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    Finally! 2011 Teaser/Spy Pics..

    Finally some Spy Pics, not the best quality, but my source came through with some pics and info..

    Tapered Headtubes
    Headtubes


    Top tubes, look carefully at the cross sections!
     Toptubes


    And Press Fit BB's, they look huge!

    PF BB

    Info update, look for an update on the website before the weekend.
    Last edited by Ciclistagonzo; 03-31-2011 at 12:42 PM.
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    Yay! Looking forward to getting my new ride built

    Thanks for the teasers.
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    Those top tubes look like this:

    hehehehe


    Where's a built product? Surely Sherwood has a bunch done already?! Heck, if he has time to come out to the local weekly Wednesday night MTB race and heckle my fat azz every lap out there last night, he surely has finished all other pressing issues at work. Right?

    Yeah, that's what I thought, he's a slacker!







    hehehhe....just getting him back for heckling me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Internal14
    Those top tubes look like this:

    hehehehe


    Where's a built product? Surely Sherwood has a bunch done already?! Heck, if he has time to come out to the local weekly Wednesday night MTB race and heckle my fat azz every lap out there last night, he surely has finished all other pressing issues at work. Right?

    Yeah, that's what I thought, he's a slacker!

    hehehhe....just getting him back for heckling me.
    Making sure folks realize the tongue in cheek nature of your post.

    AND....

    I thought heckling was Part of the R&D process???
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    Updated Info

    UPDATE:Geometry and first look drawing will be the update. I've seen the drawing....Woh. Lots going on.
    -Aaron G.

    "Before D.W., "anti-squat" was referred to as pedal feedback."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    UPDATE:Geometry and first look drawing will be the update. I've seen the drawing....Woh. Lots going on.
    Not to be a smart ass, oh wait, yeah, definitely to be a smart ass.. geometry for which frame? It's not like they're all gonna be the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
    Not to be a smart ass, oh wait, yeah, definitely to be a smart ass.. geometry for which frame? It's not like they're all gonna be the same
    Yes they are,
    Same frame Same Geo,
    Three different wheel sizes!

    I saw the drawing for Ciclón, I'm guessing that's what will be first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    Yes they are,
    Same frame Same Geo,
    Three different wheel sizes!

    I saw the drawing for Ciclón, I'm guessing that's what will be first.
    Woot!

    Ok, so that's for the Ciclon, the 29er equivalent (not sure which one that would be, El Rey?) and new Bastardo. Festive
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
    Woot!

    Ok, so that's for the Ciclon, the 29er equivalent (not sure which one that would be, El Rey?) and new Bastardo. Festive
    Anne,
    I was kidding about the same frame, same geo...

    Of course each frame needs it's own geo and subsequent frame tweaks, hence the long development time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    Anne,
    I was kidding about the same frame, same geo...

    Of course each frame needs it's own geo and subsequent frame tweaks, hence the long development time.

    -A
    Duh. I knew that.

    I need sleep before posting. Still happy the Ciclon's are first
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    Rock on

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    Bring it ! TIG.
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    Maybe it's me, but I don't fancy press-fit BBs.

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    As a garage do it yourselfer, I am not a fan anything press in. I have a home made headset press, but usually just go to the LBS and they do it for free, guess I'll have to to do the same for BB now.
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    WOW, very cool. Can't wait to see more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zonoskar
    Maybe it's me, but I don't fancy press-fit BBs.
    I'm not sure about this either. Do Shimano do a press-fit 30 chainset and will we run into clearance issues with the mounting bolts on 22 granny rings?

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    I wouldn't be to concerned about the press in BB, the first thing that comes to mind is the headset.
    I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo Tweenie
    I'm not sure about this either. Do Shimano do a press-fit 30 chainset and will we run into clearance issues with the mounting bolts on 22 granny rings?
    Why would pressing a bearing into frame take up any more space then pressing it into an external cup, that then threads into a frame?

    Long overdue solution. Many bikes already use it - Pivot for example. Not sure why they chose such a big diameter though - just like on BMX bikes, Spanish BB works just as fine as Mid, and overall weigh (with CroMo BB shell) is about 100g less.

    I can jump just fine on my Spanish BB on Fly Pantera - not sure why a mountain bike needs a setup any larger. Maybe real estate for welding pivots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo Tweenie
    I'm not sure about this either. Do Shimano do a press-fit 30 chainset and will we run into clearance issues with the mounting bolts on 22 granny rings?
    www.bb30standard.com It's the way of the future. Remember back in the 1980's when Merlin, Fisher, Fat Chance, Klein and few others were using cupless BB's. Although, Kleins BB was a little sketchy with the loctite in place spindle I like the Shimano system better then just pressing in the bearing. Judging by the BB tubes they do not have the clip ring groove in them so they must be for the Shimano and SRAM system. I will embrace the BB30 and will be even more happier is Chris King gets one on the market before I die. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life
    www.bb30standard.com It's the way of the future.
    It seems a bunch of builders chose Shimano BB92 instead. Takes 24mm spindle for common Shimano cranks, smaller, lighter bearings and shell is wider at ~95mm vs 73 for BB30, so there is more room for suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe
    It seems a bunch of builders chose Shimano BB92 instead. Takes 24mm spindle for common Shimano cranks
    So does this mean that Shimano do not do cranksets for press-fit 30?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milo Tweenie
    So does this mean that Shimano do not do cranksets for press-fit 30?
    None that I know about, but BB30 take an adaptor for standard "euro" BBs. BB30 can tak cranks with smaller Q factor, but I think BB92 makes more sense for MTB.

    Spindle width and diameter is the only important standard, bearings are cheap and last forever in those sizes. Just like in BMX, both 19mm and 22mm axles work fine with "mid" and "spanish" BBs. I like the "spanish" size better, so I also think 24mm spindle is good enough for MTB - wider shell compensates for lower stiffness.

    All those are better then current "euro" and its hacked solution of outboard bearings.

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    Where the hell are the pictures. Who cares about all of this BB talk.

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