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    Yes, it would. but not cool for my bank account.

    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    Apparently Trek challenged the spilt pivot pattent and won... http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/sho...ht=split+pivot


    anyhow... it would be cool to get SP on Ventanas...

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    So what I have heard Devinci, Morewood, Moondraker (German brand), Spooky and Seven are using the Split Pivot. To me I think Ventana is going through a small evolution like tapered headtubes. but that being said, I agree, a SP Ventana would be sweet.

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    All this Split Pivot talk is funny, we've had this discussion before. And I agree, it would be VERY interesting to see it done. BUT, and it's the same BUT from the last time. SP are difficult to make as stiff laterally as the current design given the confined space to work with. And we all know that Sherwood won't comprimise on the principles that Ventana's are built on. And Lateral stiffness is a biggie to him.
    -Aaron G.

    "Before D.W., "anti-squat" was referred to as pedal feedback."

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    I have a list of tweaks I'd like to see on an updated V. Funny, SP isn't among them.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    When is Ventana rolling out their 2011 frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life
    When is Ventana rolling out their 2011 frames?
    Asked and answered fanboi...

    1-3-2011....




















    -Aaron G.

    "Before D.W., "anti-squat" was referred to as pedal feedback."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    Asked and answered fanboi...

    1-3-2011....
    So what can we expect from Ventana in 2011?

    It's strange how this thread got really cold after the hard question was asked.......anyone dare.......chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp





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    Well, it is rather poignant to think about, especially if you own a Ciclon. But given the fact that my current Ventana is about about as much of Ciclon as it is a Bruha or Cuervo...

    I foresee new product from Ventana. Which is great. The drama you guys are building here has my salivating and day dreaming of "what may come".

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    One piece rockers?

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    Hopefully the low prices foreshadow good news (new product), not bad news (a Titus-esque announcement).
    whatever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steadite
    Hopefully the low prices foreshadow good news (new product), not bad news (a Titus-esque announcement).
    what he said
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    it would be cool if Ventana came out with some rockers that had better tire clearance. Or even just a new chainstay yoke assembly (or whatever it is called)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun
    it would be cool if Ventana came out with some rockers that had better tire clearance. Or even just a new chainstay yoke assembly (or whatever it is called)
    +1

    30.9 seatpost
    ISCG tabs/pivot bolt config that aren't incompatable
    More rear tire clearance.

    Oh, but keep the great ride quality, stiffness, beautiful craftsmanship/fit/finish, paint...those things that define the V.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero
    +1

    30.9 seatpost
    ISCG tabs/pivot bolt config that aren't incompatable
    More rear tire clearance.

    Oh, but keep the great ride quality, stiffness, beautiful craftsmanship/fit/finish, paint...those things that define the V.

    +1
    Creative looking rockers
    Pivot system like Turners - IMHO the bearing design is dated or should I say passe'
    Do away with Red and Blue colors.
    No carbon fiber frames, never. That's wasted NRE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life
    +1
    Creative looking rockers
    Pivot system like Turners - IMHO the bearing design is dated or should I say passe'
    Do away with Red and Blue colors.
    No carbon fiber frames, never. That's wasted NRE.
    I don't think we have to worry about SG dabbling in Carbon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero
    I don't think we have to worry about SG dabbling in Carbon!
    Unless Sherwood can build the carbon molds and do the layup himself, I just can't see that happening.

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    LOL! You all are funny. And don't know the Ventana History.

    Sherwood HAS made his own Molds, and HAS produced Carbon products. Namely a carbon Road fork back in the EARLY 90's. Been there, done that. And rest most assured not going back there. **** Warning, Personal Opinion coming up**** In the market that Ventana deals in, Carbon is for people willing to pay top boutique dollars for Taiwanese made products.
    -Aaron G.

    "Before D.W., "anti-squat" was referred to as pedal feedback."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    LOL! You all are funny. And don't know the Ventana History.

    Sherwood HAS made his own Molds, and HAS produced Carbon products. Namely a carbon Road fork back in the EARLY 90's. Been there, done that. And rest most assured not going back there. **** Warning, Personal Opinion coming up**** In the market that Ventana deals in, Carbon is for people willing to pay top boutique dollars for Taiwanese made products.
    Yeah, that fork was cool looking very Kestrel like but a fork is not a frame. Anyway, carbon frames are silly......one crash can trash a $3K frame. I would like to see a new pivot system and swoopy rockers.

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    No-one has a clue what's coming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by langen
    No-one has a clue what's coming?
    Who said no-one? Just ain't telling on the interweb...



    At least, Not until I have clearance from HQ!
    Muhahahahahahaha!!!!!

    Refinements for sure.
    -Aaron G.

    "Before D.W., "anti-squat" was referred to as pedal feedback."

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgerat
    DW was awarded the Split Pivot patent, Trek was awarded the ABP patent, they are similar but different enough.

    edgerat, you were right

    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...s-patent-28501

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    Quote Originally Posted by langen
    No-one has a clue what's coming?

    new look, tube shapes
    breezy shade

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge
    new look, tube shapes
    And other things too. I wish I could say, but I it's not my place.
    Ripping trails and tipping ales

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    LOL! You all are funny. And don't know the Ventana History.

    Sherwood HAS made his own Molds, and HAS produced Carbon products. Namely a carbon Road fork back in the EARLY 90's. Been there, done that. And rest most assured not going back there. **** Warning, Personal Opinion coming up**** In the market that Ventana deals in, Carbon is for people willing to pay top boutique dollars for Taiwanese made products.
    Thanks for validating my point, CG. I didn't say he hasn't or wouldn't do it. Just that he wouldn't do it unless he did it his way. I'm not at all surprised that he's gone down that road already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciclistagonzo
    Who said no-one? Just ain't telling on the interweb...



    At least, Not until I have clearance from HQ!
    Muhahahahahahaha!!!!!

    Refinements for sure.
    Then get clearance from HQ's........you have a new job the Marketing arm of Ventana USA. I will place my order on the 3rd if it takes that to find out.....Muhahahahahahaha. Or you can e-mail me. BTW, doing SamFalls tomorrow morning, interested?

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