OK, after a full week of riding my new El Ciclon, it has surpassed my expectations! This is my first Ventana, I came off 5 years on a Horst Link Turner 5 Spot. The frame is stiff, flex free, fast, has oodles of mud clearance (important in the Hawaiian goo). And best of all, it fits my odd sized body. Thanx to Sherwood, Teresa, and everybody over at Ventana. Im a believer now!