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    El Ray RP23 setup

    I watched the video, I performed a search but I rally dont think I'm getting the small bump compliance I should be. Here are some details:
    • the bike only has about 35 miles on it off road.
    • I weigh 195# nekked
    • Using a Reba up front
    • I have the rebound set to the fastest setting
    • Air pressure was 125# on 1st ride then dropped to 110 on the second with minimal change
    • Maybe I expect a lot after riding a Dos niner for 2 years
    • Maybe the Dos Niner did more good than I expected


    Any thoughts?

    I also wonder if I did not get more bike than I needed. I run 190# during the racing season and could have potentially taken the El Patron but was worried about durability. Cheeses Crepes the El Ray is a LOT heavier than the Dos was. Kinda wigged out by it. My fork seems under spec'd now but going to a stouter fork just perpetuates the weight issue. But she is orange and I love her!

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    I run 110lb-ish and I easily weigh a good 10lbs more than you. How much sag are you running? Also, do you have the big air can or one of the smaller ones on your RP23? Mine came with the small air can and I had an extremely hard time dialing it in. Switched to a large can and....

    I typicall run my shock on the soft side and switch over to the pro-pedal when I need to climb.

    Last thing, at your weight, definately ditch the Reba and pick up a WB Fluid 110 TA. They are damn good. Its almost like buying a new bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crockpot2001
    I watched the video, I performed a search but I rally dont think I'm getting the small bump compliance I should be. Here are some details:
    • the bike only has about 35 miles on it off road.
    • I weigh 195# nekked
    • Using a Reba up front
    • I have the rebound set to the fastest setting
    • Air pressure was 125# on 1st ride then dropped to 110 on the second with minimal change
    • Maybe I expect a lot after riding a Dos niner for 2 years
    • Maybe the Dos Niner did more good than I expected


    Any thoughts?

    I also wonder if I did not get more bike than I needed. I run 190# during the racing season and could have potentially taken the El Patron but was worried about durability. Cheeses Crepes the El Ray is a LOT heavier than the Dos was. Kinda wigged out by it. My fork seems under spec'd now but going to a stouter fork just perpetuates the weight issue. But she is orange and I love her!

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    how much sag (in percentage of rear shock stroke) are you running? also, have you tried slowing down the rebound? you might try at least half if not a little slower on the rebound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk
    I run 110lb-ish and I easily weigh a good 10lbs more than you. How much sag are you running? Also, do you have the big air can or one of the smaller ones on your RP23? Mine came with the small air can and I had an extremely hard time dialing it in. Switched to a large can and....

    I typicall run my shock on the soft side and switch over to the pro-pedal when I need to climb.

    Last thing, at your weight, definately ditch the Reba and pick up a WB Fluid 110 TA. They are damn good. Its almost like buying a new bike.

    It says "high volume" on the body of the shock. I assume that's the big can i keep hearing about. I just got the bike last week. Quite frankly, shock tech is new to me. I am running about 0.5" - 0.6" of sag but this measurement I did myself using the O-ring and gently applying my arse to the bike. This resulted in choosing 125# which ended up feeing rather stiff. 110 felt a bit better. Maybe the bike and shock need more trail luvin' time

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    I have both

    Quote Originally Posted by Crockpot2001
    I watched the video, I performed a search but I rally dont think I'm getting the small bump compliance I should be. Here are some details:
    • the bike only has about 35 miles on it off road.
    • I weigh 195# nekked
    • Using a Reba up front
    • I have the rebound set to the fastest setting
    • Air pressure was 125# on 1st ride then dropped to 110 on the second with minimal change
    • Maybe I expect a lot after riding a Dos niner for 2 years
    • Maybe the Dos Niner did more good than I expected


    Any thoughts?

    I also wonder if I did not get more bike than I needed. I run 190# during the racing season and could have potentially taken the El Patron but was worried about durability. Cheeses Crepes the El Ray is a LOT heavier than the Dos was. Kinda wigged out by it. My fork seems under spec'd now but going to a stouter fork just perpetuates the weight issue. But she is orange and I love her!
    I have a Dos and an El Rey, and I've raced both of them. They both climb well. The El Rey descends better [no suprise]. I use the the Dos for endurance races on smoother courses, or ones biased to climbing. Just started using the El Rey in the fall [Whiskeytown 9 to 5] when I finally got it set-up to my liking. It was wonderful up and downhill out there. I'm running a High volume cannister RP23 @ 150psi, in Pro-Pedal #2 [I weigh @ 160lbs] and the bike is solid in or out of the saddle climbing - no bobbing, yet still absorbs bumps well. Hope that gives you something to work from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crockpot2001
    Any thoughts?
    Remove RP23

    Send to Psh to get revalved.

    Reinstall

    Enjoy.

    The RP23 is a very harsh riding shock (at least mine was). Ventana suspension is very plush with a decent damper.

    Short of a retune, be sure you sag 30% with your gear on this is about 15mm. Be sure you have the propedal turned to the off position.
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    keep playing with air psi...

    front and rear.an out of tune fork plays havoc with rear suspension setup.i have a RP23 high volume and a reba race on my el rey.i weigh 230 geared up.i've got the rear at 148psi and the reba at 150 pos/ 140 neg. both rebounds are at 3 clicks from full fast.everybody will have a different setting,even on the same trail.so mine are just for me sag in the rear is about 30%.my initial thought were that it was to firm when pushing down on the bike.on the trail,it's a whole different story.the ride is what it's about.i get full travel and the propedal works great on the flats.take the shock pump with you and go ride.adjust often and find what works! once you find the "sweet" spot,the bike is incredible.just make sure and write them down some place safe.
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    The Dos and El Rey, or any Vetana for that matter, have not business in the same sentence. The Dos is the only bike i have owned, 26er or otherwise, that i actually thought seriously sucked azz. It felt nothing like any other 29er I have ridden and frankly did nothing well and I unloaded it quickly. Seemed completely pointless over a good 29er hardtail but I digress....

    If you love her than dont worry about it. For optimal performance, though it still wont be lighter if that is bothering you, get the PUSH treatment.

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    Loose in the caboose!

    The bike is really starting to become more vertically compliant. I was nervous in the beginning as it seamed no more plush than my Dos Niner. I rode the pee-waddin' out of it Thursday night on rocky terrain and was VERY happy. I rode it again on Friday night and was extatic. With the burgeoning compliance I may start adding more air to the RP23. I've been riding at 110 but that now has a lot of sag (1"). I'm looking forward to riding it with more air for a slight nudge in the geometry.

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    Congrats!

    Congratulations! Sounds like you're getting a feel for your El Rey - it took quite awhile for me to finally get mine to preform the way I wanted. As you spend some time with it, refer to "Big Drunk's" posts - his findings reflect most of what I've found works on getting the most from the El Rey's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jms
    Congratulations! Sounds like you're getting a feel for your El Rey - it took quite awhile for me to finally get mine to preform the way I wanted. As you spend some time with it, refer to "Big Drunk's" posts - his findings reflect most of what I've found works on getting the most from the El Rey's.

    Damn-Skippy! I got some good advise here. Love the bike and will be sure to spread the gospel at the shop I work for.

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