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    El Patron Question...

    Guys...I have a El Patron 29'er in which I keep pinching the fr. derailleur cable housing which runs down the backside of my seat tube by the rear triangle under full suspension compression. Is this common? I have pinched this cable housing several times...having to replace more than I would like to. Love the bike and would not switch to anything else although this is frustrating.
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    could you show a closer shot?

    I'd think that you have a piece of housing that is too long there

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    Cabling...to long? I don't think so. Here are some pic's close up. I just don't think there is room between the seat tube and rear seat stay bracket.
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    I see....have you tried crossing the cables so that the FD cable comes on the left of the seattube?


    EDIT: although it does look like changing it wouldn't save that spot in the housing....

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    Um that is very odd...seems that you are getting more travel than designed out of the shock? I assume it is the right size/stroke/rockers - have you played with different combinations on this bike?
    And really, pinched is pinched, no matter how close you run it to the ST, it is ending up flattened against (by) it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero
    Um that is very odd...seems that you are getting more travel than designed out of the shock? I assume it is the right size/stroke/rockers - have you played with different combinations on this bike?
    And really, pinched is pinched, no matter how close you run it to the ST, it is ending up flattened against (by) it.


    yeah..it seems the yoke is coming way too close to the ST.....

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    I have tried all But as you can see, the cable stop would still force the cabling down the backside of the seat tube...with the same pinching results.

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    As far as the shock...it is what was provided when i bought the frame from Ventana.

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    It is fairly obvious the only thing stopping that SS yolk from slamming into your ST is the cable.

    At this point, I would consider measuring the shock/stroke and contacting ventana.


    BTW, you should get a squishier cable to use as a bottom out protector. I think the Jagwires are too stiff, teh XTRs are nice.

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    could you let all the air out on the shock and take a pic of the yoke and measure how much travel you are getting on the shock at that point?

    I am thinking that you might have more stroke travel than you should and the cable and housing are actually helping stop the yoke from hitting the ST (or coming close to it, since I'm not sure if it could stop it completely)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero
    It is fairly obvious the only thing stopping that SS yolk from slamming into your ST is the cable.

    At this point, I would consider measuring the shock/stroke and contacting ventana.


    BTW, you should get a squishier cable to use as a bottom out protector. I think the Jagwires are too stiff, teh XTRs are nice.

    darn...you beat me posting by a couple of seconds.... great minds think alike


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    lol, that is too funny!

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    I had the same thing when I swapped rockers on my Salty. You need to lengthen the piece of housing.

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    Could you elaborate? Not picturing what you mean.
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    The piece of housing that is being pinched need to be replaced with a piece that is longer. When the suspension compresses the housing shifts over and gets pinched between the ST & rocker. By lengthening this piece, the loop formed stays out of the way.

    The is the best pic I have on my work PC.




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    Just dremel out a small groove from the seatstay yoke.





    With Sherwood's approval of course. Can't imagine it would hurt the strength of the thing any.
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    Thanks guys. Sherwood gave me a call and we have a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tilt
    Thanks guys. Sherwood gave me a call and we have a solution.
    now that is service

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    Care to share tilt? Inquiring minds want to know!

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