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    El Toro Build

    Hi.

    I've been riding/racing an El Salt for almost a year now, and I've started itching for a single speed. I'm looking at the El Toro from Competitive Cyclist (my El Salt came from them)and was wondering if any of you have an opinion of the components they install on the pre-packaged SS kit? Do you think it is a good build like it is or should I think about changing something(s)? Here is a link to how they build it:

    http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za...DER_WEIGHT=165

    Any replies will be greatly appreciated!

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    its an ok build i guess....personally, i would not go that route. i would call either larry mettler at mtnhighcyclery.com or chad at redbarnbicycles.com and have a better kit worked up. I dont like the wheelset on that build but then again, it is less than others. Most of the parts are ok though NONE of them would be ones i would pick, with the exception of the cog out back but to each their own. at least the frame is good!

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    I would have to agree with Fo on this one....

    Chad and Larry are the go to guys around here for Ventana's and builds. I haven't had much contact with Larry, but have heard great things. Chad has taken care of me for basically everything for me to this point. I think you will find out that you come out better in the end with these guys.

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    I'll jump on the Band wagon. Meh, build. And $2800?!?!? Give the "High" one or the Barn a call. I'm positive you'll get a better deal and better service.
    -Aaron G.

    "Before D.W., "anti-squat" was referred to as pedal feedback."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    I'll jump on the Band wagon. Meh, build. And $2800?!?!? Give the "High" one or the Barn a call. I'm positive you'll get a better deal and better service.
    are you calling Larry a pot head?

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    LOL! Not intending too, but I guess I did!
    -Aaron G.

    "Before D.W., "anti-squat" was referred to as pedal feedback."

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    It's only money.

    Why let some stranger decide the right parts for you ?
    Are you a sheep ?
    It's only money

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    Quote Originally Posted by fattfreddie
    Why let some stranger decide the right parts for you ?
    Are you a sheep ?
    It's only money
    yeah, don't let some stranger decide, let us decide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    yeah, don't let some stranger decide, let us decide!
    LOL yeah exactly !
    I made the mistake of buying a pre-built El Ciclon from a shop (that has hopefully gone out of business) which assured me that all the components were perfectly suited to the frame. It rode like a piece of ****. Find a good local shop who will work with you to build the perfect bike for your stature, riding style, and territory and you won't regret spending a little extra money. Every time I ride the bike that Myke from Velo City built up for me, I laugh because it works so damn well. You won't get that with some online parts mess. Just my opinion, no charge this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    yeah, don't let some stranger decide, let us decide!
    So make some specific changes to the build and maybe I will let you decide. I really do need your help now. While I was in the process of getting help from Larry and Chad with a better build, my wife surprised me and ordered the stock build from CC. It's not too late to make changes, but I don't really know what all to change. This is my first SS, and I admit that I am not very up to speed on the component quality. The only thing that I really knew I wanted to upgrade was the headset. I'm going with the Chris King. Other than that, I am all ears. Please help me build this bike into a sweet SS! Change the wheelset? To what? How about the crankset? Everything else? I want to change it from a "meh" build to a "that is a bad@$$" build. Again, anyone and everyone with specific changes/upgrades, please respond.

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    Ultimately, personal preference of course, but mine would be something like...

    * Fork = Fox
    * Wheels = Industry Nine laced to Stans rims
    * Brakes = Hope Mini or Formula Bianco
    * Cranks = Middleburn or White Industries as second choice, with Phil Wood BB
    * Headset = Cane Creek Solos
    * Cog = Endless or King is fine
    * Chain = KMC Z610HX
    * Bars, saddle, grip, pedals, = your preference
    * Stem = Hope

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    That is more along the lines of the help I was looking for. Thanks. Anybody else with input on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    Ultimately, personal preference of course, but mine would be something like...

    * Fork = Fox
    * Wheels = Industry Nine laced to Stans rims
    * Brakes = Hope Mini or Formula Bianco
    * Cranks = Middleburn or White Industries as second choice, with Phil Wood BB
    * Headset = Cane Creek Solos
    * Cog = Endless or King is fine
    * Chain = KMC Z610HX
    * Bars, saddle, grip, pedals, = your preference
    * Stem = Hope
    * Fork = Rock Shox Reba
    * Wheels = King laced to 819 rims
    * Brakes = Formula Oros (My K-24s work great)
    * Cranks = Middleburn with Phil Wood BB Square Taper!
    * Headset = King
    * Stem = Thomson X-4

    With all due respect to Fo (No really, I'm serious), with the above changes.

    D.

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    * Fork = Fox
    * Wheels = Chris King laced to Arch or 819 rims (Arch is ~75 grams lighter than 819)
    * Brakes = Formula K-18s or K-24s (K-18s are cheaper- essentially the same brakes)
    * Cranks = Middleburn with Phil Wood BB
    * Headset = Chris King
    * Stem = Thomson X-4

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Rock
    * Fork = Rock Shox Reba
    * Wheels = King laced to 819 rims
    * Brakes = Formula Oros (My K-24s work great)
    * Cranks = Middleburn with Phil Wood BB Square Taper!
    * Headset = King
    * Stem = Thomson X-4

    With all due respect to Fo (No really, I'm serious), with the above changes.

    D.
    all good choices....I personally am not a fan of King stuff at all, especially headsets, thus the choice of Solos headset (King headsets SUCK) and I9 wheels (laced to Arch or more manly Flow if needed). In fairness, I have only had a 29er Reba (2 of them actually) and they sucked, my fox (F29) is FAR bette thus I cant recommend a reba at all...but to each their own
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    Fo...you need to switch it to the new Cane Creek 110 headset. The one I have sitting in a box looks great!

    * Fork = Push'd Reba
    * Wheels = Kings on 4.2's.
    * Brakes = Hope Mini w/Goodridge Lines
    * Cranks = XTR's
    * Headset = Cane Creek 110
    * Cog = My Boone 18T w/matching spacers
    * Chain = SRAM Hollow Pin
    * Bars, saddle, grip, pedals, = your preference
    * Stem = Thomson

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSutton1223
    Fo...you need to switch it to the new Cane Creek 110 headset. The one I have sitting in a box looks great!

    * Fork = Push'd Reba
    * Wheels = Kings on 4.2's.
    * Brakes = Hope Mini w/Goodridge Lines
    * Cranks = XTR's
    * Headset = Cane Creek 110
    * Cog = My Boone 18T w/matching spacers
    * Chain = SRAM Hollow Pin
    * Bars, saddle, grip, pedals, = your preference
    * Stem = Thomson
    good point.....couldn't remember the new cc headset model number

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    good point.....couldn't remember the new cc headset model number
    It will get some use on the TM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RSutton1223
    It will get some use on the TM.

    though what is the big deal? the solos is a GREAT headset....and please dont say its lighter as being the reason

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    Ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    and please dont say its lighter as being the reason
    I'll say it, "It's lighter.". I don't care or know if it's lighter or not. I just wanted to p!ss you off.
    Old age and treachery will always win over youth and exuberance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauliemon
    I'll say it, "It's lighter.". I don't care or know if it's lighter or not. I just wanted to p!ss you off.
    you piss me off just for existing

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    though what is the big deal? the solos is a GREAT headset....and please dont say its lighter as being the reason
    Lighter is not the reason...but please to make me try to explain a whole bunch of tech crap I don't understand...Malcolm said so!

    Cane Creek Website on the 110

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    My 1st King HS I bought in '99 still works smooth as silk with no slop, creeks, etc. Oh, it's also still under warranty.

    D.

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    What?

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    yeah, don't let some stranger decide, let us decide!
    Who's stranger then the MTBR crew?
    I'm with the other strangers, if you're building an El Toro you can do better with the $1805 left over after the frame purchase.
    I'm test riding a freinds ET getting ready to buy it from him and it's so much nicer looking and riding than my 1fg I can't fn believe they are both made of aluminum..

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    Second or third the Reba. Lighter? ,but definately stiffer than any Fox I've tried (6' 230# for perspective)

    Brake, Hope Mini's - I've got BB5's on my Toro, I like em, but If I had the $$ I'd go Mini's.

    One Setup Tip, slightly shorter stem than you run on your trail bike and nice wide bar will help with powering up hills. I run a 110 stem with a 660mm bar on the trail bike, I run 100 stem and 680mm bar on the SS.

    At any rate, congrats on the new ride!
    -Aaron G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    Second or third the Reba. Lighter? ,but definately stiffer than any Fox I've tried (6' 230# for perspective)

    Brake, Hope Mini's - I've got BB5's on my Toro, I like em, but If I had the $$ I'd go Mini's.

    One Setup Tip, slightly shorter stem than you run on your trail bike and nice wide bar will help with powering up hills. I run a 110 stem with a 660mm bar on the trail bike, I run 100 stem and 680mm bar on the SS.

    At any rate, congrats on the new ride!
    boy, i wonder if there is some weird inverse releationship between Fox and Reba when going from 26er to 29er....on a 29er, Reba is a very lame noodle with the Fox way stiffer/superior. I would NEVER use a Reba again just because of that noticeable difference. That is a 2007 Reba (2 of them) compared to my 2008 Fox 29er fork

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    Well, I ended up going with a combination of your wisdom and my ignorance to build an El Toro like this:
    Frame: Ventana El Toro Metallic Blue 19
    Front Suspension Fork: Fox 32 F80 RLC 2008 Disc Specific
    Brake: Avid Juicy Carbon Hydraulic Disc 160mm Rear Rotor 160mm Front Rotor
    Cassettes: Endless Bike Kick-Ass Cog 17t
    Chains: SRAM PC-890 Chain
    Cranks: White Industries Eno Crankset 32t 175mm
    Grips: Ergon GX1 Grip
    Handlebars: Ritchey WCS OS Carbon Rizer Bar
    Headset: Chris King NoThreadset 1-1/8" Headset Red
    Saddles: Fizik Nisene HP Wingflex Ti Saddle - ICS Black
    Seatpost: Thomson Elite Setback Seatpost Silver 330mm 27.2mm
    Stems: Thomson X4 Stem Silver 120mm 100 Degree

    Thanks for the advice! I can't wait to ride this bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildead
    Well, I ended up going with a combination of your wisdom and my ignorance to build an El Toro like this:
    Frame: Ventana El Toro Metallic Blue 19
    Front Suspension Fork: Fox 32 F80 RLC 2008 Disc Specific
    Brake: Avid Juicy Carbon Hydraulic Disc 160mm Rear Rotor 160mm Front Rotor
    Cassettes: Endless Bike Kick-Ass Cog 17t
    Chains: SRAM PC-890 Chain
    Cranks: White Industries Eno Crankset 32t 175mm
    Grips: Ergon GX1 Grip
    Handlebars: Ritchey WCS OS Carbon Rizer Bar
    Headset: Chris King NoThreadset 1-1/8" Headset Red
    Saddles: Fizik Nisene HP Wingflex Ti Saddle - ICS Black
    Seatpost: Thomson Elite Setback Seatpost Silver 330mm 27.2mm
    Stems: Thomson X4 Stem Silver 120mm 100 Degree

    Thanks for the advice! I can't wait to ride this bike!
    nice! haha...probably more like YOUR wisdom and our ignorance.

    by the way, SWEET call on the blue with silver bits (+ misc. red stuff)! and what wheels did you go with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    what wheels did you go with?
    Industry Nine Single Speed wheelset w/ silver spokes/hubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    boy, i wonder if there is some weird inverse releationship between Fox and Reba when going from 26er to 29er....on a 29er, Reba is a very lame noodle with the Fox way stiffer/superior. I would NEVER use a Reba again just because of that noticeable difference. That is a 2007 Reba (2 of them) compared to my 2008 Fox 29er fork


    I'm kinda curious to know how much a 9mm thru axle conversion ( such as possible with my front Hadley ) would help stiffen the front using my current Reba 29er ! Plus now PUSH offers performance service for RS products that should make any Reba a more solid performer for tech xc anyway ! This was noted to me awhile back by a reliable source as a less costly option for those who already possess a Reba ! TIG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildead
    Industry Nine Single Speed wheelset w/ silver spokes/hubs
    damn fine call my friend! i have my third set of I9s and truly love them! company is great to deal with as is their product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    I'm kinda curious to know how much a 9mm thru axle conversion ( such as possible with my front Hadley ) would help stiffen the front using my current Reba 29er ! Plus now PUSH offers performance service for RS products that should make any Reba a more solid performer for tech xc anyway ! This was noted to me awhile back by a reliable source as a less costly option for those who already possess a Reba ! TIG.
    good question Tig.....perhaps El Beastro can chime in. I bought the bike from him but I think he ran the Reba originally and may have run it to the I9s I bought which ran the ratchet skewer. What I can tell you is that he said the Fox was WAY better in the stiffness dept. He is a pretty aggro rider and weight I think about 225 lbs so i took his word for it.

    PUSHing rebas is quite nice I am sure but it was never the performance that concerned me, just the stiffness which PUSH really wont address

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    good question Tig.....perhaps El Beastro can chime in. I bought the bike from him but I think he ran the Reba originally and may have run it to the I9s I bought which ran the ratchet skewer. What I can tell you is that he said the Fox was WAY better in the stiffness dept. He is a pretty aggro rider and weight I think about 225 lbs so i took his word for it.

    PUSHing rebas is quite nice I am sure but it was never the performance that concerned me, just the stiffness which PUSH really wont address


    LOL........I'm kinda thinkin ( from a former thread ) that Beastro would have personally liked to have thrown the Reba in the back of a garbage truck and watched it slowly get crushed with a shhit grin on his face yeah that's just the impression I got anyway ! TIG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGMAN
    LOL........I'm kinda thinkin ( from a former thread ) that Beastro would have personally liked to have thrown the Reba in the back of a garbage truck and watched it slowly get crushed with a shhit grin on his face yeah that's just the impression I got anyway ! TIG.
    pretty close to the impression he gave me too!

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    Cool!

    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    you piss me off just for existing
    My job here is done.
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