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    El Terremoto...rising rate?

    I'm just wondering: Is the El Terremoto suspension rising rate?
    or maybe it's falling rate?

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    Meduix

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    Quote Originally Posted by meduix
    I'm just wondering: Is the El Terremoto suspension rising rate?
    or maybe it's falling rate?

    thanks

    Meduix
    The Terremoto's rate is not as rising as the rest of the Ventana line. Here is what Darren said (long before my X-5 cracked and was replaced with the TM):
    The TM has a pretty flat rate when compared to other Ventana’s which gives it less mechanical bottoming control. Because of this the bike relies more on the spring and damper for bottoming control.

    Hope that helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero
    The Terremoto's rate is not as rising as the rest of the Ventana line. Here is what Darren said (long before my X-5 cracked and was replaced with the TM):
    The TM has a pretty flat rate when compared to other Ventana’s which gives it less mechanical bottoming control. Because of this the bike relies more on the spring and damper for bottoming control.

    Hope that helps!
    Ditto!

    and more info here (I know you already saw it meduix )
    El Ciclon - rising rate?

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    And a lot of information here:

    That covers running a RP3 and the TM suspension curve. Too bad it ended up in the joker forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero
    Too bad it ended up in the joker forum!
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero
    And a lot of information here:

    That covers running a RP3 and the TM suspension curve. Too bad it ended up in the joker forum!
    Bring the pain Homers!!

    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Bring the pain Homers!!


    oh no... not THE PAIN!

    PS: anyhow..I think CF likes Ventana

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    PS: anyhow..I think CF likes Ventana
    i'm pretty sure you don't want to tell people that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dHarriet
    i'm pretty sure you don't want to tell people that!
    touché

    you got me there dH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    you got me there dH!
    wouldn't be the first time....and it CERTAINLY won't be the last!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dHarriet
    wouldn't be the first time....and it CERTAINLY won't be the last!



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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    oh no... not THE PAIN!

    PS: anyhow..I think CF likes Ventana
    I am pretty sure he has moved on to Knolly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSutton1223
    I am pretty sure he has moved on to Knolly.
    Yeah, when I complimented his new build, save the SB8 tires, he got all uppity and in my face, calling me a hater and insinuating that I am a poseur...all followed by how he is taking the SB8s off to run Nevegals. Too funny, cuz that is what I had said in the comment on the build.
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    Well, I received the answer from Mr. Sherwood yesterday and as some of you said the TM is a rising rate bike in the first 2/3 of the shock stroke and a falling rate bike in the last 1/3...which yields a rising rate overall.

    I'm a bit worried about that I'd prefer a full rising rate design.
    Does anybody know how does the TM feels on jumps?

    The shock would be a CCDB

    Do you think it will have a good suspension perfomance?

    I come from a VPP design (ITS 6.6), I like the VPP it's plush and progressive...but the rear end is too flexy...that's the reason I'm looking for something stiffer, like the TM...

    bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by meduix

    I'm a bit worried about that I'd prefer a full rising rate design.
    I wouldn't worry.... it shouldn't be a problem with a shock with good bottom out control...

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    How does it feel on jumps with a CCDB? Bottomless! Talk about a match made in heaven. It feels like it has a lot more travel than it really does. I couldn't be any happier with the TM/CCDB setup. I really wish I could explain it better, but words don't really do the bike justice. You have to actually ride one with a CCDB on it. It's amazing. Get in touch with Malcolm at Cane Creek if you have any questions...he is the Double Barrel king.






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    Quote Originally Posted by RSutton1223

    I still see how much progress I have to make to ever jump like that

    I wanna be like Robb when I grow up!

    (Honestly! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    I still see how much progress I have to make to ever jump like that

    I wanna be like Robb when I grow up!

    (Honestly! )
    That is actually one of the smaller ones at Carter's. The qualifier is a nasty 5 footer and there are some nice doubles, ski jumps, hip jumps and rock gardens. My only wish is that it was a longer run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meduix
    I come from a VPP design (ITS 6.6), I like the VPP it's plush and progressive...but the rear end is too flexy...that's the reason I'm looking for something stiffer, like the TM...
    I am sure that the CCDB can be tuned to a T for any combination of riding factors, with bottom out control and platform being one of them.
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    I know that PUSH worked wonders for my DHX-C, and from what I have read, one can acheive similar results with the adjustablity of the CCDB without the aftermarket service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSutton1223
    That is actually one of the smaller ones at Carter's. The qualifier is a nasty 5 footer and there are some nice doubles, ski jumps, hip jumps and rock gardens. My only wish is that it was a longer run.

    Damn.... I'll keep practicing then!!!!!!

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    I already have the CCDB on my 6.6...I think it's a fantastic shock, but didn't know how it works on a TM...as I can see it works perfect...

    One of the reasons I'm thinking in a TM is the shock size (the same as my 6.6) so I can keep the CCDB that is almost new (1 month only), the other candidate is the Nicolai Helius FR which is the same shock size...

    The only things I don't like from the TM is the falling rate design at the last 1/3 of travel and the head angle, I'd like it a bit more slack...from 67.5º to 67º or maybe 66.5º...Sherwood told me it's possible to change that.

    The rest of the geo is almost perfect...it's low, long and slack enough so it must be very good on the downhills...

    bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by meduix
    I already have the CCDB on my 6.6...I think it's a fantastic shock, but didn't know how it works on a TM...as I can see it works perfect...

    One of the reasons I'm thinking in a TM is the shock size (the same as my 6.6) so I can keep the CCDB that is almost new (1 month only), the other candidate is the Nicolai Helius FR which is the same shock size...

    The only things I don't like from the TM is the falling rate design at the last 1/3 of travel and the head angle, I'd like it a bit more slack...from 67.5º to 67º or maybe 66.5º...Sherwood told me it's possible to change that.

    The rest of the geo is almost perfect...it's low, long and slack enough so it must be very good on the downhills...

    bye

    Dani
    Controlling bottom out on the Terremoto is a legitimate concern. I couldn't tune the stock DHX-c to my liking but am content with a Push-tuned DHX-c. Still, I can on occassion hit bottom on drops running a 600 pound spring with 175lb rider (with gear)
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    Quote Originally Posted by meduix
    The only things I don't like from the TM is the falling rate design at the last 1/3 of travel and the head angle, I'd like it a bit more slack...from 67.5º to 67º or maybe 66.5º...Sherwood told me it's possible to change that.
    If you ended up with a 170mm fork like you were alluding to, then the HA would be slacked about .5* depending on A2C.
    Do you have a fork that you are moving over, or are you picking up something new?

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    I weigh 194 lbs without gear...205lbs with gear (I suppose...) and I'm running a 550lbs spring on my Intense 6.6 with no bottoming issues.

    Do you mean that I will need a firmer spring if I move to the TM?

    bye

    Meduix

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    Quote Originally Posted by meduix
    I weigh 194 lbs without gear...205lbs with gear (I suppose...) and I'm running a 550lbs spring on my Intense 6.6 with no bottoming issues.

    Do you mean that I will need a firmer spring if I move to the TM?

    bye

    Meduix
    You may, or you may not. I can't say.

    I'd reckon that if you ran a DHX on the Terremoto you'd definitely need a heavier spring.

    I don't quite understand it, but folks seem to get away with much lighter springs on the CCDB.
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