't despair, we will soon be back to the Australian dust bowl

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    4hr racing

    Racing as a pair on the same bike. We finished 4th at Karingal in South East Queensland.
    The bike ran faultlessly.



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    Pete,

    Looks great! What rear skewer are you using?
    "Be the Gear..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Muz R-
    Pete,

    Looks great! What rear skewer are you using?
    Bolt up on the Hope Pro2

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNW
    Bolt up on the Hope Pro2
    Is it a particular brand? Where do you get them?? I see them on bikes on these threads all the time but never in shops or online stores.

    Cheers mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Muz R-
    Is it a particular brand? Where do you get them?? I see them on bikes on these threads all the time but never in shops or online stores.

    Cheers mate.
    The Hope Pro2 SS/trials hub comes with 8mm bolts as standard

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    I was so impressed with this bike after a couple of hours of single track, I bought one for myself as an early Christmas present.
    Apart from the exessively noisy hope rear hub, it was whisper quiet and super smooth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNW
    Is this the first thread for the belt drive El Commandante. I know there where a few sneak pics awhile back but they are now available.
    I hope to be hitting the trails with this tomorrow



    Just under 9kgs with the Niner fork
    Just wondering what frame size that is?...and how tall you both are?

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    I'm 5'8", it's a 20' frame but i like to be stretched out, same ETT as my medium Niner

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    I'm actually going over to Ventana today at lunch to see what size el com i should get, and to look at colors.
    I also want to get a gates belt drive set up.
    But i have a question... what crank setup did you go with?
    That's one think i have not upgraded on my current ride, and i would like to get some ideas for what to put on my new frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wedgy
    I'm actually going over to Ventana today at lunch to see what size el com i should get, and to look at colors.
    I also want to get a gates belt drive set up.
    But i have a question... what crank setup did you go with?
    That's one think i have not upgraded on my current ride, and i would like to get some ideas for what to put on my new frame

    thanks!
    Personally I'm running the Middleburn cranks but they aren't to everyone's taste mainly because they use Square Taper or ISIS bottom brackets which don't have the greatest reputations.

    Having said that, I use the SKF ISIS bottom bracket with a 10 year warranty so not too concerned.

    The benefit of the Middleburn's (UK) for a Belt Drive Ventana are that you can change the rings from Single Speed to dual to Triple Ring really easily without changing crank arms, plus you can bling them out with different colour rings, bolts too. A lot of people swear by them. For the belt drive, you just need the arms, BB and a 4 or 5 bolt spider.

    Take a look at www.chainreactioncycles.com for the list of Middleburn parts.

    Otherwise, take your pick from any crank you like. Truvativ have a couple of nice ones at the moment. Ones built for Single Speed are better but not essential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeezaGeeza
    Personally I'm running the Middleburn cranks but they aren't to everyone's taste mainly because they use Square Taper or ISIS bottom brackets which don't have the greatest reputations.
    Middleburn does have a Shimano compatible crankset in the works.. Hopefully it'll be available soon.

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    I really like the bike! The belt drive is great too.
    How may teeth do the chainring and the rear cog have? Or what is the ratio? Do they offer more than one ratio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy777
    I really like the bike! The belt drive is great too.
    How may teeth do the chainring and the rear cog have? Or what is the ratio? Do they offer more than one ratio?
    Take a look at the Gates Carbon Drive website and you'll find a calculator. Has to be based on your preferred ratio, length of chainstays etc as you can't shorten / lengthen the chain. Quite a few different sizes of chainring and cog available but definitely use the calculator and talk to Gates if needed.

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    Thanks Heeza Geeza. The website is pretty good. The calculator is certainly a requirement to get the right size sprockets and belt.

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    does this mean...

    I need a belt drive compatible frame to run belt drive? Or will my "old school" commandante accept the belt drive system?


    [QUOTE=PNW]Is this the first thread for the belt drive El Commandante. I know there where a few sneak pics awhile back but they are now available.
    I hope to be hitting the trails with this tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Zacapa
    I need a belt drive compatible frame to run belt drive?
    Yes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Zacapa
    Or will my "old school" commandante accept the belt drive system?
    No!

    Sorry!
    XC legs,
    DH balls...

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    you suck

    You could have just lied, but no....

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    Quote Originally Posted by el saltamontes
    Yes!



    No!

    Sorry!

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    new el comandante

    i admit, i've lurked here for quite some time. but my new gates drive el comandante is done and has been ridden this past weekend. built with the following

    fox fork Fit rlc fork with the 15qr
    king headset
    truvativ stylo team stem
    salsa carbon bar in 17deg
    magura marta sl's
    king SS hubset with stans 355
    race face deus arms and BB
    thompson seatpost and wtb saddle
    got the new 39t front gates with the 20 and 22 rear

    i'm coming off a rigid 29er singlespeed (5 yrs) i'm still
    getting used to the new bike. at this point i can't tell if i'm riding like a bat out of hell from the frame, the fork, the gates drive or my legs.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Gates belt drive-img00068.jpg  

    Last edited by stinkytevas; 04-16-2010 at 07:12 AM.

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    El Comandante Belt Drive

    Sweet ride...I suppose by now you have logged some miles on it. What do you think? Did you buy it complete or build it up yourself? I want one....hopefully built, but if not, frame with belt drive...Where did you buy yours?

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    can we get the belt drive from Ventana?
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    the bike is great. no regrets. i spec'ed it out myself- ordered through Plum Grove Cyclery in Leesburg Va. i think ventana only sells frames.

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    Ventana will supply the belts and pullies aswell, ask your dealer to ask them

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    OK fellow belt drive Ventana riders, here is a bit of info that I can share that might be useful.
    I run a 39-22 which has worked faultlessly for over 3000k so far, once I had got the tension correct. ( it has to be tighter than is recommended if you intend to ride hard)
    With the same 113t belt I can run a 39-24, with a Maxxis 2.1 detonator. A baggier tire (Racing Ralph 2.4) will not fit. If you want to run 39-24 with big tyres you have to get the next belt size up.
    If any of you are thinking of running an Alfine geared hub, dont bother as the chainline is impossible to align due to the positioning of the cog on the hub. If gates made the Alfine specific cog with the drive flange on one side it might be just possible to align, but unfortunately for me, the drive flange has been machined in the centre of the cog.

    Hope that his info helps

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    Hey, Newb here. I'm looking at a new SpotBrand Rocker with the Gates belt drive. I have a question I'm hoping someone can answer. How do I convert the standard 'chain' ratio of 32:20 to the Gates system? In other words: What does 32:20 equate to in Gates language? Thanks.

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    Want some rumor?

    (Very) apparently there's Slider Dropouts for belt-drive and Rohloff Internal Gearing one there way.

    So, watch out...
    XC legs,
    DH balls...

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    Quote Originally Posted by el saltamontes
    Want some rumor?

    (Very) apparently there's Slider Dropouts for belt-drive and Rohloff Internal Gearing one there way.

    So, watch out...

    Sliders and belts and gears... OH MY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkymtnrider
    Sliders and belts and gears... OH MY!
    Saw one being built yesterday at Webcyclery in Bend, Oregon. Although in this case it was a chain drive El Commandante with the Rohloff. They tried to talk the client into the Belt Drive and he really wanted a chain drive. I am sure Webcyclery will post this bike to their Facebook Fan Page when finished. The color was really sweet. A type of Grey.....
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