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    Excellent price on Panteras

    At Cambria : http://cambriabike.com/

    I'm really tempted to get one. I've had my eye on X-5s but I'm thinking that a Pantera would make a really nice trailbike too at a very, very attractive price. I'm a stocky Clydesdale rider and I think either would serve the role well. Anyone with experience on both care to compare?

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    Sounds OK for a 4" ride but (I 'm 210 lbs riding) I bought a Marin trail pro that lets me choose between 3 inch rising rate, 5" constant rate or 7" falling rate on a no tool on the trail adjustment fopr 200$. Shop around to get what you really want and not what some want you to buy and have fun!

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    I'd go with the Pantera provided you like the geometry

    I had an Ellsworth Isis for 2 years, and the Pantera essentially is the bike that Sherwood wanted the Isis to be, only improved. I would recommend one in an instant -- Ventana build quality is incredible -- but only if you know that you like the geometry. If the bike will fit you (enough top tube length, enough seat tube length, chainstay length is suitable), the frame definitely is burly enough for a big guy. You can get heavier springs for the Romic coil shock.

    I have an X-5 and if I wasn't more DH- and FR-oriented in my trail riding, I'd have got a Pantera instead.

    Save the money, get the Pantera -- but only if the fit is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    I had an Ellsworth Isis for 2 years, and the Pantera essentially is the bike that Sherwood wanted the Isis to be, only improved. I would recommend one in an instant -- Ventana build quality is incredible -- but only if you know that you like the geometry. If the bike will fit you (enough top tube length, enough seat tube length, chainstay length is suitable), the frame definitely is burly enough for a big guy. You can get heavier springs for the Romic coil shock.

    I have an X-5 and if I wasn't more DH- and FR-oriented in my trail riding, I'd have got a Pantera instead.

    Save the money, get the Pantera -- but only if the fit is good.

    You bought an X-5? I thought you had ordered a Turner 5 Spot. I'm doing all of my trail riding on my Chamuco/Z150 (the SS is for hauling the kiddie trailer these days) and just bought a Specialized Roubaix for lunch time rides during the week.
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    So...

    Quote Originally Posted by Brown_Teeth
    Sounds OK for a 4" ride but (I 'm 210 lbs riding) I bought a Marin trail pro that lets me choose between 3 inch rising rate, 5" constant rate or 7" falling rate on a no tool on the trail adjustment fopr 200$. Shop around to get what you really want and not what some want you to buy and have fun!
    Do all of those travel settings really perform well? Expecting the same damper to perform well at a max travel setting equal to 2.33 times the min travel setting is a lot to ask. Also, it's hard to think of a falling rate as ever being a good thing. Must be optimized for the 5" setting, but still...
    Last edited by andy f; 02-15-2004 at 12:18 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    I had an Ellsworth Isis for 2 years, and the Pantera essentially is the bike that Sherwood wanted the Isis to be, only improved. I would recommend one in an instant -- Ventana build quality is incredible -- but only if you know that you like the geometry. If the bike will fit you (enough top tube length, enough seat tube length, chainstay length is suitable), the frame definitely is burly enough for a big guy. You can get heavier springs for the Romic coil shock.

    I have an X-5 and if I wasn't more DH- and FR-oriented in my trail riding, I'd have got a Pantera instead.

    Save the money, get the Pantera -- but only if the fit is good.
    It looks like it comes with a Fox Float RL air shock which maybe accounts for part of the lower price. Any thoughts on this shock? I like the idea of lockout which I use frequently on my Fox Vanilla fork.

    I'd be using it for riding 90 % in Southeast Michigan where the trails are roller-coasterish with lots of short ups and downs and roots and rocks but no monster hills. So I think I can easily live with with 4" rather than 5" especially considering I've never even had a dual suspension bike before too. I've always loved the looks and quality of the Ventana bikes and Ventana also has an excellent rep. as a company to deal with if need be.

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    Hey TL - I'm over in kalamazoo

    I've got a X5. If you want to check it out sometime and take it out, just let me know. Too much snow now, but just drop me a line.

    With the pro-pedal rears, don't worry as much about "too" much travel for us here. My x5 rides like it has 3 most of the time with just that extra reserve travel.

    The Pantera is an awesome ride also and at that 850 price is hard to pass up. Then if you don't like the standard float you could always upgrade to a pro-pedal or romic. Not sure what size shock it takes, but I'm considering selling my romic shock that fits the X5/Salty etc.

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    yeah, I did order a 5-Spot, then I changed my mind

    during the several months after my order -- while I was waiting for Turner to catch up on the orders for '04 5-Spots -- I noticed that the X-5 was available. I talked to Larry Mettler about his thoughts on the differences, and after considering the Quad Bearing option and the lateral stiffness, I decided to change my order.

    There are a few pics of it in the 5-Spot Color Pics thread, down near the bottom. It's Superdust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant
    I've got a X5. If you want to check it out sometime and take it out, just let me know. Too much snow now, but just drop me a line.

    With the pro-pedal rears, don't worry as much about "too" much travel for us here. My x5 rides like it has 3 most of the time with just that extra reserve travel.

    The Pantera is an awesome ride also and at that 850 price is hard to pass up. Then if you don't like the standard float you could always upgrade to a pro-pedal or romic. Not sure what size shock it takes, but I'm considering selling my romic shock that fits the X5/Salty etc.
    Thanks for the offer GG I jst may take you up on it! That was me that IM'd you a few weeks ago at the <a href="http://pacman.vosn.net/~mmba/bb/portal.php?sid=78eb54c510850fb8e2d7720805724ce0">M MBA board</a> about your X5 (Tom_L. there) . I'm thinking that the X5 frame is extremely nice but a Pantera for $850 would be a LOT easier to fit into my budget than around double that (or more) for an X5 and it would still be extremely twist-free in the rear which is very important to me if I'm going to get a dual susp. bike.

    Too much snow here too though I didn't even try riding this weekend. It might have been OK after the few mild thaws that we had this past week but I've been nursing a cold this weekend. I live right next to Pontiac Lake RA and it's usually pretty well packed down by snowmobiles. With the cold temperatures this year and the deep fluffy snow PLRA hasn't really packed down enough to ride.

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    My Bruja was Superdust

    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    during the several months after my order -- while I was waiting for Turner to catch up on the orders for '04 5-Spots -- I noticed that the X-5 was available. I talked to Larry Mettler about his thoughts on the differences, and after considering the Quad Bearing option and the lateral stiffness, I decided to change my order.

    There are a few pics of it in the 5-Spot Color Pics thread, down near the bottom. It's Superdust.
    Great color, especially in the sun. Ventana's powdercoat finish holds up really well too. My Chamuco's anodizing has already rubbed off around the cables but my Bruja's powdercoat never showed any signs of wear.
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    yes it is amazing in the sunlight

    I thought it was just a basic grey, which is why I picked it... subdued, low-key... then I saw it in the sunlight (which Missoula gets very LITTLE of in the winter) and just about died, it's so danged cool looking in the sun. now I don't feel like it's subdued, but it's still cool as all hell.

    after reading Scott Crabill's review of the Chamuco, I started thinking I should've got one of them instead of the X-5, but hell, I'm happier than a pig in fresh manure with the X-5.

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    Cambria Panteras

    Anyone order and receive one of these?

    I ordered one over a week ago and I am still waiting for a shipping confirmation. I called Cambria last Thursday and after some work they found my order and said it would be in the system that day abd I would get a email confirmation. I was going to call again but I just wondered if anyone else has picked up one of these.

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    I contacted Larry at Mountain High...

    ...last week to see what he could sell me one for, as I'd rather order from him. He's got an excellent reputation for service, he's a Ventana specialist, he's a small shop and you deal with the owner. Cambria's a very big shop that I've had some very marginal service from along with some good service. Larry gave me an great price on a Pantera frame w/ Chris King headset. It should be here sometime this week.


    Quote Originally Posted by Creaky63
    Anyone order and receive one of these?

    I ordered one over a week ago and I am still waiting for a shipping confirmation. I called Cambria last Thursday and after some work they found my order and said it would be in the system that day abd I would get a email confirmation. I was going to call again but I just wondered if anyone else has picked up one of these.

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    Pantera

    I bought a 21 Pantera from Cambria a few weeks ago. I expect delivery tomorrow. I hope the geometry works for me. This is my first full suspension. My last two bikes have been KHS soft tails. Im not an expert but I get the impression that my KHS is flexing excessively when I take hard corners. Im 62 and weigh 195lbs, so the Pantera was appealing. Just hope its the right size, well see? The price was so low I wanted to take a chance.

    Has anyone tried a stable platform shock on this frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogleg
    I bought a 21 Pantera from Cambria a few weeks ago. I expect delivery tomorrow. I hope the geometry works for me. This is my first full suspension. My last two bikes have been KHS soft tails. Im not an expert but I get the impression that my KHS is flexing excessively when I take hard corners. Im 62 and weigh 195lbs, so the Pantera was appealing. Just hope its the right size, well see? The price was so low I wanted to take a chance.

    Has anyone tried a stable platform shock on this frame?


    Anyone who's a hard trail rider or aggressive xc rider that pushed the corners would greatly benifit from the "Super-Link" that Ventana does stock on the Chamuco...you can buy it aftermarket sort to speak for your Pantera.

    It does a good job of elliminating any flexy side to side in the back wheel.

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